Photo Theft and Copyright Infringement

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SET Man

Photo Theft and Copyright Infringement
« on: 3 May 2014, 04:41 am »
Hey!

   As someone who like arts and especially photography I want to bring up and talk about this important subject here a bit.

    In today's digital world it is easy to share photos with your friends, family and the world. And I feel that is a good thing. But at the same time it is very easy to steal photos. Basically any photo posted on any browsers can be stolen.

    Here is a good example...

http://petapixel.com/2013/08/21/stolen-photo-becomes-samsung-live-in-the-moment-contest-winner/

     Amazing of how ballsy the guy it, stealing other photographer's photo and entered it into a contest!

    Anyway, there is one person who actually exposing some of these thieves...

http://petapixel.com/?s=Photo+stealer

    Funny that some one actually stole photos from her site. There are a few articles there about Photo Stealer and link to Photo Stealer site. I applause her for doing this.

    Although, you can say that you can be flatter that your photos are good enough for other people to steal. But as I mentioned before, as an art lover and especially photography. I do post many of my photo on flickr to share my love of photography to my friends, family and the world. And sometime I see my photos linked to tumblr and reddit of which I have no problem of since they do not modify my photos and show credit and link back to my flickr page. But I would hate and pissed off if I see someone actually using my photo without permission.

    Sad to know that they are a-hole people out there stealing other people's works and since it is after all a "Wold Wide Web" but more like "World Wild Web" when is come to photo stealing. It is hard or near impossible to keep track or trace.

Take care,
Buddy :thumb:

PS

  I like Petapixel.com site. I like the fact that it doesn't get heavily hung up on gears and equipments like some other sites. But they also they do talk about other photography related stories and etc.

   

   

charmerci

Re: Photo Theft and Copyright Infringement
« Reply #1 on: 3 May 2014, 06:08 am »
This is why I generally post my good photos but rarely do I post my best photos.

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Re: Photo Theft and Copyright Infringement
« Reply #2 on: 3 May 2014, 12:31 pm »
Isn't there software out there where you can embed a digital signature or copyright?

Photon46

Re: Photo Theft and Copyright Infringement
« Reply #3 on: 3 May 2014, 01:27 pm »
There's a pervasive disrespect for the rights of artists of all kinds, not just photographers. I'm not trying to start an argument about downloading, but there IS a large segment of the population who feel that any artistic creation on the web should be theirs for the taking. Movies, music, images, it doesn't matter. I am a photographer by profession working primarily in the field of Fine Arts and it is a constant struggle to get a certain segment of my client base to understand that copyrights are to be respected and credit given when using images I've created. Museums and book/magazine publishers get the concept and never give any problems, but private galleries  are a constant hassle. I've actually had archivists and publicists for for some of the most prestigious galleries in N.Y. and London act surprised when I insist on being given credit when they're using images I've taken. I'll look at their websites six months later and credits will have vanished. There's only so much you can do though. I always embed credit and copyright info in the metadata, but that only goes so far.

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Re: Photo Theft and Copyright Infringement
« Reply #4 on: 3 May 2014, 04:01 pm »
I am not talking about embedding credit and copyright into metadata that someone can simply delete, but rather something much more sophisticated that can't be easily be fooled with. I am not sure it matters because if you can prove ownership, you in theory are eligible for compensation.

You'll likely need a lawyer to get anywhere, but that's business. When you send letters or sue for damages you try to recover attorney's fees too.  It's not fair but what else can one do?


SET Man

Re: Photo Theft and Copyright Infringement
« Reply #5 on: 7 May 2014, 07:02 pm »
There's a pervasive disrespect for the rights of artists of all kinds, not just photographers. I'm not trying to start an argument about downloading, but there IS a large segment of the population who feel that any artistic creation on the web should be theirs for the taking. Movies, music, images, it doesn't matter. I am a photographer by profession working primarily in the field of Fine Arts and it is a constant struggle to get a certain segment of my client base to understand that copyrights are to be respected and credit given when using images I've created. Museums and book/magazine publishers get the concept and never give any problems, but private galleries  are a constant hassle. I've actually had archivists and publicists for for some of the most prestigious galleries in N.Y. and London act surprised when I insist on being given credit when they're using images I've taken. I'll look at their websites six months later and credits will have vanished. There's only so much you can do though. I always embed credit and copyright info in the metadata, but that only goes so far.

Hey!

    Photon, I'm surprised that those galleries wouldn't give you credit for your works since that is the right thing to do.

   Yes, sad but true that there are people out there that feel anything and everything on the web are free for them to grab and have no respect what soever for others' "intellectual property"

   I feel that this is a big issue but it will be hard to address in global scale and reinforce. I too embedded credit and copyright within my photos, but like you said... that only goes so far.  :roll:

Take care,
Buddy  :thumb:

   

   

Brad

Re: Photo Theft and Copyright Infringement
« Reply #6 on: 7 May 2014, 07:19 pm »
I agree with you guys on preserving the rights of the artists.   Good points, Photon46

I guess some feel that once it's digital and thus easy to copy, then it's a free for all.
Look at the guys offering "free music ripping" here at AC.   :roll:
As a community, we are pretty much actively promoting this.
Then there are the guys who sell off their music collections once they have everything ripped to computer.

Sorry to take it off-topic from photography, but I think the same thought process should apply.

Early B.

Re: Photo Theft and Copyright Infringement
« Reply #7 on: 7 May 2014, 07:58 pm »
It's not really a law if there's no enforcement, particularly when it has become socially acceptable to "steal" images. Can you imagine what facebook would be like if contained no stolen images? 
Bottom line -- if you post a pic on the web, it essentially can become anyone's choice to use as they please. 

Photon46

Re: Photo Theft and Copyright Infringement
« Reply #8 on: 7 May 2014, 09:21 pm »
Buddy, the kind of photography I do is in a unique niche. I'm not the photographer the gallery is selling, I'm the photographer taking images of the art that the gallery is selling. I work for a publisher of prints and sculpture editions and make all the images for the marketing, books, magazines and catalogs.  You know the type of work I'm talking about, like all those coffee table art books you see in book stores.

Some galleries just have this weird sense of entitlement that makes them think the rest of us working lower down the food chain in the art world exist to sustain them in their commercial pinnacles. Like I said, museums and publishers are never a problem, they respect the rights and work of writers and photographers.
« Last Edit: 8 May 2014, 11:53 am by Photon46 »

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Re: Photo Theft and Copyright Infringement
« Reply #9 on: 7 May 2014, 10:47 pm »
My take (as a person with no interest in taking photos.)
I have over 5,000 images taken from the web using the pics on Google and yahoo. I run them as a slideshow all the time. Art, Nature, etc.. I like it. And as far as i am concerned one interesting nice one is a good as any other.. A few have tags, a name or something on them.

As for photography in general I do not perceive it as an art. like painting. It is more like a craft, like making furniture.
Some (few) pictures do have a fantastic artistic beauty, and approximate art. and I would say they are 'art'. And they are about a thousandth of the proportion of like dabbler painters to great painters
But the vast majority of photos are average boring snapshots. 99.99% boring.
The problem is many photographers think they are 'artists', when in fact they are tinkerers, and not very good ones either. So thier egos are blown up way out of proportion to the actual content they produce.
So when photographers think their work is being stolen... Well I agree they should be thrilled anyone though it had any merit.

This does not apply to theft to use for profit. which I agreee is a criminal act.

So feel free to hate me but this is what i feel. And i produce this not  to insult anyone, but to further the discussion. As an 'outsider' with my perspective on the topic.

Photon46

Re: Photo Theft and Copyright Infringement
« Reply #10 on: 8 May 2014, 12:17 am »
Well Elizabeth, there's a lot of truth in your perspective. "99.99% of photographs are boring" might be a charitable take on the actual ratio! :lol: Art, like beauty, is a matter of personal and cultural perspective. A large part of what can make traditional photography an art IMO is entirely outside the realm of photographic mechanics. Intuition and sensitivity to the subject, in concert with facility in the technical aspects of photography, allow for those photographs that transcend banality. A well known example of that sort of aesthetic is Steve McCurry's work: http://stevemccurry.com/galleries . As someone who has a degree in "traditional" ways of making art (painting, drawing, printmaking, etc.) but makes their living with a camera, I think that the perspective you express comes in part from the fact that today, everyone can buy a decent camera for little money and make images with a reasonable degree of competence in very short order if they have even a little bit a visual good sense. However, no such easy route exists for competence in painting, drawing, and "tradtional" art media. Thing is, 99.99% of paintings, drawings, sculpture, and prints are boring, derivative, and easily forgotten as well. Now admittedly, dumb luck can bestow an average photographer with a transcendent photograph (once or twice in a life time) whereas dumb luck is never going to give a painter a great painting. But a true artist with the camera brings home the bacon over and over, that's the difference. We live in a world so saturated with photographs both banal and wonderful, we've all become jaded by the technology. Twenty years ago, before digital made "average" so competent, perceptions were different I think.

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Re: Photo Theft and Copyright Infringement
« Reply #11 on: 8 May 2014, 01:52 am »
I hope I'm not too far off topic, but I also get upset when people visiting galleries, museums, or other places take photos where they are forbidden.  It's incredibly disrespectful, and if I have any doubt I always ask.

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Re: Photo Theft and Copyright Infringement
« Reply #12 on: 8 May 2014, 02:23 am »
.......But a true artist with the camera brings home the bacon over and over, that's the difference. We live in a world so saturated with photographs both banal and wonderful, we've all become jaded by the technology. Twenty years ago, before digital made "average" so competent, perceptions were different I think.

That nails it perfectly!

And while dumb luck plays a part, most good shooters make their own "luck" by putting themselves in a situation where "luck" is more likely to happen.

SET Man

Re: Photo Theft and Copyright Infringement
« Reply #13 on: 8 May 2014, 02:38 am »
My take (as a person with no interest in taking photos.)
I have over 5,000 images taken from the web using the pics on Google and yahoo. I run them as a slideshow all the time. Art, Nature, etc.. I like it. And as far as i am concerned one interesting nice one is a good as any other.. A few have tags, a name or something on them.

As for photography in general I do not perceive it as an art. like painting. It is more like a craft, like making furniture.
Some (few) pictures do have a fantastic artistic beauty, and approximate art. and I would say they are 'art'. And they are about a thousandth of the proportion of like dabbler painters to great painters
But the vast majority of photos are average boring snapshots. 99.99% boring.
The problem is many photographers think they are 'artists', when in fact they are tinkerers, and not very good ones either. So thier egos are blown up way out of proportion to the actual content they produce.
So when photographers think their work is being stolen... Well I agree they should be thrilled anyone though it had any merit.

This does not apply to theft to use for profit. which I agreee is a criminal act.

So feel free to hate me but this is what i feel. And i produce this not  to insult anyone, but to further the discussion. As an 'outsider' with my perspective on the topic.

Hey!

   Since we are in audio forum, I would assumed that the so called musics and "musicians" who made musics that you love, cherished and listen to also are just "tinkerers" and not artists?

   Well, at least we both agreed that "... theft to use for profit." is a criminal act. Downloading photos for your personal enjoyment is no big deal, it is pretty like cutting magazines pages and post them on your own wall at home.

Well Elizabeth, there's a lot of truth in your perspective. "99.99% of photographs are boring" might be a charitable take on the actual ratio! :lol: Art, like beauty, is a matter of personal and cultural perspective. A large part of what can make traditional photography an art IMO is entirely outside the realm of photographic mechanics. Intuition and sensitivity to the subject, in concert with facility in the technical aspects of photography, allow for those photographs that transcend banality. A well known example of that sort of aesthetic is Steve McCurry's work: http://stevemccurry.com/galleries . As someone who has a degree in "traditional" ways of making art (painting, drawing, printmaking, etc.) but makes their living with a camera, I think that the perspective you express comes in part from the fact that today, everyone can buy a decent camera for little money and make images with a reasonable degree of competence in very short order if they have even a little bit a visual good sense. However, no such easy route exists for competence in painting, drawing, and "tradtional" art media. Thing is, 99.99% of paintings, drawings, sculpture, and prints are boring, derivative, and easily forgotten as well. Now admittedly, dumb luck can bestow an average photographer with a transcendent photograph (once or twice in a life time) whereas dumb luck is never going to give a painter a great painting. But a true artist with the camera brings home the bacon over and over, that's the difference. We live in a world so saturated with photographs both banal and wonderful, we've all become jaded by the technology. Twenty years ago, before digital made "average" so competent, perceptions were different I think.

   Photon46, that's perfectly well put. Thanks

Take care,
Buddy :thumb:


SET Man

Re: Photo Theft and Copyright Infringement
« Reply #14 on: 8 May 2014, 02:47 am »
I hope I'm not too far off topic, but I also get upset when people visiting galleries, museums, or other places take photos where they are forbidden.  It's incredibly disrespectful, and if I have any doubt I always ask.

Hey!

 And I have to agreed with you on this one. They just don't want to anyone to reproduce or use the photos for profit and etc.

   It is hard to stop people to do these days with smart phones. But I think I can forgive them if they are only going to use them as personal scrapbook.

    I go to museums often, do you know how many times I want to take pictures of exhibitions with "No Photography Allowed?" My hand and shutter finger get all itchy every time!  :lol:

Take care,
Buddy :thumb:

Photon46

Re: Photo Theft and Copyright Infringement
« Reply #15 on: 8 May 2014, 12:02 pm »

And while dumb luck plays a part, most good shooters make their own "luck" by putting themselves in a situation where "luck" is more likely to happen.

You're so right. When I was younger and spending lots of time doing landscape photography, I'd often find subjects in the Southwest canyon country that had potential but weren't quite right from the lighting standpoint. I'd make notes about latitude/longitude and then research solar tables when I got home to determine the best time for the sun to illuminate the scene for a future try. I've gone back to some places for ten years before finally getting light and atmosphere like I visualized for a photo.