Old is New Again (Turntable)

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WBimmer

Old is New Again (Turntable)
« on: 15 Aug 2013, 05:45 pm »
As I become more wise with the passing years, I realize that things that were old are actually better than things that are new.  Case in point: Turntables and Records.

In our pursuit for all things new and perceived as better, we're quick to move away from the tried and true and for the most part, never seem to look back.  Well I decided it was time to go back 30 to 35 years ago and try something I thought was over the hill and I was very pleasantly surprised.

With music, I feel we're trying to get as close as we can to hearing music being played live and in person.  A recording of that performance is also trying to convey the performance as true as possible and our equipment should be designed to fulfil this need.  Over the years we've gone from simple operation and playback to things that are far too complicated, require constant tweaking and then for no apparent reason, a setting changes and nothing works and it takes hours to figure it out and get it working again.

So I decided to re-enter the world of analogue audio and purchased a Clearaudio Performance DC Turntable, with a Magnify Tonearm, Talismann V2 Gold Cartridge and run it through the Bryston BP1.5 Phono Stage.  Well I cannot be happier with the results and upon first hearing this setup, I at first noticed a tremendous ease with a removal of the tension you feel from digital based music.  It has a warm relaxed sound that is much more real and natural sounding and is much easier to sit and listen to for extended periods at a time, where digital gets tiring after too long.

I liken the experience to a sine wave, where sound is meant to be a smooth wave with changing wavelength and amplitude.  This is how sound in nature and live music is conveyed and this is what we're trying to capture in our listening experience.  Digital on the other hand, I liken to a square wave of either on or off and all of the effort and energy we put into finding the right equipment is basically taking this square wave and trying to smooth out the corners to give us back a smooth sine wave.  No matter how hard you try to smooth out a square wave, you'll never get back the original wave and you'll be left with that something missing that your ears and brain can detect.  Then you have compressed digital music that is missing information on top of trying to smooth out a square wave and that really messes with our brains ability to process what it is hearing...

So I'm no expert on sound waves or how the electronics do what they do, but I can certainly hear the difference in analogue audio and I'm sold and happy to be back.  I even pulled out some of my records from when I was a teenager that had been in storage in my basement for 30 years, gave them a clean (also bought a VPI HW-17 record cleaner to go with) and they also sound incredibly good and far better than I remember them.

Anyways, if you want convenience and to put music on and walk away and keep it playing, then digital music fits the bill nicely.  But if you want the real thing and you're prepared to clean your records and care for them, sit in your listening position and get up every 20 minutes to turn it over or change the record, then I can say that you'll be very pleased with the results.





Wayne.

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Re: Old is New Again (Turntable)
« Reply #1 on: 15 Aug 2013, 05:56 pm »
REALLY, REALLY, REALLY NICE  :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:

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Re: Old is New Again (Turntable)
« Reply #2 on: 15 Aug 2013, 06:26 pm »
Very well done. My layout is similar to yours, who makes the corner bass trap? I want one.

Wayne

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Re: Old is New Again (Turntable)
« Reply #3 on: 15 Aug 2013, 06:52 pm »
  Once again I think critics of digital music need to hear some newer and better engineered records (CD)

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Re: Old is New Again (Turntable)
« Reply #4 on: 15 Aug 2013, 08:08 pm »
A most interesting post WBimmer  :thumb:

Perhaps early in the new year, a turntable will grace my humble abode. Ironically, the main reason for me to delve into the vinyl world is because some of the music that I enjoy was never released on CD. I have started my record collection and have a few albums shipped in from mostly Europe now and then. It will be very interesting to see how a turntable will compare to my Esoteric X-05.

What I am also looking foreword to is the mechanical aesthetics that a turn table will bring into my room - a turntable to me looks "alive and breathing" compared to a CD player gobbling up a disc and playing away. A good digital system can also sound warm and silky smooth and this is still after a listening marathon sessions lasting almost 10 hours   :D

My next purchase will be a record cleaner and perhaps you can post your likes/dislikes with respect to your VPI HW-17 record cleaner and the Bryston phone stage.

You were one of the smart ones and kept your records from days-gone-by instead of getting rid of them  :thumb:

Be well...


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Re: Old is New Again (Turntable)
« Reply #5 on: 15 Aug 2013, 08:16 pm »
Are those Proac Carbon speakers?
Nice!

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Re: Old is New Again (Turntable)
« Reply #6 on: 15 Aug 2013, 08:45 pm »
great system :thumb:

How large is your album collection

WBimmer

Re: Old is New Again (Turntable)
« Reply #7 on: 15 Aug 2013, 11:25 pm »
Very well done. My layout is similar to yours, who makes the corner bass trap? I want one.

Wayne

The bass traps were bought through Absolute Audio in Calgary and they're made be a local person who has done work for the Calgary Philharmonic Centre and other well known places.  I was able to pick from a large selection of fabrics and colours and they were made to order for my room and they do make a noticeable difference.


A most interesting post WBimmer  :thumb:

My next purchase will be a record cleaner and perhaps you can post your likes/dislikes with respect to your VPI HW-17 record cleaner and the Bryston phone stage.

The VPI HW-17 does a really good job of cleaning the records.  Some of my old records that had been in the basement were grungy and dusty and came up sparkling after.  I find it easy to use and the vacuum noise isn't too loud, which I've heard can be a problem.  This model is the middle of the three that VPI offer and worth every penny.

The Bryston Phone Stage was a no-brainer for me.  Everything else is Bryston, so the Phone Stage had to be as well.  I didn't compare to other brands for listening, so I cannot comment and price wise, Bryston is more money than others that can do the job, but I'm sold on Bryston quality and like knowing I have great equipment that is made in Canada and not China.


Are those Proac Carbon speakers?
Nice!

Yes, Proac Carbon Pro 8's with Ebony wood.


great system :thumb:

How large is your album collection

I haven't counted them, but it's got to be easily over 100.  Not a huge collection, but plenty of what I like to listen to and I'm not going to try keeping up with Laundrew!!

Wayne.

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Re: Old is New Again (Turntable)
« Reply #8 on: 30 Aug 2013, 08:54 am »
That. Is. Gorgeous! What make is the rack, out of interest? Would look nice at swm_uk towers..!

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Re: Old is New Again (Turntable)
« Reply #9 on: 30 Aug 2013, 10:16 am »
Hey Wayne nice to see you enjoying your new vinyl setup, I see you have a classic album in the background Pink Floyd - Dark Side of The Moon.  8)

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Re: Old is New Again (Turntable)
« Reply #10 on: 30 Aug 2013, 10:53 pm »
Nice setup......I regret selling my records 20 years ago.

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Re: Old is New Again (Turntable)
« Reply #11 on: 30 Aug 2013, 11:39 pm »
That. Is. Gorgeous! What make is the rack, out of interest? Would look nice at swm_uk towers..!

The rack is made by Solid Tech out of Sweden.  Great quality, build and very solid.  I added an extra shelf to it from what the standard is and no trouble doing so.

Wayne.

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Re: Old is New Again (Turntable)
« Reply #12 on: 31 Aug 2013, 05:20 pm »
Should be a nice set up to enjoy vinyls... Congrats.