Mac Mini Specs ?

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Bazinga

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Mac Mini Specs ?
« on: 9 Aug 2013, 02:16 pm »
I would like to purchase a used Mac Mini for a music source " server " and connect to my Dac through USB . I am wondering what specs I would need for the Mac Mini ?

mcgsxr

Re: Mac Mini Specs ?
« Reply #1 on: 9 Aug 2013, 03:36 pm »
A good question, and likely one that will garner a lot of different responses.

I would say the most modern one you can afford is the right answer.  I had a first generation Mini for a while, and although it did work (had 2GB of RAM, and a single processor, and only 2 USB ports) it could not run the most current versions of iTunes.  That meant that I could not perform any of the fun cool tricks with iTunes and the 4 iDevices around the house. 

Now, that may not matter to you, but I would say that the most RAM you can afford will always be good.

Will you use it exclusively for music?  What s/w will you run - iTunes, Amara, some other paid s/w etc?

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Re: Mac Mini Specs ?
« Reply #2 on: 9 Aug 2013, 03:52 pm »
I suggest that have you have a solid state hard drive to minimize any noise and I believe it should improve jitter as well.  But I would not get one from Apple.  You can get a 3rd party drive and install it relatively easy.  The 3rd party drive is really to save money more than anything else

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Re: Mac Mini Specs ?
« Reply #3 on: 9 Aug 2013, 05:02 pm »
I suggest that have you have a solid state hard drive to minimize any noise and I believe it should improve jitter as well.  But I would not get one from Apple.  You can get a 3rd party drive and install it relatively easy.  The 3rd party drive is really to save money more than anything else

I was looking at the 2.3 i5 with 8GB do I really need to go Bigger or will that do ?

Solid State is a good upgrade for the main drive but will also have an external Drive for more storage

embz

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Re: Mac Mini Specs ?
« Reply #4 on: 9 Aug 2013, 06:30 pm »
From a processing standpoint, for a music server, you will have all the power you need and more with the i5.  People are now making music servers with these:

http://www.computeraudiophile.com/content/533-geek-speak-how-build-beaglebone-black-mpd-music-server/

I have a dedicated audio PC which is based on an Atom processor and play Hi-rez music with no issues (PCM and DSD).  I also have a macbook air with similar specs to the mac mini, which I used before the dedicated audio PC, and I had no issues either.

I use JRiver, Foobar, and JPlay as players.  Did not get a chance to use any of the OSX player like Amarra but I hear good things about them

Crimson

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« Reply #5 on: 9 Aug 2013, 08:05 pm »
For the playback software, I'd suggest trying as many as you can via their free trials before committing to any.

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Re: Mac Mini Specs ?
« Reply #6 on: 11 Aug 2013, 07:06 am »
I was looking at the 2.3 i5 with 8GB do I really need to go Bigger or will that do ?

Solid State is a good upgrade for the main drive but will also have an external Drive for more storage

With that one you should have all the processing power you need.

Max out the memory - it's cheap - and player software (Pure Music etc) can make use of it in "memory play" mode. That mode also obviates the need somewhat for a SSD as the track is all put into memory.  Still - a cheap SSD for the OS + apps & the external HD for storage is not a bad way to go.  I'd personally go for a firewire 800 external HD (vs USB) like the WD studio ones.  Mine has been super fast and rock stable.  Also because so much other junk is often hanged off the USB, including USB - SPDIF convertors, it's best to give the external HD a nice solo connection. 

If you go for a pre 2010 you can use an aftermarket linear power supply, but honestly some of the other advantages of a post 2010 mini may outweigh that.  And a place like Mojo audio or other DIY guys can do a DC conversion for $300 or less.

Bazinga

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Re: Mac Mini Specs ?
« Reply #7 on: 14 Aug 2013, 03:21 am »
I see some 2TB 800's for 99.00 shipped not bad

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« Reply #8 on: 17 Aug 2013, 01:32 pm »
I have an old mac mini with a single core intel processor and 2 gigs of ram. I don't use iTunes but Decibel for playback. I have plenty of processing power even when up sampling or playing 24/96 files.  Although memory is good I am sure 2 gigs is still going to be well over 30 minutes of high rez music files that can be buffered. personally I think people get carried away with more power than they need for music playback. I also don't understand all this stuff about upgrading the power supply for lots of money. there are ways to optimize the system for music playback, google that. I also prefer to use the optical digital out rather than the USB. I know all of these opinions are not popular but I would advise that any mac mini will have plenty of power to play music and to draw your own conclusions. One issue is that used mac mini's command a pretty high premium on the used market and sometimes you can get a pretty good deal with a refurb mac mini on the apple web site. I just purchased my main computer as a mac mini from there and got a nice one with solid state drive etc. for about 900 bucks. I am not sure what you budget it but right now there are some mac minis there for $750 bucks. I see on e-bay they can go for as low as 300 bucks but the ones that I looked at had some sort of problem.

the newer models have an HDMI output, which can be useful.

Just my 2 cents.

Bazinga

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Re: Mac Mini Specs ?
« Reply #9 on: 17 Aug 2013, 01:46 pm »
HDMI output is important to me but to get that option in a macmini you will pay , I agree for a music server one does not need to spend a bunch of $$$  I was just going to use a Dell Zino with an external HD and those can be picked up for 200.00 - as far as optical vs USB I'm not sure what advantage one has over the other for music playback

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Re: Mac Mini Specs ?
« Reply #10 on: 20 Aug 2013, 05:36 am »
Having been there with my mac mini I can say that USB is an improvement vs toslink out, and that power supply upgrades also take things to a higher level.  Which is not to say that a stock mac mini - even an older one - can't satisfy many if not most people. 

TOSLINK : The main limitation of toslink among others is sub-par quality of the receivers & transmitters : toslink seems to always have been more directed towards convenience and low cost vs maximum performance (vs something like ST-Optical that was designed from the get-go to be a higher quality data link - albeit one which is very underutilized vs toslink).  Again - not to say that toslink can't sound pretty decent - and sometimes better than poorly implemented coaxial digital or even USB when poor or improper cabling is used.

USB : This in my experience has ultimately been the most high fidelity data medium for PC based audio when done right.  Which means asynchronous and isolated interface - whether via a convertor or with a DAC that does both well.  There's just a lot of noise from the PC side which does and will interfere with your signal and which you don't want to pass on to your DAC.  Toslink doesn't get rid of that either - it just converts the "garbage" it gets, turns it into a less than optimal optical digital signal on the other end, then does what it can less than perfectly to reconvert it into analog.  At least the medium itself is not subject to RF / EMI like SPDIF coaxial or cheapo USB.

Power supply : It's been my experience that a lot of potential violence can be done to musical data by EM noisy PCs and with DACs.  I found upgrading the cheap switching power supply on my DAC to a high quality linear one paid substantial dividends in a cleaner and more transparent signal and deeper darker backgrounds that allowed more of the music to come through.  I've not yet experimented with the doing the same with my late 2010 mac mini, and don't know if doing so will make as substantial a difference, but I know the cost to do so is not as major as many component upgrades - and as it all starts at the source - it just seems to make sense to take things to the next level. I have tried using a C7 to IEC adaptor then using an upgraded power cord, and this did make an improvement in the sound quality, even when the power cord had already been hooked up to a line conditioner. My theory is that the power cable itself was also doing some line filtration vs a stock cable, among other potential benefits.

Which Mac Min : Would tend to agree that both (a) sometimes people think they need more than they do if they are just using it as music server, and (b) it is true that for the marginal difference it may make more sense to buy a current generation refurb or entry level new mac mini vs a used one.  Best usually you're going to do on a usable mac mini is somewhere north of $250, whereas the previously mentioned are a few hundred more.  In the audiophile world that cost difference is pretty minor - and there is something to be said to having some warrant & tech support if you do want to do something more with it.