Help on soon For Sale JBL speakers

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soundaround

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Help on soon For Sale JBL speakers
« on: 29 Dec 2013, 10:48 pm »
These JBL pairs (in first picture L65 left top, L200B below L65 and L200 Tall Speaker - plus a pair of L100s not shown) are on the block as soon as I can discern a reasonable value.  All cabinets and original grills in A- condition, no evidence of reconing showing and a little contact cleaner needed on hi and lo frequency controls).  Anyone with an audio gear Blue Book willing to help?  PMs and offers also welcome.  Look forward to being a part of this group going forward and all speakers have been in my family - no other owners). 





paul79

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Re: Help on soon For Sale JBL speakers
« Reply #1 on: 29 Dec 2013, 10:54 pm »
I can help with a couple... The L220's are around $1500-$2K in good shape. The L65 Jubal's are $800-$1000 in good shape. That is one nice pile O JBL's there man. I have a seriously upgraded set of the L220's (rebuilt crossovers with high end stuff) and it took $13K speakers to match them. I think highly of them for sure. They are physically time aligned and can pop life size images if the rest of the system allows.

 Where are you located?

These are retail prices IME, so if you have room, you will move them quicker at discounted rates for sure.

soundaround

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Re: Help on soon For Sale JBL speakers
« Reply #2 on: 30 Dec 2013, 12:04 am »
Well that's helpful on a lot of angles - first, I was actually thinking of renovating the 220s so any specific advice on exactly how to upgrade them (and amount-o-cash required) may solve a problem for me that I thought only a pair of Paradigm S8s would do.  If I can get those things singing, I would be eternally grateful.  FYI, driving them currently with Adcom GFA-555 but am moving toward some Parasound gear to upgrade whole system (thus the selling frenzy)

Secondly, would you have an opinion on pricing the L100s (if they are also in good shape, which they are)??

Thirdly, I can be more specific privately but we are in the Atlanta GA area for a general reference. 

May I ask which $13k speakers you used to surpass the renovated/upgraded 220's - and what the front end to the system is - it would help me in the overall consideration I am making with what to do

THANK YOU!!

paul79

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Re: Help on soon For Sale JBL speakers
« Reply #3 on: 30 Dec 2013, 12:25 am »
L-100's in great shape, I'd say around $500 tops.

As to the upgrades to the 220's... I used Mundorf silver oil paralleled with Jupiter HT cross bread, so to speak, to the tweeters. 1uf each, adding up to 2uf for the tweeter circuit.

I used Jupiter Vintage Flat caps to the mids. 3 total. Parallel 8uf's for the 16.5uf, and another 8uf single at the end of the mid circuit. These are in the signal path directly.

I left all the other shunt caps alone, except for the electrolytic caps in the woofer circuit. I put a Sonicap Gen 1 here... Adding all these caps made things much more clear and coherent.

For the big 2.5mH choke to the woofer, I used a 12ga. Alpha Core copper foil inductor. This made a huge improvement. Took the nasal sound out of the speaker, and improved the bass response in all ways. This one is a must!!

All the resistors in the mid and tweeter circuits were replaced with Mills MRA-12's. Yes, I replaced them all with the 12W Mills, even the big 25 waters. No need for more than that, especially with the Mills resistors.

I believe this all costs around $900, and I got everything from Sonicraft. You may look into replacing the binding posts on the speakers as well. The JBL Twist Lock connectors suck.

The speakers that dethroned them are the Joseph Audio Perspective's. They are absolutely transparent and perfectly coherent. By design and costs they should be, but the JBL L220's are very damn good for the money and I do play them from time to time. They responded tremendously to the upgrades. Much more than I thought they would. The Joseph's are not as sensitive as the JBL's and I do miss that using the tube amps..

My amps are NOS Valves VRD Mono's, and the front end is all Bel Canto. The DAC3.5Vb MKII, Reflink USB/SPDIF Converter, fed from a 2009 Mac Mini with SSD and 8G Ram. The supply for the Mini is a Paul Hynes SR5-18.5. It sounds killer for sure.

soundaround

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Re: Help on soon For Sale JBL speakers
« Reply #4 on: 30 Dec 2013, 01:41 am »
I am out of my league here.  Understand what you are saying but could not aspire to doing this myself which probably puts the upgrade out of reach.  So can you give me a rough idea on where you are and what the 220's might be worth as they stand now (without upgrade).  Are you close? 

I would like to upgrade and keep them but I fear I have no way of following your outline without it costing way more than it's probably worth.

Wherever you are I wish you were in reasonable driving distance  :)

Thank you again for your wealth of knowledge and your assistance.

paul79

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Re: Help on soon For Sale JBL speakers
« Reply #5 on: 30 Dec 2013, 03:50 am »
I'm near Tulsa, OK... The 220's stock, in great shape again, $1500-$2000 would be about right. The foundation for a truly remarkable speaker is there with them though. Solid cabinet, great drivers, and not so great crossover components. Tackle their one weakness, and you have world class speakers IMO.

wkjeffers

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Re: Help on soon For Sale JBL speakers
« Reply #6 on: 10 Jan 2014, 11:44 pm »
I know a shop in Louisville just got a pair of L200 and they are going to ask around $3000 for them. They are reconing the woofers but otherwise in excellent condition. The L65 (Jubals)  are right at $800 to $1000 retail)

wkjeffers

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Re: Help on soon For Sale JBL speakers
« Reply #7 on: 10 Jan 2014, 11:46 pm »
and by the way, the subwoofer looks like a Chihuahua amongst St. Bernards!

Rusty Jefferson

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Re: Help on soon For Sale JBL speakers
« Reply #8 on: 13 Jan 2014, 02:36 pm »
I know a shop in Louisville just got a pair of L200 and they are going to ask around $3000 for them. They are reconing the woofers but otherwise in excellent condition........

Perhaps you meant L300s?  That price would be out of line for L200.  Here's a link to a Facebook page for a used gear store in Louisville that has a pair of L300s for sale.
https://www.facebook.com/Magnetic.Tape.Recorder?rf=166319773379625

wkjeffers

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Re: Help on soon For Sale JBL speakers
« Reply #9 on: 14 Jan 2014, 04:06 am »
yes, thanks for correcting that - L300's. and a couple of pair of 240ti.