Looking to upgrade multi-channel amplifier.. (?)

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Looking to upgrade multi-channel amplifier.. (?)
« on: 11 Mar 2013, 03:36 am »
Looking to upgrade multi-channel amplifier.. (?)


I currently own an OutLaw 7125, 7 channel power amplifier, The OutLaw has
worked flawlessly as our daily user for both music & home theater for more
than five years. It has a pleasant and neutral sonic character. Absolutely no
complaints about it... Just wondering if there are any other moderately priced
multi-channel amplifiers that would be a worthwhile upgrade? Only 5 channels
of amplification are required. To be used in 50% music / 50% hometheater
environment. Currently using the preamp-outs of an Marantz SR6005 to drive
the OutLaw. I have always liked the sound of Marantz ...but fear that thier current
multi-channel amplifiers are not worth the prices they're asking, or up to the
advertised performance hype.


The amplifiers that have caught my eye thus far are:

ParaSound Halo A 52 Five Channel Power Amplifier

NAD T 977 Seven Channel Power Amplifier

NAD M25 7-Channel Amplifier


Open to any thoughts or ideas ...thanks in advance :)

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Re: Looking to upgrade multi-channel amplifier.. (?)
« Reply #1 on: 11 Mar 2013, 04:07 am »
I'm in the same boat looking to change from my Krell Showcase 7.  I think the Marantz multichannel amps are probably quite decent / musical, but don't know if they have the kind of grunt I would want.

The Parasound A52 is probably at the top of my list, but other budget powerful options I've considered are Sherbourne PA5-200, Sherwood A965, and Anthem MCA & PVA series amps (or their predecessor models). Particularly used these should be doable for under $1K - don't know what kind of budget you had in mind.

Recommendations / specific experience from owners of any of these would be of great interest.

Oscillate

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« Reply #2 on: 11 Mar 2013, 05:29 am »

geowak

Re: Looking to upgrade multi-channel amplifier.. (?)
« Reply #3 on: 11 Mar 2013, 05:14 pm »
Much depends on the sensitivity of the speakers you will be using. Some are hard to drive, some are easy.
I got off the Home Theater (HT) bandwagon mostly because I could only afford a very good two channel amp and my main listening leaned toward stereo, not HT. I had tried a few HQ HT receivers and none really shined

To get a very good 5 channel system that doubles as a HT requires one to part with much more cash. IMHO.

If I had the money, I would probably listen to the McIntosh gear.
http://www.mcintoshlabs.com/us/Products/pages/ProductDetails.aspx?CatId=amplifiers&ProductId=MC205


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Re: Looking to upgrade multi-channel amplifier.. (?)
« Reply #4 on: 11 Mar 2013, 07:10 pm »
I used to feel this way, and even went out & got an old Conrad Johnson tube amp that I could go direct into with a DAC / digital preamp as a parallel system to the HT one (i.e they would only share the main two speakers).  But if you break it down, the "achilles heel" if you will of a HT + music system is the pre-amplification.  Presumably the main speakers will be the same, and a decent amp (probably solid state) should be as good for HT as music, even if for HT it will be multichannel, so this will up the cost a bit. 

It's really on the pre-amplification end where many HT receivers + processors are considered deficient compared to a good audiophile 2 channel preamp, probably because all of the potential additional low end circuitry the signal path could go through.  Some people try to address this by getting very high end processors, others by getting preamps from Parasound, McCormak that are multichannel analog only (processing being done by the blu ray w/ multichannel analog out).  Others might use the home theater bypass function on an integrated amp. 

Alternatively I think there are two other options :

1) An amp that has dual inputs per channel - i.e. balanced & unbalanced - and use one for HT, and the other for music with a separate preamp or DAC / digital preamp.  That why Parasound halo amps and some Anthem amps are attractive because they have both balanced and unbalanced.  The Krell Showcase does as well, but I find the sound to be a bit too hard / brittle. 

2) Recognize that some home theater receivers / processors actually are pretty decent preamps, particularly in the "pure direct" modes. No, they are not going to be as transparent as the very best expensive preamps, nor are they going to be as warm & euphonic as a tube preamp.  But still damn good all the same if you listen objectively.  I did a shoot out of my Marantz SR5005 & AV7005 vs an Anthem D1, which on the analog side is basically the same as the latest Anthem processors, and the Marantz's were not very far behind.  The AV7005 was cleaner than the SR5005, and the D1 a bit warmer / meatier than the Marantz's, but not a hugh difference.  So in summary I'm saying that the Marantz receivers / processors are really quite good even for 2 channel music, particularly if you use a good external DAC.  The internal DAC's are ok, but not reference quality.

As for McCormak amps, I've only stayed away as my dealer claims their reliability was a bit iffy.  He seemed to feel this way about Parasound amps as well because of his recent experience with customers ones melting down after minor mistakes (e.g. letting the spades on the positive / negative touch).  He felt there should be better internal protections against these mistakes.  Still would not keep me from buying a Parasound, but something useful to know that despite rugged looks, extra care should be taken in use.






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Re: Looking to upgrade multi-channel amplifier.. (?)
« Reply #5 on: 11 Mar 2013, 11:54 pm »
Yes I like Parasound and Marantz too. As a matter of fact, I have also owned a McCormack DNA 125 that developed a hum (transformer). Of all of them, the Halo series Parasound sounded the best. This of the SS fare, not the tubes. I mean if the JC series was in the budget, I would have all of them. Ha Ha
But I also like the Musical Fidelity, like the M6500i. NICE AMP! But it's tow channel.

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Re: Looking to upgrade multi-channel amplifier.. (?)
« Reply #6 on: 12 Mar 2013, 12:59 pm »
Looking to upgrade multi-channel amplifier.. (?)


I currently own an OutLaw 7125, 7 channel power amplifier, The OutLaw has
worked flawlessly as our daily user for both music & home theater for more
than five years. It has a pleasant and neutral sonic character. Absolutely no
complaints about it... Just wondering if there are any other moderately priced
multi-channel amplifiers that would be a worthwhile upgrade?

No. IThat said, if you want a pretty faceplate there's McIntosh. If you want a lot more (probably unneeded) power, there's Sunfire. If you want a much more compact package and about the same power, there's the Lexicon DD-8. If you want something less than neutral, there's the Butler piece.

If I ever replace my Sherwood A-965, it will be with a Lexicon DD-8 or something like it.

edwyun

Re: Looking to upgrade multi-channel amplifier.. (?)
« Reply #7 on: 16 Mar 2013, 07:17 pm »
Another that you might want to consider is a used Pass Labs X5.

roscoeiii

Re: Looking to upgrade multi-channel amplifier.. (?)
« Reply #8 on: 16 Mar 2013, 08:02 pm »
For some tube sound, check out the Butler 5150. There was one for sale here.

Oscillate

Re: Looking to upgrade multi-channel amplifier.. (?)
« Reply #9 on: 16 Mar 2013, 08:36 pm »
Thanks for all the good input.

I believe getting a higher-end pre/pro would make a big difference. But
only temporarily. The only thing with that is that companies routinely
update the codecs and firmware of their newest pre/pros. Even if you
purchase and then manually flash / upgrade the firmware yourself,
most companies only support a given model series for a few years
...so you end up buying new again. For example, the Marantz SR6005
I currently own replaced an OutLaw 990 that I flashed the firmware on
to the latest version ...and the OutLaw 990 (solid reliable workHorse
that it was) didn't sound anywhere near as good as the Marantz 6005.
The OutLaw costed about $1000 new and the Marantz only $525 (demo).
Whereas I feel power amplifiers tend to hold their value (both sonically
and cash value) for a much longer time.

There have been no comments on the NAD amplifiers? Does nobody
use them? Is their characteristic NAD sound unappealing?

...Oh and I've been looking at that Butler 5150. You do need to send it
back to the factory when the tubes need replaced though.

roscoeiii

Re: Looking to upgrade multi-channel amplifier.. (?)
« Reply #10 on: 16 Mar 2013, 08:40 pm »
The Butlers sound great. I had a 2250. And the amp is very very gentle on the tubes. So the only reason you'd likely need to send it back is if a repair is needed. My Butler got damaged by UPS and Butler Audio was great to deal with.