The Renaissance Editions are here (almost)!

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic. Read 9839 times.

Alwayswantmore

Re: The Renaissance Editions are here (almost)!
« Reply #20 on: 18 Feb 2013, 09:58 pm »
I did it, and it’s fantastic!

Today I finally took the time to test Audivana software for Mac. From their Website… http://audirvana.com/

“Audivana is the creator of high‐end audiophile players for the Mac platform, aiming at the best possible sound quality.”

From my initial research — now almost two months ago — my take is this is a software app that’s able to go right to the bits on the hard drive, and do it such that there’s much less Apple OS between the bits on the drive and your DAC. Someone more knowledgeable than I may want to add to this, but that’s my takeaway… and, all I really care about is how it sounds.

The cool thing is you can choose to have iTunes as your interface. So once I went through a couple minute install on my Macbook, I selected my Belina as the output and iTunes as the user interface (alternative being an interface provided by Audivana). That was it, it worked… no muss no fuss.

Currently I’m using their no-cost 15-day trial version. They didn’t even ask for contact info or a credit card. Purchase of the permanent license will set me back $74. After an hour session of before and after, I have no hesitation that this will be the best $74 I’ve ever spent on audio.

My Macbook is a few years old, running 10.6.8 with 4 GB RAM. My OS just squeaks over the bar for Audivana’s stated minimum, and I have double their recommended ram.

Macbook then feeds via USB my newly upgraded Isabellina, now called a Bellina Renaissance Edition with ProDac. http://redwineaudio.com/components/bellina

All of my listening was via the NOS DAC.

My Process

Knowing there would be a couple minute break between the before and after, I decided to focus on a single song for my critical listen. I choose “I’ve Got You Under My Skin,” off Diana Krall Live in Paris. This is a song I know and like, plus it has many instruments (including woodwinds) and other subtle textures / soundstage aspects I know by heart. It even has live audience applause at the end of the tune, something I love when testing, to evaluate three things: Detail, attack and room ambience (i.e. feeling the “size” of the room).

Since I only had one shot at this, and didn’t know how subtle the results might be, I actually listened to the tune four times prior to making the switch. With each listen I attempted to relax more, and put myself into the performance, listening for detail, tone, instrument placement, soundstage, etc.

This cut is especially tricky on some systems, because it begins with solo clarinet then flute. All backed by subtle vibes, a little guitar and good old Jeff Hamilton with very subtle brushes work. Back to the woodwinds… on many systems I’ve heard — even back when my own system was a Sig 30 driving Omega Compact Hemps (Omega’s last 8” driver prior to going to Alnico) — these instruments can sound hard, taking on an unnatural edge. Something long gone with the current rig.

After the intro, focus goes to vocals, standing front and center. Whether or not you are a fan of Krall, the vocals on this recording are hard to beat.

The Sound

So after my initial rounds without Audivana, then a quick software download, I’m back to the beginning of I’ve Got You Under My Skin, and all system settings remain untouched.

This was a case where I did not know what to expect. Vinnie gave the software a good plug — raising my expectations. But on the other hand, it’s just moving bits, and I don’t understand how software can change the sound when bits are bits.

So I thought this might be like A/B’ing interconnects or speaker wires. Maybe you hear a difference, but is it better or just different?

No doubt in my mind, the sound is better. And in every parameter I can think of.

After a couple rounds with my test tune, I jumped to another fave on the same album (Case of You), then moved onto a couple live Eagle tunes from Hell Freezes Over, and ended my session with Patricia Barber’s Night Club, a wonderful recording, with an excellent recording of acoustic bass in Autumn Leaves, and great cymbals / percussion and piano on “You Don’t Know Me”.

Having Audivana is like taking one good size step closer to the musicians in the original performance. More “there”. More detail. Even feels like the dynamics were a step up.

Of note, on DK I’ve Got You Under My Skin, there are times when Hamilton uses brushes on cymbals. More tone from the cymbal was apparent with Audivana. Same for listening to the audience as they clap (or cough)… just more real.

Can’t say there was anything like a shift in tone (not that I would have expected that), but there were times when the tone of a given instrument was more distinct, and again more lifelike.

Vocals were great, with an even stronger sense the singer was in my room.

And for the two cuts off Eagles Hell Freezes Over, both have deep bass content (“Hotel California” and “Wasted Time”). Both made me proud of what Louis has been able to do with his 8” Hemp driver in a sealed box via my single Omega Deep Hemp sub. Wow!

So in summary: For a good system and critical listening, is Audivana a good product? No doubt, and IMO an amazing benefit for the cost of casual dinner out.

Is it night and day? No, not that strong. I would say somewhat subtle, but if you know your system well, a very meaningful upgrade.

Highly recommended! Kent

alamakazam

  • Jr. Member
  • Posts: 22
Re: The Renaissance Editions are here (almost)!
« Reply #21 on: 27 Feb 2013, 02:28 pm »
getting my RE bellina soon, would the following equipment improve its performance further?

wavelength wavelink , usb to spdif converter
iFi iUSB , clean usb power

http://www.ifi-audio.com/en/iUSB.html

Alwayswantmore

Re: The Renaissance Editions are here (almost)!
« Reply #22 on: 27 Feb 2013, 07:06 pm »
See post below...
« Last Edit: 28 Feb 2013, 02:38 am by Alwayswantmore »

Alwayswantmore

Re: The Renaissance Editions are here (almost)!
« Reply #23 on: 28 Feb 2013, 02:37 am »
For the second device, it replaces your computer for supplying power to USB. But RWA already provides power via battery (rather than computer via USB), so I would doubt this product to be a benefit. RWA also has galvanic isolation, which again may provide some of functionality promoted by this product, mentioned toward the bottom of their feature list. [Please know that I do not know enough to judge one way or the other???]

Lacking specific experience to speak from, the best I can say is let your ears be the judge as to whether these add-ons help or hurt the sound.

K

embz

  • Jr. Member
  • Posts: 21
Re: The Renaissance Editions are here (almost)!
« Reply #24 on: 24 Mar 2013, 12:13 am »
Hi Alwayswantsmore,

I just recently upgraded from Sig15 to the Sig16.  There was a significant improvement in sound quality.  I really like the Sig15 but can honestly say that I love the way the Sig 16 sounds.  I always had a bit of trouble understanding what people meant when using terms like 3 dimensional, bigger sound stage, timber, etc etc.  But now I do. 

Just curious if you thought the improvement in SQ was significant between the Sig 15 and Sig 16?  Truth be told I really only upgrade b/c I like the new enclosures, I was not expecting better SQ (even though the website says so)

Vinnie R.

  • Industry Contributor
  • Posts: 4910
    • http://www.vinnierossi.com
Re: The Renaissance Editions are here (almost)!
« Reply #25 on: 25 Mar 2013, 03:04 pm »
All,

Thanks for all your posts and much appreciated feedback!

Quote
Hi Vinnie:

Any news on the Signature 8 including ETA?  Also, assuming the power differential is not significant, how does it sound compared to the Signature 16?  Thanks!

Gerry

Hi Gerry,

We are very busy with getting the new Isabella Renaissance Edition preamplifier, AND our new integrated into production first.  I sure hope to have at least "near-production-level" versions of them at the NY Audio Show next month!  8)

Signature 8 will follow at some point after that - more details and comparisons will be made when we are closer to product release.

Quote
I just recently upgraded from Sig15 to the Sig16.  There was a significant improvement in sound quality.  I really like the Sig15 but can honestly say that I love the way the Sig 16 sounds.  I always had a bit of trouble understanding what people meant when using terms like 3 dimensional, bigger sound stage, timber, etc etc.  But now I do. 

Hi embz,

Thanks for your feedback, and I'm glad you are enjoying the improvement to the Signature 16. 

Quote
I was not expecting better SQ (even though the website says so)

LOL - It certainly does have been SQ, or else I wouldn't be able to mention it.  We've been slammed with upgrades and are getting
really nice customer response with the Renaissance Edition line. 

It's been so busy that I haven't caught up to make some review samples to send out to various reviewers who have been
asking for them - but we'll get there.  Right now, my main priority it working on our backlog and getting out the units customers
who ordered.  But at some point, we'll get 'em out to the reviewers as well.

2013 has really been cooking - and there's a lot of really great stuff coming soon!  :singing:

Thanks again for all your feedback, support, and patience during this busy time for us! 

We really appreciate it!

Vinnie

Alwayswantmore

Re: The Renaissance Editions are here (almost)!
« Reply #26 on: 25 Mar 2013, 04:11 pm »
Hi Alwayswantsmore,

I just recently upgraded from Sig15 to the Sig16.  There was a significant improvement in sound quality.  I really like the Sig15 but can honestly say that I love the way the Sig 16 sounds.  I always had a bit of trouble understanding what people meant when using terms like 3 dimensional, bigger sound stage, timber, etc etc.  But now I do. 

Just curious if you thought the improvement in SQ was significant between the Sig 15 and Sig 16?  Truth be told I really only upgrade b/c I like the new enclosures, I was not expecting better SQ (even though the website says so)
Hi embz, you and I came to RE for opposite reasons. You choose cosmetics and got SQ improve as an added bonus. In my case, I opted for SQ only, so I still have black enclosures (and saved a few bucks). My upgrade was three modules at one time (ProDAC board was new for me, Isabellina HPA (DAC) and Sig 15 -- all upgraded to RE). So there is no way for me to isolate where the improvements in sound I hear are coming from in the audio chain. You hear the difference in the amp alone, so that's cool! The new amp incorporates both a new amp board and RE upgraded tube stage, so I would expect anyone with a nice system and decent listening environment will find RE upgrades are more than just cosmetic!

Enjoy your new amp! Kent

Merkel 2016

  • Jr. Member
  • Posts: 5
Re: The Renaissance Editions are here (almost)!
« Reply #27 on: 30 Mar 2013, 12:47 am »
Context

... I do have MANY years ownership of relatively high-end products dating back to the days of Magnaplaner speakers (yes, a product made by Magnapan, but sold by Audio Research Corporation)...

Perusing your posts in anticipation of getting a Bellina HPA I had to smile-- I had a pair of those back in the day and they were the bomb.  :D

Alwayswantmore

Re: The Renaissance Editions are here (almost)!
« Reply #28 on: 30 Mar 2013, 11:15 am »
Unfortunately mine were T-Bs. The T-1C was their big step forward. CORRECTION... thinking back, I'm not sure of the model. But if I remember correctly, the next rev added the ribbon tweeter and was a big step forward. But for good old plain listening, I would not trade my Omega Single Drivers for my old Maggies  :icon_lol:
« Last Edit: 1 Apr 2013, 12:46 pm by Alwayswantmore »