Thanks Danny, but the pair you're referring to are the ones I called you about last week and bought over the phone, when I was going to make a pair of dual 12" 8 ohm subs . Then, after thinking some more about making a pair of H or W frames instead, I called you back the same night and changed my order to a pair of 16 ohm 12"ers. I'm doing the OB subs first, and if I get my hands on a quartet of 8 ohm's I would consider doing a pair of dual 12's---Eric.