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Title: The New DAC-9x is now shipping
Post by: John Casler on 15 Nov 2021, 06:55 pm
The New DAC-9x is now shipping

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https://nuprimeaudio.com/product/dac-9x/?v=7516fd43adaa
Title: Re: The New DAC-9x is now shipping
Post by: Adalbert on 16 Nov 2021, 05:22 pm
Does it have a similar amount of tube-like warmth as dac-9 and dac-9se?
Title: Re: The New DAC-9x is now shipping
Post by: rustydoglim on 17 Nov 2021, 09:09 pm
It is not as warmth as DAC-9 or 9SE, but overall it is better sounding.
Title: Re: The New DAC-9x is now shipping
Post by: davidk1 on 1 Dec 2021, 12:31 am
I have questions about DAC-9x.

1. Does DAC-9x support MQA over coaxial?

2. I'm using alita currently. How does DAC-9x sound compared to alita? Is it more clear, sharper side?
Title: Re: The New DAC-9x is now shipping
Post by: Relayer_CR on 24 Dec 2021, 06:13 pm
Hi I want to make a choice between DAC-9X or Alita.  My interest is to replace an old Pre Parasound and an old DAC Cambridge Audio (851D, it was a $1500 Cambridge top of line).  I have a very good headphone amp, so this would be a secondary feature for me.

I like detailed sounds, with good definition, I like soundstage, image is important, I like not fatiguing and natural or real sound.  My music preferences are jazz (60%), progressive rock (20%) and classical music (10%).  I prefer lossless files, 16 and 24 bit.

I appreciate an advice!  Thanx!

Title: Re: The New DAC-9x is now shipping
Post by: rustydoglim on 26 Dec 2021, 06:15 pm
1. Does DAC-9x support MQA over coaxial?
2. I'm using alita currently. How does DAC-9x sound compared to alita? Is it more clear, sharper side?

MQA is only available from computer or streaming, so answer to 1 is No.
DAC-9X uses ESS chip which is clear and neutral.  Alita uses AKM chip which sounded warmer.
Title: Re: The New DAC-9x is now shipping
Post by: rustydoglim on 26 Dec 2021, 06:17 pm
Hi I want to make a choice between DAC-9X or Alita.  My interest is to replace an old Pre Parasound and an old DAC Cambridge Audio (851D, it was a $1500 Cambridge top of line).  I have a very good headphone amp, so this would be a secondary feature for me.

I like detailed sounds, with good definition, I like soundstage, image is important, I like not fatiguing and natural or real sound.  My music preferences are jazz (60%), progressive rock (20%) and classical music (10%).  I prefer lossless files, 16 and 24 bit.

I appreciate an advice!  Thanx!

Since you already have a good headphone amp, based on your music and sound preference, you should go for DAC-9X.
Title: Re: The New DAC-9x is now shipping
Post by: jjss49 on 26 Dec 2021, 11:45 pm

MQA is only available from computer or streaming, so answer to 1 is No.
DAC-9X uses ESS chip which is clear and neutral.  Alita uses AKM chip which sounded warmer.

rusty - would you please clarify/confirm -- a streamer such as the popular bluesound node (among others) will deliver a digital bitstream over its coax spdif output into a downstream dac streamed from tidal -- will this new nuprime dac not properly and fully decode/unfold such a stream bearing mqa content if fed into its rca digital input?   thanks in advance for your reply
Title: Re: The New DAC-9x is now shipping
Post by: rustydoglim on 31 Dec 2021, 07:32 pm
I can't say if all the commercial DAC, but a majority of them uses the USB communication chip (XMOS) to do the MQA unfolding.
The DAC chips themself (AKM, ESS) don't decode MQA. Therefore only the USB input supports MQA.
Title: Re: The New DAC-9x is now shipping
Post by: JamesVN on 28 Feb 2022, 01:08 pm
Regarding the front panel mounted variable/fixed switch on the Dac-9x, could this be clarified in terms of function and use?  If the Dac-9x is utilized to directly drive amps as NP intended, such as driving 2xAMG STA (bridged), the variable setting will obviously prevail.  However, would the fixed setting be preferred for the Dac-9x driving an AMG PRA?  Does the fixed setting effectively bypass the DAC-9x pre-amp stage, or does it just run it at 100% volume, with volume control then provided by separate analog PRA?  Lastly, how would you assess the overall sonic performance of the Dac-9x, both with or without the AMG PRA, again driving 2xAMG STA (bridged)?  Thanks. 
Title: Re: The New DAC-9x is now shipping
Post by: John Casler on 28 Feb 2022, 09:34 pm
Very simply, the "fixed" selection removes the Volume Control and the DAC-9x acts as a stand alone DAC.  The "variable" selection runs the signal through the Volume Control and the DAC-9x acts as a DAC/Preamp.

I have users with that very combination (DAC-9x > AMG PRA > Dual STA-9x) and unless they are using the headphone section of the DAC-9x, use the "FIXED" selection.
Title: Re: The New DAC-9x is now shipping
Post by: JamesVN on 1 Mar 2022, 12:36 am
Thank you for your informative response.  To clarify, in "fixed" setting, the volume control is bypassed and the DAC-9x operates as a standalone DAC.  Does this action then effectively bypass the DAC-9x's pre-amp section?  Also, could you provide comment on the sonic comparison between using DAC-9x (fixed) + AMG PRA + 2x AMG STA versus the DAC-9x (variable) + 2x AMG STA.  Thank you.
Title: Re: The New DAC-9x is now shipping
Post by: rustydoglim on 3 Mar 2022, 04:06 pm
Regarding the volume control being "bypass", this is a concept that does not apply to modern DAC design.
Here's why: 
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https://nuprimeaudio.com/ufaqs/what-kind-of-volume-control-and-preamp-do-you-use-for-your-dac/
Mainly, volume control is a digital function (no point using analog volume control if your input is digital, for a state of the art DAC, the digital volume  control does a better job). The analog volume control is only needed when the input is analog (if using A2D, then analog volume control is absolutely not required).

So the main issue regarding the fixed volume versus variable volume is implementation, which I have to find out from the engineer.
I think you want to use the fixed volume control only
1) if you have a very good preamp that you must use.  For example, you have a high end turntable system and preamp so digital music is only secondary to you
2) You need to have AMG PRA to fine tune your bookshelf speaker.
So if your primary music source is digital and your speaker is quite neutral and easy to drive, then go with DAC-9X + 2 x AMG STA
Title: Re: The New DAC-9x is now shipping
Post by: KLH007 on 7 Mar 2022, 04:40 am
I thought we were referring to the variable/fixed switch on the DAC-9X? The DAC-9X has an analog resistor ladder volume control, not digital. JamesVN's question asks if the fixed position bypasses the preamp circuit and the analog volume control?
Title: Re: The New DAC-9x is now shipping
Post by: rustydoglim on 7 Mar 2022, 07:39 pm
I thought we were referring to the variable/fixed switch on the DAC-9X? The DAC-9X has an analog resistor ladder volume control, not digital. JamesVN's question asks if the fixed position bypasses the preamp circuit and the analog volume control?

Analog or digital is depending on the inputs. Digital volume control output ended up not getting adjusted. Analog input goes through adjustment, but last stage is nearly identical. Don't get too hung up on the design, the FAQ explained how volume control is designed.
Title: Re: The New DAC-9x is now shipping
Post by: rustydoglim on 9 Mar 2022, 10:44 pm
Noise problem with BlueSound streamer when switching music format from 44.1 to 48kHz – DAC-9X did not anticipate that Bluesound’s clock changed in the middle of the switch and therefore produced noise during the switch. User can update DAC-9X firmware to resolve this problem.
The instruction is on https://nuprimeaudio.com/product/dac-9x/ (https://nuprimeaudio.com/product/dac-9x/) "Manual & Firmware Update" tab.
Title: Re: The New DAC-9x is now shipping
Post by: Adalbert on 4 Jun 2022, 06:50 am
Regarding the volume control being "bypass", this is a concept that does not apply to modern DAC design.
Here's why:  Mainly, volume control is a digital function (no point using analog volume control if your input is digital, for a state of the art DAC, the digital volume  control does a better job). The analog volume control is only needed when the input is analog (if using A2D, then analog volume control is absolutely not required).

So the main issue regarding the fixed volume versus variable volume is implementation, which I have to find out from the engineer.
I think you want to use the fixed volume control only
1) if you have a very good preamp that you must use.  For example, you have a high end turntable system and preamp so digital music is only secondary to you
2) You need to have AMG PRA to fine tune your bookshelf speaker.
So if your primary music source is digital and your speaker is quite neutral and easy to drive, then go with DAC-9X + 2 x AMG STA

Hi,
what happens if somebody (like a child) accidentally switches from 'variable' to 'fixed' when the DAC is connected directly to a power amp? Should not the switch be located in the back? That is not something one changes frequently enough to have it so easily accessible.
Title: Re: The New DAC-9x is now shipping
Post by: rustydoglim on 4 Jun 2022, 06:54 pm
On hindsight the switch should be at the back. But then audiophiles would most likely hide their high-end components away from a child.  A child can also pull the cables, poke at speaker's tweeters, do any number of unpredictable things  :scratch:
By the way, production speakers can handle max volume, however loud it might be.
Title: Re: The New DAC-9x is now shipping
Post by: zappan on 12 Jul 2023, 09:07 am
I've spoken with my dealer who is quite amazed by the DAC-9X. I've personally heard the DAC-9 and the DAC-10 - how would DAC-9X compare to those two, mainly to the DAC-10 (as there is already a brief comparison to DAC-9/9SE above in this thread)?

Thanks
Title: Re: The New DAC-9x is now shipping
Post by: mresseguie on 12 Jul 2023, 02:55 pm
I placed an order for the DAC-9X last night, and hope to receive it next week. [A big high five   :thumb: to John Casler for handling my Nuprime orders over the years!] I’ll pair it with my Evolution STA. I may eventually purchase a separate preamp for this system, but plan to <for now> use the DAC-9X as DAC and preamp.

While I have heard both the DAC-9 and DAC-10, it’s been a few years since I heard either (so take any comparison I offer with a grain of salt).

Michael
Title: Re: The New DAC-9x is now shipping
Post by: AllanS on 13 Jul 2023, 02:21 am
I may eventually purchase a separate preamp for this system, but plan to <for now> use the DAC-9X as DAC and preamp.
Do you have any preamps in mind?  As I contemplate the next moves I really struggle with pre amps.  My biggest hang up is wanting to separate DAC and preamp functions.
Title: Re: The New DAC-9x is now shipping
Post by: mresseguie on 13 Jul 2023, 06:23 pm
Good morning, Allan.

Thanks for asking. Well, I've spent the better part of a year reading people's recommendations, watching untold numbers of YT videos, and asking people their opinions, and I've decided I spend too much time worrying about making a poor decision.  :lol: This system is not my main system, but I still want great music (and audio for TV). This DAC and an eventual preamp will be solid state; won't generate much heat, and will be easy to operate. My wife is a technophobe, so this system will remain 'always on' and must be easy to operate.

I'll very likely choose a Nuprime preamp. My audiophile addiction imp tells me I ought to buy the AMG PRA, but my common sense imp tells me the PRA-9X will more than suffice. Additionally, in all the years I've owned Nuprime gear, I have not experienced a single failure. However, if (or when?) I do someday experience a failure, I know how to generate a repair ticket on Nuprime's website. Over the years, I've developed a lot of respect for Jason's engineers/mad scientists. They have made some excellent products over the years.

Thoughts or comments?

Michael
Title: Re: The New DAC-9x is now shipping
Post by: AllanS on 14 Jul 2023, 02:26 am
I've decided I spend too much time worrying about making a poor decision.  :lol:

Hi Michael,
  Thanks much.  I don’t have much for thought or comments but very much appreciate yours.  I got a real laugh out of that one - only because it is too close to the truth!
  For reasons I can’t exactly put my finger on, I find the NuPrime amplifiers particularly compelling.  Maybe it’s because they approach Class D in their own way.  Whatever, your experience gives me reason look more closely at the rest of the line up.
Thanks again,
Allan
Title: Re: The New DAC-9x is now shipping
Post by: rustydoglim on 18 Jul 2023, 06:04 pm
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I'll very likely choose a Nuprime preamp. My audiophile addiction imp tells me I ought to buy the AMG PRA, but my common sense imp tells me the PRA-9X will more than suffice.

Even though PRA-9X is in the 9 series, performance-wise, it is in the same league as AMG PRA.  These two preamps serve different purposes.
AMG PRA allows you to do some matching with amps and speakers, and if you don't need that, go with PRA-9X.

Since this thread is about DAC-9X, the perfect matching component would be the new IA-9X, which is an effective combination of STA-9X and PRA-9X.
Title: Re: The New DAC-9x is now shipping
Post by: zappan on 18 Jul 2023, 09:55 pm
I've spoken with my dealer who is quite amazed by the DAC-9X. I've personally heard the DAC-9 and the DAC-10 - how would DAC-9X compare to those two, mainly to the DAC-10 (as there is already a brief comparison to DAC-9/9SE above in this thread)?

Thanks

People have “stolen” the topic a bit, so I’ll repeat my question on DACs comparison: 9 vs 9x vs 10 (mainly 9x vs 10)
Thanks
Title: Re: The New DAC-9x is now shipping
Post by: rustydoglim on 19 Jul 2023, 09:06 am
DAC-9 has been discontinued because, at that time, it used AKM chip and the factory burned down. After that we decided to switch to ESS chip and came out with DAC-9X. 

Since DAC-9X is a new design, it has more features and better performance than DAC-9.

DAC-10, even though it was a very "old" design, the goal was to design a DAC with exceptional power (2 levels of gains). It is very detailed and neutral, suitable for classical music.
Title: Re: The New DAC-9x is now shipping
Post by: NV on 29 Jul 2023, 03:46 pm
Hello,
5 stars for DAC 9-X by the famous What Hi-FI ? magazine !

https://www.whathifi.com/reviews/nuprime-dac-9x

Title: Re: The New DAC-9x is now shipping
Post by: swifri on 29 Dec 2023, 07:12 am
My favorite (german) nerd audio podcast posted a brilliant review of ia-9x (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpIljo4Ebm8) & dac-9x (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hk6cHydQt-U) these days. This YT channel is usually focused on analog audio & audio principles, so its warm recommendations of both devices is noteworthy.