Who likes tri-amped line arrays!

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James Lehman

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Who likes tri-amped line arrays!
« on: 12 Oct 2012, 06:23 am »
Hello everyone!

Check these out!

I made these.

There are ( 36 ) TV full range speakers, ( 49 ) poly dome tweeters, and ( 8 ) 8" woofers in isobaric pairs on each side!

That's 186 driven voice coils in the pair!

There is a wide-range / tweeter panel that's about 4.5 inches thick and two woofer cabinets on each side.

I use a Behringer 3 way active crossover at 24dB/Oct. at about 112Hz and 3.5KHz.

The isobaric boxes are about 7 cu. ft. tuned to about 21Hz for a -3dB of about 17Hz!

I use an AMP-6 kit I built from 41Hz.com for the tweeters, a 50 w/ch amp from Audio Source for the wide-range speakers and a old 80s Kenwood high current amp for the woofers.

Some day I would like to replace all of the amps with class D boards.











persisting1

Re: Who likes tri-amped line arrays!
« Reply #1 on: 12 Oct 2012, 07:31 am »
Wow  :thumb:

What exact drivers did you use?

James Lehman

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Re: Who likes tri-amped line arrays!
« Reply #2 on: 12 Oct 2012, 06:01 pm »
The first thing I got was the TV speakers. I saw them in an electronics catalog that was sent to me in the mail out-of-the-blue. I thought they looked pretty neat, so I called the place and talked to a guy about them. He told me they came in cases of 54, so I ordered two cases. When I got them and started playing with them, I realized just how nice they were and ordered 18 more cases! They came on a frieght truck, on a pallet. That was pretty cool.

My first intention was to use them as full range drivers and make a single source line array. I made the panels you see. I measured the T/S parameters of a batch of speakers and came up with a good idea of the required box volume. I decided on a construction technique using ABS thick walled pipe, split in half for the panel edges. That determined the thickness, and I went to a full 36" for the width. I ended up with an internal volume that would be about 3 or 4 times bigger that what would effect the -3dB of the speakers.

I ran them full range for quite a while. They sounded really nice but they were a bit milky in the high end and they didn't have a strong low end. So I put an older pair of speakers I built behind them and used just the woofers. This was my first bi-amp system. I liked the control. I knew I had to add some woofers.

I had already done a neat trick with a really nice 8" woofer from MCM (55-1190). I used 4 of them in a cabinet in a dual isobaric design. So I updated that idea and put the woofers facing in opposite directions for less even order harmonic distortion.

Then, some time after that, I got a flyer from Parts Express. They were selling boxes of 200 tweeters! I ended up getting 2400 of them!

So, as you might have surmised, I have about 900 TV speakers and 2100 tweeters, in packing cartons in my house.

charmerci

Re: Who likes tri-amped line arrays!
« Reply #3 on: 13 Oct 2012, 03:42 am »
 :o :o :o

James Lehman

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Re: Who likes tri-amped line arrays!
« Reply #4 on: 13 Oct 2012, 05:34 am »
What?

The control is out of this world and the sound is like you have never heard.  :thumb:

All three bands are mono-pole radiators!

The max SPL is sick.  8)  :roll:
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doug s.

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Re: Who likes tri-amped line arrays!
« Reply #5 on: 13 Oct 2012, 04:15 pm »
james, please state the fact that you are a manufacturer in your signature and/or avatar.

thanks,

doug s.

James Lehman

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Re: Who likes tri-amped line arrays!
« Reply #6 on: 13 Oct 2012, 07:23 pm »
I manufactured the speakers that I own and have shown here.

Letitroll98

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Re: Who likes tri-amped line arrays!
« Reply #7 on: 13 Oct 2012, 07:45 pm »
We have a bit of a conundrum here, for James and others, please refer to http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=110569.0 for my solution.  James has a couple of threads started and is participating in a couple of others, so I'm bouncing back and forth a bit here.  Reference my solution on the other thread, this is an example of a hobbyist's page with no commercial implications.  The speaker isn't for sale and he hasn't linked any commercial sites, so it's within site guidelines for community circles.  If he follows my suggestions, this and the other pages will remain as is, except for some small changes I dictated.  If not, they're all going to Quarantine for Admin to cleanup.

Letitroll98

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Re: Who likes tri-amped line arrays!
« Reply #8 on: 13 Oct 2012, 07:48 pm »
Now, for the OP, these things are totally kewl!  The TV speakers are out of this world crazy,  how did you voice them with the "conventional" tweeters?   

James Lehman

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Re: Who likes tri-amped line arrays!
« Reply #9 on: 13 Oct 2012, 08:34 pm »
Thank you! :)

Not exactly sure what you are asking, but.... There is a perfect square number of drivers in the panels, 36 TV speakers and 49 tweeters. They are wired in series parallel so that each speaker gets an equal share of the power. The TV speakers are 8 ohms as is one single speaker and the tweeters are 6 ohms, again as is one single tweeter.

The woofers are 4 to a box. 2 fire inward and 2 fire out. They are also in series parallel, so each box is 8 ohms but the 2 boxes are in parallel for a 4 ohm load.

I'm currently using a Behringer 3 way analog active crossover at 24dB with no time delays or unusual EQ of any kind. I would like to get the Behringer digital crossover, but I just haven't gotten around to dropping $300 for it.

The best thing about tri-amping is the control. It doesn't matter what the relative efficiencies or impedances of the 3 stages are. And being able to tune the exact crossover points to the sweat spot is critical to getting the best sound.

James.  :)