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The Commercial Zone => Audio Shows and Events => Topic started by: Bill Baker on 9 Jan 2007, 02:38 am
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I just heard from a few reps that The Show is pretty much dead this year? Or at least it was today.
I heard in the past that many of the reviewers were not going to bother with this show as much any more and concentrate mor eon shows like RMAF. Think this is a new trend?
I guess they are also having a problem with the voltage with spikes well over 130V at the wall.
Anyone else have any feedback today on how things are going?
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I thought the CES is not for general public? How can it not be dead? :lol:
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I would imagine this would be more for THE Show than CES as The SHow is where most of the Audio is.
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I have been checking the Gizmodo site...not an audio site but they are reporting very little audio - its all video and portable digital players and phones
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http://www.enjoythemusic.com/ces2007/
http://blog.stereophile.com/ces2007/
From the blog/Stereophile.....Interesting.... (http://www.sooloos.com/www/index.html)
http://www.soundstage2.com/lasvegas2007/
http://www.soundstage.com/backstage/backstage.htm
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Today was rather rough.
GES (CES's OWN shipping company) managed to Smash one crate,
drill it full of fork lift holes and store one of them upside down (Pallet on
bottom delivered on the top) destroy a preamplifier, other ancillary equipment and cause
undue stress. Venetian rooms are difficult to control sound wise but not
too bad. Doors will not close without locking so if you leave it open,
other rooms blasting away disrupt auditions of "normal level" Perhaps
some duct tape over the latch dog can keep it out of the strike plate and
people can come and go and the door can stay closed.
"Juice" is running rather high.
A HUGE Thanks to Bruce Jacobs and Mr. Tucker for helping us out
with our new found preamplifier problem. ( the smashing syndrome)
After this shipping snafu...we need all the help we can get...but
we have big tone and decent...predictable sound.
A HUGE thank you to David Belles who on the telephone helped us
in a grand way to get our system up to original luster.
On Track Audio
Room 29-230
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http://www.enjoythemusic.com/ces2007/
http://blog.stereophile.com/ces2007/
From the blog/Stereophile.....Interesting.... (http://www.sooloos.com/www/index.html)
http://www.soundstage2.com/lasvegas2007/
http://www.soundstage.com/backstage/backstage.htm
Sonic Flare will be starting coverage soon.....
http://www.sonicflare.com/
Ultimate AV coverage.....
http://blog.ultimateavmag.com/ces2007/
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This, from the EnjoyTheMusic THE show report, could explain a bit of the deadness:
Began today at T.H.E. Show (The Home Entertainment Show, an independent dedicated high-end event at the St. Tropez that operates at the same time as CEA's CES. The buzz is obviously about the new high-end audio venue for the CES (Venetian) and will the industry come across town to this show. As many of you recall, the previous CES venue was directly next to the St. Tropez. Another note of interest is the difference in pricing between the CES and T.H.E Show, with CES generally being two to three times (or more) the cost for the basic room. i could go on, but these are developing stories whose outcome/result is to be determined once both shows end.
So.. CES has a competing dedicated hi-end venue this year, and THE Show is no longer next door.
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Here is some additional show coverage:
http://www.audioxsell.com/community/events/3/Consumer-Electronics-Show-2007.htm
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So.. CES has a competing dedicated hi-end venue this year, and THE Show is no longer next door.
CES has always had a competing hi-end venue, had it before THE Show. Was always in a separate motel/hotel. In recent years, the Alexis Park (we were there last two years). However, since THE Show started, they always had it next door, convenient.
When we heard about the venue being changed to the Venetian and major increase in already high fees . . . we opted to do RMAF instead, and I'm glad we did!
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So.. CES has a competing dedicated hi-end venue this year, and THE Show is no longer next door.
CES has always had a competing hi-end venue, had it before THE Show. Was always in a separate motel/hotel. In recent years, the Alexis Park (we were there last two years). However, since THE Show started, they always had it next door, convenient.
When we heard about the venue being changed to the Venetian and major increase in already high fees . . . we opted to do RMAF instead, and I'm glad we did!
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I thik this is a new trend where more will be concentrating on RMAF and similar shows. From what I hear, THE SHOW sold only half the number of press passes as compared to RMAF this year.
CES is still a big show for those looking into technology updates for iPods and stuff. Plus the new iPhone was released by Apple. CES --- THE SHOW........ two different worlds.
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CES is still a big show for those looking into technology updates for iPods and stuff. Plus the new iPhone was released by Apple. CES --- THE SHOW........ two different worlds.
Not even iPods are at CES. Apple released the iPhone and other accessories during MacWorld 07 in San Francisco. Companies go to CES just be there with all the press, but it's too big and generic. I like specialized conferences that focus on one main topic like CEDIA for Home Theater, RMAF for audio, PMA and Photokina for cameras, Computex for computer components
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CES is huge, of course, the biggest show there is, I believe. T.H.E show was always a sort of step -child. With it no longer being next door to CES it might not do as well. I believe it has had more of a HT flavor than audio, as we think of it. ?
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http://www.enjoythemusic.com/ces2007/
http://blog.stereophile.com/ces2007/
From the blog/Stereophile.....Interesting.... (http://www.sooloos.com/www/index.html)
http://www.soundstage2.com/lasvegas2007/
http://www.soundstage.com/backstage/backstage.htm
Sonic Flare will be starting coverage soon.....
http://www.sonicflare.com/
Ultimate AV coverage.....
http://blog.ultimateavmag.com/ces2007/
And another report....Audio Federation......
http://www.audiofederation.com/hifiing/2007/CES2007/index.htm
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You know.....I'm kind of disappointed in all these reports from THE Show so far.
Reading them each night, and the only AC member mentioned so far is Dusty from Channel Islands....what about Dan (Modwright), or John (Bent), or Brian (VMPS), or Steve (EA)....let's get to those rooms...... :hyper:
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Agreed...the coverage is shitty.
Its like the High End section has gone AWOL. One of the supposed coverage was 10 pics of the board listing at the Venetian...pathetic.
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You know.....I'm kind of disappointed in all these reports from THE Show so far.
Reading them each night, and the only AC member mentioned so far is Dusty from Channel Islands....what about Dan (Modwright), or John (Bent), or Brian (VMPS), or Steve (EA)....let's get to those rooms...... :hyper:
Don't be disappointed...hopefully the worse the CES show gets, the high-end audio vendors will instead focus on RMAF, so we shall have better RMAF for years to come.. :drool:
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Agreed...the coverage is shitty.
Its like the High End section has gone AWOL. One of the supposed coverage was 10 pics of the board listing at the Venetian...pathetic.
Yeah....They keep flashing all the high buck stuff....60G's, 80G's, 100G's...no wonder others think audiophiles are crazy..... :roll:
I do see the IPod coming along, and drawing in newbee's with the different equipment to draw them in to Hi-Fi.......plug your IPod into this, and add it to your system.... 8)
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Yes Barry....RMAF is THE SHOW NOT TO BE MISSED......... :thumb:
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Yes Barry....RMAF is THE SHOW NOT TO BE MISSED......... :thumb:
IS IT OCTOBER YET?
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Yes Barry....RMAF is THE SHOW NOT TO BE MISSED......... :thumb:
IS IT OCTOBER YET?
I wish.....
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Well, I'm going to Denver on Friday....to the airport on my way to Cancun :thumb:
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Yes Barry....RMAF is THE SHOW NOT TO BE MISSED......... :thumb:
Agreed, it will likely be the only show we do this year, heck maybe we'll have our birthday party there! :D
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Just got back from CES this morning and uploaded some pictures...just ran out of my storage quota on AC, so I'm going to go back and delete some of the photos from my other galleries to get the rest of them loaded:
http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?action=gallery;area=browse;album=935
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I like looks of the Focus Master 2.5.
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I like looks of the Focus Master 2.5.
If you want a pair, I'll give you a good deal... :wink:
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Only if they make a matching center channel and surrounds Phil. :lol:
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Thanks for the photo's Phil !! :thumb:
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Only if they make a matching center channel and surrounds Phil. :lol:
What? You mean you wouldn't want the same speaker for all 5 channels??? :scratch: :lol:
(btw - all their speakers are offered in the piano black finish, and they do have a center channel...)
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Thanks for the photo's Phil !! :thumb:
I've got a ton more pictures (including some really funky car audio stuff!), but as mentioned, I've run out of my disk quota on AC...am working on putting pictures up somewhere else...
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Those horns are radical. They look huge. I hate to say it, but I think the Cayin tube radio looks cool. Too bad I can't stand most radio.
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I like that Accuphase/Avalon set-up. Would look real nice in my house.
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I like looks of the Focus Master 2.5.
I listened to them at CES 2006. They dont just look good. I though the room it shared with Vitus Audio was my top 5 favorite at the time.
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Ok, I've loaded all of my pictures to here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/91042553@N00/sets/72157594474140474/
I was only at the show for 2 days to cover both CES and THE Show, and I only went to a portion of the exhibit rooms...
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Dead?
I just rolled in from Vegas and I'm exhausted.
While THE Show might have been dead for some, the VMPS Room was Packed almost every second.
It wore me out. :?
I did hear from other rooms that the turnout was slim. When I would take a second and stick my head out the door they looked deserted.
I have no idea where all are visitors came from but it was great to see everyone and sorry I couldn't spend more time with people.
It was without a doubt our best show, and showing to date.
I think we had almost every reviewer I've ever heard of in. (some a couple times)
Got to hear a load of new cuts and made a lot of new friends.
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John.....Take any photo's ? :hyper:
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Great shot Phil
(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/127/354307496_3f1415eece.jpg?v=0.jpg)
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John.....Take any photo's ? :hyper:
Hi Chris,
I didn't, but hundreds were taken, so I would assume they should show up soon.
In fact I finally met Phil (Hi Phil nice talking too you) and I think he took a few pics.
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Oh Yeah!
(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/153/354307377_3d7094f910.jpg?v=0.jpg)
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Dead?
I just rolled in from Vegas and I'm exhausted.
While THE Show might have been dead for some, the VMPS Room was Packed almost every second.
This was absolutely true. A lot of the rooms and hallways were pretty empty, but walking into the VMPS/Audience room, it was standing-room only. A very good-sounding room!
John, it was good to finally meet you in person! 8)
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The girl is nice.. but for some reason, I just can't stand the type of shoes she's wearing - spice girls shoes - I've lost my apetite.. :?
Great shot Phil
(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/127/354307496_3f1415eece.jpg?v=0.jpg)
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Hi Everyoine,
Great photos Phil!
Ok, read all five pages here and think my show during writings and recent editorial ( http://www.enjoythemusic.com/magazine/viewpoint/0107/ces_2007_the_show.htm ) pretty much sums it up for me. Yes, with the CES' Venetian being far away from THE Show's St Tropez many of us within the industry were curious as to the results. It appears both shows were a sucess on various levels.
Of course the RMAF is a great show, no doubt about it. While it is no CES, where a manufacturer can hopefully get quite a few new international distributors, the RMAF is a great place to meet people and conduct some business. CES / THE Show draws in a stagger amount of people (140,000+), all of which **should** be within the industry. Of course the RMAF is a public event mainly, yet without a doubt in my mind the best American public show available.
Anywho, just my humble 2 Yen. Hope you guys enjoyed the coverage. Please remember i posted separate show reports for the CES and THE Show. Because each event is different, it is only fair to do the same in reporting IMO.
CES = http://www.enjoythemusic.com/ces2007/
THE SHow = http://www.enjoythemusic.com/the_show2007/
(Said in humor) Oh, and Phil you missed the AVM show :drool: at the Sands??? i'd post pics from it but, well... i'd need to see the ID of everyone on this discussion board :green:
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(Said in humor) Oh, and Phil you missed the AVM show :drool: at the Sands??? i'd post pics from it but, well... i'd need to see the ID of everyone on this discussion board :green:
Hi Steve,
AVM Show ehh? I thought you seemed like you were in a hurry to get some place when you dropped in aa
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(Said in humor) Oh, and Phil you missed the AVM show :drool: at the Sands??? i'd post pics from it but, well... i'd need to see the ID of everyone on this discussion board :green:
I did in fact miss the AVN show this year :cry:. But yes, even if I did go and take pictures, I think there are other kinds of forums that would be more appropriate for posting the pictures (although I'm sure the appreciation level would be just as good here) :lol:
Btw Steve...any favorites from the show?
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Btw Steve...any favorites from the show?
Yes, the AVM show :wink:
Ok, seriously, my fave part of the show was the after hours party at NFS Audio (Not For Sale Audio). Free-flowing drinks, pizza, and i met the President of Shelby motors, who after much discussion it appears they want me to run a few cars on their private test track in Nevada. As for audio, many good things and really decided to not do an all-out show report and, instead, focus on many of what was my fave things at the show. Maybe i am getting old, or perhaps a bit wise after 100+ shows, yet realize it is better to report on things i truly love or find interesting rather than just run around and take a kabillion photos to cover everything. This way i spend more time on what i like and pass by what is of little interest to me. Of course i am sure i missed seeing some things, as BOTH SHOWS are large and am only one guy who wears many hats.
Maybe next CES they'll have a human cloning machine... four times the show goodies with half the effort! i could go for that! :)
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THE SHOW is alive and almost well with many innovative audiophile companies. It did have less traffic and fewer manufacturers this year. THE SHOW has a friendly atmosphere as opposed to the Venetian’s cold, corporate, buttoned-up feel. The rent-a-cops were everywhere, even guarding the stairwells to discourage one from walking up four flights of stairs.
CES killed their yucky hamburger lunch since moving out of Alexis Park, so one can buy from the venues at the Venetian. THE SHOW improved their lunch offering and varied it daily.
THE SHOW provided a van shuttle to the Casino Royale next to the Venetian. The van was out front at the Saint Tropez, but would be difficult to find from the Venetian. There was a fight for elevators at the Venetian to get to the 29+ floors. Imagine what it was like for the manufacturers who all get off at the same time. In addition, there were no public restrooms on the high-rise demo floors.
Manufacturers at the Venetian complained about not being allowed to remove (on threat of being kicked-out) a large TV center that blocked their sound and/or limited the seating.
THE SHOW still operated from 9am to 6pm, while the Venetian started at 8am, closing at 5pm. I suppose CES did this to discourage people from going to THE SHOW, but it worked against them as the Las Vegas Convention Center operated from 9am to 6pm. I showed up at the Venetian at 8am on the second day of CES and most of the rooms were locked.
Finally, THE SHOW has the respite of the NFS Audio (Not For Sale Audio) where one can stop in for a beer, water or wine. However, if you need your mouth and throat burned, the two residing immunologists who run the suite will administer a 190-proof anis flavored liqueur.
I do hope THE SHOW survives.
Although it wasn’t my main objective as a dealer, I took about 40 pictures, which I am uploading to my website:
Cranehometheater.com
Please come and visit us!
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We also have a fair amount of images and show reports... and we got a bunch of shots of John's room! Yeah CES was way different this year...
Dave Clark
www.positive-feedback.com