"Break in" of capacitors

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econ

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"Break in" of capacitors
« on: 3 Jul 2004, 11:51 pm »
Many have noted that capacitors need a break in period.

Especially when new ones are installed after an upgrade.

What is the explanation for this ?

 And how can you be sure that its not  the brain
 becoming accustomed to the new sound rather than
an improvement in the electronics ?

Malcolm Fear

"Break in" of capacitors
« Reply #1 on: 4 Jul 2004, 01:42 am »
Hi. I can't explain why.

But I have built a few ASKSA's.
When I turned mine on originally, it sounded bright an horrible. 24 hours later, it sounded great.
When I built the next AKSA for a friend, we were listening to mine.
We put the new ASKSA into my system. It sounded bright and horrible. 24 hours later it sounded great.
Some of this difference would be the capacitors. Other bits of the AKSA probably break in also.

mgalusha

"Break in" of capacitors
« Reply #2 on: 4 Jul 2004, 12:37 pm »
Electrolytic caps are the ones that change the most. This is due to the forming of an oxide layer on the plates of the capacitor. New electrolyics are supposed to be completely formed during manufacutring but they do change and improve with use.

If an electrolytic cap is unused for long periods of time it must be re-formed. This is not audiophile snake oil, but a well documented subject. Below is some information from Nichicon taken from "Application Guidelines for Electrolytic Capacitors". Even caps in new gear could have been stored for quite some time prior to the equipment being built.

As for film caps, I don't know how much this applies since they don't use an electrolyte.


2-6 Storage Performance
When an aluminum electrolytic capacitor is stored under
no load conditions for a long period of time, its leakage
current tends to increase slightly. This is due to a drop in
the withstand voltage of the dielectric caused by the
reaction of the anode oxide layer with the electrolyte.
When the voltage is applied to the capacitor, the leakage
current returns to its initial level because of the re-forming
action of the electrolyte (called voltage treatment). If the
storage temperature is high, the leakage current will
increase substantially. Therefore, it is desirable to store
capacitors at normal temperature level with no direct
sunlight. A voltage treatment is recommended when using
a capacitor stored for a long period of time. The treatment
for an individual capacitor is accomplished by charging
up to its rated voltage through a resistance of about 1 kW
and applying the voltage for approximately 30 minutes.
When a capacitor is already built into an appliance, the
appliance must undergo aging. In this case, it is
recommended that the input voltage be raised gradually
with a voltage regulator to the rated input voltage of the
appliance.

Generally, if the capacitor has been stored within 2
years in the storage temperature range of 5~35*C, the
capacitor can be used without voltage treatment.

Fig. 2-10 shows an example of the characteristic
change in capacitors that were stored at normal
temperatures.

full document here

Rocket

Aksa cases
« Reply #3 on: 5 Jul 2004, 02:57 am »
Hi Mike,

When are we going to see you join the aksa club?  Someone with your electronics background the aksa should be a breeze.

Btw i recently bought a Bugle and compared it to my perreaux sxv-1 phonostage ($350us/$650au).  I thought the bugle was a bit better in all areas imo.

regards

rocket

mgalusha

"Break in" of capacitors
« Reply #4 on: 5 Jul 2004, 05:01 pm »
Hello Rod,

Not sure. I am pretty happy with my system at present but that doesn't seem to stop me from trying new things. I did PM Hugh about getting on the US tour list of the 100W N+, so you just never know. :)

Glad to hear the Bugle is working out, I was able to aution one in my system and I preferred it to the Musical Fidelty XLPS. Does it have the hum problems of the Perreaux? It was dead quiet in my system.

mike

Rocket

aksa caps
« Reply #5 on: 6 Jul 2004, 01:26 am »
Hi Mike,

Well you have a good memory...I solved the hum issue with my perreaux, apparently it was a ground loop problem.

In normal play the bugle is fine but when i place my finger on the tonearm hum increases somewhat.   It's only a minor problem and is probably system dependant.

The bugle is with Malcolm Fear as i have leant it  to him to have a listen to.  I've finally bought a new cartridge, a Denon dl103 and it will be interesting to hear how much better it is compared to the entry level audio technica cartridge i was using.

regards

rod