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Audio/Video Gear and Systems => Tube-o-phile Circle => Topic started by: Kw6 on 19 Jul 2021, 02:01 am

Title: Need new tube amp!
Post by: Kw6 on 19 Jul 2021, 02:01 am
Hi Everyone,

Can someone suggest a poor man's Jadis JA 30 MkII mono blocks? So far I can think of Quick Silver or Tsakiridis Apollon monos! Also prefer El34!

Thanks!
Title: Re: Need new tube amp!
Post by: FullRangeMan on 19 Jul 2021, 02:40 am
Hi Everyone,

Can someone suggest a poor man's Jadis JA 30 MkII mono blocks? So far I can think of Quick Silver or Tsakiridis Apollon monos! Also prefer El34!

Thanks!
If you remove the nice OPT the Jadis are a poor man amp, other parts are regular quality, commercial amps alway are a compromisse.
Title: Re: Need new tube amp!
Post by: Kw6 on 19 Jul 2021, 02:52 am
Yeah I'm jealous of their OPT. Any suggestions? I want better than Prima Luna which is good ☺️
Title: Re: Need new tube amp!
Post by: FullRangeMan on 19 Jul 2021, 03:26 am
Well the best is a point of view, for EL34 SE my personal taste could be the Dennis Had Inspire which you can choose the transformers before hand if a few Watts fit your speakers, for PP I will refrain to offer suggestion.
Title: Re: Need new tube amp!
Post by: mresseguie on 19 Jul 2021, 04:26 am
How does this look?

reisong a10 el34 hi-fi audio stereo tube amplifier $449 [Oddly, I couldn’t get the link to copy on my phone.] 

It’s sold on Amazon.com. The parts are from China, but they’re assembled by a guy (an engineer) in Taiwan. He’s quite well known in the Taiwanese audiophile community. I haven’t heard his amps, but Ashgar seems happy with his 300b amp that he recently purchased. Check with him if you’re curious.

Michael
Title: Re: Need new tube amp!
Post by: jjss49 on 19 Jul 2021, 04:49 am
Hi Everyone,

Can someone suggest a poor man's Jadis JA 30 MkII mono blocks? So far I can think of Quick Silver or Tsakiridis Apollon monos! Also prefer El34!

Thanks!

how poor is the poor man's budget?
Title: Re: Need new tube amp!
Post by: tull skull on 19 Jul 2021, 09:31 am
Yeah I'm jealous of their OPT. Any suggestions? I want better than Prima Luna which is good ☺️

Which Prima Luna? there are 4 tiers of upgrades, you know? Are you talking about better but less than a Prima Luna? That will be tough, I think. Maybe different in areas you like more?

Tyson really likes an EL34 kit from tubes4hifi. Maybe he will check in. I think it is an integrated.

How about Raven?

Zesto?

Radu Tarta could build you something or he might have a kit you could DIY.

Min from tubeaudiolab.com has several killer kits and can build you anything you can think of but favors SET.

Line Magnetic? Maybe Doge would be of interest?

I can go nuts and mention Einstein or Tube guru? Just messin' with ya now:)

Did you mention your speakers?
Title: Re: Need new tube amp!
Post by: mick wolfe on 19 Jul 2021, 02:59 pm
Quicksilver Mid-Mono's?
Title: Re: Need new tube amp!
Post by: jtcf on 19 Jul 2021, 03:31 pm
Used pair of Quicksilver mid monos at TMR(the music room)
Title: Re: Need new tube amp!
Post by: opnly bafld on 19 Jul 2021, 03:53 pm
Used pair of Quicksilver mid monos at TMR(the music room)

IMO they are asking too much, the older led bias version usually sells for under $1500. New ones are $1995 black covers and $2219 for chrome.
I sold a very nice pair last December for $1200 shipped and a have seen several others sell for that or a little more.
Title: Re: Need new tube amp!
Post by: abd1 on 19 Jul 2021, 03:56 pm
I have a Mastersound EL34 integrated not being used I could sell. I also have a pair of Sofia Electric 91-01 monoblocks that are practically new I might be willing to sell as well. They're great but I'm moving in 2 months and just thinking of selling stuff instead of moving it and then rebuilding my system once I'm in the new place. I've also been super busy with work and having to travel more so I'm having less time to listen. PM me if interested.
Title: Re: Need new tube amp!
Post by: opnly bafld on 19 Jul 2021, 04:00 pm
+1 for Raven
Willsenton R8 or Line Magnetic (already mentioned) if you don't mind well built Chinese.
Icon Audio is another option.
Title: Re: Need new tube amp!
Post by: Delta77 on 19 Jul 2021, 04:08 pm
(Kw6)
Gonna need to know what speakers your planning on running with them or it's all just a guess..!!
 Right Guys..??
Title: Re: Need new tube amp!
Post by: Tubeburner on 19 Jul 2021, 04:39 pm
Check out Decware. Very nice sounding amp and good bass.
Title: Re: Need new tube amp!
Post by: opnly bafld on 19 Jul 2021, 04:45 pm
(Kw6)
Gonna need to know what speakers your planning on running with them or it's all just a guess..!!
 Right Guys..??

He already mentioned 45 watts, I'm assuming he knows his needs.
http://www.jadis-electronics.com/en/ja30-mkii-33.php
Title: Re: Need new tube amp!
Post by: opnly bafld on 19 Jul 2021, 04:46 pm
Check out Decware. Very nice sounding amp and good bass.

I would have mentioned them, but there is a 7 month wait and used sells fast.
Title: Re: Need new tube amp!
Post by: twitch54 on 19 Jul 2021, 05:18 pm
Rogue M180 mono blocks perhaps ?
Title: Re: Need new tube amp!
Post by: djbnh on 20 Jul 2021, 11:10 am
How does this look?

reisong a10 el34 hi-fi audio stereo tube amplifier $449 [Oddly, I couldn’t get the link to copy on my phone.] 

It’s sold on Amazon.com. The parts are from China, but they’re assembled by a guy (an engineer) in Taiwan. He’s quite well known in the Taiwanese audiophile community. I haven’t heard his amps, but Ashgar seems happy with his 300b amp that he recently purchased. Check with him if you’re curious.

Michael
FYI - Ad copy for this amp says, "Please confirm that your speaker is a bookshelf speakers with a sensitivity 89db or more. We don't think Reisong A10 work well with a floorstanding Speaker or the low sensitivity speakers."
Link (https://www.amazon.com/BOYUU-Hi-Fi-Stereo-Amplifier-Single-end/dp/B07L4GL63N)
Title: Re: Need new tube amp!
Post by: mresseguie on 20 Jul 2021, 02:57 pm
FYI - Ad copy for this amp says, "Please confirm that your speaker is a bookshelf speakers with a sensitivity 89db or more. We don't think Reisong A10 work well with a floorstanding Speaker or the low sensitivity speakers."
Link (https://www.amazon.com/BOYUU-Hi-Fi-Stereo-Amplifier-Single-end/dp/B07L4GL63N)

Good information. However, Kw6 has still not declared which speakers he intends to use with his amp(s). It would be very helpful to know this.
Title: Re: Need new tube amp!
Post by: opnly bafld on 20 Jul 2021, 03:30 pm
Good information. However, Kw6 has still not declared which speakers he intends to use with his amp(s). It would be very helpful to know this.


Martin Logan I think.
https://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=177229.msg1865451#msg1865451
Title: Re: Need new tube amp!
Post by: mresseguie on 20 Jul 2021, 03:42 pm

Martin Logan I think.
https://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=177229.msg1865451#msg1865451

Thanks for the link.  :thumb:  I wasn't aware of that thread. The Reisong amp isn't appropriate for his needs then.
Title: Re: Need new tube amp!
Post by: Kw6 on 20 Jul 2021, 04:36 pm
Thanks for everyone's replies! Yes my speakers are the Martin Logan motion ESL! To update you I decided to go with Prima Luna Evo 300 power amp. That was my max budget. I wish I could have gotten mono blocks like Jadis😢 but no beuno! I just prefer the extra sense of presence of what tubes can do accurate or not! Audio circle forums are so helpful and full of knowledgeable people! I will soliciting suggestions for best cheap 12au7 tubes next!👏😃
Title: Re: Need new tube amp!
Post by: twitch54 on 20 Jul 2021, 05:09 pm
Thanks for everyone's replies! Yes my speakers are the Martin Logan motion ESL! To update you I decided to go with Prima Luna Evo 300 power amp. That was my max budget. I wish I could have gotten mono blocks like Jadis😢 but no beuno! I just prefer the extra sense of presence of what tubes can do accurate or not! Audio circle forums are so helpful and full of knowledgeable people! I will soliciting suggestions for best cheap 12au7 tubes next!👏😃

Congrats but you had me confused, thought you were looking for power amp(s) not an integrated ? so, did you get the power amp or the integrated ?

Regardless , don't go tube rolling crazy until you have had time to listen and digest what came with the Evo, you need to establish a benchmark for your ears !
Title: Re: Need new tube amp!
Post by: tull skull on 20 Jul 2021, 05:15 pm
Hey don't fret. That integrated is as dual mono as you can get minus the two power cords. :thumb:
Title: Re: Need new tube amp!
Post by: /mp on 20 Jul 2021, 05:55 pm
... don't go tube rolling crazy until you have had time to listen and digest what came with the Evo, you need to establish a benchmark for your ears !

+1
Title: Re: Need new tube amp!
Post by: FullRangeMan on 20 Jul 2021, 07:56 pm
There is floor standing speakers with hi efficiency  :scratch:
Title: Re: Need new tube amp!
Post by: Kw6 on 22 Jul 2021, 05:18 am
Congrats but you had me confused, thought you were looking for power amp(s) not an integrated ? so, did you get the power amp or the integrated ?

Regardless , don't go tube rolling crazy until you have had time to listen and digest what came with the Evo, you need to establish a benchmark for your ears !

The Primaluna is the Evo 300 power amp! I will be using it with the Conrad Johnson Et3se! My best 12au7 is the Mullard CV4003 but that's the only pair I have. Looking later for a similar tube. Don't feel like paying $150 for one tube.I bought mine many yrs ago for around $40 each.
Title: Re: Need new tube amp!
Post by: Kw6 on 22 Jul 2021, 05:20 am
+1

No I will wait a bit! Hopefully I will get amp within two weeks!
Title: Re: Need new tube amp!
Post by: Kw6 on 7 Aug 2021, 07:12 pm
Hey guys!

I read 6c33c has same electrical parameters as a big Triode 845 except one has a better damping factor. Do they both sound the same from mids to highs?
Title: Re: Need new tube amp!
Post by: FullRangeMan on 7 Aug 2021, 07:47 pm
Hey guys!

I read 6c33c has same electrical parameters as a big Triode 845 except one has a better damping factor. Do they both sound the same from mids to highs?
No this is the GM70, except the 20V heater.
Title: Re: Need new tube amp!
Post by: strateahed on 7 Aug 2021, 11:53 pm
It's not EL34, but here's one that Tyson gave really high praise. It's actually EL84 based, like Decware's Zen Triode. Cost is very reasonable and worth a look: https://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=167568.0

Happy Listening!
Title: Re: Need new tube amp!
Post by: Kw6 on 9 Aug 2021, 03:43 am
No this is the GM70, except the 20V heater.

Ok gotcha! Thanks again! GM tubes cheap but the amps are still expensive!
Title: Re: Need new tube amp!
Post by: Kw6 on 9 Aug 2021, 03:45 am
It's not EL34, but here's one that Tyson gave really high praise. It's actually EL84 based, like Decware's Zen Triode. Cost is very reasonable and worth a look: https://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=167568.0

Happy Listening!

I never tried EL84. Those tubes look small so subconsciously I'm think the sound is lightweight not tonally rich like a big Triode like 211, 805 & 845!
Title: Re: Need new tube amp!
Post by: Tyson on 9 Aug 2021, 05:47 am
I never tried EL84. Those tubes look small so subconsciously I'm think the sound is lightweight not tonally rich like a big Triode like 211, 805 & 845!

I thought so too, but I was wrong.  The EL84 is just as big and rich sounding as any SET amp, when it's done well.