Mains and Chasis Star Grounding in AKSA 100?

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gjfim

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Mains and Chasis Star Grounding in AKSA 100?
« on: 20 May 2004, 02:11 pm »
Hi all,
Can some someone please clarify for me star earth grounding scheme, for mains earth (power inlet earth) and chasis, in AKSA 100?  Instructions state "Join power cord Earth to the chasis only- do not join the chasis or power cord Earth to the Star Earth."

However, in a thread posted sometime ago, Hugh stated "Use star earth (STE) very carefully; ...chassis to STE, mains earth to STE. DO NOT DAISY CHAIN (connect in series) EARTHS."

Should I connect mains earth (power inlet earth) to chasis only, with no connection of mains earth with star earth, and no connection of chasis with star earth, or should I connect mains earth (power inlet earth) and chasis directly to star earth?

Thanks for your help.

Gary

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Mains and Chasis Star Grounding in AKSA 100?
« Reply #1 on: 20 May 2004, 03:11 pm »
Hi Gary,
Safety requires that mains earth be connected to the chassis (well connected, use a serious bolt, scrape off chassis paint, use lockwashers with teeth, and put a second nut on top of the first nut to lock the whole thing down tight... you don't want someone getting killed 20 years from now if the first nut should come loose).

Connection of star earth to chassis earth is optional... listen to it both ways and use what's most quiet.

If you want the Advanced Course on grounding and chassis noise, search for some of Ginger's posts here from several months (4-8???) ago.  I don't remember whether he was talking about the 100 or the 55 (doesn't matter).

good luck,
Peter

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« Reply #2 on: 20 May 2004, 05:54 pm »
Gary,

I originally did not connect the mains ground for my AKSA 55.  It worried me in case there was a serious problem as the shock potential from the case would be nasty.

Hugh rightly mentioned that such a wiring scheme would certainly not pass inspection.  So, I wired the mains ground to the chassis, taking care to scrape the paint off and ensure a good contact.

The star earth is not connected to mains ground or chassis.  Anyway, I get no obvious noise or hum from the amp and feel better knowing that I can touch the chassis with little risk of shock!

I am sure that similar things apply to the AKSA100.  I did also add a Monster PTC100 mains filtering strip-plug thingy (no there's a technical term).  It seemed to improve (lower) the noise floor.

Regards,
Charlie

gjfim

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Mains and Chasis Star Grounding in AKSA 100?
« Reply #3 on: 20 May 2004, 10:10 pm »
Hi Peter and Charlie,

Thanks for your replies.  I have taken your advise and wired power inlet earth directly to chasis.  I also separately wired star earth to chasis, at a point distant from power earth/chasis connection, as recommended in the post by Ginger.  This grounding scheme seems to work well.

Regards,
Gary

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« Reply #4 on: 20 May 2004, 10:37 pm »
Gary,

I came upon this post after the others;  many thanks to Peter and Charlie for answering your query so well.

Earthing would fill a book, and has done on several occasions.  There are extensive laws about it in Australia, Europe, and the US, and no-one seems to agree.  I thought I could evade this nonsense when I designed the power amplifiers and preamplifiers, but it seems impossible!    :oops:

The most important safety issue is mains earth to chassis.  Get that in place, wire it as though it's a circus trapeze supporting four people, and you (should)  be abiding by the law.

Then there is signal and star earth.

Star earth supports amp power grounds, speaker cold terminations, and transformer center taps.  These are all high current nodes, and they need a healthy termination equidistant from the reservoir/filter capacitors in the power supply.  The caps perform two functions, both crucial;  they filter the power supply ripple, but significantly, they serve as ground return for the speaker currents.

All these currents balance.  That is, by Kirchoff's Law, what goes in must come out.  So, taking account of direction, speaker currents, transformer currents, power amp module ground currents and filter cap currents all sum to precisely and exactly zero.  If this were not so, there would be a slow accretion of charge at the star earth, and eventually there would be a large arc to the chassis, a minor thunderbolt.  Of course, this never happens, so by conservation of charge (and energy) the sum of all currents at this node must be zero.

The final consideration is signal input ground.  This is a very low current node, because the input signal to the AKSA is tiny, and flows almost no current.  In fact, the peak current from a CD player into the AKSA is around 50 microamps, and if this ground is mixed up with the star earth where currents of the order of four amperes are flowing - 80,000 times as much again - there will inevitably be interference, which would of course be amplified and likely produce hum in step with the power supply operation.  So, to isolate this node, we ground lift it with a 10R resistor from amplifier ground (to keep it localized to its respective module), and hope that the heavier currents flowing at star earth at the power supply  do not in any way interact across this resistor with those at the signal earth.  This approach is widely used and very safe and effective, but there are other techniques, using capacitors and diodes.

Now, it happens that mains earth can often be noisy, since we share our mains earth with some very high current beasts;  particularly reactive loads like electric motors in washing machines, hair dryers, TV sets, arc welders, microwaves - the list is endless and does not even consider the many 1000 hp electric motors used widely in industry all around us.  Mains earth does not always have a flawless communication with planet earth, and consequently spikes and other peturbations can appear on mains earth which militate against a completely quiet voltage node.  In the world of medical electronics, where tiny currents are picked off the surface of the skin for EEGs and ECGs, such a noisy earth is verbotten - and not just because it might swamp the tiny signals we seek to recover and amplify for charting.  There is a remote possibilty of electric shock;  a counter productive outcome indeed for a sick patient!!    :nono:     So, much complex equipment, and particularly medical electronics, is double insulated, which means that the power supplies within them are fully isolated via a transformer and there is no direct connection between mains earth and device earth, which operates on the 'safe' side of the secondary of a small transformer, just as in the AKSA power amplifiers.  

So, the AKSA star earth need not be connected to mains earth, though chassis MUST by law be connected to mains earth.  However, in rare cases, you might just find that hum problems present using this regime;  so a judicious wire from star earth to chassis earth MIGHT scotch it.  The point is that you must test this empirically;  you can't really predict.  Most AKSA builders have found that star earth should not be connected to chassis earth for best hum performance, however, but YMMV.

I hope this gives the background to the earthing design on the AKSA.  In five years I've not seen fit to change it;  the amp is extremely quiet.

On another note, there are now quite a few Nirvana Plus upgrades out there, anyone had a good listen and would like to pass on their opinion of the improvements?   :wink:

Cheers,

Hugh

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Mains and Chasis Star Grounding in AKSA 100?
« Reply #5 on: 20 May 2004, 10:39 pm »
So where does that leave those of us with timber chassis'?

Or like me with a MDF sub chassis on which everything is placed that sits inside a metal case? There is no electrical connection to the metal case.

Oh and I'm pretty sure my star earth IS connected to the mains earth. And I've never had noise problems.

Or electrocuted myself.  Well.........not when playing with the AKSA anyway!! :oops:

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Mains and Chasis Star Grounding in AKSA 100?
« Reply #6 on: 20 May 2004, 10:51 pm »
Sean,

You are lucky;  you merely connect the heatsinks to mains earth, and you don't actually need to connect Star Earth to Mains Earth if you don't want to!!

However, in Australia we have a different earthing regime to the US;  our neutral connection for single phase 240Vac is actually earthed as well, and this makes mains earth quite a bit quieter than the States where, AFAIK, a multiphase balanced system is used, often without center tap to ground.

Cheers,

Hugh

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Mains and Chasis Star Grounding in AKSA 100?
« Reply #7 on: 22 May 2004, 01:03 am »
Thanks Hugh for your clear explanation of AKSA grounding.  After reading your post, I compared speaker hum with and without star ground connected to chassis (mains ground is connected to chassis, as you described it must be).  

Without star ground connected to chassis hum is low, but detectable with my ear almost touching the speaker (at listening distance, hum is not audible).  Connecting star ground to chassis reduces the sound level of hum.  The difference is easily detectable with my ear pressed up against speaker.  FWIW, I will keep star ground connected to chassis.

Thanks all for your responses.

Regards,
Gary

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Mains and Chasis Star Grounding in AKSA 100?
« Reply #8 on: 22 May 2004, 03:30 am »
In the olden-days when I used to build a lot more equipment (including Pro audio) I used to do the following.

On the back of the case near the power cord installed a DPST-centre off toggle switch. Then wire the switch so that the chassis (mains) earth was connected to the signal earth by either a direct connection, or a 0.1uF de-coupling cap, or not at all.
Using the gear with other equipment and in different environments was a matter of setting the earth connection/s to suit the particular combination of equipment and mains earthing environments. (nightmare in many pubs!)
More often that not the most successful was not connected, or one or more with the decoupling cap.

cheers,
N.