REL T9 sub with Magnepan 1.7s

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NIGHTFALL1970

REL T9 sub with Magnepan 1.7s
« on: 14 Jul 2013, 04:58 pm »
Hi, everyone.  I wasn't sure where to post this, but I want opinions from people who have experience with subs for Magnepans. I was leaning toward a Rythmik sub with a paper driver because this is mostly for 2 channel music.  Very little HT.  (I don't have surround sound,  I play the DVD player thru my AVA Fet Valve Dac.)
I talked to a dealer at Take 5 Audio in Hartford CT and he recommended the REL T9.  He says that they integrate very well with Maggies.
I have read on AC that if you take the low bass out of the Maggies that they play "clearer".  Can you do this with the Rel setup?  It's hard to tell from the instruction manual.  Any advice will be greatly appreciated.

srb

Re: REL T9 sub with Magnepan 1.7s
« Reply #1 on: 14 Jul 2013, 05:21 pm »
The REL T9 doesn't have a built-in high pass line input filter loop, so if your preamp doesn't have any built-in high pass outputs (and I'm assuming it doesn't), then you would need an external high pass filter between your preamp and power amp.

Something like these Harrison FMOD filters would work, but they are non-adjustable fixed frequency, so you have to choose and order the model for your high pass frequency preference.  http://www.parts-express.com/term/fmod-high-pass?srch=fmod+high+pass

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Re: REL T9 sub with Magnepan 1.7s
« Reply #2 on: 14 Jul 2013, 07:26 pm »
Not sure what "taking out the low bass" implies, unless you mean using an external crossover where you can filter out the low bass.  I know some people use external crossovers w/ magnepans, and I think it's a mistake : particularly worse the electronic kind that have A/D & D/As in them : i.e. they take the analog signal from the preamp, turn it to digital, process it, then convert it back to analog.  UGH.  In general if you can avoid introducing more things in the signal path, whether extra crossovers or whatever, the better I think.

Personally, I use a REL T1 with my magnepan 1.7's, the predecessor to the T-9, mainly for home theater, though some times for rock etc where I want a bit more bottom end.  The nice thing about REL's is the amp level connection so that the sub "sees" the same signal as the main L/R channels.  I.e. one positive wire to each L/R is connected at the speaker binding posts, and one negative to one of those two (only need one ground).  The other end has a speakon connector to the REL.  At the REL end you set the crossover and volume level.  This is great because it allows, as mentioned before, the sub to get the same signal as the main L/R, but also allows you to connect the main L/R DIRECT to the amp without some external crossover in the middle. It's true that you won't this way be able to filter out the lowest frequencies from the magnepans, but honestly most magnepans, including my 1.7's, don't go down super deep anyway.

This is why I and many others would recommend a REL for magnepans.  If another manufacturer did the same, I'd also recommend them. 

Owning both an older T1, and a newer T-5 for another system, I'd say the T-5 is faster because it's a totally sealed sub with no port or passive radiator (the T1 uses a 10 inch down-firing 10 + a 10 passive radiator).  The T-5 also has a smaller driver (8").  With all that said, the T1 works pretty well w/ my Magenpan 1.7s - it certainly has plenty of bass to fill my 15 x 25 foot room.  So I suspect the T-9 would also work well. 

If you're room is the same size or smaller than mine, I'd say the T2 / T-7 would work just as well : maybe better.  The only difference is the passive radiator is 8" vs 10".  I personally think the smaller passive radiator might be better / faster.  I heard a T-7 w/ Manepan 1.7's and it was a good combo in a smaller room. 

Ideally I'd like a 10" SEALED sub w/ good power for my maggie 1.7 for music + HT.  But a good powerful sealed large driver sub is usually quite an expensive proposition.

The main difference between the older "T" series and the newer "Serie T" seem to be improved cosmetics : i.e. beautiful glossy piano like finish to the enclosures.  Not that the earlier T series wasn't attractive, for a subwoofer.  Otherwise though I don't think there is any difference to the actual drivers / amp / crossover etc between the older T series or newer "Serie T".

SO : if you want to save a lot of money, get a T1 vs a T-9.  Same drivers, same configuration, same amps, just a different enclosure w/ different footers.  VANNs forever had a cherry T1 new for $500 (vs $1200 that a T-9 costs), and I was keeping it to myself as I was thinking of getting another to have dual subs.  But sadly I don't see it available anymore on their website.  As of just a week or so they did, so maybe they finally sold it, or delisted it.  Might be worth calling & finding out.  I did see a used one listed on Audiogon (now expired) for an asking price of $550.  So you should be able to get one somewhere for $500 vs $1200 new of the T-9.  Music Direct occasionally has demo REL subs - though I don't recall every seeing a T-9 for sale. I did see a T-7, but I think thats gone.

In summary : I recommend REL for magnepans, but in the entry level suggest either a used T1 / T2, or a demo T-7. 

A personal usage note on my RELs : if you use the spikes, make sure they are all well planted on the floor, otherwise you will get a rattle on the really heavy bass for any that are not firmly planted. On the newer T-5, it will dance around somewhat on my hardwood floors with big booms.  Spikes were not enclosed / offered. Maybe some blue tack would help......

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Re: REL T9 sub with Magnepan 1.7s
« Reply #3 on: 14 Jul 2013, 07:41 pm »
PS : if you can afford / have the budget for a new REL T9, I'd seriously recommend a new (or better used, if you can find it) REL R-218 @ $200 more new.  It's all sealed with a better chassis, better amp, and better driver.  That's likely to be the fastest / tightest sub to match a bigger maggie I can think of for the money (next stop is the REL G2 @ $3500 : OUCH).  For an MMG, or for a small room, a REL T5 would be a good choice.

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Re: REL T9 sub with Magnepan 1.7s
« Reply #4 on: 14 Jul 2013, 09:16 pm »


Hard to quibble with the mentioned advice - since it’s all subjective and many subs later for Maggie 1.6 - personally I favor the Vandersteen philosophy - the Vandersteen 2Wq with it’s hi/lo xover at 80Hz relieves octaves the speakers weren’t meant to reproduce - once configuration is properly executed in a Maggie controlled room you never have to touch the sub again - best Maggie sub for my space - Vandersteen 2Wq.

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Re: REL T9 sub with Magnepan 1.7s
« Reply #5 on: 14 Jul 2013, 09:20 pm »
Is that photo in the Planar Porn section?
If not, it should be, that room looks great.

NIGHTFALL1970

Re: REL T9 sub with Magnepan 1.7s
« Reply #6 on: 15 Jul 2013, 09:46 am »
Thanks everyone for the advice!  I will post what I end up doing.

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Re: REL T9 sub with Magnepan 1.7s
« Reply #7 on: 15 Jul 2013, 03:31 pm »
Hey Royce : does that 2wq come with the external hi pass crossover?  If not, do you use one, and if so, what brand / model?  The 2wq looks very compelling, especially @ 1550 new. Aside from magnepan 1.7 , I have 2ce's in a second system and the bass is awesome. I can only imagine what three of those 8 inch drivers sound like. And the fact that you can connect via amp level connections like REL is even better.

srb

Re: REL T9 sub with Magnepan 1.7s
« Reply #8 on: 15 Jul 2013, 04:19 pm »
The WX-2 external crossover is included with the 2Wq subwoofer.  It is intended to be used temporarily to determine the proper setting needed to match the input impedance of your power amplifier set via an internal dip switch.  After the optimal setting is determined, then the corresponding fixed X-2 inline crossovers are ordered from a Vandersteen dealer to replace the WX-2 (and the extra set of interconnects).



 

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Re: REL T9 sub with Magnepan 1.7s
« Reply #9 on: 15 Jul 2013, 05:24 pm »
As described above - the X-2 will replace the WX-2 external crossover after acceptable values for your system/room are found - when satisfied after much value settings trial and error - Vandersteen will custom build the X-2 - to your equipment - four years ago my dealer wanted $400 - I have spoken to Richard multiples times on various topics - I use the stock WX-2 pictured below.       


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Re: REL T9 sub with Magnepan 1.7s
« Reply #10 on: 16 Jul 2013, 09:18 pm »
$400 for the fixed X-2 inline crossovers...........ouch!  Can understand why you're stick with the "temporary" WX-2!