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Industry Circles => Bryston Limited => Topic started by: audio.bill on 28 Dec 2015, 08:06 pm
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According to Mono & Stereo Bryston will be announcing their new SST3 series amplifiers at CES. http://www.monoandstereo.com/2015/12/bryston-cubed-sst3-series-amplifiers-new.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+monoandstereo%2FHOym+%28MONO+AND+STEREO+Ultra+High-End+Audio+Magazine%29 (http://www.monoandstereo.com/2015/12/bryston-cubed-sst3-series-amplifiers-new.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+monoandstereo%2FHOym+%28MONO+AND+STEREO+Ultra+High-End+Audio+Magazine%29)
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kinda wish James would give us a little bit more info, just a smiggin . Like watts, fully balanced, what Class type A, or A/B or some other configuration :scratch:
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kinda wish James would give us a little bit more info, just a smiggin .
Or even a smidgen (https://www.google.com/#q=smidgen).
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I just looked up the definition of smiggin and I would like one too.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Smiggins (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Smiggins)
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That's a surprise. I thought I read a post or two where James has said (I believe in the last year) that Bryston was not working on upgrading their amplifiers.
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I just looked up the definition of smiggin and I would like one too.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Smiggins (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Smiggins)
Yeah, but not from James!
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That's a surprise. I thought I read a post or two where James has said (I believe in the last year) that Bryston was not working on upgrading their amplifiers.
Just a few months back in September .....
Any chance we can expect an amplifier remodel in the next 12 to 18 months?
We are always researching better ways but unless something substantial comes along we do not feel model changes are necessary.
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James, if there were to be a new SST3 series, would there be an upgrade path from the SST2 series (similar to the IAD card for the BDP-2, or the upcoming USB upgrade for the SP3)?
- Garrett
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James, if there were to be a new SST3 series, would there be an upgrade path from the SST2 series (similar to the IAD card for the BDP-2, or the upcoming USB upgrade for the SP3)?
- Garrett
We are looking at that and at this point I believe so.
james
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Found this (and translated it) that has a has a smiggen - http://www.hxoseikona.gr/nea/item/3528-bryston-sst3-series-new-2016-cubed-series.html
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Found this (and translated it) that has a has a smiggen - http://www.hxoseikona.gr/nea/item/3528-bryston-sst3-series-new-2016-cubed-series.html
Wonder why European sites know more about this than a Canadian trade rag?
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I just looked up the definition of smiggin and I would like one too.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Smiggins (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Smiggins)
Interesting maybe the wife was hinting
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We are looking at that and at this point I believe so.
james
Thanks for the info. Fingers crossed!
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Hi James!
Would these improvements be applied to all current models or just some of them? For instance, will they apply to integrated amplifiers as well?
What was the design goal behind these improvements?
Cheers!
Antun
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(http://www.hxoseikona.gr/images/brysdton-new.jpg)
(http://www.hxoseikona.gr/media/k2/items/cache/2873bf5d70e48463b04385f06e01b6bf_XL.jpg)
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(http://www.hxoseikona.gr/images/brysdton-new.jpg)
(http://www.hxoseikona.gr/media/k2/items/cache/2873bf5d70e48463b04385f06e01b6bf_XL.jpg)
Are these for real? :scratch:
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If they are, they are stunning.
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That's for sure. They look seriously professional and tough but still elegant...James , is this happening ? ?
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The pictures look to be legit since they're from the product announcement linked to above - http://www.hxoseikona.gr/nea/item/3528-bryston-sst3-series-new-2016-cubed-series.html (http://www.hxoseikona.gr/nea/item/3528-bryston-sst3-series-new-2016-cubed-series.html)
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4B Cubed - 17 inch.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=134223)
james
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4B Cubed - 17 inch.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=134223)
james
Mr James Tanner it's time to open the Golden Gate with some News on The SST3 series Amps
You responded with this Picture Buddy
So know spill the beans ... all of them
Best Regards Robert
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Hi Folks
Yes we finally received a ‘patent’ on new circuitry we have been working on for over a couple of years now.
This new circuitry will be utilized in the new Stereo and Mono Bryston ‘Cubed Series’ of amplifiers. It does not apply to the modular multi-channel 6B or 9B at this point but we are looking at that going forward. The newest version of the B135 Integrated amp also applies.
There are new cosmetics as well for all the power amplifiers including the 6B and 9B.
James
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James, if possible, can you show us a photo of the new 2.5B^3 amplifier?
Also, when will these changes take place? I was about to order a Bryston amplifier this Spring so this information came just in time!
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Oh my - those photos have made me very horny.
Kyri
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James, if possible, can you show us a photo of the new 2.5B^3 amplifier?
Also, when will these changes take place? I was about to order a Bryston amplifier this Spring so this information came just in time!
Hopefully available this late January
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=134225)
james
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Spectacular!
I like the new look very much. It epitomises solidity and power but somehow manages to remain beautiful. It screams "quality" to me. Well done!
Mind you, will there be differences in specifications?
Cheers!
Antun
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Very nice and unique looking design, thanks James!
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...my first impression is that i don't like the new look of the amps :o t.b.h.
al.
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...and what happens to the rest of the equipment (d/a converters, bdp's, etc.)?? will they get a new look, too?
al.
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...and what happens to the rest of the equipment (d/a converters, bdp's, etc.)?? will they get a new look, too?
al.
No they are staying the same.
james
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Well, they certainly look really nice but the proof is in the sound; how they differ sonically from the sst2 series. I guess that remains to be seen/heard.
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Poster for Vegas CES Show next week
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=134257)
james
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Poster for Vegas CES Show next week
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=134257)
james
3B gets an increase in power to 200WATTS. I also agree it will be interesting if the performance has improved across the series with the new circuitry and other modifications.
Price increase reasonable?
Mark
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Hi Mark,
Yes the 3B gets a bit more power - it looks like about a 10% increase in prices at this point.
I am really happy with the performance of these new amps. :thumb:
james
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No they are staying the same.
james
...for now(?)
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Hi James,
Do you have your automated reply ready for "cubed" inquiries yet?! :)
Can you give me an idea of eta?
They look absolutely stunning!
Cheers,
James
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...for now(?)
Hi
No plans for any changes on the preamps.
james
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Looks like for all of three weeks I had the latest and the greatest 4B (SST2). Would have held off had I known a 'cubed' was coming. Oh well (sour grapes) looks like the 'cubed' would have cost me more and can't possibly sound better (sour grapes mode off). Great new design though.
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Looks like for all of three weeks I had the latest and the greatest 4B (SST2). Would have held off had I known a 'cubed' was coming. Oh well (sour grapes) looks like the 'cubed' would have cost me more and can't possibly sound better (sour grapes mode off). Great new design though.
Hi
Yes introducing something new is always a crap shoot as someone has just bought. In this case we had to wait for the patent clearance before acting. I am working on the ability to upgrade though and think I can make that work.
james
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Hi Folks
Yes we finally received a ‘patent’ on new circuitry we have been working on for over a couple of years now.
This new circuitry will be utilized in the new Stereo and Mono Bryston ‘Cubed Series’ of amplifiers. It does not apply to the modular multi-channel 6B or 9B at this point but we are looking at that going forward. The newest version of the B135 Integrated amp also applies.
There are new cosmetics as well for all the power amplifiers including the 6B and 9B.
James
Sorry are you saying that the B135 will remain the same or will be updated? performance or cosmetically?
The new designs look quite nice, they still have the quality minimalist look to them and I think they could sit next to previous generation C equipment and fit in nicely.
As always the model with handles somehow look more powerful.
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Hi
The latest version (last few weeks) of the B135 has the new circuitry.
There are no cosmethic changes planned.
James
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James, tell us about the sound quality.
I have a 4BSST2. What is the improvement of the sound quality for a 4bSST3: 20%, 30% better with the new circuitry ?
Will there new Transformers, like Torus style?
Vince
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I imagine it would be like going from an all purpose computer to the BDP1/2. You don't realize the noise is there until it's not there. The result, more detail and refined sound. :smoke:
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3B gets an increase in power to 200WATTS. I also agree it will be interesting if the performance has improved across the series with the new circuitry and other modifications.
Price increase reasonable?
Mark
New product introductions are about price increases.
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James,
what about the 875 HT amplifier? will it get a new SST3 faceplate?? if so, any pictures???
al.
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Hi
Yes introducing something new is always a crap shoot as someone has just bought. In this case we had to wait for the patent clearance before acting. I am working on the ability to upgrade though and think I can make that work.
james
Congrats James for the new amp line they look stunning.
Last week I recived my second 4b sst2 and a bryston pre to run my second pair
Of Mini T's and I'm content as can be.
The 4b's produce for me all I want and then some more.
I and sure many others came to understand that any technical changes Made by Bryston only
Come after mindfull considerations and solid pro engineering,
There for do provide out of charts better performance !
an upgrade path offer to existing references amp just back up
Better then many words how solid are the
Main design and construction.
Cheers
Itshak
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Found this (and translated it) that has a has a smiggen - http://www.hxoseikona.gr/nea/item/3528-bryston-sst3-series-new-2016-cubed-series.html
Phil A
man, i've never heard better endorsement of an amp than this!!! :green:
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"Οι νέοι τελικοί έχουν εξελιγμένη σχεδίαση για υπεργραμμικότητα"
i can translate for you the quote above
"the new power amps have very advanced design for super linearity"
cheers... :green:
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Hi James, my Bryston BIT look similar to my amp now. Can my 4BSST2 Serial #5101 be upgraded to the latest SST3 circuitry and retain the same look?
Thanks.
John
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James,
what about the 875 HT amplifier? will it get a new SST3 faceplate?? if so, any pictures???
al.
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Hi Al
No the 875 will not be changing.
james
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Hi James, my Bryston BIT look similar to my amp now. Can my 4BSST2 Serial #5101 be upgraded to the latest SST3 circuitry and retain the same look?
Thanks.
John
That should be doable.
james
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That should be doable.
james
PERFECT! :thumb:
You got my money...keep me posted PLEASE
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Congrats James for the new amp line they look stunning.
I and sure many others came to understand that any technical changes Made by Bryston only come after mindfull considerations and solid pro engineering,!
Cheers
Itshak
Hi Itshak
Yes I can not believe the SST2 series has been available now for over 8 years.
Which is a very long time in the audio market but unless we find a better way to attain greater linearity we are not changing for change sake.
What has to be kept in mind though is when you get to this level of performance the changes become 'evolutionary' not 'revolutionary.'
james
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Hi Al
No the 875 will not be changing.
james
...ok, no new faceplate but the 875 will become basically a SST3 amp?!?
al.
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Looking good James, I look forward to hearing how they compare to our 28BSST2's :thumb:
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...ok, no new faceplate but the 875 will become basically a SST3 amp?!?
al.
No it will stay an SST 2 design
james
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Hi James,
Congratulations on the new amps. I'm liking that we can update our SST/2 amps. Keep us posted on when we can update.
Happy New Year to all!
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Yes, I'm pretty excited about that as well! I've got a 4B-SST2 and a 6B-SST2, so hopefully the 6B-SST2 will eventually be SST3 upgrade-able as well.
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James,
Will the 4bsst3 have the bit technology like the 7b, 14b?
Thanks
Tony
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James,
Will the 4bsst3 have the bit technology like the 7b, 14b?
Thanks
Tony
Sorry - BIT technology?
james
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James,
Will the 4bsst3 have the bit technology like the 7b, 14b?
Thanks
Tony
Sorry Tony just realized you meant the specialized BIT transformers - only the 7B 14B and 28B have the BIT transformers.
james
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We are looking at that and at this point I believe so.
james
Very interesting. So do you think it would be a complete upgrade internally or only partial i.e. more of a SST2.5 rather than a SST3? What about faceplates for the upgraded SST2's, can the new one be equipped or is that not possible?
Do you have any pics of the back of the 7's and/or 28's if the back plate is changing? Hopefully the back of the 7's was redesigned to offer 2 sets of binding posts like the 28's and that they are centered. If it's still only offering 1 set it would be nice cosmetically if they were centered this time around along with the input connectors just like the 28.
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Very interesting. So do you think it would be a complete upgrade internally or only partial i.e. more of a SST2.5 rather than a SST3? What about faceplates for the upgraded SST2's, can the new one be equipped or is that not possible?
Do you have any pics of the back of the 7's and/or 28's if the back plate is changing? Hopefully the back of the 7's was redesigned to offer 2 sets of binding posts like the 28's and that they are centered. If it's still only offering 1 set it would be nice cosmetically if they were centered this time around along with the input connectors just like the 28.
Hi
The ugrade if we can offer it would be extensive and would equal a full Cubed version of the amplifiers.
No sorry no shots of the back panel yet - I will try to take some. The inout stage is completely different so there may be small changes in the rear panel layout. Sorry only 1 set of speaker outputs on the 7B's.
james
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Hi
The ugrade if we can offer it would be extensive and would equal a full Cubed version of the amplifiers.
No sorry no shots of the back panel yet - I will try to take some. The inout stage is completely different so there may be small changes in the rear panel layout. Sorry only 1 set of speaker outputs on the 7B's.
james
Excellent news, well potentially about a complete upgrade of the SST2's, depending on if it can be done like you say.
I'm not sold yet on the new faceplate. The initial shock of that made me instantly panic and inquire on another forum about how much was left of the SST2 production run :) as I do want 3 7's for my system. Getting like new 2nd hand 7B-SST2's won't be much of a problem so I'm going to hold tight and wait to see what the reports are like for the SST3's. If people are finding a noticeable improvement I might jump right in and get the new 7's. I could always send my 28's in for the upgrade but that would be a bit of a nightmare shipping cost wise as those brutes are big and heavy.
So when upgrading SST2's, do we have a choice to keep the original faceplates or get the new ones or do you think the new face plates can't be mounted to the SST2's?
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Found a back panel shot of the new 14B Cubed.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=134350)
james
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Will this new design bring about a $1000 + increase in price over the say 4BSST2 ?
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Excellent news, well potentially about a complete upgrade of the SST2's, depending on if it can be done like you say.
I'm not sold yet on the new faceplate. The initial shock of that made me instantly panic and inquire on another forum about how much was left of the SST2 production run :) as I do want 3 7's for my system. Getting like new 2nd hand 7B-SST2's won't be much of a problem so I'm going to hold tight and wait to see what the reports are like for the SST3's. If people are finding a noticeable improvement I might jump right in and get the new 7's. I could always send my 28's in for the upgrade but that would be a bit of a nightmare shipping cost wise as those brutes are big and heavy.
So when upgrading SST2's, do we have a choice to keep the original faceplates or get the new ones or do you think the new face plates can't be mounted to the SST2's?
I think we can do either - new guts without new face plates or both.
james
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Will this new design bring about a $1000 + increase in price over the say 4BSST2 ?
Hi
It looks like about a 10% increase.
james
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That's a surprise. I thought I read a post or two where James has said (I believe in the last year) that Bryston was not working on upgrading their amplifiers.
Me Too!!!!! :D :D
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I think we can do either - new guts without new face plates or both.
james
Hi James,
This is great news. I have both a 4B SST2 and 9BSST2 that I would like to be upgraded without changing the faceplates. Keep us posted on the upgrade path.
Best,
John
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Found a back panel shot of the new 14B Cubed.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=134350)
james
Thanks James, very consistent with the previous series then.
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I think we can do either - new guts without new face plates or both.
james
Cool, thanks again
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Hi
It looks like about a 10% increase.
james
Cool
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Found a back panel shot of the new 14B Cubed.
james
Hi James,
I have been wondering something about the triggers on Bryston amps. Why does the design use a wiring block for the trigger inputs/outputs in lieu of 3.5mm jacks. I assumed the reason the wiring block were still used on the SST2 amps was because the design has been in production for 8 years. However, I was a bit surprised to see that the photo you posted of the Cubed amp has a wiring block. From what I have noticed, all other recent Bryston designs use 3.5mm jacks (e.g., SP3, BDP-2, BUC-1, BDA-3, etc.).
I know it may seem like a silly question, but the use of the wiring blocks requires a user to cut the end off of their trigger cable to connect the amp to the preamp. The other option is to cut the ends off off 3.5mm female cables and pigtail them off the back of the amp. Either way, is a bit less elegant and not as quick as if the connections were 3.5mm jacks.
Thank you
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Just thought of another question. I've never had a Bryston item upgraded before, if we send amps in for the upgrade how does that affect the warranty? Does the original warranty just continue on or does the 20 year warranty start anew?
Would the slightly older SST C-Series amps be upgradeable? I've still got a 4B-SST C-series sitting around for backup in the event the amps I have in use now need servicing.
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Hi James,
I have been wondering something about the triggers on Bryston amps. Why does the design use a wiring block for the trigger inputs/outputs in lieu of 3.5mm jacks. I assumed the reason the wiring block were still used on the SST2 amps was because the design has been in production for 8 years. However, I was a bit surprised to see that the photo you posted of the Cubed amp has a wiring block. From what I have noticed, all other recent Bryston designs use 3.5mm jacks (e.g., SP3, BDP-2, BUC-1, BDA-3, etc.).
I know it may seem like a silly question, but the use of the wiring blocks requires a user to cut the end off of their trigger cable to connect the amp to the preamp. The other option is to cut the ends off off 3.5mm female cables and pigtail them off the back of the amp. Either way, is a bit less elegant and not as quick as if the connections were 3.5mm jacks.
Thank you
Not sure but I will ask the engineer.
james
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Just thought of another question. I've never had a Bryston item upgraded before, if we send amps in for the upgrade how does that affect the warranty? Does the original warranty just continue on or does the 20 year warranty start anew?
Would the slightly older SST C-Series amps be upgradeable? I've still got a 4B-SST C-series sitting around for backup in the event the amps I have in use now need servicing.
Hi Rod
It would still have the original warranty.
Only the SST2 can be upgraded.
james
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Since the 4BSST3 is about to be on the shelves, so to speak, there will still be some 4BSST2's available. Since the SST2"s are discontinued there might be opportunities to get an SST2 at a discounted price. I would find it hard to believe that that the cubed version offers significant sonic improvements over the squared version unless one has a very critical ear. Then again maybe I'm wrong, but I will be shopping around for a new discontinued 4BSST2 to replace my 4BST in the second system, giving me two SST2"s to upgrade, if there are rave reviews about the improvements in the cubed version.
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Hi James,Since you get to listen and evaluate all Bryston products,
What difference do YOU hear between the SST-2 and SST3 amps.
I know evolutionary not revolutionary,I'd be interested on your thoughts of the evolutionary sound change if any,THX.
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Hi James,Since you get to listen and evaluate all Bryston products,
What difference do YOU hear between the SST-2 and SST3 amps.
I know evolutionary not revolutionary,I'd be interested on your thoughts of the evolutionary sound change if any,THX.
Hi
So far I feel it offers a more expansive soundstage with really precise image placement and although I do not feel the bass goes any deeper I feel the texture in the lower mids and higher bass frequencies are better - especially string bass and drums. Still listening and evaluating and trying blind tests so my bias does not get in the mix.
james
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Now this is getting exciting. Thank you James.
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Thanks for your response, James, but . . . Aahhh - must admit that I still feel bruised about this. After agonizing for a year about getting the latest and the greatest 4B out there, finally got my hard earned after tax money together, pulled the trigger, and bought the latest and the greatest 4BSST2 this month. Three weeks later it's no longer the latest and the greatest. I suppose my timing couldn't have been worse . . . had I known . . . I believe my dealer has no interest in taking it back at this point, (three weeks ago it was sold to me as the 'current' model SST). Not really blaming the dealer, but any consideration in terms of a full upgrade to a 4BSSTcubed would certainly go a long way to maintaining my respect for Bryston products.
Anyways . . . Happy new year to all (from a somewhat disappointed new Bryston owner with a first world kind of problem).
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Sadly they have to cut it off somewhere. I'm happy they are offering and working out upgrades. My 28's aren't much older, but grateful they have not given an outright NO on upgrades.
That to me makes me more proud to be a Bryston fan and owner.
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Not sure but I will ask the engineer.
james
Thank you.
Here is another question for you. Not to be completely pedantic, but what is the official name of the new amp series? Is it Cubed as you have been referring to it or SST3 as some of the other posters have been writing? My theory is that it is Cube without SST, because the front panel is labeled as 4B^3 (and because that is how you have been referring to it).
Thank you
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Hey, tdinut. Yes, I too am hoping for favourable upgrade options. We'll just have to stay tuned.
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Good stuff James,
Perhaps my older 28's can get evolutionized,
the 7's,we'll see if this upgrade will manifest and of course the price.
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Thank you.
Here is another question for you. Not to be completely pedantic, but what is the official name of the new amp series? Is it Cubed as you have been referring to it or SST3 as some of the other posters have been writing? My theory is that it is Cube without SST, because the front panel is labeled as 4B^3 (and because that is how you have been referring to it).
Thank you
It will be called the Bryston Cubed Series with Model number 4B (small 3 in upper corner) like in the pictures.
james
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Thanks for your response, James, but . . . Aahhh - must admit that I still feel bruised about this. After agonizing for a year about getting the latest and the greatest 4B out there, finally got my hard earned after tax money together, pulled the trigger, and bought the latest and the greatest 4BSST2 this month. Three weeks later it's no longer the latest and the greatest. I suppose my timing couldn't have been worse . . . had I known . . . I believe my dealer has no interest in taking it back at this point, (three weeks ago it was sold to me as the 'current' model SST). Not really blaming the dealer, but any consideration in terms of a full upgrade to a 4BSSTcubed would certainly go a long way to maintaining my respect for Bryston products.
Anyways . . . Happy new year to all (from a somewhat disappointed new Bryston owner with a first world kind of problem).
Hi
Yes I always feel badly when this happens but no matter when you announce some number of customers have just purchased and not announcing means you are holding back on introducing a better product.
james
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Hi Rod
It would still have the original warranty.
Only the SST2 can be upgraded.
james
I was actually going to ask the same question about warranty.
Any idea what the cost might be for the upgrade? I've only had my 3B SST^2 just over a year.
If the majority of the amp is gutted in the process, it becomes more or less a new product, it would be awesome if the warranty was reactivated for another 20 years.
How will upgraded units be marked as previously SST^2 amps? Will they simply receive a new rear badge? It has been my experience that upgraded hifi products, for whatever reason, typically don't hold the value or the interest of a buyer when compared to a non-upgraded unit.
Thanks for even considering an upgrade path....that sets Bryston apart from most every other company. 8)
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It's true with any brand. There are always new models. I usually follow announcements made at shows like CES where it is common for new models to get introduced. Digital and video usually change to a much greater degree. I wouldn't sweat buying a quality amp with a 20 year warranty
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When can we upgrade? My 7's are ready to go I can live with my 9.
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Hi Rod
It would still have the original warranty.
Only the SST2 can be upgraded.
james
Thanks again
So I a typical upgrade would gut the internals and nothing else but I guess it's possible in this instance as you mentioned inputs/outputs may not be exactly in the same place as the SST2's so that may also mean a new back plate would have to be added to the upgraded units also. If that turned out to be the case what would be left of the original SST2's?? Just the heat sinks and chassis shell, IEC, binding posts, power switch, triggers, RCA/XLR inputs and gain switch. Since you mentioned one may be able to opt for the upgraded faceplate as well that wouldn't be carried over if the customer choose. If all but these components are replaced during the upgrade what would it be about these existing parts that would be high enough risk to the company to not reset the warranty back to 20 years? Just curious?
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"Οι νέοι τελικοί έχουν εξελιγμένη σχεδίαση για υπεργραμμικότητα"
i can translate for you the quote above
"the new power amps have very advanced design for super linearity"
cheers... :green:
Hi G
Your translation is 90% there but I got two corrections
#1."power amp" in Greek to be exact is "ενισχυτης ισχυος" in fact when I was a teenager that's what it was called. On the other hand , back then "τελικος" was reserved mostly for integrated amps.
#2. " εξελιγμενη" in English "advanced" but adding the word "very-advanced"" should of read as follows "πολυ-εξελιγμενη".
All the best
George
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I've gotta imagine stuff like the toroidal transformers aren't being changed.
I feel/understand wishing I'd held off for the latest and greatest. However, by offering an upgrade path, I'm very satisfied. I feel that's the best option possible. Bryston can release new products as they see fit without impacting sales of current lines. And those who've "just bought" the prior version have the option of upgrading. Win/win in my book!
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I'm thinking,I hope I'm wrong,
if it is possible to upgrade the SST's,seems like everything would be removed except the outer case............
sorry to many Kokanees this evenin.
If it's close it will be a few 1000 to upgrade,I HOPE I"M WAY OUT.
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Hi Folks
It is an extensive upgrade - The backboard and all the attached parts have to be completely replaced and a few internal parts and of course the faceplate and handles and some front panel electronics. Also a new soft-start circuit is used and new idle current section.
The chassis and transformers we can keep so there are some savings there.
It will be a couple of months though before we will be able to offer the upgrades as there are few technical and mechanical issues to work out. We will have to assign a different SN to the upgrades - with the SP2 upgrades we just added an 'X' after the serial number. You want to make sure there is no confusion in the market between an upgrade and a new Cubed unit. One option might be to offer all the internal changes for the upgrades but not the front panel changes which which eliminate any doubt?
james
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One option might be to offer all the internal changes for the upgrades but not the front panel changes which which eliminate any doubt?
If you go with this as the only option, or if keeping the original plate is chosen by the owner, would you replace the power button to one with a Cubed label? For example, replace the 4BSST2 button with one that shows 4B3.
Thank you
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If you go with this as the only option, or if keeping the original plate is chosen by the owner, would you replace the power button to one with a Cubed label? For example, replace the 4BSST2 button with one that shows 4B3.
Thank you
That might be a good idea as well
james
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I've gotta imagine stuff like the toroidal transformers aren't being changed.
I feel/understand wishing I'd held off for the latest and greatest. However, by offering an upgrade path, I'm very satisfied. I feel that's the best option possible. Bryston can release new products as they see fit without impacting sales of current lines. And those who've "just bought" the prior version have the option of upgrading. Win/win in my book!
- Garrett
D'Oh... I forgot about the transformer, it's only the biggest heaviest part of the amp :D I also forgot about the balanced/unbalanced switch on the back
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In your experience thus far James do they run more or less at the same temperature as their SST2 counterparts? Will they still employ the first few % of watts in Class A then switch over to AB?
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In your experience thus far James do they run more or less at the same temperature as their SST2 counterparts? Will they still employ the first few % of watts in Class A then switch over to AB?
Yes that part of the design is not changing.
james
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https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3bK1YpaNjlJZEFqSXdodTduc2M/view
james
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When will Cubed series be available for ordering?
Do dealers have new prices?
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When will Cubed series be available for ordering?
Do dealers have new prices?
Hi
We hope to start producing in Mid January and pricing is still being worked on by the bean counters.
james
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Thanks for the link to the PDF. There is no mention of LED color choice. Please let there still be a blue LED option
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Thanks for the link to the PDF. There is no mention of LED color choice. Please let there still be a blue LED option
Yes Blue as well :thumb: - in fact the pair I am using at the CES Vegas Show next week will have Blue LED's
james
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Yes Blue as well :thumb: - in fact the pair I am using at the CES Vegas Show next week will have Blue LED's
james
Phew, good news indeed! I actually think the new faceplate is growing on me the more I see it.
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Any reason behind dropping "SST" from the name? That big of a change, eh?
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Any reason behind dropping "SST" from the name? That big of a change, eh?
Hi
The SST was derived from the designer Stuart Taylor - so we started out with ST then SST and finally SST2. The Cubed is a new design by a different engineer and was unique enough to get a patent so we felt a name change was appropriate.
Also I like the Cubed name as it connotes 3 demensions :thumb:
James
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The last time I told a person I had a Bryston 3 B SST 2....my thoughts were...gosh...that's a mouth full to say. :lol: But I was aware of how the name had changed over the years and embraced the heritage. Sorta sad to see SST dropped.
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Love the new look but just wondering if there will be any real sound improvement over the already excellent square models. :scratch:
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That might be a good idea as well
james
If I may say so, I agree. I think it would be a great way to clearly show that it is an upgraded unit vs. an SST2 or a Cubed without the need to look for a sticker on the back panel.
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James - first of all - happy new year wishes to you. All the best in 2016!
And second of all - I can't express enough how much I am enjoying listening to my newly purchased 4BSST2 and the exquisite Bryston DAC.
And thirdly - obsessive long time audio guy that I am (explains why Bryston is at the top of my list) you have me very intrigued regarding retrofitting my new 4BSST2 to cubed version. I would be delighted to participate in any possible beta test of such a retrofit - I would gladly drop my 4B at your doorstep/loading dock in Peterborough, pick it up, and subsequently contribute to any follow up you might see fit.
In any case - could you please put me at the top of the list for squared --> cubed upgrade. Such a happy customer I would remain.
(Maybe we should start a new discussion thread on squared to cubed retrofit).
Thank you
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Yes Blue as well :thumb: - in fact the pair I am using at the CES Vegas Show next week will have Blue LED's
james
Hi James, would the whole range of the New CUBE Bryston Amps Design be in display in Vegas?
Which pairs will be in demonstration with the T speakers, a pair of 28 B CUBE, or 7 B CUBE?
Thank you
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Hi James, would the whole range of the New CUBE Bryston Amps Design be in display in Vegas?
Which pairs will be in demonstration with the T speakers, a pair of 28 B CUBE, or 7 B CUBE?
Thank you
All but the 28B will be on display. Not sure what speakers I am going to use yet - have used the Middle T and the Mini T's over the last 2 years.
James
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Will the new amps be a zero feedback design? Based on previous products, can we expect another 8 +/- year production run?
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All but the 28B will be on display. Not sure what speakers I am going to use yet - have used the Middle T and the Mini T's over the last 2 years.
James
Any particular reason why the 28's won't be there? I caught in the PDF some TBD bits for the 28's specs. Is it still in development?
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Hi James, does the Cube uses the same fuse versus SST2? Thanks.
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Will the new amps be a zero feedback design? Based on previous products, can we expect another 8 +/- year production run?
No- some small amount of feedback is used.
james
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Any particular reason why the 28's won't be there? I caught in the PDF some TBD bits for the 28's specs. Is it still in development?
Still undergoing safety and hydro requirements - the bane of my existence :duh:
james
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Hi James, does the Cube uses the same fuse versus SST2? Thanks.
Hi
Not sure on that - I would assume so but will have to check. There are no fuses in the circuit path only on the power inlet.
james
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An upgrade path form the 28BSST2s is welcome news indeed even though I thoroughly enjoy my 28BSST2s.
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class-ab usually has more distortion then class-b,i quote douglas self, you also mention the amount of nfb is small,there is also mention in the press of super linearity,hard to digest,james is it a patented design?, if not can you please tell us why is so super-linearity,you dont have to,i'm just curious... :green:
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Still undergoing safety and hydro requirements - the bane of my existence :duh:
james
Thanks, they are beasts that's for sure so it's understandable it takes more time for these vs all the others.
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We are looking at that and at this point I believe so.
james
I'm hoping it's true. I'm ready to send more money your way!
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Hi Folks
It is an extensive upgrade - The backboard and all the attached parts have to be completely replaced and a few internal parts and of course the faceplate and handles and some front panel electronics. Also a new soft-start circuit is used and new idle current section.
The chassis and transformers we can keep so there are some savings there.
It will be a couple of months though before we will be able to offer the upgrades as there are few technical and mechanical issues to work out. We will have to assign a different SN to the upgrades - with the SP2 upgrades we just added an 'X' after the serial number. You want to make sure there is no confusion in the market between an upgrade and a new Cubed unit. One option might be to offer all the internal changes for the upgrades but not the front panel changes which which eliminate any doubt?
james
Hello
Can you tell us what the new idle power draw will be or is it the same?
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I too volunteer to be a test mule. LOL! I did it in the BDP-2 so it's only fitting that I do it in the new cube amps!
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I am open to volunteer, to see how a pair of 7b cube would fair against an Esoteric A-02 amp
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Hello
Can you tell us what the new idle power draw will be or is it the same?
Standby power now has to be less than 1/2 watt to meet safety standards in some areas.
james
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Happy New Year to all!
Great news and congrats to James and the Bryston team again on the new development and patent.
I hope the upgrades of the amps would also be available and serviceable by tech people of the local distributors overseas too. In that case, I'll keep the old face-plates on my pair of 28B-SST/2 and a mono 7B-SST/2 to keep my wife from noticing. : )
Cheers!
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klao - Good thinking, that would be a key reason to keep the original faceplates!
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Happy New Year to all!
Great news and congrats to James and the Bryston team again on the new development and patent.
I hope the upgrades of the amps would also be available and serviceable by tech people of the local distributors overseas too. In that case, I'll keep the old face-plates on my pair of 28B-SST/2 and a mono 7B-SST/2 to keep my wife from noticing. : )
Cheers!
WOW - great point :thumb:
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Can you tell us what the new idle power draw will be or is it the same?
Standby power now has to be less than 1/2 watt to meet safety standards in some areas.
I think the question was (or at least my question is) addressing the idle power consumption, not standby power.
Since you previously stated that the new amplifier is the same Class A - A/B with the same amount of watts in Class A (bias), I'm guessing that idle power specs are pretty much the same, i.e. the 4BSST² @ 127W?
Steve
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I think the question was (or at least my question is) addressing the idle power consumption, not standby power.
Since you previously stated that the new amplifier is the same Class A - A/B with the same amount of watts in Class A (bias), I'm guessing that idle power specs are pretty much the same, i.e. the 4BSST² @ 127W?
Steve
Hi Steve
Correct.
james
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Hi
The latest version (last few weeks) of the B135 has the new circuitry.
There are no cosmethic changes planned.
James
How do we know its the new version?
Have you changed the logo in front that says B135 "SST2"?
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How do we know its the new version?
Have you changed the logo in front that says B135 "SST2"?
We will be but currently just from the serial number.
james
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We will be but currently just from the serial number.
james
Is this because you have fronts stored up?
How about price with the old fronts, same price as the old one :thumb:
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Is this because you have fronts stored up?
How about price with the old fronts, same price as the old one :thumb:
Hi
The cosmetics are not changing on the B135 - just the guts. The new 2.5B amplifier uses the Cubed design and the B135 used that same amplifier now.
james
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Just a few months back in September .....
Yeah, I was the Op of this question and asked James at TAVES in October but he did a fine job of not letting the cat out of the bag. I knew by the age of the SST2 that there would have been something around the corner. I was a little late getting this news - too busy with a renovation over the holidays.
I'm very intrigued. I'm still getting used to the new design, as I love the current SST2 with handles faceplate. Not sure if that square in relief on the new faceplate has a functional purpose or not - I would guess so, as it doesn't look purely stylistic.
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Yeah, I was the Op of this question and asked James at TAVES in October but he did a fine job of not letting the cat out of the bag. I knew by the age of the SST2 that there would have been something around the corner. I was a little late getting this news - too busy with a renovation over the holidays.
I'm very intrigued. I'm still getting used to the new design, as I love the current SST2 with handles faceplate. Not sure if that square in relief on the new faceplate has a functional purpose or not - I would guess so, as it doesn't look purely stylistic.
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I'll bet it's hiding tubes! :o
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What manufacturer's binding posts do you use on your amps? I've noticed they have changed over the years, at least on certain models where they used to be black with either red and blue coloring or red and black for +/- and now clear is used with the red/black seen within for the +/-.
Are the binding post connections designed in such as way that other options could be used?
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What manufacturer's binding posts do you use on your amps? I've noticed they have changed over the years, at least on certain models where they used to be black with either red and blue coloring or red and black for +/- and now clear is used with the red/black seen within for the +/-.
Are the binding post connections designed in such as way that other options could be used?
Hi
Yes they do change but we can not offer different types as we would have to go through safety checks for each change.
james
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Ah, there's that darn safety check process again, like you mentioned on the BIT thread when I asked about different receptacles. That part of the business is a pain for sure but in the end a necessity for ensured quality, performance and longevity. It would have been badass to have say BIT's with Furutech's GTX-D(R), either standard or new NCF variant for receptacles and Furutech's topline FT-818(R) binding posts for the amps
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Hi
Yes they do change but we can not offer different types as we would have to go through safety checks for each change.
james
Would love to have WBT-0705Cu for a premium upgrade if available :thumb:
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Yep, that model would certainly be an upgrade :)
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Hi
The cosmetics are not changing on the B135 - just the guts. The new 2.5B amplifier uses the Cubed design and the B135 used that same amplifier now.
james
I understand you are not changing the box :D
I was thinking about the text in front(of B135) that says "SST2" :thumb:
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So from all I'm hearing, the new Cubed series are a definite step up in performance, so the big question would be:
Within its power range, would the new 4B3 perform noticeably better than the outgoing 7B-SST2?
Would love to know.
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Looking forward to this. Looking at the new DAC as well. Maybe we'll get some news following CES
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Only the SST2 can be upgraded.
Hi James,
reading the CUBED poster, I would conclude that the changes in the CUBED design are mainly in the input section.
Couldn't there be an "input stage only upgrade path" for SST/SST² owners? :wink: Since I experinced the sonic qualities of my SP-3, I believe that the handling of the line level signals is not only extremely important, but also one of Bryston's strengths! :thumb:
Such an "input stage only upgrade", if technically feasible, could be worth while. Mind you, I am owning three 6B SSTs, so there isn't a CUBED version yet, so any upgrade for that model line is uncertain anyway...
Cheers!
Markus
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So from all I'm hearing, the new Cubed series are a definite step up in performance, so the big question would be:
Within its power range, would the new 4B3 perform noticeably better than the outgoing 7B-SST2?
Would love to know.
Hi SoundGame,
I'm interested in the answer to this question as well. Since we haven't heard from James I'm betting his answer is going to be if your room size and speaker load are proportionately lighter/smaller and in the 4B3's wheelhouse the answer will be yes. He has always said the amp hierarchy at Bryston is not about good/better/best but about application i.e. what size room do you have to fill and how tough are your speakers.
I just replaced my 25 year old Infinity 9 Kappas with a new pair of Focal Sopra 2's. The Infinitys dipped to .8 ohms at 30 and 340 hz with nasty phase angles. the Focals are an easy 8 ohm nominal, 3.1 ohm min and 91 db sensitivity. This is why I'm having the same thought. My 7B SST2's think they have died and gone to heaven :lol:
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Hi SoundGame,
I'm interested in the answer to this question as well. Since we haven't heard from James I'm betting his answer is going to be if your room size and speaker load are proportionately lighter/smaller and in the 4B3's wheelhouse the answer will be yes. He has always said the amp hierarchy at Bryston is not about good/better/best but about application i.e. what size room do you have to fill and how tough are your speakers.
I just replaced my 25 year old Infinity 9 Kappas with a new pair of Focal Sopra 2's. The Infinitys dipped to .8 ohms at 30 and 340 hz with nasty phase angles. the Focals are an easy 8 ohm nominal, 3.1 ohm min and 91 db sensitivity. This is why I'm having the same thought. My 7B SST2's think they have died and gone to heaven :lol:
Yes, my guess is that the new 4B3 will outperform the previous 7B-SST2 when operating within its optimal power range ie. dynamic demands not exceeding 300 to 350 and speaker load being above 4 ohms.
My room is 13' x 18.5" x 7.5" and acoustically treated with bass traps, diffraction, absorption, including shag carpeting. My speakers are not a well known brand in North America but come from a German manufacturer: Aurum Montan VIII by quadral and are full-range, extremely transparent, utilizing a magnetostat tweeter and exotic driver materials (ALTIMA - aluminum, titanium and magnesium); I also have a pair of KEF LS50. Both of these speakers don't present demand too much demand on my 4B-SST2, yet still I was considering the 7B-SST2, since it does have the BIT transformer configuration and more dynamic capability (my speaker can handle 500 watt peaks). My expectation is that the 7B is more impervious to less than optimal power at source - providing more consistently better sound in the sweet spot. I expect that the 7B-SST2 would outperform my 4B-SST2 even on my nominal load when listened to at the sweet spot. I expect blacker backgrounds and therefore more fine details as well as even greater ease - though all these would likely be small improvements and perhaps only noticeable on A/B/A comparison.
With the new Cube series, from what I'm hearing, I expect the 4B3 will outperform my 4B-SST2 by a greater degree than a pair of 7B-SST2 - looking to James to share his thoughts. I'm also guessing that the gap between the 4B3 and 7B3 remains as it was with the previous generation, so in a couple of years, even if I go to a 4B3, I may likely be back to questioning the merits of a 7B3 in my system.
I also guess that there is a greater difference between the 4B and 7B then between the 7B and 28B where power demands are adequately handled by a 4B.
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James;
Maybe this question has already been asked….but how much longer will the 4BSST2 be in production?
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James;
Maybe this question has already been asked….but how much longer will the 4BSST2 be in production?
It is officially no longer in production but we have built 10 units due to customers orders.
james
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It is officially no longer in production but we have built 10 units due to customers orders.
james
Hi James, do you now have the full official price list on the new Cube series - I know you mentioned about a 10% increase - hoping for under 10..
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Hi James, do you now have the full official price list on the new Cube series - I know you mentioned about a 10% increase - hoping for under 10..
Oh, in addition to my curiousity on prices of the Cubed series amps; I'm wondering in this latest iteration if the soft start circuit is now absolutely quiet? My 4B-SST2 on power up makes a buzzing noise and then a click through the speakers when it comes on - from there, there is just the faintest hiss, when I put my ear within 12 inches of the tweeter. Is the new Cube series now utterly quiet i.e. without power on noise and operating hiss?
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It is officially no longer in production but we have built 10 units due to customers orders.
First thing, can not wait to hear the improvement from the SST2s version :thumb:....
Will you have any special events in Toronto to showcase the amplifiers in action?
And any timeline on the 6B and 9B introductions of the new cube version?
Ciao, Luigi
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Oh, in addition to my curiousity on prices of the Cubed series amps; I'm wondering in this latest iteration if the soft start circuit is now absolutely quiet? My 4B-SST2 on power up makes a buzzing noise and then a click through the speakers when it comes on - from there, there is just the faintest hiss, when I put my ear within 12 inches of the tweeter. Is the new Cube series now utterly quiet i.e. without power on noise and operating hiss?
Interesting. The 14bsst2 that I've had for a couple months has no hiss whatsoever. Ear is right next to the tweeter. I do of course get the quick start up noise that's just part of the design, but after that just blackness. Of course I never turn my amp off, so I haven't heard that start up noise for a long time!
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Hi James, do you now have the full official price list on the new Cube series - I know you mentioned about a 10% increase - hoping for under 10..
Should have prices next week
james
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10% or less? Looks like it's time to sell the 4B ST.
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Silly question perhaps but does the power button light up on these new models ? :cyclops:
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I doubt it but it would be really cool if it did.
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Silly question perhaps but does the power button light up on these new models ? :cyclops:
Hi
No - just the LEDs
james
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From the pictures they appear to have an LED power light above the power switch.
(http://canadahifi.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Bryston-Cubed-Series-Amps-CES-2016-03-Custom.jpg)
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^^^^^^^^^^^
Correct.
james
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Hi James, will the international folks needs to ship the amps back to have an upgrade or is this something that can be done at your respective dealership? Also what would be the price tag for such an upgrade? Thanks!~
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Hi James, will the international folks needs to ship the amps back to have an upgrade or is this something that can be done at your respective dealership? Also what would be the price tag for such an upgrade? Thanks!~
I think it would have to come back to the factory if you want to be sure it is done correctly. I do not have pricing yet as we are still waiting for the bean counters.
james
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James, do the cubed series happen to run any cooler than the SST and SST2 series?
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James, do the cubed series happen to run any cooler than the SST and SST2 series?
I do not think so as they are very similar when it comes to the output circuit.
james
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From The Absolute Sound's CES report: http://www.theabsolutesound.com/articles/ces-2016-electronics-15k-and-under/ (http://www.theabsolutesound.com/articles/ces-2016-electronics-15k-and-under/)
"Dramatically lower distortion, improved linearity, and increased clarity are hallmarks of Bryston’s new Cubed Series amplifiers. At 600Wpc into 8 ohms, the 7B3 (approximately $5.5k each) employs Bryston’s patented input stage with an array of twelve active devices and produces astonishingly low distortion measured at just 1/1000th of 1 percent. It also offers major reductions in noise (EMI, RFI, and common mode), and employs the company’s Quad-Complementary topology that mimics the characteristics of a Class A design, but with far lower distortion. As part of an impressive all-Bryston system, the 7B3 produced an expansive soundstage with great dynamics, as well as welcomed harmonic richness in the upper bass and lower midrange."
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From The Absolute Sound's CES report: http://www.theabsolutesound.com/articles/ces-2016-electronics-15k-and-under/ (http://www.theabsolutesound.com/articles/ces-2016-electronics-15k-and-under/)
"Dramatically lower distortion, improved linearity, and increased clarity are hallmarks of Bryston’s new Cubed Series amplifiers. At 600Wpc into 8 ohms, the 7B3 (approximately $5.5k each) employs Bryston’s patented input stage with an array of twelve active devices and produces astonishingly low distortion measured at just 1/1000th of 1 percent. It also offers major reductions in noise (EMI, RFI, and common mode), and employs the company’s Quad-Complementary topology that mimics the characteristics of a Class A design, but with far lower distortion. As part of an impressive all-Bryston system, the 7B3 produced an expansive soundstage with great dynamics, as well as welcomed harmonic richness in the upper bass and lower midrange."
Thanks for posting Bill - what I really like about the reports we have been getting lately at these audio shows is the fact that we are demoing a 'complete Bryston system' which makes perdictability of performance doable for our customers. :thumb:
james
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Still undergoing safety and hydro requirements - the bane of my existence :duh:
james
So did the 28 pass all inspections yet or do you anticipate a delayed launch of the 28's and if so would that also affect when 28B-SST2 owners can send their amps in for the upgrade?
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So did the 28 pass all inspections yet or do you anticipate a delayed launch of the 28's and if so would that also affect when 28B-SST2 owners can send their amps in for the upgrade?
No approval yet - its a big amp so it may take a month or so
james
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Hi James,
I know this might be a stupid question but I'll ask anyway. Do you expect the upgraded 28bsst2 series amps to sound exactly the same as the new 28 Cubed series amps?
Thank you so much!
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Hi James,
I know this might be a stupid question but I'll ask anyway. Do you expect the upgraded 28bsst2 series amps to sound exactly the same as the new 28 Cubed series amps?
Thank you so much!
I believe so but until I build one will not know for sure.
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I believe so but until I build one will not know for sure.
Thank you for your honesty James. Another reason why we love Bryston. Honest company, honest amps :D
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Got first information from the local distributor here in Italy and they say the 4B Cubed (SST3) will cost 10-15% more compared to the current 4BSST2 price and may be available in 2 months but they cannot guarantee.
+15% means a price tag of EUR 7100 (USD 7,700) :o which would be quite disappointing... hope it's not final yet :scratch:
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Found a back panel shot of the new 14B Cubed.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=134350)
james
That is going to look beautiful in my rack (upgrade to my black 14bsst2)!
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Got first information from the local distributor here in Italy and they say the 4B Cubed (SST3) will cost 10-15% more compared to the current 4BSST2 price and may be available in 2 months but they cannot guarantee.
+15% means a price tag of EUR 7100 (USD 7,700) :o which would be quite disappointing... hope it's not final yet :scratch:
Maybe the Street price will be lower :D
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Maybe the Street price will be lower :D
Of course it will but it's still a pity they keep prices so high
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It would be nice to know the actual "Cubed" price. A 10% increase isn't that bad, but beyond that, at least for my purposes, one of the few display SST2's still available would serve to replace my 4B ST. But the SST2's will not be around long so the sooner a cubed price is published the better.
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It would be nice to know the actual "Cubed" price. A 10% increase isn't that bad, but beyond that, at least for my purposes, one of the few display SST2's still available would serve to replace my 4B ST. But the SST2's will not be around long so the sooner a cubed price is published the better.
Sorry for the delay but I should know on Monday or Tuesday.
james
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Patience grasshoppers. :P
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Wrong post
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Of course it will but it's still a pity they keep prices so high
Yes it is. Also, the currency rate $-€ is not good for us now...
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Will local dealers be offering special discounts on the discontinued SST2's? Also what's the estimate for dealers to receive demo units of the new SST3's so we can audition them. :D
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Will local dealers be offering special discounts on the discontinued SST2's? Also what's the estimate for dealers to receive demo units of the new SST3's so we can audition them. :D
Hi
We start shipping the first week of February so I would think by the end of march we should be caught up with the backorders.
james
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Patience grasshoppers. :P
No kidding!
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Yes it is. Also, the currency rate $-€ is not good for us now...
On the other hand it currently takes $1.41 CAD to buy one USD so those of us in the lower 48 should find a new 3 or SST2>3 upgrade an exceptional value. How 'bout it, James :D
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On the other hand it currently takes $1.41 CAD to buy one USD so those of us in the lower 48 should find a new 3 or SST2>3 upgrade an exceptional value. How 'bout it, James :D
No we are going to have to raise the prices in Canada with these new models as we buy a lot of our parts from the US in US funds.
james
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No we are going to have to raise the prices in Canada with these new models as we buy a lot of our parts from the US in US funds.
james
Well that definitely sucks. If the prices are going up in the US as well then the price increase in Canada will be much more significant then?
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Well that definitely sucks. If the prices are going up in the US as well then the price increase in Canada will be much more significant then?
Yes it is something I have been holding off on but the currency issue is becoming a problem.
james
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On the other hand it currently takes $1.41 CAD to buy one USD so those of us in the lower 48 should find a new 3 or SST2>3 upgrade an exceptional value. How 'bout it, James :D
Wow, with that exchange rate a summer vacation in Canada is definetly going to be on the schedule!
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Currency issues are a mess and something that no manufacturer can control. I believe back at the end of 2002 and beginning January of 2003, the value of the Canadian dollar it US Dollar was about $0.62/$0.63. I bought a lightly used 14BSST and 6BSST later that year, which were manufactured and sold at a favorable exchange rate, at very good prices. Over time, the Canadian dollar crept about even and then retreated.
Result of your query for CAD/USD
Year Average Rate
1990 0.857188
1991 0.872637
1992 0.828136
1993 0.775451
1994 0.732021
1995 0.728802
1996 0.733274
1997 0.722222
1998 0.674779
1999 0.673156
2000 0.673519
2001 0.646223
2002 0.636723
2003 0.718459
2004 0.770234
2005 0.826569
2006 0.881772
2007 0.935147
2008 0.944173
2009 0.880059
2010 0.970701
2011 1.011464
2012 1.000230
2013 0.971164
2014 0.905912
2015 0.782992
2016 0.704131
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Here's the converse:
Result of your query for USD/CAD
Year Average Rate
1990 1.166777
1991 1.146045
1992 1.208519
1993 1.290220
1994 1.366427
1995 1.372511
1996 1.363832
1997 1.384948
1998 1.483612
1999 1.485809
2000 1.485280
2001 1.547925
2002 1.570885
2003 1.395450
2004 1.300730
2005 1.210707
2006 1.134390
2007 1.074387
2008 1.065788
2009 1.141433
2010 1.030533
2011 0.989323
2012 0.999997
2013 1.030084
2014 1.104347
2015 1.279163
2016 1.420587
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Just think before long with wages never increasing, more taxes, cost of living going out of sight, medical care and any insurance taking most of our wage, expensive audio gear or anything these days well could be an after thought instead of a possible purchase. Makes the equipment we have now seem rather enjoyable.
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Just think before long with wages never increasing, more taxes, cost of living going out of sight, medical care and any insurance taking most of our wage, expensive audio gear or anything these days well could be an after thought instead of a possible purchase. Makes the equipment we have now seem rather enjoyable.
For sure, I have to consider the new prices and weather or not I will gain enough over my older models in sound quality ( i.e 4bst over a 4b sst squared.) :cry:
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I have a 4b St with a few upgrades and a stock 4b sst2. You will notice the difference. Question is will the cubed be noticeably better than the squared?
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I have a 4b St with a few upgrades and a stock 4b sst2. You will notice the difference. Question is will the cubed be noticeably better than the squared?
Harder question would be: will it be 10% or 15% better than SST2? :duh: :duh: :duh:
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Unfortunately I think any initial plans I had about upgrading my 28's will be faced with the reality, at least here in Canada that the upgrade won't justify the cost especially when we see the difference between Canada vs US. We won't know for sure until James gets us the Canada and US prices but I suspect I would be best served waiting until the dollars readjust to being closer to par. It'll happen eventually, it may take a few years.
Just the higher Canadian price vs US on the new Cubed amps themselves may very well be enough to keep me from purchasing any 7's which I wanted to do.
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Harder question would be: will it be 10% or 15% better than SST2? :duh: :duh: :duh:
It's tough to put a percentage on it as the differences may be more prevalent in some systems and minimal in others.
So far in my setups I have had a chance to listen to the Cubed 7B's and the 4B's and the lower mids and upper bass has more body and better transient response and the soundstage space is more extended in terms of width. depth and height while still maintaning good image placement.
james
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It's tough to put a percentage on it as the differences may be more prevalent in some systems and minimal in others.
I obviously understand that and mine was more a provocation due to the fact that the current SST2 range already has a very high price point here in my country so it will become hard to justify ourselves an additional increase above the initial 10% originally stated.
But let's live and see what happens...
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(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=135921)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=135922)
Pricing was not known but nice shot of the new amp. :thumb:
james
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Kudos to James and Bryston.
Whether I upgrade my 28's, or sell/trade and buy new, I've decided not to be without Bryston. I am fully invested in whatever Bryston decides because these give me the most satisfaction out of a lot of gear.
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I have a 4b St with a few upgrades and a stock 4b sst2. You will notice the difference. Question is will the cubed be noticeably better than the squared?
Just wondering what upgrades could be done to the 4bst ?
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I wasn't upgraded to a SST or SST2, that wasn't possible. Several years ago Bryston did replace (upgraded) some existing components with longer lasting and higher reliability components, at least that is what they told me. Service didn't say what they had replaced but it was done over and above the original issue with a switch. Certainly speaks volumes about the excellence of Bryston's support and service.
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James will the new pro versions have the same faceplate ?
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James will the new pro versions have the same faceplate ?
Hi
The Pro versions will have the current faceplates not the new ones.
james
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Just wondering what upgrades could be done to the 4bst ?
Hi
The 4B ST does not have any updates available as it is a much older design.
james
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Hi
The Pro versions will have the current faceplates not the new ones.
james
Thanks James and did you say they are only in black ?
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Thanks James and did you say they are only in black ?
Correct Pro is only available in Black.
james
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Arrived at any prices yet?
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Arrived at any prices yet?
The accountants tell me for sure this week :thumb:
james
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The accountants tell me for sure this week :thumb:
james
Let's start the countdown (assuming the working week ends on friday...) :D :D :D
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So by the sounds of things the faceplates won't be changed on upgraded SST2's so what about the other way around, can the cubed amps be ordered with the SST2 faceplates so we at least have an opportunity to keep the looks of our mixed bag of amps the same? :D
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So by the sounds of things the faceplates won't be changed on upgraded SST2's so what about the other way around, can the cubed amps be ordered with the SST2 faceplates so we at least have an opportunity to keep the looks of our mixed bag of amps the same? :D
We may be able to in the short term for as long as the SST2 faceplates are available - I would not recommend it though as it may hamper any resale.
james
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Just think before long with wages never increasing, more taxes, cost of living going out of sight, medical care and any insurance taking most of our wage, expensive audio gear or anything these days well could be an after thought instead of a possible purchase. Makes the equipment we have now seem rather enjoyable.
One will just need to reorder priorities. I am sure the wife will understand why she has to take on a second job :icon_lol:
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First thing, can not wait to hear the improvement from the SST2s version :thumb:....
Will you have any special events in Toronto to showcase the amplifiers in action?
And any timeline on the 6B and 9B introductions of the new cube version?
Ciao, Luigi
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One will just need to reorder priorities. I am sure the wife will understand why she has to take on a second job :icon_lol:
Now there's an idea :lol:
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First thing, can not wait to hear the improvement from the SST2s version :thumb:....
Will you have any special events in Toronto to showcase the amplifiers in action?
And any timeline on the 6B and 9B introductions of the new cube version?
Ciao, Luigi
Hi Luigi
It may be a while as we think we want to incorporate ethernet connections on the 6B and 9B as they are generally used in Surround systems and connectivity seems to be a priority with our dealers and distributors.
james
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Hi Luigi
It may be a while as we think we want to incorporate ethernet connections on the 6B and 9B as they are generally used in Surround systems and connectivity seems to be a priority with our dealers and distributors.
james
So what excatly would control the amps? Would this strictly be a proprietary connection to just the SP3 via ethernet?
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So what excatly would control the amps? Would this strictly be a proprietary connection to just the SP3 via ethernet?
To allow the amplifier to me monitored remotely by the dealer for updates or problem solving etc. and to allow the amplifier to be control and be available on the wifi network.
james
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Hello, a reseller here in Italy just told me the new series will be presented in Europe at the Munich High End which is scheduled in the beginning of May. Can we still expect to get them any sooner?
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Hello, a reseller here in Italy just told me the new series will be presented in Europe at the Munich High End which is scheduled in the beginning of May. Can we still expect to get them any sooner?
Hi
We start shipping Cubed units next week but the first 2 runs are presold.
james
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Thank you James, so price is defined at this point i guess. Can you tell is for which markets are you shipping?When will you update the corporate website?
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Thank you James, so price is defined at this point i guess. Can you tell is for which markets are you shipping?When will you update the corporate website?
It looks like the price increases will vary from 5% to 10% on the DACs and BDP's and Preamps etc. and 10-12% on the new Cubed amps depending on model. Should finally have prices Monday.
james
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It looks like the price increases will vary from 5% to 10% on the DACs and BDP's and Preamps etc. and 10-12% on the new Cubed amps depending on model. Should finally have prices Monday.
james
James - Will the BDA-3 have a price increase since it was just recently released? If so, will pending backorders still be filled at its original price? TIA!
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James - Will the BDA-3 have a price increase since it was just recently released? If so, will pending backorders still be filled at its original price? TIA!
No it is staying the same.
james
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Will the pro versions have any labelling indicating the cubed logo :scratch: ?
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Will the pro versions have any labelling indicating the cubed logo :scratch: ?
Just the Label on the back
james
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Hi James,
Your response below is very interesting. I've always known Bryston amplifiers, especially the SST2 to apply ruler flat / linear amplification to the input signal. Your description indicates that the lower mids / upper bass with the Cube series has more body. Could this be interpreted as additional warmth? And, would this manifest itself in an even flatter response than the SST2 or is there some lower midrange emphasis / non-linearity present that is desireable?
In addition, with the lower distortion in the input stage, are you also perceiving greater detail retrieval or perhaps a quieter / black background that lets you more easily perceive detail within the soundstage?
It's tough to put a percentage on it as the differences may be more prevalent in some systems and minimal in others.
So far in my setups I have had a chance to listen to the Cubed 7B's and the 4B's and the lower mids and upper bass has more body and better transient response and the soundstage space is more extended in terms of width. depth and height while still maintaning good image placement.
james
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Hi Soundgame
I have been thinking about how to best describe the differences with the Cubed Series vs the SST2 Series as the press has been asking me to put together something. So here goes:
Bryston Cubed Differences
I can explain the differences and the thinking behind the 3 or Cubed Series amps, but it's a bit complex and long-winded, sorry:
A few years ago, we had a review in a Swedish magazine that pronounced the 14B SST2 to be 'perfect'. That was not based on 'he liked it'; it had nothing to do with auditory preference, it had to do with transparency. The reviewer had and still has a setup where he can literally 'bypass' an amplifier to drop it out of the signal path, (dummy speaker load, gain-reduction L-pad, leading to a second amplifier to the speakers). The 14B SST2 turned out to be impossible to detect in the signal path, on any signal they tried, from simple guitar music to full orchestra ffff, to an electronic metronome with instant rise time and no overshoot. And it was the first audio device in his history to do so.
That does not mean the amplifier is actually 'perfect', of course. It just means that it is not contributing, (or subtracting), anything the ear can detect, to or from the signal path in an otherwise exemplary system.
From that result and many others of our own, we concluded that static distortion measurements do not tell the whole story. It would seem that if static THD and IMD are low enough, 0.001% or -100dB, they cease to be relevant factors in the transparency of the device. More important are time smear, deviations in frequency-response, dynamic distortions, noise within the device or from RF interference, etc.
Thus we did not introduce our new 'Salomie' input stage (which we received a patent on) simply to reduce static distortion. Our newest 'Cubed Series' amplifiers do have lower THD and IMD than the 'Squared Series' that preceded them but not significantly so. They measure out at about 0.001% or a bit below, over almost the entire frequency band. However, and we consider this to be most important, they are quieter and more musically accurate in a number of ways; First, the 20-20K noise is reduced, but the new input stage has far better PSRR, or power-supply rejection ratio. This means hash on the power-supply is rejected, in this case by more than 140dB. The input stage also has much better CMRR, or common-mode rejection. That means it rejects noise coming in on the signal cable much more completely than before. These are dynamic issues that can show up in a real-world system completely apart from static THD and IMD.
In addition to the above, the new Cubed Series employs highly effective RF rejection in the power supplies, which traps and eliminates radio-frequency hash from either interfering with or emanating from the amplifier via the power cable or signal cables.
The audible improvements we realized with these approaches are rather subtle. They would have to be with amps that started out 'perfect' in at least one reviewer's description, but they show up from very low listening levels, almost whisper-quiet, where the silences are more inky-black than before. It's almost an unconscious realization. They amps also cope better with dirt and hash of all kinds on the power cord, from distorted 60Hz Voltage to RF. Thus the quiet middle-of-the-night listening is even more relaxing and emotionally accessible. The depth of the soundstage and the precision of instrument placement is closer to reality than ever before.
Of course, that's what it really boils down to; recreating the original musical experience in your home. The 'you are there' feeling. It's what we have been pursuing from day one, and are still focused on. The Cubed Series is closer than ever.
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Very nice description of the differences, thanks for posting that.
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I know the persons behind the first test, since then they have found only one (1!) amplifier that have the same degree of performance as the 14B-SST with the modified output filters.
Original test from LTS (http://ftp://bryston.com/pub/reviews/Swedish%20Review%2014B%20SST,%20part%20III.pdf)
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I know the persons behind the first test, since then they have found only one (1!) amplifier that have the same degree of performance as the 14B-SST with the modified output filters.
Original test from LTS (http://ftp://bryston.com/pub/reviews/Swedish%20Review%2014B%20SST,%20part%20III.pdf)
Thanks Ola_S but it does not seem to connect to the review for me?
james
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Is that the old Swedish mod?
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Is that the old Swedish mod?
Yes the inductors where changed back then.
james
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Hi James,
Thanks very much for sharing this. I look forward to experiencing the new 4B3 in my own listening room shortly - my order is in!
On the finish - it seems to appear that the new Cubed series is a little more of a whiter / less shimmery appearance than the Squared series. Would that be a correct perception?
Cheers
Hi Soundgame
I have been thinking about how to best describe the differences with the Cubed Series vs the SST2 Series as the press has been asking me to put together something. So here goes:
Bryston Cubed Differences
I can explain the differences and the thinking behind the 3 or Cubed Series amps, but it's a bit complex and long-winded, sorry:
A few years ago, we had a review in a Swedish magazine that pronounced the 14B SST2 to be 'perfect'. That was not based on 'he liked it'; it had nothing to do with auditory preference, it had to do with transparency. The reviewer had and still has a setup where he can literally 'bypass' an amplifier to drop it out of the signal path, (dummy speaker load, gain-reduction L-pad, leading to a second amplifier to the speakers). The 14B SST2 turned out to be impossible to detect in the signal path, on any signal they tried, from simple guitar music to full orchestra ffff, to an electronic metronome with instant rise time and no overshoot. And it was the first audio device in his history to do so.
That does not mean the amplifier is actually 'perfect', of course. It just means that it is not contributing, (or subtracting), anything the ear can detect, to or from the signal path in an otherwise exemplary system.
From that result and many others of our own, we concluded that static distortion measurements do not tell the whole story. It would seem that if static THD and IMD are low enough, 0.001% or -100dB, they cease to be relevant factors in the transparency of the device. More important are time smear, deviations in frequency-response, dynamic distortions, noise within the device or from RF interference, etc.
Thus we did not introduce our new 'Salomie' input stage (which we received a patent on) simply to reduce static distortion. Our newest 'Cubed Series' amplifiers do have lower THD and IMD than the 'Squared Series' that preceded them but not significantly so. They measure out at about 0.001% or a bit below, over almost the entire frequency band. However, and we consider this to be most important, they are quieter and more musically accurate in a number of ways; First, the 20-20K noise is reduced, but the new input stage has far better PSRR, or power-supply rejection ratio. This means hash on the power-supply is rejected, in this case by more than 140dB. The input stage also has much better CMRR, or common-mode rejection. That means it rejects noise coming in on the signal cable much more completely than before. These are dynamic issues that can show up in a real-world system completely apart from static THD and IMD.
In addition to the above, the new Cubed Series employs highly effective RF rejection in the power supplies, which traps and eliminates radio-frequency hash from either interfering with or emanating from the amplifier via the power cable or signal cables.
The audible improvements we realized with these approaches are rather subtle. They would have to be with amps that started out 'perfect' in at least one reviewer's description, but they show up from very low listening levels, almost whisper-quiet, where the silences are more inky-black than before. It's almost an unconscious realization. They amps also cope better with dirt and hash of all kinds on the power cord, from distorted 60Hz Voltage to RF. Thus the quiet middle-of-the-night listening is even more relaxing and emotionally accessible. The depth of the soundstage and the precision of instrument placement is closer to reality than ever before.
Of course, that's what it really boils down to; recreating the original musical experience in your home. The 'you are there' feeling. It's what we have been pursuing from day one, and are still focused on. The Cubed Series is closer than ever.
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Hi James,
Thanks very much for sharing this. I look forward to experiencing the new 4B3 in my own listening room shortly - my order is in!
On the finish - it seems to appear that the new Cubed series is a little more of a whiter / less shimmery appearance than the Squared series. Would that be a correct perception?
Cheers
Hi
Yes good observation. The new Silver is what they call "bead blasted".
James
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MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Best of CES 2016 – Bryston Cubed Amplifiers[/b]
February 2016
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=136334)
Bryston 4B3 (Cubed) stereo amplifier
“For me, the most important electronics introduced at CES 2016 were Bryston’s new Cubed amplifiers.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=136335)
The 2.5B³, 3B³, and 4B³ stereo amps and 7B³, 14B³, and 28B³ monoblocks are all direct replacements of earlier, similarly named Squared models introduced eight years ago, the names of all of which end with the suffix SST2. (For this new line, Bryston has decided to ditch SST and simply close the superscript 3 up to the B³.
Bryston’s SST2 models have long been held in high regard including by SoundStage! Network writers -- each model offers exceptional sound quality at a very reasonable price, and is backed by a 20-year warranty. And Bryston has a sterling reputation for fixing everything they make, no questions asked. (I’ve run across many companies that offer long warranties, but refuse to fix a problem if they can find a way to blame the buyer for it.)
The Cubed models are purported to sound and measure even better than the Squareds, mainly because of a new, patented input stage that Bryston claims reduces the Squared models’ levels of distortion by 90%. The rejection of common-mode and EMI/RFI noise are also said to be improved. And the Cubeds’ front panels look better than the Squareds’
To me, the sweet spot of Bryston’s Squared line was the 4BSST2 stereo amp -- its power outputs of 300Wpc into 8 ohms or 500Wpc into 4 ohms are enough for most situations, and its retail price is low enough that many serious audiophiles on a budget can afford it.
For me, the 4BSST2 has always been a great benchmark to judge other amps against -- which is why, for a couple of years, my reference system included one. Now there’s the 4B³, with the same specified power outputs and the improvements noted above. Given that the new models are all basically the same as the old, I suspect that the 4B³ will remain the sweet spot in the new line.
As I write this, none of the prices for the Cubed models have been set. But if Bryston’s prices for the new series remain in line with its past products, I suspect that the 4B³ will not cost much more than the previous model -- in which case it should represent at least as good a value as its predecessor.”
Doug Schneider
das@soundstagenetwork.com[/b]
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Yes good observation. The new Silver is what they call "bead blasted".
James
I assume the black versions are the same brushed finish ?
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I assume the black versions are the same brushed finish ?
Correct.
james
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So with that report that you referred to about measuring the "perfect" amp, since it was just the 14 they measured, I assume they didn't measure the rest of the amps? Would it be safe to say that the others, if not all say the 7 and 28 at least would measure the same?
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So with that report that you referred to about measuring the "perfect" amp, since it was just the 14 they measured, I assume they didn't measure the rest of the amps? Would it be safe to say that the others, if not all say the 7 and 28 at least would measure the same?
Correct - there is no 'better/best' with Bryston
james
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It looks like the price increases will vary from 5% to 10% on the DACs and BDP's and Preamps etc. and 10-12% on the new Cubed amps depending on model. Should finally have prices Monday.
james
.....and they are?
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Hi James,
Looking great, but:
Are purported? Seems hardly a definitive audition nor test to handout the Best-of-CES-award :scratch:
Is this based on Bryston's announcements only, or did some serious testing take place. The noisy CES seems hardly the place to audition the reduced noise capabilities of the Cubed series ;) Let alone compare them to the already magnificent lineup of the SST2 series i would think.
Ah well, never mind.
Cheers,
Marius
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Best of CES 2016 – Bryston Cubed Amplifiers
February 2016
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=136334)
Bryston 4B3 (Cubed) stereo amplifier[size=78%]
[/size]“For me, the most important electronics introduced at CES 2016 were Bryston’s new Cubed amplifiers. [size=78%]
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=136335)
The 2.5B³, 3B³, and 4B³ stereo amps and 7B³, 14B³, and 28B³ monoblocks are all direct replacements of earlier, similarly named Squared models introduced eight years ago, the names of all of which end with the suffix SST2. (For this new line, Bryston has decided to ditch SST and simply close the superscript 3 up to the B³.
Bryston’s SST2 models have long been held in high regard including by SoundStage! Network writers -- each model offers exceptional sound quality at a very reasonable price, and is backed by a 20-year warranty. And Bryston has a sterling reputation for fixing everything they make, no questions asked. (I’ve run across many companies that offer long warranties, but refuse to fix a problem if they can find a way to blame the buyer for it.)
The Cubed models are purported to sound and measure even better than the Squareds, mainly because of a new, patented input stage that Bryston claims reduces the Squared models’ levels of distortion by 90%. The rejection of common-mode and EMI/RFI noise are also said to be improved. And the Cubeds’ front panels look better than the Squareds’
To me, the sweet spot of Bryston’s Squared line was the 4BSST2 stereo amp -- its power outputs of 300Wpc into 8 ohms or 500Wpc into 4 ohms are enough for most situations, and its retail price is low enough that many serious audiophiles on a budget can afford it.
For me, the 4BSST2 has always been a great benchmark to judge other amps against -- which is why, for a couple of years, my reference system included one. Now there’s the 4B³, with the same specified power outputs and the improvements noted above. Given that the new models are all basically the same as the old, I suspect that the 4B³ will remain the sweet spot in the new line.
As I write this, none of the prices for the Cubed models have been set. But if Bryston’s prices for the new series remain in line with its past products, I suspect that the 4B³ will not cost much more than the previous model -- in which case it should represent at least as good a value as its predecessor.”
Doug Schneider
das@soundstagenetwork.com
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Hi Marius.
It's a good question but Soundstage has heard our demos many, many times in Vegas and other places and they were very impressed with what they heard with our demo in Vegas. So I think that was part of the reason as well as they have always felt our amplifiers represented the best available at affordable prices and based on the demo would expect the same from the Cubed series.
Also as you say judging things at a show is seen as difficult but everyone of the manufactures are faced with similar issues and as I have said many times "the demo is everything." The rest is rhetoric!
James
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Hi James,
Guess we can shake hands with Soundstage, as we expect nothing less either! Nothing but the best from Bryston, that's why were here, at least i am.
Seemed a bit silly, to base a review (and award) on expectations though.
No less enjoyment on this side of my current 28b's..
Thanks and all the best with the Cubes.
Marius
Hi Marius.
It's a good question but Soundstage has heard our demos many, many times in Vegas and other places and they were very impressed with what they heard with our demo in Vegas. So I think that was part of the reason as well as they have always felt our amplifiers represented the best available at affordable prices and based on the demo would expect the same from the Cubed series.
Also as you say judging things at a show is seen as difficult but everyone of the manufactures are faced with similar issues and as I have said many times "the demo is everything." The rest is rhetoric!
James
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Thanks Ola_S but it does not seem to connect to the review for me?
james
I was commenting on the first part that you wrote James:
A few years ago, we had a review in a Swedish magazine that pronounced the 14B SST2 to be 'perfect'. That was not based on 'he liked it'; it had nothing to do with auditory preference, it had to do with transparency. The reviewer had and still has a setup where he can literally 'bypass' an amplifier to drop it out of the signal path, (dummy speaker load, gain-reduction L-pad, leading to a second amplifier to the speakers). The 14B SST2 turned out to be impossible to detect in the signal path, on any signal they tried, from simple guitar music to full orchestra ffff, to an electronic metronome with instant rise time and no overshoot. And it was the first audio device in his history to do so.
Just added the link to the test you refereed to and commented that the "old" 14B-SST has only been joined by one(!) more amplifiers since then, the Holographic Audio AMP 27 (27dBw), this implies that the cube series must be "mega"! :thumb:
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I was commenting on the first part that you wrote James:
Just added the link to the test you refereed to and commented that the "old" 14B-SST has only been joined by one(!) more amplifiers since then, the Holographic Audio AMP 27 (27dBw), this implies that the cube series must be "mega"! :thumb:
OK thanks
james
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I think the new Cubed Amps look pretty spiffy, although I am happy with the look of my 7BSST2's. And I am happy with the sound as well.
Am I happy about the new Amps replacing the older SST2's, considering I've only owned my 7's for about 10 months now? Well, no, and yes.
I had assumed, like other audio equipment, that "time marches on", and that there would come a point in time where Bryston would introduce newer models.
But it is pleasing to hear that there will be an upgrade path should an owner choose such modification enhancements to the SST2 Series.
From James' writings, it appears one can keep the SST2 Faceplates, and perhaps then this route would slightly lessen the upgrade costs per Unit I would presume?
Would I consider the upgrade path for my pair? I might, maybe, but only "if" one of my Amps should ever fail and has to be sent back for repair under warrantee. And as you folks well know, I might be waiting for a long, long time!
My current thoughts about my Amps at this point in time are, "Don't fix what isn't broken".
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This past weekend I spent extended time listening to my system as I have a new cartridge I'm breaking in, a Grado Reference Master 1. I have Bryston 28B SST2 power amps and the entire system is on a dedicated 20 amp line.
I am still blown away by the sonic qualities of your flagship amps.
James, if your team has improved upon them.... my hat is off. What I heard a few days ago was absolutely sublime.
Does this mean the entire Cubed series get the delicate sweetness I hear from the 28B SST2's? I had the 4B SST2 prior, and I hear the family similarities but also the differences. It's like the 28's have a bit o' honey in them.
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This past weekend I spent extended time listening to my system as I have a new cartridge I'm breaking in, a Grado Reference Master 1. I have Bryston 28B SST2 power amps and the entire system is on a dedicated 20 amp line.
I am still blown away by the sonic qualities of your flagship amps.
James, if your team has improved upon them.... my hat is off. What I heard a few days ago was absolutely sublime.
Does this mean the entire Cubed series get the delicate sweetness I hear from the 28B SST2's? I had the 4B SST2 prior, and I hear the family similarities but also the differences. It's like the 28's have a bit o' honey in them.
I think the advantage the 28B's have is they just do not give a s..t what the load on the speaker is. So its an amplifier that is always in relax mode. I had one customer tell me his 28B was the best tweeter amp he had ever heard. :lol:
james
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I've really liked seeing the pics of the chasis and faceplate of the new Cubed amps; however, we all know that beauty is only skin deep - whatever guage that might be....
James, could you share some of the top-off inside shots of the 4B3 and maybe 7B3 vs their predecessors? Would love to see if the inside changes are visible to the untrained eye.
Thanks.
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I've really liked seeing the pics of the chasis and faceplate of the new Cubed amps; however, we all know that beauty is only skin deep - whatever guage that might be....
James, could you share some of the top-off inside shots of the 4B3 and maybe 7B3 vs their predecessors? Would love to see if the inside changes are visible to the untrained eye.
Thanks.
Hi
I will try and get some shots but other than the new backboard and softstart section it will look very similar.
james
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Okay, thanks James.
Has pricing officially announced, as well? I know you shared the range of 10 to 12% up.
Hi
I will try and get some shots but other than the new backboard and softstart section it will look very similar.
james
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Okay, thanks James.
Has pricing officially announced, as well? I know you shared the range of 10 to 12% up.
Yes the prices were sent out today - 10% increase.
james
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I think the advantage the 28B's have is they just do not give a s..t what the load on the speaker is. So its an amplifier that is always in relax mode. I had one customer tell me his 28B was the best tweeter amp he had ever heard. :lol:
james
Absolutely agree with this. I am very sensitive to the high end and if it's aggressive or forward, it kills me. My 28BSST2 amps are amazing!
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Yes the prices were sent out today - 10% increase.
james
Hi James,
How does the increase apply to the upgrade price from the 28BSST2 to the 28Bcubed? What can we expect to pay for the upgrade for a pair of 28's?
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Hi James,
How does the increase apply to the upgrade price from the 28BSST2 to the 28Bcubed? What can we expect to pay for the upgrade for a pair of 28's?
Sorry - no idea at this point. I have to look at the mechanics involved and what changes are needed - should know in a month or so.
james
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Thank you James.
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I think the advantage the 28B's have is they just do not give a s..t what the load on the speaker is. So its an amplifier that is always in relax mode. I had one customer tell me his 28B was the best tweeter amp he had ever heard. :lol:
james
You can almost say that about the 7B SST2 as well. Mine have spent the past six years driving one of the most notorious amp killers ever made. They not only made them sound an order of magnitude better they did so without breaking a sweat. I bought a new pair of speakers recently that are a normal load and the 7's think they have died and gone to heaven. They are flat out loafing now :thumb:
James, you can count me in with those who are interested in the Cubed Series upgrade.
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I am going to pick up a 2 year old 4BSST2 for $3300. That will tap me out for the upgrade this year. I'll move my 2.5 as a mono for my center. Guess I'll have to suffer for 1 year w/the inferior sound of the SST2's. :green: :duh:
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Count me in for the 7's upgrade....
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Have you guys seen the prices yet? I'm trying to decide right now between a used pair of 7B-SST2's I have lined up to be potentially upgraded later on down the road vs just getting the 7B3's outright.
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Get the cube,20 year warranty
Enjoy now
I have been living with the pair of 3bsst
Maybe someday I can move up to the cube
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=136698)
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First production run - Cubed 4B's and 7B's getting ready for their new owners :thumb:
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=136843)
james
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Congrats!
So have all the details been worked out about the upgrade program? Cost, timeline when the program will start and the cosmetic changes, you confirmed new back panels but what about the front, was the decision made that the fronts wouldn't be upgraded.
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Congrats!
So have all the details been worked out about the upgrade program? Cost, timeline when the program will start and the cosmetic changes, you confirmed new back panels but what about the front, was the decision made that the fronts wouldn't be upgraded.
Hi
No there are some mechanical issues we are trying to work out before I can commit.
james
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Thanks James
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Hi
No there are some mechanical issues we are trying to work out before I can commit.
james
Hi James what is the price for 4b3 in Canada
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Hi
No there are some mechanical issues we are trying to work out before I can commit.
james
A 4b3 new.
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Hi James what is the price for 4b3 in Canada
$5,695 for the time being.
james
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So what was the SST2 price, was it $4,995?
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So what was the SST2 price, was it $4,995?
Correct.
James
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Thanks, so the price increases will be scary once you up it again soon to account for the dollar :o
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Thanks, so the price increases will be scary once you up it again soon to account for the dollar :o
I am doing my best to hold it to a minimum.
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Any top shots bearing the inside layout available? Nothing like seeing a Bryston topless...lol.
Oh, and I think I asked this before. Does the new square protrusion on the new front faceplates accommodate anything new behind it or perhaps additional access, modular construction? Just curious if it was part of the engineering design or purely stylistic. Who came up with it?
First production run - Cubed 4B's and 7B's getting ready for their new owners :thumb:
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=136843)
james
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Hi Marius.
It's a good question but Soundstage has heard our demos many, many times in Vegas and other places and they were very impressed with what they heard with our demo in Vegas. So I think that was part of the reason as well as they have always felt our amplifiers represented the best available at affordable prices and based on the demo would expect the same from the Cubed series.
Also as you say judging things at a show is seen as difficult but everyone of the manufactures are faced with similar issues and as I have said many times "the demo is everything." The rest is rhetoric!
James
It might also be like the criteria used for "Car of the Year" awards from magazines (eg Motor Trend) or journalists (eg Automobile Journalists Association of Canada (AJAC); to be in the running at all, you pretty much need to be a new model or a significant update (new "generation") of an existing model.
We see an illustrative example this year in that the GMC Canyon / Chevrolet Colorado won some awards last year (2015) as a new model introduction, and again this year due to the new availability of a Diesel powerplant option; the Diesel versions (only) are winning awards this model year (2016) but the awards do not include the gas engined versions.
I think since the x3 versions of the Bryston power amps are a new "generation" introduction, they are on the radar for product of the year / show / etc awards this year, in competition with other all-new power amplifiers and audio products in general.
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$5,695 for the time being.
james
Out of my price range. A nice used silver sst2 will work fine.
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Hi Folks:
Getting a good start on our Cubed Backorders:
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=137255)
james
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Great to see James.
I believe you are refreshing the non-amplifier i.e. preamplifier, DAC etc. faceplates to match the new Cubed Series styling - correct? Do you have any pics of the first runs of these? I assume a few clients have put in orders for the Cubed amps with matching preamps or BDP/BDA.
Thanks!
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Looks like silver outnumbers black and handles outnumber non-handled. I can only guess that green lights outnumber blue lights - perhaps by 4:1?
Hi Folks:
Getting a good start on our Cubed Backorders:
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=137255)
james
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James , I'm dying to see pix of the 4B 3 with the hood off.... :eyebrows:
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I spot a pair of non cubed faceplates in that lineup, would that be one of the 1st SST2's in for an upgrade?
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I spot a pair of non cubed faceplates in that lineup, would that be one of the 1st SST2's in for an upgrade?
Hi
No we have a few orders from people wanting SST units.
James
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James,
taking a close look to the right side of the shelf...are these a few black cd players??
al.
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James,
taking a close look to the right side of the shelf...are these a few black cd players??
al.
Hi Al
No they are BDA 3 DAC's going through the 4 day burn-in procedure.
james
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Hi
No we have a few orders from people wanting SST units.
James
Interesting, how long as you offering SST2's to be built?
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Interesting, how long as you offering SST2's to be built?
Hi
Until we run out of the older parts (keeping some for repairs etc.)
james
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Hi
Not sure on that - I would assume so but will have to check. There are no fuses in the circuit path only on the power inlet.
james
Hi James, any further update on this?
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Hi James, any further update on this?
Sorry - do you mean can the fuses be replaced?
james
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Sorry - do you mean can the fuses be replaced?
james
Hi James, yes I meant the fuse at the power inlet. If its the same as SST2 on the 4B. Thanks :D
Also, if you can give us an rough idea when the upgrade kit pricing would likely be available? Cheers~
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Sorry - do you mean can the fuses be replaced?
james
Hi James can you please tell us what upgrades have you done 4b2 to the 4b3
Thanks
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Hi James, yes I meant the fuse at the power inlet. If its the same as SST2 on the 4B. Thanks :D
Also, if you can give us an rough idea when the upgrade kit pricing would likely be available? Cheers~
Yes the fuse is the same. I would say another 30 days or so on the upgrade - there are some mechanical issues we are working on.
james
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Hi James can you please tell us what upgrades have you done 4b2 to the 4b3
Thanks
Hi
We have not done any upgrades yet.
james
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Hi
We have not done any upgrades yet.
james
Sorry James I meant what changes have you done. (Guts)?
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Sorry James I meant what changes have you done. (Guts)?
Oh sorry - completely new input stage (which we received the patent on) which requires a new backboard. New soft-start circuit and power section. New power supply transformers, some small circuit changes, and new cosmetics.
james
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Yes the fuse is the same. I would say another 30 days or so on the upgrade - there are some mechanical issues we are working on.
james
Thats great to know. I can keep the aftermarket fuse in! :thumb:
James, while typing the above line I was turning on my system and playing some music.
Then I realized my 4BSST2 right channel is a little more then half as loud as my left speaker or terribly soft :duh: I thought my speakers was doing that but when I switch the speakers cable from left to right channel the same issue goes to the left speaker. So I tried switching channels on my preamp and source as well - they are all good.
What could go wrong?? I should have started a new thread...been bending over and switching cables for the last 2 hours figuring this out wears me out... :sad:
PLEASE HELP
Maybe the amp is getting home sick and can't wait to go back to Ontario, Canada!~
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Oh sorry - completely new input stage (which we received the patent on) which requires a new backboard. New soft-start circuit and power section. New power supply transformers, some small circuit changes, and new cosmetics.
james
James do you think we can get a picture with the top off of the 4b3?
Thank you
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James do you think we can get a picture with the top off of the 4b3?
Thank you
Hi Jimmy71: I had this problem once on a balanced cable and I'll bet you are using a balanced cable where one signal wire has come apart so you are in effect getting 50% of the total signal. Either try another pair of balanced cables or use unbalanced and I think you will find everything comes back to normal. In my case I had to return the defective new cable back to the USA :green: for replacement.
Hope this helps.
Roger
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Thats great to know. I can keep the aftermarket fuse in! :thumb:
James, while typing the above line I was turning on my system and playing some music.
Then I realized my 4BSST2 right channel is a little more then half as loud as my left speaker or terribly soft :duh: I thought my speakers was doing that but when I switch the speakers cable from left to right channel the same issue goes to the left speaker. So I tried switching channels on my preamp and source as well - they are all good.
What could go wrong?? I should have started a new thread...been bending over and switching cables for the last 2 hours figuring this out wears me out... :sad:
PLEASE HELP
Maybe the amp is getting home sick and can't wait to go back to Ontario, Canada!~
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Sounds like it might be the cable - if its a balanced cable and becomes unbalanced due to poor connection it would drop in level by 6dB
james
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Any images of any of the updated faceplates for the BDP, BDA, BP etc. that are being done to match them to the new Cubed amps?
Was anything shown in Vegas of updated faceplates for the non-amp components?
Thanks!
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James do you think we can get a picture with the top off of the 4b3?
Thank you
That's what I was hoping for in my earlier post....I always like to see the arrangement of parts...makes me feel like I know the component better :thumb:
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Any images of any of the updated faceplates for the BDP, BDA, BP etc. that are being done to match them to the new Cubed amps?
Was anything shown in Vegas of updated faceplates for the non-amp components?
Thanks!
Hi
No the other products are not changing cosmetics.
james
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larevoj - at the risk of stating the obvious - are the amplifier gain settings matched for both channels? Are they both set to either 29db or 23db. I had the same problem driving me crazy until I realized that I had inadvertently switched one of the channels to 23db, while the other channel remained on 29db.
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No the other products are not changing cosmetics.
Although I assume that the same aluminum is used for the faceplates in the SST3 amps as in the other unchanged components, does the new bead-blasted finish vs. the older brushed finish have any apparent color difference as the light strikes a different surface ?
Could you show a photo of an SST3 amp with a BDA, BDP, etc. stacked so that we can see how they might match up?
Steve
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Although I assume that the same aluminum is used for the faceplates in the SST3 amps as in the other unchanged components, does the new bead-blasted finish vs. the older brushed finish have any apparent color difference as the light strikes a different surface ?
Could you show a photo of an SST3 amp with a BDA, BDP, etc. stacked so that we can see how they might match up?
Steve
Hi Steve
The new beaded finish looks much softer than the standard finish on the preamps etc.
james
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James do you think we can get a picture with the top off of the 4b3?
Thank you
Jimmy ...I had the same Problem ..To the Tea
1st Check your XLR cables Make sure they are all Tight ..... all of them ..if you have a BPD,BCD,BDA Tight
2nd Check your Speaker Cables ... they Must be Tight .... right to your amplifiers or amplifier
3rd make Sure all connections are solid ... no movement at all .
3rdA My System is Balanced from head to Toe ....
4th My problem was My Banana connectors connecting to my RIGHT Speaker and my right 4bsst2 were loose ouch......
5th BP26 Make sure All Connection are Solid .. . no movement at all .
Robert
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Guys, here is what I did.
Check all cables connection XLR and Speakers cables
- polarity
- physical connectivity
- continuity using ohm meter
Switches behind 4BSST2
- Balanced Input
- 23dB
- Individual Mode
Preamp XLR out
- switch from amplifier to headphone amplifier and no issue
Source CDP XLR out
- switch from preamp to headphone amplifier and no issue
Connect speakers to respective left and right channel
- the issue is presenting itself on the right speaker
Switch speakers cables from left channel to right
- the issue is presenting itself on the left speaker
Finally I loan a ARC Ref75SE amplifier and connect all wires in - no issue
- this confirms the issue is at the amplifier right channel
Connect all wires back to the 4BSST2 the issue came back on the right channel.
Tried the following unorthodox methods out of desperation...
Switched from Individual Mode to Bridged
- Both speakers have equal level of loudness and balanced but each speaker sound like mono and softer
After a couple of mins I switched from Bridged and back to Individual Mode
- Both speakers are balanced, EQUALLY loud and in STEREO!
After 30 seconds
- The same issue actually happened live and you can hear the loudness travelled from right to left leaving the right speakers softer and cracking a little
- Suddenly the loudness goes back to the right speakers and have been playing with equal loudness for the last 30 mins!
I am not sure how long this will last but I am certain there is something not quite right with the amplifier but just not sure what it was. I will leave it playing for a while longer but I am not sure if it will harm my speakers.
Any thoughts???
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It sounds like a faulty or dirty switch. Turn the amplifier off and quickly activate the switch back and forth a few times and see if that corrects the issue. If not please email Mile at Bryston and see if he can help. mpickett@bryston,com
james
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It sounds like a faulty or dirty switch. Turn the amplifier off and quickly activate the switch back and forth a few times and see if that corrects the issue. If not please email Mile at Bryston and see if he can help. mpickett@bryston,com
james
Thanks James, will give it a go later if the issue come back again.
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It sounds like a faulty or dirty switch. Turn the amplifier off and quickly activate the switch back and forth a few times and see if that corrects the issue. If not please email Mile at Bryston and see if he can help. mpickett@bryston,com
james
Hi James, just a quick update. Issue came back again and I did exactly what you suggested and goes away. Its likely a switch issue. Will e-mail Mike. Cheers.
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It sounds like a faulty or dirty switch. Turn the amplifier off and quickly activate the switch back and forth a few times and see if that corrects the issue. If not please email Mile at Bryston and see if he can help. mpickett@bryston,com
james
James, do you suggest as well that the main back switch is is turned on an off periodically, like the rest of the switches on the back of the Amps.
Mike Pickett never mentioned to me to turn off the main switch . Only all the others.
Let me know your thoughts.
Regards Robert
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James, do you suggest as well that the main back switch is is turned on an off periodically, like the rest of the switches on the back of the Amps.
Mike Pickett never mentioned to me to turn off the main switch . Only all the others.
Let me know your thoughts.
Regards Robert
If it helps with the performance of the Amp all the better
Robert
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Hi James,
I need to ask why there is no plan to update all the faceplates in the models to that of the new Cubed Series? Having a noticeably different finish (especially when it comes to silver) between the Cubed series amps and the other components in the Bryston stable (BDP, BDA, BP, SP3 etc. ) will surely be unsettling to those who intend to build a rack of more than one of the latest Bryston components.
Will clients be able to "special order" their other non-cubed Bryston components with the bead-blasted finish to match their Cubed amps? Is there a plan to implement the new finish on the other components when remaining stock-piles of unused "current" faceplates are exhausted.
Buying a full-rack of Bryston components for a new system is a very substantial expenditure and I'm sure that many clients looking to make such a purchase will expect that there will be a consistency of look, feel and finish across the components. Is there any plan to meet the requests for both clients and dealers looking for a consistent finish on their "new" and "latest" Bryston stack?
Thanks.
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Hi James,
I need to ask why there is no plan to update all the faceplates in the models to that of the new Cubed Series? Having a noticeably different finish (especially when it comes to silver) between the Cubed series amps and the other components in the Bryston stable (BDP, BDA, BP, SP3 etc. ) will surely be unsettling to those who intend to build a rack of more than one of the latest Bryston components.
Will clients be able to "special order" their other non-cubed Bryston components with the bead-blasted finish to match their Cubed amps? Is there a plan to implement the new finish on the other components when remaining stock-piles of unused "current" faceplates are exhausted.
Buying a full-rack of Bryston components for a new system is a very substantial expenditure and I'm sure that many clients looking to make such a purchase will expect that there will be a consistency of look, feel and finish across the components. Is there any plan to meet the requests for both clients and dealers looking for a consistent finish on their "new" and "latest" Bryston stack?
Thanks.
Very good question, there was recently a big change in the BIT faceplate looks and you can no longer order the old look but I'm not sure about the color, it might still match. The BIT new faceplates don't really match with anything cosmetically.
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James,
Is there any kind of coating on the silver bead blasted surface?
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Hi James,
I need to ask why there is no plan to update all the faceplates in the models to that of the new Cubed Series? Having a noticeably different finish (especially when it comes to silver) between the Cubed series amps and the other components in the Bryston stable (BDP, BDA, BP, SP3 etc. ) will surely be unsettling to those who intend to build a rack of more than one of the latest Bryston components.
Will clients be able to "special order" their other non-cubed Bryston components with the bead-blasted finish to match their Cubed amps? Is there a plan to implement the new finish on the other components when remaining stock-piles of unused "current" faceplates are exhausted.
Buying a full-rack of Bryston components for a new system is a very substantial expenditure and I'm sure that many clients looking to make such a purchase will expect that there will be a consistency of look, feel and finish across the components. Is there any plan to meet the requests for both clients and dealers looking for a consistent finish on their "new" and "latest" Bryston stack?
Thanks.
Yes we are waiting to see if customers like the new silver finish and if they do and want to order a system with the new silver finish we will certainly try to accommodate them. If it is preferred then we will probably switch over to the new silver on everything. Remember too that a lot of our customers want to match the older finishes amps they already own with our new DAC's and BDP's etc.
james
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James,
Is there any kind of coating on the silver bead blasted surface?
Yes there is a finish.
james
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That makes sense. So is there an option to go with the new faceplate style but have it finished in the old silver fineline brush finish that matches other components? That might make the majority happy.
Yes we are waiting to see if customers like the new silver finish and if they do and want to order a system with the new silver finish we will certainly try to accommodate them. If it is preferred then we will probably switch over to the new silver on everything. Remember too that a lot of our customers want to match the older finishes amps they already own with our new DAC's and BDP's etc.
james
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That makes sense. So is there an option to go with the new faceplate style but have it finished in the old silver fineline brush finish that matches other components? That might make the majority happy.
In the short term yes but going forward we would have to decide which would be the more common choice.
james
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Up through what month/year shall the B135 SST2 integrated remain unchanged (not counting updates available to prior-made units)?
http://bryston.com/products/power_amps/B135.html
Thanks!
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Up through what month/year shall the B135 SST2 integrated remain unchanged (not counting updates available to prior-made units)?
http://bryston.com/products/power_amps/B135.html
There are two preamp outputs per channel. A switch selects the two outputs either "connected" or "separate." I'd curious the reason for this function. Does the switch select between separate buffer per output and one buffer shared between two outputs?
Thanks!
Hi
On the B135 the Connected/Separate switch chooses between preamp only (separate) or integrated preamp/power amp mode.
There is only 1 preamp OUT per channel and 1 Power amp IN per channel. This switch just connects the preamp to the poweramp.
james
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Hi
On the B135 the Connected/Separate switch chooses between preamp only (separate) or integrated preamp/power amp mode.
There is only 1 preamp OUT per channel and 1 Power amp IN per channel. This switch just connects the preamp to the poweramp.
james
Sorry I missed the obvious!
What about the first half of my question?
Tx!
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Sorry I missed the obvious!
What about the first half of my question?
Tx!
Hi James
There have been 3 versions of the integrated amp.
B100
B120
B135 SST2
and now the B135 Cubed.
There have not been any changes within each model.
james
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Hi James
There have been 3 versions of the integrated amp.
B100
B120
B135 SST2
and now the B135 Cubed.
There have not been any changes within each model.
james
Thanks very much!
What is list price B135 Cubed? Do you have a link to that model? I saw nothing about it at your website. Is DAC standard or optional?
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Thanks very much!
What is list price B135 Cubed? Do you have a link to that model? I saw nothing about it at your website. Is DAC standard or optional?
Sorry - No it is not on the website yet. List price is $5495.
james
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Sorry - No it is not on the website yet. List price is $5495.
james
Thank you. I presume cosmetics are unchanged, we're talking about circuit upgrades only. Is that correct? Silver finish is still available?
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Thank you. I presume cosmetics are unchanged, we're talking about circuit upgrades only. Is that correct? Silver finish is still available?
Hi James
Yes correct.
james
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Still would like to see a high-quality photo of the two finishes together.
Could you show a photo of an SST3 amp with a BDA, BDP, etc. stacked so that we can see how they might match up?
Maybe the difference in surface and look would actually be a nice compliment to each other?
Steve
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Hi James
I have received my first 4B-3
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=137583)
Very happy with the sound
Regards
Jacques Dube
Audition Veritable
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MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: New Cubed 4B– Dealer Feedback
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=137605)
Hi James
We received our new 4B Cubed this week.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=137606)
We replaced out 4B SST-2 in our reference system.
If I compare the new 4B-3 (Cubed) and 4B SST 2, the advantages of the new Cubed series right out of the box are:
• More spacious and airy
• The high end frequencies are more softer
• Better image
• More depth
• A low bass even stronger and faster
A pure delight !
Jacques Dube
Audition Veritable
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In the pic here it looks like this is a special order Cubed amp i.e. new form factor for the faceplate but with the SST2 fine brushline finish to match the other Bryston components. I'm not sure yet which I like better but I've always adored the SST2's bright warm silver look.
Hi James
I have received my first 4B-3
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=137583)
Very happy with the sound
Regards
Jacques Dube
Audition Veritable
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In the pic here it looks like this is a special order Cubed amp i.e. new form factor for the faceplate but with the SST2 fine brushline finish to match the other Bryston components. I'm not sure yet which I like better but I've always adored the SST2's bright warm silver look.
x
A quick comparison with the components in that picture, un-retouched (but some resized, no colour correction, all images in the original colour space) with one image inverted horizontally so that they butt up against the cubed amps, and the original on the left. The cubed (bead blasted) amps don't seem to be either the same sheen or the same hue as the rest of the (brushed) components. I don't think there is any "special order" involved, at least in the image you quoted.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=137675)
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Hi Folks
No special order - it is the new finish on the 4b Cubed. It is a subtle difference and more obvious to the touch rather than eyed from across the room.
james
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What are the small white looking objects I see on top of the cubed amps, half way between back and front, they look like stickers.
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What are the small white looking objects I see on top of the cubed amps, half way between back and front, they look like stickers.
New safety regulations, little symbols to indicate that the heat sinks on either side may become hot. The new amps don't get any warmer then the previous generation of amps.
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Were you guys doing this on the new SST2 units as well more recently? Seems a silly thing to be forced to do on the new amps if the SST2 series was exempt.
I wonder if it's a similar thing to what James mentioned about the transformer/power supply changes for the cubed series. It would strike me as a money grab from the powers that be to force you guys to implement a change to these components on the new units where it was completely acceptable to do it another way on the SST2's and the new way doesn't bring any sonic improvements but simply meets some new regulation. Very unfair.
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Were you guys doing this on the new SST2 units as well more recently? Seems a silly thing to be forced to do on the new amps if the SST2 series was exempt.
I wonder if it's a similar thing to what James mentioned about the transformer/power supply changes for the cubed series. It would strike me as a money grab from the powers that be to force you guys to implement a change to these components on the new units where it was completely acceptable to do it another way on the SST2's and the new way doesn't bring any sonic improvements but simply meets some new regulation. Very unfair.
It takes more time now to get approvals and safety certificates than it does to design and build a product - it is only going to get worse and with no hope of start up companies being able to make a go of it.
james
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Wow that's a real shame and a definite barrier for the little guys as you point out.
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Our guitar/violin accessory lacks one required EU certification, which prevents a large distributor from selling it. In Great Britain, any appliance is required to include the special mains plug pins common only to GB. A product can not be sold or advertised for sale lacking such pins.
The last we checked, the OEM who makes the SMPS demanded MOQ of 3000 units to include the GB pins. I'm not necessarily saying I'm one of them, but I suspect there are persons who can't wait till the EU self-destructs. I suppose many of these certs are generally good, but there is no doubt the smaller the company the more difficult is it to fulfill each additional cert.
Entrepreneurship steadily declines, while in prior eras small business growth has always been associated with a growing economy.
Please return to happy talk about Bryston's new gear, no sarcasm.
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What were the changes to the soft start circuit? How does it now affect how the amps are turned on and potentially any affect on the triggers vs the SST2 design?
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What were the changes to the soft start circuit? How does it now affect how the amps are turned on and potentially any affect on the triggers vs the SST2 design?
Hi Rod,
Lower standby power, LED Status on the rear panel now, EMC Certification world wide, Safety and Hydro compliance certifications.
Triggers operate the same.
james
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Hi Rod,
Lower standby power, LED Status on the rear panel now, EMC Certification world wide, Safety and Hydro compliance certifications.
Triggers operate the same.
james
I never picked up on there being a LED on the back now. In the pic of the back of the 14 earlier in the thread, is the LED between the IEC and right speaker binding posts? What's the significance of that LED given that there is one on the front? Would it change color like the front ones always have on earlier models?
How much lower is the stand by power per model? That could be something quite beneficial if significantly less.
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I never picked up on there being a LED on the back now. In the pic of the back of the 14 earlier in the thread, is the LED between the IEC and right speaker binding posts? What's the significance of that LED given that there is one on the front? Would it change color like the front ones always have on earlier models?
How much lower is the stand by power per model? That could be something quite beneficial if significantly less.
The standby light just indicates that all is well after turn on - if not it blinks red.
Standby now has to be less than 1/2 watt
james
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Out of curiosity I checked the 7 and 28 SST2 manuals and it doesn't list the standby power. I'm assuming that is different than the idle power rating because with both stating 215 watts at idle getting that down to 1/2 a watt would be quite an accomplishment :) Is there a chart somewhere of the standby power for the SST2 series?
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Idle and standby should be interpreted the same.
Out of curiosity I checked the 7 and 28 SST2 manuals and it doesn't list the standby power. I'm assuming that is different than the idle power rating because with both stating 215 watts at idle getting that down to 1/2 a watt would be quite an accomplishment :) Is there a chart somewhere of the standby power for the SST2 series?
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Idle and standby should be interpreted the same.
The Standby power consumption is the power used when plugged in but with the front power switch off and the power relay circuit active and ready to respond to either the front power switch or the 12V trigger input.
In a remote controlled component it would also include the small power required to keep the IR or RF receiver circuit active if power on/off is one of the remote functions.
The Idle power consumption is the power used when fully powered up but with no input signal present. The higher the output device bias current, the higher the idle power consumption.
Steve
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Hi James, not sure if you have replied on this...the Standby power consumption looks great. Will there be a reduction in Idle? Not that it matters to me and in fact I don't mind if it consume more only if it does improve the sound. :thumb:
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Random tip for you guys: press and hold the [alt] button, then on the numpad type 0179, then release the [alt] button.
Voila, now you can type things like 4B³
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Hi James, not sure if you have replied on this...the Standby power consumption looks great. Will there be a reduction in Idle? Bot that it matters to me and in fact I don't mind it consume more if it does improve the sound. :thumb:
Ah, good question. That would be an interesting comparison as well. I looked at the website but nothing has been added yet for the new series. Given that all of the BIT changes over the past year or so have never made it to the website I won't hold my breath for the cubed series showing up anytime soon :)
I assume as was the case with the SST2 manuals the idle specs would be in there. The manuals don't seem to mention standby power consumption.
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Ah, good question. That would be an interesting comparison as well. I looked at the website but nothing has been added yet for the new series. Given that all of the BIT changes over the past year or so have never made it to the website I won't hold my breath for the cubed series showing up anytime soon :)
I assume as was the case with the SST2 manuals the idle specs would be in there. The manuals don't seem to mention standby power consumption.
I am not sure on that ... would have to ask engineering - my assumption is not much change on idle power.
james
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Something I've always been curious about with Bryston amps as it's something you simply don't see on other consumer products is the use of an XLR input that allows for 1/4" stereo connectors. I noticed this connector is still present on the new cubes. James is this something that customers actually ask for and make use of or is it now more of a legacy part that would have no real use? I can understand it on the pro series as those are meant more for the professional side of things where 1/4" jacks are the norm but for the consumer market, I don't see where anyone would ever need it. If that's the case why continue to use it and not replace it with a standard XLR?
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Yes we use the same jack on Consumer and Pro so from a stocking standpoint it makes sense.
james
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(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=137912)
James
You need a new speech writer !
Why do you always dramatically understate things in your press releases and on Audiocircle?! "Evolution not a revolution"?!?!?! That's like referring to the evolution from a fish to a bird as though it was no big deal :)
Yes the new Cubed series is way better than the Squared! And that's brand new, with no warm up/break in. Incredibly refined and natural. Can't wait to hear the 14B3!
Oh, and the BDA3 is also not merely a BDA2 with DSD. Again, huge difference here in quality. You gotta get the crowd more excited, man! :)
Keep up the good work!
James
Absolute Audio Video
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I see James' (from Absolute Audio Video) point, but it's always better to under-promise and over-deliver than the other way around!
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My 2.5 cubed is ordered can't wait to here it. Thanks for all your help on the forum answering my questions everyone. I went with the 2.5 as my proac's don't provide a difficult load. Saved money on this end only to spend on the pre!
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A couple design related questions for the new series.
Why weren't those clumsy archaic bare wire tirggers finally updated to be jack based? This was a perfect opportunity to update the design. You use the jack based triggers on all your more recent digital related products i.e. BDA-3, BDP1 USB, BDP-2, SP3, BUC-1
2ndly, I may have asked this before somewhere but can't remember, was there any consideration given to adding a 2nd pair of binding posts to the 7's to allow users the option of a truly bi-wire feed to their speakers, just like is found on the 28's? If so, why was that not implemented. If not considered, why not?
Thanks
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A couple design related questions for the new series.
Why weren't those clumsy archaic bare wire tirggers finally updated to be jack based? This was a perfect opportunity to update the design. You use the jack based triggers on all your more recent digital related products i.e. BDA-3, BDP1 USB, BDP-2, SP3, BUC-1
2ndly, I may have asked this before somewhere but can't remember, was there any consideration given to adding a 2nd pair of binding posts to the 7's to allow users the option of a truly bi-wire feed to their speakers, just like is found on the 28's? If so, why was that not implemented. If not considered, why not?
Thanks
Hi Rod
Both were considered but on the first not all customers have the proper jack so we felt bare wire is easy for anyone to implement and once you attach the bare wire you can easily connect or disconnect the trigger wire. You can also easily parallel wires easily by doubling or tripling up the wires in the same connection or daisy chaining multiple amps .
We could have added the second set but it would have made the upgrade path from SST2 to Cubed a bit more difficult according to engineering.
James
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Hi Rod
Both were considered but on the first not all customers have the proper jack so we felt bare wire is easy for anyone to implement and once you attach the bare wire you can easily connect or disconnect the trigger wire. You can also easily parallel wires easily by doubling or tripling up the wires in the same connection.
We could have added the second set but it would have made the upgrade path from SST2 to Cubed a bit more difficult according to engineering.
James
Thanks James
I wasn't aware you could double and triple up on wire to each terminal so I suppose that could prove handy. I know I personally have had nothing but a hateful relationship with these triggers over the years because whenever it comes to having to reconnect, the amps are always in the rack (or another position) with little room to maneuver behind them leaving me struggling to get the wires in and screwed down. Many times I've wanted to rip the amp from the rack, etc. and drop kick it off the balcony in frustration :) The jack designs are simply plug n' play.
As for the binding posts on the 7's, yeah I see where that would have been a bit more complicated. You mentioned the SST2 back panels are being replaced anyways during the upgrades so I guess that wouldn't be the issue, that would come in when wiring up to the extra set from the SST2's existing desgin components. To bad though it wasn't being offered an an option for an additional charge, both as an option for new 7B3 and for upgrading the SST2's
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Yes but remember the 12 volt connection can be done by removing the male green connector on the rear panel inserting the 2 wires and plugging it back in. So after the initial connection it is plug and play.
James
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Yes but remember the 12 volt connection can be done by removing the male green connector on the rear panel inserting the 2 wires and plugging it back in. So after the initial connection it is plug and play.
James
hmm, I'm completely drawing a blank here, I just can't visualize what you are saying but I get the impression it will save a whole lot of hassle in the future. Is there a video somewhere I could view so I can see what you describe? I'm very intrigued now.
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hmm, I'm completely drawing a blank here, I just can't visualize what you are saying but I get the impression it will save a whole lot of hassle in the future. Is there a video somewhere I could view so I can see what you describe? I'm very intrigued now.
Sorry I do not have a video but the green trigger on the rear of the amps are made up of 2 parts - a male part and a female part.
So you remove the male part - attach the 2 wires and plug the male part back into the female part that is on the rear of the amplifier and attached to the chassis. So once you have put the wires in the male connector from that point on the connectors are easily connected and disconnected if needed.
james
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Sorry I do not have a video but the green trigger on the rear of the amps are made up of 2 parts - a male part and a female part.
So you remove the male part - attach the 2 wires and plug the male part back into the female part that is on the rear of the amplifier and attached to the chassis. So once you have put the wires in the male connector from that point on the connectors are easily connected and disconnected if needed.
james
Thanks, I don't ever recall seeing any colors on the triggers but as you say there is. I'll examine closely after work because I currenly have two 7's and a 4 sitting in the middle of the room awaiting to be installed so it'll actually be easy for me to access the rear panels.
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My mistake - on the new 14B Cubed they have turned Gray:
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=138036)
james
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Thanks, so the male part, I assume that's the part that sticks out on all the amps? Are the screws to clamp down on the wire part of the detachable male piece or part of the fixed female piece. How much force does it take to detach and do I pull straight back?
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Thanks, so the male part, I assume that's the part that sticks out on all the amps? Are the screws to clamp down on the wire part of the detachable male piece or part of the fixed female piece. How much force does it take to detach and do I pull straight back?
Correct
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James;
A little off topic, but what is the turn around time for a 4B cubed, i.e., order date to ship date?
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James;
A little off topic, but what is the turn around time for a 4B cubed, i.e., order date to ship date?
We are backordered over 100 units so any new order I would say 4-6 weeks depending on size and colour.
james
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how about the 2.5 in silver cubed are those backed up?
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how about the 2.5 in silver cubed are those backed up?
I would say 2 weeks
James
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My mistake - on the new 14B Cubed they have turned Gray:
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=138036)
james
OK, I see how they work now, gosh, I wish I knew about this over the past 10 years of owning the amps :)
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Hi James
The cubed amps sounding great here at the Sound & Vision Show, Bristol
Keith Tonge
PMC
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=138096)
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I was thinking about updating from my 4B SST to a 4B SST3 -- but it's got a faceplate only its mother could love. I can't wait to audition one in person but if it sounds good it's going to have to go in a cabinet, out of sight.
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I was thinking about updating from my 4B SST to a 4B SST3 -- but it's got a faceplate only its mother could love. I can't wait to audition one in person but if it sounds good it's going to have to go in a cabinet, out of sight.
You could always just get a SST2 on the used market if you don't like the cubed faceplate :) plus save a bit of money. The SST2 would be two generations from your SST if yours isn't a C Series because it's my understanding that there were some updates with the C Series SST's.
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Dear James
The setup at the Bristol Show was:
PMC BB5se Speakers
Bryston 7B Cubed x2
BDP2 Digital Player
BDA3 DAC
BP26 Preamp
And the Twenty Series speakers with the 4B Cubed
Won best sound of the show!
Keith Tonge
PMC
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I was thinking about updating from my 4B SST to a 4B SST3 -- but it's got a faceplate only its mother could love. I can't wait to audition one in person but if it sounds good it's going to have to go in a cabinet, out of sight.
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I don't understand why don't people make plain faceplates,it is the name of the brand that makes it look beautiful to me.
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I don't understand why don't people make plain faceplates,it is the name of the brand that makes it look beautiful to me.
Hi Jimmy71
Eye of the beholder I guess - LOL - :icon_lol:
Senior Member
Zero's
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Bryston announcing SST3 series amps
Those new amps look fantastic!
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Hi Jimmy71
Eye of the beholder I guess - LOL - :icon_lol:
Senior Member
Zero's
Re:
Bryston announcing SST3 series amps
Those new amps look fantastic!
The truth is that we haven't seen many screenshots of these amps or hear them in real time so I could be wrong.
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The truth is that we haven't seen many screenshots of these amps or hear them in real time so I could be wrong.
Hi Jimmy
They do look better in person but I assume some will like the new look and some will not - I really like the the 2.5 Cubed look personally and I prefer the new 19 inch with handles to the 17 inch with no handles. I have been outvoted at Bryston on my preference so far. LOL.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=138135)
james
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for all of you that buy a sst3 and just cant stand the looks, please send my way, I will even pay for the shipping. Funny, I never even give the looks of audio equipment a second thought, 100% sound is what I focus on, you could sell me a pink hammer if it drives nails with one hit :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
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MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Dealer Feedback – New Cubed Amplifiers
February 2016
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=138142)
Hi James,
I'm loving the way the new Cubed amplifiers looks, I think it's a nice change.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=138143)
Although I still have not had time to go back to 7B squared's, will do that today.
The new 4B Cubed sounds more delicate, open, airy and transparent than how I remember the SST2's sounded.
In terms of tonal balance (very neutral), bass control and low noise I'm not sure if there are any improvements but I don't think the previous Bryston amps needed any improvements in those departments anyways.
I'm using the 4B with some uber high-end gear from CH Precision and Tenor and have it driving the Magico S7's and it certainly is feeling right at home with its accompanying components that are priced at 10x the new 4B cubed.
I'll give you some more details once I go back to the 7B squared's.
Mark.
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Looking forward to seeing the Cubed in person in Montreal for Son and Image, Mid-march
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Looking forward to seeing the Cubed in person in Montreal for Son and Image, Mid-march
Hi
It will vary a little from model to model depending on what the cost accountants tell us.
James
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Are the 28's ready to roll yet or still stuck waiting on all the certifications :)
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Are the 28's ready to roll yet or still stuck waiting on all the certifications :)
Still stuck - we are assuming another month.
James
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Wow, did you guys make the 28's even more powerful or something. Seems odd that just this amp is getting held up.
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You could always just get a SST2 on the used market if you don't like the cubed faceplate :) plus save a bit of money. The SST2 would be two generations from your SST if yours isn't a C Series because it's my understanding that there were some updates with the C Series SST's.
I liked the faceplate on the 4B SST2 better than the one on my SST and better than the new one.
There's nothing wrong with my SST -- the build quality was phenomenal. It still runs like a champ and sounds great. The challenge will be to determine whether the cubed will sound better in my system; which may be hard to do outside my system and room.
The sound will trump the appearance every time, so if the cubed is better than the SST2, a used SST2 won't suffice; but it's always nice when a product looks as good as it sounds.
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I don't understand why don't people make plain faceplates,it is the name of the brand that makes it look beautiful to me.
Bryston has always had a understated look to begin with, I guess the new square bit sticks out figuratively more than the old C Series plus it no longer matches the other products looks so that might be one of the reasons for the criticisms.
It does look odd though in photos but may look better in person.
It would have been nice since they redesigned things if they followed say Pass Labs or Dan D'Agostino and installed meters with nice back lighting. Those two designs in particular are quite elegant not like the McIntosh meters which are akin to a spoiled child crying out for attention :)
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I liked the faceplate on the 4B SST2 better than the one on my SST and better than the new one.
There's nothing wrong with my SST -- the build quality was phenomenal. It still runs like a champ and sounds great. The challenge will be to determine whether the cubed will sound better in my system; which may be hard to do outside my system and room.
The sound will trump the appearance every time, so if the cubed is better than the SST2, a used SST2 won't suffice; but it's always nice when a product looks as good as it sounds.
Another option would be to sell your SST and get a used SST2 and send it in for the cubed upgrades. The prices aren't set yet but it might still be less expensive to go that route vs a new cubed. Also it remains to be seen if the upgrades to the SST2s will equal the cubes audibly or will there still be an audible gap since not every component is getting upgraded. Time will tell I guess.
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Another option would be to sell your SST and get a used SST2 and send it in for the cubed upgrades. The prices aren't set yet but it might still be less expensive to go that route vs a new cubed. Also it remains to be seen if the upgrades to the SST2s will equal the cubes audibly or will there still be an audible gap since not every component is getting upgraded. Time will tell I guess.
It's a thought but I'd be inclined to go new, with a new 20 year warranty. Of course, I'd have to decide whether to stay with the 4Bm, go with the 7B or perhaps two bridged 4B's?
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It's a thought but I'd be inclined to go new, with a new 20 year warranty. Of course, I'd have to decide whether to stay with the 4Bm, go with the 7B or perhaps two bridged 4B's?
A while back I asked James if two bridged 4bsst2's were equivalent to a pair of sevens. He said the sevens would be a better choice but I don't recollect exactly why. But that was his thinking and I'm inclined to take his word on it.
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A while back I asked James if two bridged 4bsst2's were equivalent to a pair of sevens. He said the sevens would be a better choice but I don't recollect exactly why. But that was his thinking and I'm inclined to take his word on it.
That wouldn't surprise me but it would be interesting to know why. Two 4B's would be more flexible, possible easier to sell when the time came.
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A while back I asked James if two bridged 4bsst2's were equivalent to a pair of sevens. He said the sevens would be a better choice but I don't recollect exactly why.
The 7BSSTx are rated for 4 ohms and below, whereas a bridged 4BSSTx would see half the impedance, so 4 ohm (and below) speakers may present too difficult a load as they would be seen as a 2 ohm (and below) load to the bridged 4BSSTx.
Steve
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The 7BSSTx are rated for 4 ohms and below, whereas a bridged 4BSSTx would see half the impedance, so 4 ohm (and below) speakers may present too difficult a load as they would be seen as a 2 ohm (and below) load to the bridged 4BSSTx.
Steve
Good point. A bridged 4B delivers 900 Watts into 8 ohms. A 7B delivers 900 Watts into 4 ohms.
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Bryston has added the Cubed amplifier pages to their website. You can see them listed individually under Power Amps/Cubed Amps, and here's a direct link the the 7B Cubed for your reference. http://www.bryston.com/products/power_amps/7B-3.html (http://www.bryston.com/products/power_amps/7B-3.html) There are some nice pictures included.
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Very cool to see this update on the Bryston website.
I see the advertised Power Bandwidth: .5Hz - > 100kHz. Are the cubed amps capable of full power output even at the extreme ends of that spectrum?
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I see the advertised Power Bandwidth: .5Hz - > 100kHz. Are the cubed amps capable of full power output even at the extreme ends of that spectrum?
Unless it's stated as "full-power bandwidth", "power bandwidth" generally refers to the frequency range in which the amplifier can maintain half of its rated power (-3dB).
Steve
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I just checked out the manuals for the new 7 and 28 and noticed something interesting with respect to idle power consumption and heat dissipation. These specs were the same for both amps in the SST2 series.
For the 7 the idle power consumption has dropped substantially from 215 watts (the SST2 series) to <= 80 and the heat dissipation went from 733 BTU/hr to <= 270.
On the other hand the specs for the 28 have gone up a bit, <= 225 watts and <=768 BTU/hr.
So this led me to check out the 4. This ended up being hybrid of sorts, the power went down from 170 watts to <=70 but the heat dissipation remained the same at 580.
James is there any particular reason why some amps seem to have become more power efficient while others have not? What are these changes properties of, the new input circuity or changes to the power supply and/or transformers?
Just curious how these figures would be affected for people who do the SST2 upgrade. If it's input stage related users would see these changes but I guess if power supply and/or transformer related these changes wouldn't be seen on the upgraded units.
Thanks
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Bryston has always had a understated look to begin with, I guess the new square bit sticks out figuratively more than the old C Series plus it no longer matches the other products looks so that might be one of the reasons for the criticisms.
It does look odd though in photos but may look better in person.
It would have been nice since they redesigned things if they followed say Pass Labs or Dan D'Agostino and installed meters with nice back lighting. Those two designs in particular are quite elegant not like the McIntosh meters which are akin to a spoiled child crying out for attention :)
I couldn't write it better than what you wrote,that is what I wanted to say plain and simple lines.
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I just checked out the manuals for the new 7 and 28 and noticed something interesting with respect to idle power consumption and heat dissipation. These specs were the same for both amps in the SST2 series.
For the 7 the idle power consumption has dropped substantially from 215 watts (the SST2 series) to <= 80 and the heat dissipation went from 733 BTU/hr to <= 270.
On the other hand the specs for the 28 have gone up a bit, <= 225 watts and <=768 BTU/hr.
So this led me to check out the 4. This ended up being hybrid of sorts, the power went down from 170 watts to <=70 but the heat dissipation remained the same at 580.
James is there any particular reason why some amps seem to have become more power efficient while others have not? What are these changes properties of, the new input circuity or changes to the power supply and/or transformers?
Just curious how these figures would be affected for people who do the SST2 upgrade. If it's input stage related users would see these changes but I guess if power supply and/or transformer related these changes wouldn't be seen on the upgraded units.
Thanks
I am assuming there are misprints in transferring info from the engineering guys to the website guys - all the SST2 amplifiers to Cubed amps are much more similar in these areas than different. Will check
james
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You could always just get a SST2 on the used market if you don't like the cubed faceplate :) plus save a bit of money. The SST2 would be two generations from your SST if yours isn't a C Series because it's my understanding that there were some updates with the C Series SST's.
Rod,
my understanding is that the changes with the c-series were only the faceplates?!?
al.
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Rod,
my understanding is that the changes with the c-series were only the faceplates?!?
al.
Correct. The faceplate was the only change. They were just late production SST models.
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(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=138260)
Hi James,
The new Cubed series has pleasantly exceeded our expectations.
It retains the world class iron fisted bass control of the Squared series and adds meaningfully improved resolution across the board. Top end has more sparkle, midrange has greater transparency and bass is more tuneful.
Bravo to Bryston for the continued proficiency.
Sincerely,
Robert
Audio Eden Ltd.
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James - I don't believe you ever shared the current US pricing for the Cubed series amps. If you can do so it would be most appreciated, TIA!
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James - I don't believe you ever shared the current US pricing for the Cubed series amps. If you can do so it would be most appreciated, TIA!
I do not have a total list but the prices are about 10 percent more than the SST2 versions. Is the a specific model?
James
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Most interested in the 7B Cubed price. Also, do they have sufficient heat dissipation to be safely operated stacked as pictured on the website? Thanks again!
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Most interested in the 7B Cubed price. Also, do they have sufficient heat dissipation to be safely operated stacked as pictured on the website? Thanks again!
HI Bill
The 7B's are now the same price as the 4B - $5695 list each. There is no issue at all with stacking as there is plenty of heatsink available. I would not stack them in a totally enclosed cabinet but short of that there would not be an issues. In my Model T active speaker setup I have a 4B per side stacked on a 7B and no problems encountered.
james
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MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston A3 Speaker – Distributor Comments
March 2016
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=138369)
Hi James,
Three (3) wonderful products arrived at PMC from Bryston recently.
We’ve just run up the Bryston A3 speakers and we’re really excited. They sound great and they offer a lot of performance for the money.
The Cubed amps are amazing. So much smoother, greater depth and height information. It all sounds so much more “real” A big thank you to whoever came up with this improvement. We are measuring substantially lower THD at high frequencies (always a good sign) and the common mode rejection of the balanced inputs is almost 20dB better……incredible results!
The BDA-3 blows the BDA-2 out of the game. So much more detail, smoother and well-judged overall balance.
Thank you,
Peter Thomas
Managing Director
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james
do you have any 7B SST2 or 4B SST2 left in stock ?
steven
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james
do you have any 7B SST2 or 4B SST2 left in stock ?
steven
No sorry - all gone.
james
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I just checked out the manuals for the new 7 and 28 and noticed something interesting with respect to idle power consumption and heat dissipation. These specs were the same for both amps in the SST2 series.
For the 7 the idle power consumption has dropped substantially from 215 watts (the SST2 series) to <= 80 and the heat dissipation went from 733 BTU/hr to <= 270.
On the other hand the specs for the 28 have gone up a bit, <= 225 watts and <=768 BTU/hr.
So this led me to check out the 4. This ended up being hybrid of sorts, the power went down from 170 watts to <=70 but the heat dissipation remained the same at 580.
James is there any particular reason why some amps seem to have become more power efficient while others have not? What are these changes properties of, the new input circuity or changes to the power supply and/or transformers?
Just curious how these figures would be affected for people who do the SST2 upgrade. If it's input stage related users would see these changes but I guess if power supply and/or transformer related these changes wouldn't be seen on the upgraded units.
Thanks
I am assuming there are misprints in transferring info from the engineering guys to the website guys - all the SST2 amplifiers to Cubed amps are much more similar in these areas than different. Will check
james
Were you able to find out any further details about the rather large spec discrepancies between the SST2's and cubes?
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Hi Rod
Yes they are working on a whole new set for me.
james
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Were you able to find out any further details about the rather large spec discrepancies between the SST2's and cubes?
From Engineering:
Hi James,
I apologize for this, there seems to be a lot of misinformation in the first batch of manuals. I will endeavour to make everything proper on the next printing.
Attached is a spreadsheet of the specs I derived during testing of the CUBED amps. I am in the process of confirming these figures, then I will send it down to Gary Dayton, so he can update the manuals.
As far as idle power consumption is concerned, it seems to be quite variable (dependent on bias adjustment). That is the reason that I have indicated a spread of values for that parameter.
I hope this helps,
David
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Rod,
my understanding is that the changes with the c-series were only the faceplates?!?
al.
Correct. The faceplate was the only change. They were just late production SST models.
Are you sure? I could have sworn there were some tweaks like better caps, etc.?
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Hi Rod
Yes they are working on a whole new set for me.
james
Thanks
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From Engineering:
Hi James,
I apologize for this, there seems to be a lot of misinformation in the first batch of manuals. I will endeavour to make everything proper on the next printing.
Attached is a spreadsheet of the specs I derived during testing of the CUBED amps. I am in the process of confirming these figures, then I will send it down to Gary Dayton, so he can update the manuals.
As far as idle power consumption is concerned, it seems to be quite variable (dependent on bias adjustment). That is the reason that I have indicated a spread of values for that parameter.
I hope this helps,
David
Thanks for posting the response you received.
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Most interested in the 7B Cubed price. Also, do they have sufficient heat dissipation to be safely operated stacked as pictured on the website? Thanks again!
HI Bill
The 7B's are now the same price as the 4B - $5695 list each. There is no issue at all with stacking as there is plenty of heatsink available. I would not stack them in a totally enclosed cabinet but short of that there would not be an issues. In my Model T active speaker setup I have a 4B per side stacked on a 7B and no problems encountered.
james
Bill, I've been running my 28's stacked since I got them back in the fall of 2013 with no issues. They are out in the open so there is plenty of air circulation. I do find the one on top gets warmer than the bottom but I guess that make sense as heat rises. I'm assuming overall they run a bit warmer when stacked.
On a similar note, any issues placing a Bryston amp on a BIT, say the BIT-15 or 20? I was thinking when I get a BIT-20 I would place a 7B-SST2 on top of it, at least until I got around to getting a 2 shelf stand.
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As far as idle power consumption is concerned, it seems to be quite variable (dependent on bias adjustment). That is the reason that I have indicated a spread of values for that parameter.
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David
I hear and see the word bias talked about from time to time, can someone explain what this is exactly and how it relates to the power consumption and overall heat generated from the amp? I even noticed bias adjustment instructions for the older amps on the Bryston website.
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In 2006 or 2007 the 4B-SST was around 3300(depending on the dealer)up to 3600
The 7B-SST was exactly the same price as the 4B-SST and has the SAME amount of power(combined) as the 7B-SST monoblock. Jezzuz have had the 7 for that long(10yrs.) and nada problemo.
Course she does just centre channel duty so I'm sure she's not even broke in yet :thumb:.
I bet my 7B-SST2 doing surrounds duty will never be really broke in LOL.
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No sorry - all gone.
james
James, can a 4B SST2 still be special ordered? If so, how long would it take to fulfill the order?
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James, can a 4B SST2 still be special ordered? If so, how long would it take to fulfill the order?
I do not think so but I will check - what colour and size?
james
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James, can a 4B SST2 still be special ordered? If so, how long would it take to fulfill the order?
They tell me they can do one for you as a special order.
james
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I do not think so but I will check - what colour and size?
james
Sorry for not being specific. Black, 17", with blue LEDs.
They tell me they can do one for you as a special order.
james
Great! Thanks James.
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Sorry for not being specific. Black, 17", with blue LEDs.
Great! Thanks James.
Hi
OK please order the amplifier from your dealer and let me know who.
james
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Did I maybe make a mistake in ordering the 2.5(3) for my proac studio 148's. There a 4 ohm load @91 db. To my understanding these are a easy load even though they are a 4 ohm load. I sit about 6 feet from the speakers. I know the amp isn't shipped yet so I could probably upgrade. Any thoughts to how that amp would handle the Proac's. I do like volume but not earth shaking for my taste in music.
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Did I maybe make a mistake in ordering the 2.5(3) for my proac studio 148's. Any thoughts to how that amp would handle the Proac's.
Based on the ProAc Studio 148 91dB sensitivity and a 6 ft. listening distance, the 2.5BSST3, which can output 180W into 4 ohms, could drive them to a peak of ~ 111dB (if the speakers were capable of that level), and that calculation is without any gain from room boundary reinforcement taken into consideration.
Steve
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If I hit 85 db testing from my iPhone that's more than I ever listen to more at 80 is my level. Thanks for that response greatly appreciated.
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Did I maybe make a mistake in ordering the 2.5(3) for my proac studio 148's. There a 4 ohm load @91 db. To my understanding these are a easy load even though they are a 4 ohm load. I sit about 6 feet from the speakers. I know the amp isn't shipped yet so I could probably upgrade. Any thoughts to how that amp would handle the Proac's. I do like volume but not earth shaking for my taste in music.
I have a 2B SST that drive my ProAc D18 in a room of 14' x 24' x 8'. Like you I do like volume and I never have a problem. I'm very very happy with my combo. :thumb:
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I'm interested in probably getting a 3B³ Amplifier to run a new pair of Amphion 3S.
Anyone have an idea yet on price range for the 3B³ Amplifier?
Thanks
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5000 mark give or take that was my deciding factor for a extra 1000 was it worth the extra power.
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Did the top covers remain the same for the cubed amps as they were for the SST2's? i.e. same dimensions and screw holes in the same places thus completely interchangeable with SST's?
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Hello James.
I have finally received the two 7B3 amps and got them connected to my preamp & speakers without any issues.
They look GREAT, much better than the pictures on the website. They sound way better than I imagined.
I can’t thank you enough.
Best regards
Satish Nallagatla
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Hi James - You recently mentioned that Bryston will have a presence at AXPONA, so I was curious to know if any of the new Cubed amps will be on demo there. TIA!
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Hi James - You recently mentioned that Bryston will have a presence at AXPONA, so I was curious to know if any of the new Cubed amps will be on demo there. TIA!
I think Gary will be using 7B Cubed amps
James
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Those are the exact amps I was hoping to hear, so thanks again! :thumb:
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James what is the lead time for 7b3s or 14b3?
Thx
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James what is the lead time for 7b3s or 14b3?
Thx
Hi
About 2 weeks from order.
James
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Nice pic of a 4B Cubed from one of our dealers:
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=138892)
james
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Here's a tricky question for those in the know...
I can afford either a pair of new SST3 7's or a pair of ex-demo 28 SST2's.
Pre-amp is an SP3 and speakers are Vandersteen Quatros, the ones with the built-in 300W active subwoofers.
I've been using a Theta Dreadnaught for about a decade, but am about to move to a bigger place and think that upgrading to Bryston monoblocks will improve the soundstage, separation and noise floor.
As the speakers are partially active, it may be unnecessary to have the 1k of power of the 28's, but all of the reviews I've read suggest they also have detail and delicacy to rival Tubes...
...but what I don't know is whether the new 7's will match or even surpass that.
Thoughts anyone ?
Ian
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Questions for Mr. Tanner:
1. Have the 28B SST3 amps been finalized and production begun?
2. When do you think we 28B SST2 owners may be invited to upgrade our units?
Any such information would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you.
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Questions for Mr. Tanner:
1. Have the 28B SST3 amps been finalized and production begun?
2. When do you think we 28B SST2 owners may be invited to upgrade our units?
Any such information would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you.
Hi Simm
1. No they are still in for safety and electrical approvals - I would say another month or so. - Its government - nuff said :duh:
2. I would say a month or so after we get the approvals.
james
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The new 28's must be nuclear powered given how long it's taking to get approvals
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Thanks, Mr. Tanner, for your prompt reply. Many of us are anxious to experience the new amps, as you can imagine. The fact that you are so forthcoming with news and answers on this forum is a great asset to Bryston and one of the reasons that I have purchased your products. Thanks again.
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The new 28's must be nuclear powered given how long it's taking to get approvals
Oh, I'd heard they were using Dr. Brown's flux capacitor design combined with Mr. Fusion. :lol:
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MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston A3 Speaker – Distributor Comments
March 2016
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=138369)
Hi James,
Three (3) wonderful products arrived at PMC from Bryston recently.
We’ve just run up the Bryston A3 speakers and we’re really excited. They sound great and they offer a lot of performance for the money.
The Cubed amps are amazing. So much smoother, greater depth and height information. It all sounds so much more “real” A big thank you to whoever came up with this improvement. We are measuring substantially lower THD at high frequencies (always a good sign) and the common mode rejection of the balanced inputs is almost 20dB better……incredible results!
The BDA-3 blows the BDA-2 out of the game. So much more detail, smoother and well-judged overall balance.
Thank you,
Peter Thomas
Managing Director
James, can you explain how the balanced inputs of the cubed series can be 20db better than the SST2 series?
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James, can you explain how the balanced inputs of the cubed series can be 20db better than the SST2 series?
Our patented input stage - it really is exceptional :thumb:
james
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So this is what makes them quieter? i.e. the typically described blacker background?
What if one who has SST2 amps puts their ear up to the speakers and hears nothing now, would that mean there would be no audible improvement by using the new cubed tech?
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Hi James,
Is it possible to get the cubed amps with 19" face plate but no handles?
I think for the first time, this face plate without handles looks great. :thumb:
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Hi James,
Is it possible to get the cubed amps with 19" face plate but no handles?
I think for the first time, this face plate without handles looks great. :thumb:
I think so but the handles are holding on the faceplate so it would have to have some sort of bolt head showing.
james
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Although I've yet to see the new amps in person, pictures continue to pop up online and I gotta say I'm bummed about the new faceplates. It took me a while to decide if I like them or not and I don't :( There's just something off putting about that elevated square as it breaks the visual flow and lines and for the 2 channel amps I've seen pics of (the 4 and 14) the LEDs are to close together. There just seems to be to much wasted or empty space now out to the edges, the bigger gap of the old design tended to break that up nicely.
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Naturally whether an individual likes the new cosmetic design is totally subjective and our tastes are all unique. Though what I have heard from several people who have seen them was that they look much better in person than they do in photographs.
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True, a very individual preference for sure.
I've heard the same thing about the new B&W 800 series as well. From the pics, to me they look horrible.
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We must be getting closer to when the pricing and details will be finalized for the SST2 to cube upgrades. Anything new to report James? I assume because this isn't warranty work the customer will be responsible for shipping both ways?
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We must be getting closer to when the pricing and details will be finalized for the SST2 to cube upgrades. Anything new to report James? I assume because this isn't warranty work the customer will be responsible for shipping both ways?
Hi Rod
Yes engineering is looking now as to what is feasible and I should now details in a couple of more weeks.
james
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Thanks
I hope what is feasible is what you were hoping in that the entire input stage (for which you said you received a patent for) can be made to fit. If it turns out you can only use parts of it then the SST2 amps would probably remain more SST2's than cubes thus the upgrade would become much less tempting.
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hi, Bryston!
would be nice to know if the 875 amp can be cube-upgraded as well.
al.
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hi, Bryston!
would be nice to know if the 875 amp can be cube-upgraded as well.
al.
Hi Alex
No I do not think it can be as it is a slightly different design - I will ask.
james
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So James,
It will be a go with the upgrade 2 to cubed :D..
I'm curious as I have your 28's from a awhile back and when I wanted to upgrade the transformers we couldn't as the chassis was a bit different but the new caps were,Have the 60a Torus backin them up anyway :lol:.
My Q is since it's a few electrical parts do you think it's doable,THX.
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Here's a tricky question for those in the know...
I can afford either a pair of new SST3 7's or a pair of ex-demo 28 SST2's.
Pre-amp is an SP3 and speakers are Vandersteen Quatros, the ones with the built-in 300W active subwoofers.
I've been using a Theta Dreadnaught for about a decade, but am about to move to a bigger place and think that upgrading to Bryston monoblocks will improve the soundstage, separation and noise floor.
As the speakers are partially active, it may be unnecessary to have the 1k of power of the 28's, but all of the reviews I've read suggest they also have detail and delicacy to rival Tubes...
...but what I don't know is whether the new 7's will match or even surpass that.
Thoughts anyone ?
Ian
hi Wilson, All I can say is you are in one hellava envious position.
For what it's worth, I'd say go with the 7 Cubes and take advantage of the new technology. best of luck.
TJ
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So James,
It will be a go with the upgrade 2 to cubed :D..
I'm curious as I have your 28's from a awhile back and when I wanted to upgrade the transformers we couldn't as the chassis was a bit different but the new caps were,Have the 60a Torus backin them up anyway :lol:.
My Q is since it's a few electrical parts do you think it's doable,THX.
Hi Drummer
I think so because it is not a transformer change just a completely new backboard and soft-start circuit and a few small circuit parts.
james
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Here's a tricky question for those in the know...
I can afford either a pair of new SST3 7's or a pair of ex-demo 28 SST2's.
Pre-amp is an SP3 and speakers are Vandersteen Quatros, the ones with the built-in 300W active subwoofers.
I've been using a Theta Dreadnaught for about a decade, but am about to move to a bigger place and think that upgrading to Bryston monoblocks will improve the soundstage, separation and noise floor.
As the speakers are partially active, it may be unnecessary to have the 1k of power of the 28's, but all of the reviews I've read suggest they also have detail and delicacy to rival Tubes...
...but what I don't know is whether the new 7's will match or even surpass that.
Thoughts anyone ?
Ian
Ian,
No such thing as too much power. Go with the max.
Do the 28's. It's Bryston's flagship with oodles of wattage.
Good luck.
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Hi Drummer
I think so because it is not a transformer change just a completely new backboard and soft-start circuit and a few small circuit parts.
james
Hi james,
Are these changes substantive enough to improve the SQ?
pete
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Hi james,
Are these changes substantive enough to improve the SQ?
pete
i hope so - :lol:
james
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Curious, why was the selectable gain option removed from the 28 but remained on all the other models?
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Curious, why was the selectable gain option removed from the 28 but remained on all the other models?
The 28B based on power rating the gain switch is not required because there are very few sources that can supply enough amplitude at the lower gain setting to drive to full power.
james
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Thanks
The website was confusing because it states it has selectable gain at 23 or 29dB but then goes on to only list the -29dB. That's what prompted me to lookup the manual where I noticed there was no switch or mention of one on the back panel. So is it now locked at -29?
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Thanks
The website was confusing because it states it has selectable gain at 23 or 29dB but then goes on to only list the -29dB. That's what prompted me to lookup the manual where I noticed there was no switch or mention of one on the back panel. So is it now locked at -29?
Yes locked at 29.
james
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Has anyone been able to do a direct comparison to the 4BSST2 ? I have one and am considering upgrading to the new 4B cubed. Wondering if it is very subtle differences or if noticeable and worth the upgrade for the sst2 owners
Sorry if this has already been mentioned
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+1.
No experience with tubes, but auditioned all SST2's on my Quad ESL's. 28b's came out as clear winners. Maybe because of the pure Class A and not playing extremely loud all the time, i wouldn't know. Only trusted my ears, and never regretted. Of course they are quite effortless and hassle free when playing loud ;-)
Need some pockets though...
Cheers, Marius
Ian,
No such thing as too much power. Go with the max.
Do the 28's. It's Bryston's flagship with oodles of wattage.
Good luck.
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Has anyone been able to do a direct comparison to the 4BSST2 ? I have one and am considering upgrading to the new 4B cubed. Wondering if it is very subtle differences or if noticeable and worth the upgrade for the sst2 owners
Sorry if this has already been mentioned
No personal costumer reports yet that I have come across on any forums. I've seen a few dealer and distributer reports that James has posted. I know a lot of us SST2 owners are very curious about this. I have no doubt the new series performs better when subject to instrumentation testing however the main thing we all want to know is this improvement audible and if so is it obvious and readily apparent regardless of situation or more subtle and only noticeable under specific circumstances.
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No personal customer reports yet that I have come across on any forums. I've seen a few dealer and distributer reports that James has posted. I know a lot of us SST2 owners are very curious about this. I have no doubt the new series performs better when subject to instrumentation testing however the main thing we all want to know is this improvement audible and if so is it obvious and readily apparent regardless of situation or more subtle and only noticeable under specific circumstances.
I agree Rod - I can't find any either !
James - are you aware of any reviews in the pipeline ?
Ian
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I agree Rod - I can't find any either !
James - are you aware of any reviews in the pipeline ?
Ian
Hi
No reviews on old vs new. I can say that every dealer who has called or emailed me are expressing that the Cubed versions are a substantial improvement.
James
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May take a while before buyers' opinions surface on threads.
I always take dealers with a big grain of salt -- they do want to sell them, after all.
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Hi all, new AC member here. After reading through this thread, I ordered a 4B3 on Friday of last week. I am eager to experience Bryston's legendary sound and build quality!
The 4B3 will drive my Magnepan MG .7's, and I will feed the 4B3 from a Classe' CP-500 preamp. My JL Audio e-110 subwoofer will operate between the Classe' and 4B3, with the subwoofer's built-in active crossover set to maximize the interaction between the sub, the Maggies and the listening room.
I look forward to participating in this thread, along with AC generally.
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Hi all, new AC member here. After reading through this thread, I ordered a 4B3 on Friday of last week. I am eager to experience Bryston's legendary sound and build quality!
The 4B3 will drive my Magnepan MG .7's, and I will feed the 4B3 from a Classe' CP-500 preamp. My JL Audio e-110 subwoofer will operate between the Classe' and 4B3, with the subwoofer's built-in active crossover set to maximize the interaction between the sub, the Maggies and the listening room.
I look forward to participating in this thread, along with AC generally.
Welcome :thumb:
James
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The 4B3 will drive my Magnepan MG .7's, and I will feed the 4B3 from a Classe' CP-500 preamp.
4B3 should be a good match for your MG .7's. I've been using a 4BSST, originally driving MG 1.6's and now MG 1.7's. My Preamp is a BAT VK30 and my sources are an OPPO 105 and a Rega RP6 through a Rega Fono Phono Preamp.
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May take a while before buyers' opinions surface on threads.
I always take dealers with a big grain of salt -- they do want to sell them, after all.
True, but I don' see any point in telling the VP of sales that you think there's a substantial improvement. They can't really sell one TO James. :)
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True, but I don' see any point in telling the VP of sales that you think there's a substantial improvement. They can't really sell one TO James. :)
Agree. They can still give some useful constructive feedback about perceived flaws, for future development and refinement. Sort of a more balanced assessment. :thumb:
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Thanks for the welcome, James, and thank you, Robert212, for the encouragement. I have been happy with the MG .7's after a few years of running MMG's, but I do not believe my current amp is getting the most out of the .7's. I spoke with my Bryston dealer about his knowledge of and experience with Bryston-Maggie synergy and decided on the 4B3. I can't wait to hear what the 4B3 can do in my system (primary sources are a PS Audio DirectStream, an OPPO BDP-105D and a Rega P25 with a Dynavector 20XH into a PS Audio GCPH).
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I always take dealers with a big grain of salt -- they do want to sell them, after all.
Indeed
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James, have you guys ever thought of developing a true cost no object line of amps which also takes into account ultimate cosmetics, elimination of the cross product components because they make production assembly easier (I'm thinking of things like the balanced inputs that allow for 1/4" plugs because they serve a purpose on the pro products, the layout of the 7's back panel basically being just one half of the 4's layout, etc., those types of things). I know these would sell just as all cost no object items sell and it would be interesting to hear and see what Bryston would have to offer in this market segment.
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James, have you guys ever thought of developing a true cost no object line of amps which also takes into account ultimate cosmetics, elimination of the cross product components because they make production assembly easier (I'm thinking of things like the balanced inputs that allow for 1/4" plugs because they serve a purpose on the pro products, the layout of the 7's back panel basically being just one half of the 4's layout, etc., those types of things). I know these would sell just as all cost no object items sell and it would be interesting to hear and see what Bryston would have to offer in this market segment.
Hi
Honestly if we could build a better performing amplifier (if linearity of waveform is your goal) we would. The only way we could increase costs would be as you say to add ultimate cosmetics. That has its place but it really is not who we are.
Our products represent state of the art performance at a price that most serious listeners can afford. To be honest I find products that look great and perform poorly and cost ridiculous amounts of money is sadly more common than you may think. I also think these poor performing but cosmetically appealing products injure the credibility of our industry.
james
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I can certainly understand that. For many it's simply a matter of what's the most expensive is the best performing, simple as that with absolutely no evidence to back it up. When they try it's always well this power supply is more expensive or robust, this chip is better, etc. etc. I'm sure in some cases there may be differences in performance that can be heard but is it better, maybe not, the difference in sound may be because the "better" sounding device was tuned to produce a very desired effect.
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Exactly,
I forget which company but they had used Oppo bluray internals and put their own face plate(box)around it.
Instead of 8-900 she was 3600.00 :wtf:.
It was a highend company also.
Just like auto parts, GM you pay premium,thru NAPA way lower cost for the same thing.
Friggin thieves.
The net usually you can find some very good info.
Actually my Stewart Studiotek 100 even in Alberta I saved 600.00 by asking for pricing from two dealers.
you could say that`s a vehicle or mortgage payment.
It pays to shop around,and damned if I`d throw that kind of cash out the window :thumb:.
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I forget which company but they had used Oppo bluray internals and put their own face plate(box)around it. Instead of 8-900 she was 3600.00. It was a highend company also.
It was the Lexicon BD-30 that housed an Oppo BDP-83, and what made it unusual was rather than transplanting the Oppo circuit boards and sub assemblies, it actually contained the entire original Oppo chassis within its own chassis.
Back at that time that the Oppo BD-83 was available, several Bryston users in this circle said they would gladly pay an additional ~ $1500 for the Oppo internals packaged in a pretty Bryston wrapper! Go figure.
Steve
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Similarly I believe on the BDA3 thread on either this forum or another it was revealed that the Esoteric K05X SACD player & DAC was using a very similar chip to the BDA3 (AKM 4490) with I believe the only main difference in performance was according to James a roll off in the top end on the Esoteric version, perhaps purposefully making it less linear to give a warmer sound. So naturally with the Esoteric player being more expensive than the BDA3, how often are you going to find someone say they couldn't hear a difference or they preferred the BDA3 over the K05X? :) People will of course site all the "better" internals of the K05X for the reasons. Also somehow the Esoteric is able to get 34bit processing from the 32bit DAC's. Perhaps there's something to that but I highly doubt in a blind test most could hear a difference between 32bit and 34bit when the majority can't hear a difference between 16 and 24 let alone 24 and 32.
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You have to remember that the k-05x also incorporates a CD/SACD player. Take a look at the high end Transport Mechanism. Compare that with the proposed
BCD-3. It's a different ballgame. So that alone adds a big cost to the k-05x.
Not defending it, but just stating.
As for the DAC portion, yes it has some interesting specifications. But they also allow you to do may tweaks to the output. Some being:
Playback at the original sampling frequency, 2X, 4X and 8X up-conversion of the PCM digital signal
A range of D/D conversion modes are also available for the PCM format, such as PCM-to-DSD conversion
A selection of 4 different digital filters. FIR1, FIR2, SLDY1, SLDY2.
I would love to see a GUI on the BDA-3 that would allow the default bryston settings, along with the above tweaks. I personally have had the experience where
depending on the speaker you have, a FIR1 filter would sound great, and on another speaker the SLDY2 would sound the best. The BDA-3 was hard set with one
of these 4 filters.
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I believe Goldmund also repackaged Oppo players, though did at least make a couple changes.
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I believe Goldmund also repackaged Oppo players, though did at least make a couple changes.
Correct. But they did make changes indeed.
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You have to remember that the k-05x also incorporates a CD/SACD player. Take a look at the high end Transport Mechanism. Compare that with the proposed
BCD-3. It's a different ballgame. So that alone adds a big cost to the k-05x.
Not defending it, but just stating.
As for the DAC portion, yes it has some interesting specifications. But they also allow you to do may tweaks to the output. Some being:
Playback at the original sampling frequency, 2X, 4X and 8X up-conversion of the PCM digital signal
A range of D/D conversion modes are also available for the PCM format, such as PCM-to-DSD conversion
A selection of 4 different digital filters. FIR1, FIR2, SLDY1, SLDY2.
I would love to see a GUI on the BDA-3 that would allow the default bryston settings, along with the above tweaks. I personally have had the experience where
depending on the speaker you have, a FIR1 filter would sound great, and on another speaker the SLDY2 would sound the best. The BDA-3 was hard set with one
of these 4 filters.
Sorry, can you explain what is a GUI?
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Graphical User Interface
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Thank you!
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You have to remember that the k-05x also incorporates a CD/SACD player. Take a look at the high end Transport Mechanism. Compare that with the proposed
BCD-3. It's a different ballgame. So that alone adds a big cost to the k-05x.
Not defending it, but just stating.
As for the DAC portion, yes it has some interesting specifications. But they also allow you to do may tweaks to the output. Some being:
Playback at the original sampling frequency, 2X, 4X and 8X up-conversion of the PCM digital signal
A range of D/D conversion modes are also available for the PCM format, such as PCM-to-DSD conversion
A selection of 4 different digital filters. FIR1, FIR2, SLDY1, SLDY2.
I would love to see a GUI on the BDA-3 that would allow the default bryston settings, along with the above tweaks. I personally have had the experience where
depending on the speaker you have, a FIR1 filter would sound great, and on another speaker the SLDY2 would sound the best. The BDA-3 was hard set with one
of these 4 filters.
True about the expensive transport however that has no baring on the sound, simply the price. With the Bryston BDA3 DAC you can also up sample but it does not allow for selecting different filters as you mention. Also the BDA3 can't to my knowledge convert PCM to DSD as you mention the K05X can do.
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In case you'd like to compare the BDA-3 with Esoteric's product, I think you'd have to pick the D-07x, which is a D/A Converter like the BDA-3. D-07x's price should be around 5.000$
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Or you could compare the Teac UD-503 which is the general consumer version of esoteric. It uses the 4490 chips.
It has all of the digital filter settings/etc that I listed above for the k-05x. Also has a master clock input.
It is half the price of the BDA-3.
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You have to remember that the k-05x also incorporates a CD/SACD player. Take a look at the high end Transport Mechanism. Compare that with the proposed
BCD-3. It's a different ballgame. So that alone adds a big cost to the k-05x.
Not defending it, but just stating.
The transport has little/no impact on SQ -- once the disc is lifted off the tray....
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In case you'd like to compare the BDA-3 with Esoteric's product, I think you'd have to pick the D-07x, which is a D/A Converter like the BDA-3. D-07x's price should be around 5.000$
I believe they both use the same chip, the 05 and 07, the 07 would be closer in price to the BDA3 though.
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I believe they both use the same chip, the 05 and 07, the 07 would be closer in price to the BDA3 though.
Yes, even if the D-07x seems newer poject than D-05
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In case you'd like to compare the BDA-3 with Esoteric's product, I think you'd have to pick the D-07x, which is a D/A Converter like the BDA-3. D-07x's price should be around 5.000$
I believe they both use the same chip, the 05 and 07, the 07 would be closer in price to the BDA3 though.
Sorry, I started mixing up devices. I didn't pick up on the fact that you stated the D-07x (DAC only) not the K-07X. The D-07X although strictly just a DAC like the BDA-3 does not have the similar chip as the BDA-3 and K-05X/K-07X.
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Just to bring it back on topic... :D
...I had confirmation of my 7B3 order today, so hope to be able to give them a thorough listen in early May.
I'd be happy to then post a review provided that a) it would be of interest to folks and b) it doesn't break any Forum rules...
Very excited to be *finally* introducing some Bryston Amplification after I've enjoyed their Digital gear for many years.
Happy days ! :D
Ian
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Ian - Congratulations on ordering the 7B Cubed amps! I believe you will be one of the first here to get them, and I would appreciate getting your comments on their performance in time. Enjoy! :thumb:
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Just to bring it back on topic... :D
...I had confirmation of my 7B3 order today, so hope to be able to give them a thorough listen in early May.
I'd be happy to then post a review provided that a) it would be of interest to folks and b) it doesn't break any Forum rules...
Very excited to be *finally* introducing some Bryston Amplification after I've enjoyed their Digital gear for many years.
Happy days ! :D
Ian
Congrats!
Please post your comments :thumb:
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Hi Alex
No I do not think it can be as it is a slightly different design - I will ask.
james
...have you been able to find out, James?
al.
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...have you been able to find out, James?
al.
Hi Al
No the 875 will not have a Cubed version.
james
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Hi Al
No the 875 will not have a Cubed version.
james
James, just to make sure...has the 875 ever been a SST or SST² version???? if not then what type of design is it in reality?
thanks,
al.
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James, just to make sure...has the 875 ever been a SST or SST² version???? if not then what type of design is it in reality?
thanks,
al.
It was based on SST2
james
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Here's a tricky question for those in the know...
I can afford either a pair of new SST3 7's or a pair of ex-demo 28 SST2's.
Pre-amp is an SP3 and speakers are Vandersteen Quatros, the ones with the built-in 300W active subwoofers.
I've been using a Theta Dreadnaught for about a decade, but am about to move to a bigger place and think that upgrading to Bryston monoblocks will improve the soundstage, separation and noise floor.
As the speakers are partially active, it may be unnecessary to have the 1k of power of the 28's, but all of the reviews I've read suggest they also have detail and delicacy to rival Tubes...
...but what I don't know is whether the new 7's will match or even surpass that.
Thoughts anyone ?
Ian
Ian - good choice on the new 7Cubes over an older set of 28's.
looking forward to read your observations. congrats!
TJ
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Hi
Honestly if we could build a better performing amplifier (if linearity of waveform is your goal) we would. The only way we could increase costs would be as you say to add ultimate cosmetics. That has its place but it really is not who we are.
Our products represent state of the art performance at a price that most serious listeners can afford. To be honest I find products that look great and perform poorly and cost ridiculous amounts of money is sadly more common than you may think. I also think these poor performing but cosmetically appealing products injure the credibility of our industry.
james
Nicely stated James. Well done Bryston!
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Folks, some teaser... :wink:
(http://i759.photobucket.com/albums/xx240/larevoj/Audiophile/538cfac8f84b8d5a54d50d3494c94679_zpsdj5fiina.jpg)
(http://i759.photobucket.com/albums/xx240/larevoj/Audiophile/60013aefcfdc7a44d2ad8aae24870b37_zpsfgmibbg7.jpg)
(http://i759.photobucket.com/albums/xx240/larevoj/Audiophile/5cb73e188afaeca050c2ee9d01d673fb_zps0yizzdnq.jpg)
(http://i759.photobucket.com/albums/xx240/larevoj/Audiophile/b106bc22588db4c11c9dc812adca9607_zpsei8dj1yo.jpg)
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Nice pics :thumb:
james
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Has anyone been able to do a direct comparison to the 4BSST2 ? I have one and am considering upgrading to the new 4B cubed. Wondering if it is very subtle differences or if noticeable and worth the upgrade for the sst2 owners
Sorry if this has already been mentioned
Read the review :beer:
http://www.xtremeplace.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=84322.msg1136912#msg1136912
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Hi James,
I just bought 4B Cebed this afternoon at local dealer AFA ,after side by side compared with 4BSST2 noticeable improvement of the background and control.
Regards,
Jonathan
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I can't help but think after reading that review if there was that much noticeable difference the guys system must have had a very high noise floor all along given the differences between the 2 amp designs and what he is hearing now. In a system that was basically dead silent to start with that's where I'm curious as to any perceived audible differences between the 2 designs.
James, any new details about the upgrade path?
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I can't help but think after reading that review if there was that much noticeable difference the guys system must have had a very high noise floor all along given the differences between the 2 amp designs and what he is hearing now. In a system that was basically dead silent to start with that's where I'm curious as to any perceived audible differences between the 2 designs.
James, any new details about the upgrade path?
We are still trying to see if we can make the upgrade without having to go through all the safety and hydro approvals - the government bureaucracy is indicating that if we make changes to existing products we have to re-summit them which means more costs and just a huge headache :duh:
james
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Oh no...
Wow that would be a major hassle for sure. So how would that work in practice, the cost would probably me more like you allude to but would that mean the amps sent in for the upgrade would perhaps see a much longer turnaround time as well?
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If they have to be resubmitted for approvals could the 20 year warranty be reset? If not, what would prevent that from happening? Still to many components not being upgraded?
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Oh no...
Wow that would be a major hassle for sure. So how would that work in practice, the cost would probably me more like you allude to but would that mean the amps sent in for the upgrade would perhaps see a much longer turnaround time as well?
It would be a nightmare - the cost is in the many thousands of dollars to get approvals and each and every model would have to be resubmitted. You can see why most companies simply ignore the regulations imposed.
By the way these regulations are getting more and more strict and honestly there is more paper work and time spent now to get clearances than it takes to design a new product. Small companies starting out do not have a chance and if they ignore the regulations and get caught they are restricted from selling product into that country.
james
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If they have to be resubmitted for approvals could the 20 year warranty be reset? If not, what would prevent that from happening? Still to many components not being upgraded?
Hi
No the 20 year warranty could not be reset as not all the parts are replaced.
james
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I can't help but think after reading that review if there was that much noticeable difference the guys system must have had a very high noise floor all along given the differences between the 2 amp designs and what he is hearing now. In a system that was basically dead silent to start with that's where I'm curious as to any perceived audible differences between the 2 designs.
James, any new details about the upgrade path?
Hi Rod_S, I wrote the brief review posted in the link earlier.
The system was plugged into BIT to start with. Like you have mentioned the noise floor is already very Low but with the 4B3 the improvements are apparent. As listed in my notes there are number of areas I didn't expect it to do so well. I guess you will have to give it a listen... :thumb:
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It would be a nightmare - the cost is in the many thousands of dollars to get approvals and each and every model would have to be resubmitted. You can see why most companies simply ignore the regulations imposed.
By the way these regulations are getting more and more strict and honestly there is more paper work and time spent now to get clearances than it takes to design a new product. Small companies starting out do not have a chance and if they ignore the regulations and get caught they are restricted from selling product into that country.
james
Hi James, are these regulations mandatory in every markets including International? Sounds like the upgrade path is unlikely to happen afterall... :(
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Hi James, are these regulations mandatory in every markets including International? Sounds like the upgrade path is unlikely to happen afterall... :(
Yes they are mandatory and whats even more complicated is different countries have different rules - China is CCC for example.
james
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It would be a nightmare - the cost is in the many thousands of dollars to get approvals and each and every model would have to be resubmitted. You can see why most companies simply ignore the regulations imposed. ...
james
You mean aside from the cost to actually do the upgrade which I think you have estimated would be appx. 25% of the amps cost plus you would actually have to add thousands on top of that price? If so then I think it would be safe to say no one would upgrade, the price would probably be ranging from being 50% or more for the less expensive models to probably approaching the 50% mark I would guess for say the 28's and 14's..
This would be a huge disappointment. I think many were looking forward to being able to upgrade and could swallow the appx. 25% plus shipping. But adding thousands to that, definitely a bummer. :(
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I guess you will have to give it a listen... :thumb:
I guess so because on paper and I'm sure when connected to instrumentation to take measurements the impact for reduced noise would be measureable but it's odd that the reduction on the input stage would have such an impact on a system with already an inaudible noise floor. Sounds to me like more changes were done than just in the input stage or else you are imagining the differences :D
Like you say I would have to give them a listen. Just not in a store but in my system.
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With all these new regulations it's going to take something just short of a miracle to get the 28s approved it would seem.
James, if the 28's haven't yet passed are you getting worried with the current design they won't and would need altered? If that is even possible without purposefully degrading the design or simply just leaving them at SST2s and not offering a cubed version.
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With all these new regulations it's going to take something just short of a miracle to get the 28s approved it would seem.
James, if the 28's haven't yet passed are you getting worried with the current design they won't and would need altered? If that is even possible without purposefully degrading the design or simply just leaving them at SST2s and not offering a cubed version.
No we are close to the OK's on the 28B's. Had to change a fuse rating an other minor safety labels.
james
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No we are close to the OK's on the 28B's. Had to change a fuse rating an other minor safety labels.
james
Light at the end of the tunnel, congrats.
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Seems Mr Russell had stated that in Jan/Feb in a magazine review that I read where Bryston could not do the upgrade.
Wish I could remember which review it was.
Should have bee stated before as it was know before :sleep:,especially people lookin perhaps to the upgrade...HELLO :scratch:.
Just say the way it is and don't keep people hanging on.
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Seems Mr Russell had stated that in Jan/Feb in a magazine review that I read where Bryston could not do the upgrade.
Wish I could remember which review it was.
Should have bee stated before as it was know before :sleep:,especially people lookin perhaps to the upgrade...HELLO :scratch:.
Just say the way it is and don't keep people hanging on.
I resent that you would accuse me of lying. Nothing could be further rrom the truth. These safety and hydro requirements we did not know till very recently based on the new Cubed designs.
Sometimes I really wonder why I put myself out there given some peoples hostile and uncalled for accusations.
James
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James,
Several, if not most, of us really appreciate your activity on the forums. Your candor and willingness to share what Bryston is ATTEMPTING are welcomed!
I'd be disappointed too if there isn't an upgrade option for my 4BSST-2, but I wouldn't hold it against you. You explained the engineering folks had to make sure it was possible. Check. Now it's the certification stuff. So, Bryston is trying to make it possible. Regardless of the outcome, thanks for sharing and for explaining the process (and hold-ups) along the way.
- Garrett
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I don't understand why you people expect to be able to upgrade your amplifiers years and years after you purchased them. When an automaker comes out with a new model, I don't expect to be able to get my five-year-old car upgraded to the new one. If you want a cubed amp, sell your old one and buy one. But quit making it sound like somehow Bryston has a duty to offer this service.
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Although I'm not a fan of the new faceplate design, after seeing the pics in the little review by larevoj I'm digging the metal toggle switches on the back panel in place of the long used plastic sliders. I prefer the grey trigger panel though vs the green.
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Hi James,
Just let me know when it's time to update. I like the faceplate of my 7b's.
Cheers,
BJ Hammell
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I for one appreciate James' efforts on this Forum. Information flow and the requirements of regulators aren't always in sync or palatable to all concerned. So, it can be a bit like operating with one hand tied behind one's back. Still, I'm very happy with my Bryston gear and the efforts of the Bryston team to provide any and all available advice to smooth out my audio journey.
cheers
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James... new circle participant, long time Bryston admirer, recent 4B SST2 owner. Your transparency, candor and honesty has validated my commitment to Bryston! Don't let one comment change your approach! I also appreciate the travails with regulations. I understand their intentions, but these are not medical devices! I trust you guys will do all you can for all of us out here! Thanks again for the stream.
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Like I said James it was put out a few months ago.
Maybe I'll dig it up for you.
Mr. Russel stated it in the review NO UPGRADE
I didn't accuse you of anything,I said at least Be HONEST especially IF THERE IS NO UPGRADE and keep people hanging on.
You should have stated that months ago,your looking like the prick
There you go you can BAN me,your YES/NO is BS
have a nice night :thumb:...
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I apologize for Mr. Russell
as it was the showing at CES 2016 Weinhart Design
UNFORTUNATELY NO UPGRADE
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James - I would personally like to offer you my sincere appreciation for your active participation in the Bryston circle. You provide a level of support that I've rarely seen from your competitors and set an example for others to follow. Your timely responsiveness to issues raised here continues to amaze and impress me. Please don't let anyone's negativity bring you down, your effort is apparent and very much appreciated. Keep up the fine work!
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James - I would personally like to offer you my sincere appreciation for your active participation in the Bryston circle. You provide a level of support that I've rarely seen from your competitors and set an example for others to follow. Your timely responsiveness to issues raised here continues to amaze and impress me. Please don't let anyone's negativity bring you down, your effort is apparent and very much appreciated. Keep up the fine work!
Thanks Bill - I appreciate your comments.
Brian may have his own ideas about upgrades and whether they would be offered or not but I have always approached it with the assumption if it could be done I would certainly work in that direction. I am still hopeful I can pull this off as I think that is what is best for our customers.
james
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Just got 7B3 landed to my room. WOW very impressive. Let me borrow wording from Larevoj's review;
A perceivable lower noise floor; quiet and clear contrast.
Superb imaging and clarity with distinctive separation of instruments.
I do totally agree with these statements. Surprisingly I didn't expect this degree of changes from my previous 7BSST2. Well done Bryston!!!
(http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i457/pdg911/brys/image.jpeg)
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Just got 7B3 landed to my room. WOW very impressive... Surprisingly I didn't expect this degree of changes from my previous 7BSST2. Well done Bryston!!!
(http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i457/pdg911/brys/image.jpeg)
Congratulations Prodigy911 !
Can I ask what music you played and in what way the changes manifested themselves ?
I'm waiting for a pair of 7B3's to be delivered myself and so starting to think about what to play first ! :-)
Ian
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Just got 7B3 landed to my room. WOW very impressive. Let me borrow wording from Larevoj's review;
A perceivable lower noise floor; quiet and clear contrast.
Superb imaging and clarity with distinctive separation of instruments.
I do totally agree with these statements. Surprisingly I didn't expect this degree of changes from my previous 7BSST2. Well done Bryston!!!
(http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i457/pdg911/brys/image.jpeg)
WOW - great picture - can you send me a jpeg of it please - jamestanner@bryston.com
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Prodigy: Congrats and enjoy the new cubies.
My test for a power amp is Mahler's 3rd Symphony (Bernstein/NY Phil). It is LONG, but it has everything, brass, bass, voices, strings....fast, slow, delicate, stupendously loud.
Go for it!
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My test for a power amp is Mahler's 3rd Symphony (Bernstein/NY Phil). It is LONG, but it has everything, brass, bass, voices, strings....fast, slow, delicate, stupendously loud.
I've had a quick check and I have a Mahler boxset by Warner Classics featuring CBSO/Rattle, so hopefully that will suffice :-)
Other fave audition tracks include...
- the opening two tracks of Elfman's "Mission Impossible" soundtrack
- "Son of Tut" by Dr.Didj
- "Love You to Death" by Type O Negative
- "Sixth Sense" by the United Future Organisation
- "Diamonds On The Soles Of Her Shoes" by Paul Simon
- the "James Bond Theme" by Moby
But which one FIRST !?
This is worse than Desert Island Discs...
...but in a good way... :-)
Ian
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"Diamonds On The Soles Of Her Shoes" by Paul Simon
james
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Congratulations Prodigy911 !
Can I ask what music you played and in what way the changes manifested themselves ?
I'm waiting for a pair of 7B3's to be delivered myself and so starting to think about what to play first ! :-)
Ian
Hello Ian
My collection is mostly vocal and instrumental jazz music. My most favorite is from Soundliaison.com's Carmen Gomes. The changes I got from my new gear is the clarity of music instruments and wider soundstage. :thumb:
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(http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i457/pdg911/brys/image.jpeg)
That's a stunning setup, congrats !!
You combine Moon and Bryston, which I think is a really good match. I have the Moon P-8 RS preamp (and Moon 750D CD/DAC) combined with Bryston 28B SST2 monoblocks.
In fact, I had up till now a Bryston 14B SST amp and, since yesterday, I'm the proud owner of a pair of ex-demo 28B SST2 monoblocks (silver beasts in the front in the picture below) :D
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=141137)
Sorry for the cable mess, I just set up everything provisionnally, being eager to hear how the 28B SST2 monoblocks sound (you can still see my 'old' black 14B SST to the right in the back (left is a black 6B SST for surround)). The 28B SST2 monoblocks sound amazing: sweet, homogeneous across the frequency range and less bass emphasis than my 14B SST. But, oh boy, the 28Bs really have grunt when you turn up the volume.
I've been quietly reading this entire thread and I've been impressed with how forthcoming James Tanner has been in this thread with trying to respond to all kinds of questions. I registered with AudioCircle to react to the comments made by some people earlier in this thread.
As a fresh owner of Bryston 28B SST2 amps, am I disappointed because Bryston released the new Cubed series? Certainly not ! My Bryston 28B SST2 monoblocks are reference amps. They were so when they were introduced to the market and they didn't get any worse since, period ! My ears didn't get any better either, in fact they continue to deteriorate since I was born, just like the ears of everybody else (it's physiology).
Besides, I do not wish to spend the budget to buy such amps new. Most of my audio gear is ex-demo or second hand.
Bryston should also not need to justify itself to introduce a new series to the market after 7 years or so. A 10% price increase is also reasonable: parts become more expensive and salaries go up. This is in contrast to the quite shameless price increases I've seen with other brands that I like, such as B&W en Pass Labs. Those companies seem to have priced their latest series rather on the 'how-far-can-we-stretch-it?' principle than on parts + labour + reasonable profit margin.
I appreciate that Bryston is looking into the possibility of offering an upgrade for SST2 owners. I'll see what it adds up to (cost + sound wise) and then make my decision.
My advice to James Tanner/Bryston is: continue exactly like you have done up till now. If so, I will remain your (very happy) customer for the rest of my life. :thumb:
Greetings from Luxembourg,
Antoon.
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Hi Antoon,
That's a great-looking rig you have there. Bet it performs superbly.
One track I forgot to mention that I use to test soundstage and resolution is Beethoven's Wellington's Victory, by Neville Marriner/Acad St Martin in the Fields. This particular version has horses, crows, cannonfire, and trumpets all over the soundstage. Good workout for speakers and amps. Try it.
cheers
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One track I forgot to mention that I use to test soundstage and resolution is Beethoven's Wellington's Victory, by Neville Marriner/Acad St Martin in the Fields. This particular version has horses, crows, cannonfire, and trumpets all over the soundstage. Good workout for speakers and amps. Try it.
Another great idea Maestro ! I've just started a new thread for just such recommendations...
BTW I checked out your thoughts on the Bernstein version of Mahler's Third and the reviews are great, and it's also been remastered, so I think I'll pick a copy up... :-)
Ian
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Ian,
Get this album. The Wellington's Victory is stupendous sound.
http://www.prestoclassical.co.uk/r/Philips/4262392#download
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Thanks for the suggestion and the link Maestro.
I'll buy the flac version of the Battle Symphony and listen to it tonight.
Cheers
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Great, Antoon. Enjoy!
I do MP3 320-kbps from Presto Classical -- I can't hear any diff with that vs FLAC. Even on my floor system.
cheers
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Hi, I am looking forward to receiving my 4B3 in the near future. Can anyone recommend a good solid amp stand in case I want to get the amp up off the wood floor?
The amp and stand will be largely hidden behind a Magnepan panel and a subwoofer. The main criterion is that the stand's width and length not be much greater than the amp's dimensions, as space is tight.
Also, any thoughts on whether I should plug the 4B3 into the wall outlet directly versus plugging it into my PS Audio Quintessence Power Center?
Thanks!
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I've been thinking of putting my amps on 30mm plywood plates with an oak finish to fit my wooden floor; the plates would have rubber feet (one could also use spikes). Both the plywood and the feet absorb vibrations. It's cheap and you can have it cut to any size you want.
In my case, I'll choose the width such that it fits between the legs of my existing hifi rack so that I can build the rack around it.
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I use Cardas myrtle wood cuboids, one under each rubber foot of my 14B2 which is on a wood floor. No fuss, effective dampening. See my album.
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Very interesting, thanks for the great suggestions.
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Hi, I am looking forward to receiving my 4B3 in the near future. Can anyone recommend a good solid amp stand in case I want to get the amp up off the wood floor?
The amp and stand will be largely hidden behind a Magnepan panel and a subwoofer. The main criterion is that the stand's width and length not be much greater than the amp's dimensions, as space is tight.
Also, any thoughts on whether I should plug the 4B3 into the wall outlet directly versus plugging it into my PS Audio Quintessence Power Center?
Thanks!
Salamander
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Hello there James,
I am a loyal Bryston fan and a regular reader/lurker here. I appreciate your active participation here on AudioCircle and really like your candour. Do keep up the good work and do not let anyone's comments discourage you.
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Nice picture of the new 4B Cubed 17 inch Black.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=141312)
james
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Nice picture of the new 4B Cubed 17 inch Black.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=141312)
james
My imagination, or is that a tad bit slimmer than 4B-squared? :scratch:
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My imagination, or is that a tad bit slimmer than 4B-squared? :scratch:
Hi
Your imagination :thumb:
james
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It would be divine....if the future Quad-series of poweramps could have the option of a wood cabinet front panel. My Vienna Acoustics speakers have solid cherry wood cabinetry and they look/sound absolutely gorgeous.
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My Vienna Acoustics speakers have solid cherry wood cabinetry and they look/sound absolutely gorgeous.
Vienna Acoustics builds very beautiful speakers, but I couldn't find any with solid cherry wood cabinetry. According to Vienna Acoustics, the Mozart Grand Symphony Edition are "beautifully finished with selected real wood veneers", and even the Reference Klimt series are veneered. (?)
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Vienna Acoustics builds very beautiful speakers, but I couldn't find any with solid cherry wood cabinetry. According to Vienna Acoustics, the Mozart Grand Symphony Edition are "beautifully finished with selected real wood veneers", and even the Reference Klimt series are veneered. (?)
Canadian distributor is Bluebird. They carry the Mozarts in cherry.
http://www.bluebirdmusic.com/
An interesting article -- VA's factory:
http://www.vienna-acoustics.com/images/speakers_corner/1REVIEWS/01ViennaAcoustics/content/pdfs/03ViennaTAS.pdf
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Canadian distributor is Bluebird. They carry the Mozarts in cherry.
Yes, HDF with Cherry veneer. Thanks for the article link.
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Nice picture of the new 4B Cubed 17 inch Black.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=141312)
james
Oooh, I like it!
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Plugged my 7B3's in but the status on the back is flashing red continuously, even when not connected to speakers, and I can't seem to get them out of that mode.
Any ideas ?
Ian
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Unplug, flip breaker switch, replug, fip back on?
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Hi
Yes for safety reasons the breaker on the back has to be in the ON position before you plug in the power cable to the wall
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Thanks Maestro/James !
Despite me moving house soon, I decided that I could not wait a whole month before opening the boxes and listening to my new 7B3's and boy are they good ! First impressions are extraordinary... as others have said, it is the depth of the noise floor, and therefore the dynamics of the sound, that are their most obvious feature, but after just an hour or so of listening the speed, timbre, space, placement, *everything* is a real step up!
Congratulations to James and Team - a truly revelatory and, dare I say "Revolutionary" rather then "Evolutionary" improvement !
Ian
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I just received my 7B3's on Friday and for just out of the box all I can say is Impressive.. :thumb:
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It would be divine....if the future Quad-series of poweramps could have the option of a wood cabinet front panel. My Vienna Acoustics speakers have solid cherry wood cabinetry and they look/sound absolutely gorgeous.
If face plates can be swapped... couldn't someone just make their own?
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Yes for safety reasons the breaker on the back has to be in the ON position before you plug in the power cable to the wall
Is that correct? It seems counterintuitive.
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Is that correct? It seems counterintuitive.
Hi
The way it works is if for some reason the power amp shorts out or has a safety issue once the circuit breaker pops - even if you put it back into ON position the amplifier will not restart.
james
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Hi James,
Are the 6B and 9B already available with their new cosmetics? And how about the plans that there wil be cubed versions of the 6B and 9B?
Regards,
WillyP
Hi Folks
Yes we finally received a ‘patent’ on new circuitry we have been working on for over a couple of years now.
This new circuitry will be utilized in the new Stereo and Mono Bryston ‘Cubed Series’ of amplifiers. It does not apply to the modular multi-channel 6B or 9B at this point but we are looking at that going forward. The newest version of the B135 Integrated amp also applies.
There are new cosmetics as well for all the power amplifiers including the 6B and 9B.
James
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Hi James,
Are the 6B and 9B already available with their new cosmetics? And how about the plans that there wil be cubed versions of the 6B and 9B?
Regards,
WillyP
Hi Willy
I believe the new cosmetics are going to be available soon. The Cubed versions are probably at least 6 months out. The 9B and 6B are modular designs and the Cubed input circuits have to be handled in a differnt way.
james
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Hi James,
Thank you very much for your prompt answer. Shouldn't you be sleeping now instead of answering E-mail?
Regards,
WillyP
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Hi James,
Shouldn't you be sleeping now instead of answering E-mail?
Regards,
WillyP
Ys I know - I'm addicted :duh:
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Ys I know - I'm addicted :duh:
...that is why we love you, James :thumb:
al.
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Is that correct? It seems counterintuitive.
I thought that too until I read the manual ! :duh:
I'd assumed that it was an "ON/OFF" switch but it's not ! It's actually a trip switch (very much like what you have in a house fuse box) which then made sense of why it needs to be flipped to the "on" position before power is reconnected.
Simples ! :D
Ian
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Hi, I am looking forward to receiving my 4B3 in the near future. Can anyone recommend a good solid amp stand in case I want to get the amp up off the wood floor
Thanks!
Check out
http://www.timbernation.com/isolationplatforms_popup.cfm
I used one of the platforms under my 4bsst2. It is now under my turntable. I will get two more for my 28s
Also check out SolidSteel products. I have one of their midrange equipment racks
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http://av2day.com/2016/04/bryston-4b-cubed-power-amp-and-bda-3-dac-launched/
james
James the Cube is fantastic, it's a big jump in subjective sound over the square and it goes a lot louder before clipping...
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James,
Any idea when the 135 squared is coming out? I notice the web page says new photos coming soon.
I'm secretly hoping I'll be able to update to cubed status.... Either way interested.
Cheers!
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Check out
http://www.timbernation.com/isolationplatforms_popup.cfm
I used one of the platforms under my 4bsst2. It is now under my turntable. I will get two more for my 28s
Also check out SolidSteel products. I have one of their midrange equipment racks
Great suggestions, thanks!
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James,
Any idea when the 135 squared is coming out? I notice the web page says new photos coming soon.
I'm secretly hoping I'll be able to update to cubed status.... Either way interested.
Cheers!
Hi
All current B135's are already Cubed versions. The cosmetics have not changed.
james
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Hi
All current B135's are already Cubed versions. The cosmetics have not changed.
james
Thanks James.
I presume the silk screening will change? Hence the comment on the webpage that the photos currently show the old version?
Any news on ability to upgrade my 135?
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Thanks James.
I presume the silk screening will change? Hence the comment on the webpage that the photos currently show the old version?
Any news on ability to upgrade my 135?
Hi
I am not sure that can be done - I will check with Mike.
james
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James,
What is the current wait time on the 7b's, once you have the order.
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James,
What is the current wait time on the 7b's, once you have the order.
Hi
Depending on colour and size about 2 weeks.
james
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Haven't been on the A/C site for a while. Is there an update on the availability and cost to upgrade from 7BSST2 to 7B3?
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Haven't been on the A/C site for a while. Is there an update on the availability and cost to upgrade from 7BSST2 to 7B3?
HI
No sorry not yet - still trying to get the certification bureaucracy to allow us to do upgrades without having to have them certified.
james
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Any chance the Pro Cubed amps can come with speakon connectors?
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Any chance the Pro Cubed amps can come with speakon connectors?
Hi
No sorry they will have standard 5-way.
james
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Hi. What is the most suitable power cable for the cube amp?
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Hi. What is the most suitable power cable for the cube amp?
Now that's a real can of ghoulash. :o
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Hi. What is the most suitable power cable for the cube amp?
Short and thick. Seriously.
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Hi Folks
From Inner Ear Magazine:
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=142054)
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Hi James,
So upgrading the SST2 units to Cubed series by the local distributor outside your factory is out of question, right?
Could one order the latest ^3 amps with the SST2 faceplates? I still like the idea of not having to explain much to my better half, when the budget allows for upgrades, hee hee. : )
Thanks,
Klao
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Could one order the latest ^3 amps with the SST2 faceplates? I still like the idea of not having to explain much to my better half, when the budget allows for upgrades, hee hee. : )
Very sneaky :D
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Hi James,
So upgrading the SST2 units to Cubed series by the local distributor outside your factory is out of question, right?
Could one order the latest ^3 amps with the SST2 faceplates? I still like the idea of not having to explain much to my better half, when the budget allows for upgrades, hee hee. : )
Thanks,
Klao
Hi Klao
Yes it is definitely a factory upgrade if we get the OK.
I think the old faceplates will fit but you might want to include new faceplates as well as resale value would be poor otherwise.
james
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Hi James, I am really enjoying my new 4B3 amp. One quick operational question: Is it safe to toggle the rear Gain Select Switch between 23dB and 29dB while the amp is powered on, or should I turn off the power using the front Power/Standby switch before each throw of the Gain Select Switch?
Reason for asking: I have two primary source components, and one is quite a bit louder than the other at the same pre-amp volume setting. I cannot turn the pre-amp volume pot past around 9:00 O'Clock when using the louder source component. I find that my pre-amp sounds best with the volume around 12 O'Clock, so I was thinking of toggling the Bryston's Gain Select Switch down to 23dB when listening to this component, and then back up to 29dB when listening to the other one.
Thanks!
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Hi James, I am really enjoying my new 4B3 amp. One quick operational question: Is it safe to toggle the rear Gain Select Switch between 23dB and 29dB while the amp is powered on, or should I turn off the power using the front Power/Standby switch before each throw of the Gain Select Switch?
Reason for asking: I have two primary source components, and one is quite a bit louder than the other at the same pre-amp volume setting. I cannot turn the pre-amp volume pot past around 9:00 O'Clock when using the louder source component. I find that my pre-amp sounds best with the volume around 12 O'Clock, so I was thinking of toggling the Bryston's Gain Select Switch down to 23dB when listening to this component, and then back up to 29dB when listening to the other one.
Thanks!
Yes that should be fine assuming you do not hear any pops during switching and I would leave the volume fully down when switching.
James
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Thanks, James! I tried the Gain Select Switch with the amp power on and my pre-amp volume all the way down. No pop at all, and it turns out that both source components sound fine at the 23dB setting, so I will likely leave the switch in that position.
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HI James,
Would you still have 2 black 28b SST 17 inch faceplates, no handles, laying around? Im considering a swap, but if you don't have them anymore, ill stop ;)
Cheers,
Marius
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HI James,
Would you still have 2 black 28b SST 17 inch faceplates, no handles, laying around? Im considering a swap, but if you don't have them anymore, ill stop ;)
Cheers,
Marius
I will check.
james
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Hi Folks,
Sneak Peek:
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston 4B Cubed Review in hi-finews U.K.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=142338)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=142339)
Favourite Quote:
“Ultimately I couldn't find anything that would trip up the Bryston 4B3, no matter what I fed it, the amplifier responded with effortlessness and poise.
It has a refinement and innate musicality that suggests it can turn its hands to anything, albeit in a manner backed by an underlying sense of mischief, and a feeling of power that is little short of addictive.
The measurements (from Paul Miller) are equally impressive overall.”
Adam Smith
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Hi Folks,
Sneak Peek:
Favourite Quote:
“Ultimately I couldn't find anything that would trip up the Bryston 4B3, no matter what I fed it, the amplifier responded with effortlessness and poise.
It has a refinement and innate musicality that suggests it can turn its hands to anything, albeit in a manner backed by an underlying sense of mischief, and a feeling of power that is little short of addictive.
The measurements (from Paul Miller) are equally impressive overall.”
Adam Smith
Thanks for the review preview, James. I have had my 4B3 for just over a week now, and I agree with the reviewer that the sound is addictive! I find that I can hear much deeper into recordings that I thought I knew well. The instruments and voices were all there before, but now with the 4B3 they are sorted out in such a convincing way, from front to back, side to side, and relative to each other, that it is uncanny. I never owned a Squared amp, so I cannot offer a comparison on that front, but I can say that I have never heard my listening room or my Magnepan MG .7's sound so good! Congratulations to Bryston on a great amp, and on the upcoming Hi-Fi News review!
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Thanks for the review preview, James. I have had my 4B3 for just over a week now, and I agree with the reviewer that the sound is addictive! I find that I can hear much deeper into recordings that I thought I knew well. The instruments and voices were all there before, but now with the 4B3 they are sorted out in such a convincing way, from front to back, side to side, and relative to each other, that it is uncanny. I never owned a Squared amp, so I cannot offer a comparison on that front, but I can say that I have never heard my listening room or my Magnepan MG .7's sound so good! Congratulations to Bryston on a great amp, and on the upcoming Hi-Fi News review!
Thank you for the feedback - much appreciated - ENJOY! :thumb:
james
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Looks like this will be out in about a week's time:
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=142365)
Do you know of any reviews of the 7B3 in the pipeline James ?
Everyone who's been round to my place to listen to mine have been blown away ! :-)
Ian
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^^ STOP THE PRESSES!! ^^
"US muscle amp flexes its specs." :duh:
(http://www.keylimecanada.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/madeincanadamatters.jpg)
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^^ STOP THE PRESSES!! ^^
"US muscle amp flexes its specs." :duh:
(http://www.keylimecanada.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/madeincanadamatters.jpg)
I noticed that too. Yikes
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^^ STOP THE PRESSES!! ^^
"US muscle amp flexes its specs." :duh:
(http://www.keylimecanada.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/madeincanadamatters.jpg)
Ya we are still considered the "colonies" over here in N.America :lol:
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Marius -
Hi James;
The computer says we have 6 pcs of the 28BSST2 black 17” panel in stock. $300.00 each, plus shipping, for dress panel kits.
Thanks,
Mike
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HI James,
Thanks, unfortunately thats a bit steeper than i would have hoped for really. Gee, too bad. :cry:
Maybe i should wait until you can't use them anymore in the current amp lineup ;) Thanks for checking though, much appreciated.
Marius
Marius -
Hi James;
The computer says we have 6 pcs of the 28BSST2 black 17” panel in stock. $300.00 each, plus shipping, for dress panel kits.
Thanks,
Mike
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I think I asked this a couple weeks ago in a different thread, but will any of the cubed tech be eventually making it into the preamps or headamp?
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I think I asked this a couple weeks ago in a different thread, but will any of the cubed tech be eventually making it into the preamps or headamp?
HI
I do not think so as the input circuits on the amplifiers do not really apply to the low level gain stages on the preamps and headamps.
james
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MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: New Cubed Amplifiers – Thoughts!
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=142569)
Hi James,
Having a right run on the new Cubed 7B’s, sold 4 this week :-)
For me the noise floor just seems lower so you get a more dynamic sound if that makes sense, everything seems to erupt from an inkier black background but still very neutral and honest with just enough warmth to give a very lifelike presentation.
For me you guys still make the best amps in the world :-)
Regards,
Paul Clark
Here to listen...
hifi lounge
4 The Granary Buildings, Millow Hall Farm, Millow, Dunton,
Bedfordshire, SG18 8RH, Phone: +44 (0) 1767 448121
Email: paul@hifilounge.co.uk
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When will we begin to see all the rave reviews on the Cubed series from the audiophile trade press? :o
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When will we begin to see all the rave reviews on the Cubed series from the audiophile trade press? :o
HI
It will be a while - we are very backordered and customers come first.
james
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HI
I do not think so as the input circuits on the amplifiers do not really apply to the low level gain stages on the preamps and headamps.
james
Thanks James.
I see the B135 received the Cube treatment. How about the B60r? (what does that "r" stand for anyways?)
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Thanks James.
I see the B135 received the Cube treatment. How about the B60r? (what does that "r" stand for anyways?)
Hi
No plans in changing the B60 - the R stands for 'remote'
James
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(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=142671)
james
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Reading that mini review I see it mentions "The Bryston sound, which some consider clean has gained warmth". That's scary, that would seem to imply linearity has been sacrificed to achieve a desired "tone".
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Another interpretation would be that the sound of the older models was a bit lean and the additional warmth makes it much better balanced and more natural sounding. My point is that you really have to hear it for yourself to make such determinations based upon your individual preferences and expectations.
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Another interpretation would be that the sound of the older models was a bit lean and the additional warmth makes it much better balanced and more natural sounding. My point is that you really have to hear it for yourself to make such determinations based upon your individual preferences and expectations.
Sure, you're right.
Still it makes one wonder. The rave reviews we read make us almost depressed with our mediocre Sst2's, or even sst's... (not!)
Might be fun to didge up some reviews from 2009, or even read the 14bsst2 reviews posted not to long ago on this board. They might very well use the same terminology.
Cheers,
Marius
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Reading that mini review I see it mentions "The Bryston sound, which some consider clean has gained warmth". That's scary, that would seem to imply linearity has been sacrificed to achieve a desired "tone".
A common concern with Bryston's gear has been that it sounds a little harsh. You'll find it all over the place if you search. Warranted or not. One could argue that it's letting the harshness found in many DACs, particularly older ones, come through, and it was never the amplifier in the first place.
But I definitely agree with the part of review that touts the amplifier's transparency: the 4B3 we just got in is very clean so don't worry about that, but it is also smooth and detailed without any added harshness. And I don't like harsh sounding gear. I am hearing more of what's upstream get through to the speakers.
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A common concern with Bryston's gear has been that it sounds a little harsh. You'll find it all over the place if you search. Warranted or not. One could argue that it's letting the harshness found in many DACs, particularly older ones, come through, and it was never the amplifier in the first place.
I highly suspect that a lot of the misconceptions about Bryston gear sounding "harsh" is because there are so many old amps floating around that are overdue for some servicing and recapping.
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My 7B SST2's are now going on 7 years old. Have listened long and hard to all genres from excellent to poor recordings and harsh is the last word in the dictionary I would use to describe them. In fact, the big SST2's have been described by multiple reviewers as sounding more tube like than any other SS amp out there at the time. If you are hearing harsh through these amps better check your upstream components or the recording itself. One A/C member who has a pair of 28's wrote in one day say he removed the top of the amp and was wondering where the tubes were hidden in the layout. Tongue in cheek of course but no less descriptive of the sound.
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My 7B SST2's are now going on 7 years old. Have listened long and hard to all genres from excellent to poor recordings and harsh is the last word in the dictionary I would use to describe them. In fact, the big SST2's have been described by multiple reviewers as sounding more tube like than any other SS amp out there at the time. If you are hearing harsh through these amps better check your upstream components or the recording itself. One A/C member who has a pair of 28's wrote in one day say he removed the top of the amp and was wondering where the tubes were hidden in the layout. Tongue in cheek of course but no less descriptive of the sound.
Say +1 to that.
revealing might be the best adjective. If the output seems harsh, so might well be the input. do not blame the messenger. Not this one.
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Hi James,
taking your press release (http://www.bryston.com/PDF/pressReleases/2016_01_Cubed-INTRO_REL.pdf), the Cubed series are developed around these 3 changes:
- a patented super-linear, low noise input buffer
- a more robust RF and audio frequency noise filtering circuit before the power supplies to prevent unwanted anomalies on the power line from interfering even minutely with the audio signal.
- an elegantly redesigned milled aluminum front panel.
can you already share with us whether the first 2 can be upgraded into the current 28b's? is it a matter of switching the boards (fingers crossed), or will the amp require a complete rebuild.....
concerning 2: im searching for ways to tell/hear whether there is a need for this, could you elaborate a bit on the noise filtering, and how one can tell if 'unwanted anomalies are interfering" ?
the reason i ask is that i don't hear anything troubling my music. But that might just be me, being adjusted to the interfering ;-(( in other words, how to tell if my setup is being interfered or not.
Cheers,
Marius
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Marius,
I think noise contributes a "veil" to the music. For my system, I didn't know a veil was there, until it was reduced by power conditioning. Quite startling, really, as I always thought my noise floor was super-low. The only advice I can give is to hear it for yourself. Frankly, if your noise floor is already subterranean, you might not hear much of an improvement in resolution and stage depth, despite what some specs may suggest.
I'm quite content with my system as it stands right now. :thumb:
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Hi James,
taking your press release (http://www.bryston.com/PDF/pressReleases/2016_01_Cubed-INTRO_REL.pdf), the Cubed series are developed around these 3 changes:
- a patented super-linear, low noise input buffer
- a more robust RF and audio frequency noise filtering circuit before the power supplies to prevent unwanted anomalies on the power line from interfering even minutely with the audio signal.
- an elegantly redesigned milled aluminum front panel.
can you already share with us whether the first 2 can be upgraded into the current 28b's? is it a matter of switching the boards (fingers crossed), or will the amp require a complete rebuild.....
concerning 2: im searching for ways to tell/hear whether there is a need for this, could you elaborate a bit on the noise filtering, and how one can tell if 'unwanted anomalies are interfering" ?
the reason i ask is that i don't hear anything troubling my music. But that might just be me, being adjusted to the interfering ;-(( in other words, how to tell if my setup is being interfered or not.
Cheers,
Marius
Hi Marius
I agree with Canadian above - I find its an insidious thing this noise - when it goes away you are aware that something was causing a slight veil to the sound and yet you would not have said your system had noise issues prior to the removal.
Also the world is starting to fill up with all kinds of RF interference and in fact one of the hurtles with the Cubed amplifiers was meeting all of these conditions in getting certification that we not only prevent any radiation from our products but in fact try to make them as immune as possible to picking up any stray radiation.
james
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Thanks Canadian and James,
I feared as much.... Now how to test one of these power conditioners. That would at least require a customer facing dealer ;-( Ill try to find one, and also give Mafico another bump.
about the other question, about what James so rightly puts, making the amps as immune as possible? Can these 2 new designs (input buffer, and noise filtering circuit) be built into the 28b yet?
btw, which of these 2 takes care of the low power standby consumption? Or is that a 3d circuit not mentioned in your press release ;-)
btw2: could you explain a bit how the input buffer changes to prior designs, what it does? Or just point me to a previous answer, i obviously missed, sorry for that.
Thanks,
Marius
Hi Marius
I agree with Canadian above - I find its an insidious thing this noise - when it goes away you are aware that something was causing a slight veil to the sound and yet you would not have said your system had noise issues prior to the removal.
Also the world is starting to fill up with all kinds of RF interference and in fact one of the hurtles with the Cubed amplifiers was meeting all of these conditions in getting certification that we not only prevent any radiation from our products but in fact try to make them as immune as possible to picking up any stray radiation.
james
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Thanks Canadian and James,
I feared as much.... Now how to test one of these power conditioners. That would at least require a customer facing dealer ;-( Ill try to find one, and also give Mafico another bump.
about the other question, about what James so rightly puts, making the amps as immune as possible? Can these 2 new designs (input buffer, and noise filtering circuit) be built into the 28b yet?
btw, which of these 2 takes care of the low power standby consumption? Or is that a 3d circuit not mentioned in your press release ;-)
btw2: could you explain a bit how the input buffer changes to prior designs, what it does? Or just point me to a previous answer, i obviously missed, sorry for that.
Thanks,
Marius
The engineering side I would have to ask the designers. The design was based on a patten so there should be some info available.
james
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OK found this:
Bryston Cubed Differences
I can explain the differences and the thinking behind the 3 or Cubed Series amps, but it's a bit complex and long-winded, sorry:
A few years ago, we had a review in a Swedish magazine that pronounced the 14B SST2 to be 'perfect'. That was not based on 'he liked it'; it had nothing to do with auditory preference, it had to do with transparency. The reviewer had and still has a setup where he can literally 'bypass' an amplifier to drop it out of the signal path, (dummy speaker load, gain-reduction L-pad, leading to a second amplifier to the speakers). The 14B SST2 turned out to be impossible to detect in the signal path, on any signal they tried, from simple guitar music to full orchestra ffff, to an electronic metronome with instant rise time and no overshoot. And it was the first audio device in his history to do so.
That does not mean the amplifier is actually 'perfect', of course. It just means that it is not contributing, (or subtracting), anything the ear can detect, to or from the signal path in an otherwise exemplary system.
From that result and many others of our own, we concluded that static distortion measurements do not tell the whole story. It would seem that if static THD and IMD are low enough, 0.001% or -100dB, they cease to be relevant factors in the transparency of the device. More important are time smear, deviations in frequency-response, dynamic distortions, noise within the device or from RF interference, etc.
Thus we did not introduce our new 'Salomie' input stage (which we received a patent on) simply to reduce static distortion. Our newest 'Cubed Series' amplifiers do have lower THD and IMD than the 'Squared Series' that preceded them, but not significantly so. They measure out at about 0.001% or a bit below, over almost the entire frequency band. However, and we consider this to be most important, they are quieter and more musically accurate in a number of ways; First, the 20-20K noise is reduced, but the new input stage has far better PSRR, or power-supply rejection ratio. This means hash on the power-supply is rejected, in this case by more than 140dB. The input stage also has much better CMRR, or common-mode rejection. That means it rejects noise coming in on the signal cable much more completely than before. These are dynamic issues that can show up in a real-world system completely apart from static THD and IMD.
In addition to the above, the new Cubed Series employs highly effective RF rejection in the power supplies, which traps and eliminates radio-frequency hash from either interfering with or emanating from the amplifier via the power cable or signal cables.
The audible improvements we realized with these approaches are rather subtle. They would have to be with amps that started out 'perfect' in at least one reviewer's description, but they show up from very low listening levels, almost whisper-quiet, where the silences are more inky-black than before. It's almost an unconscious realization. They amps also cope better with dirt and hash of all kinds on the power cord, from distorted 60Hz Voltage to RF. Thus the quiet middle-of-the-night listening is even more relaxing and emotionally accessible. The depth of the soundstage and the precision of instrument placement is closer to reality than ever before.
Of course, that's what it really boils down to; recreating the original musical experience in your home. The 'you are there' feeling. It's what we have been pursuing from day one, and are still focused on. The Cubed Series is closer than ever.
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great write-up, thanks James.
My question stands: how to build this in my 28b's!
Hope to hear from engineering soon!
Marius
OK found this:
Bryston Cubed Differences
I can explain the differences and the thinking behind the 3 or Cubed Series amps, but it's a bit complex and long-winded, sorry:
A few years ago, we had a review in a Swedish magazine that pronounced the 14B SST2 to be 'perfect'. That was not based on 'he liked it'; it had nothing to do with auditory preference, it had to do with transparency. The reviewer had and still has a setup where he can literally 'bypass' an amplifier to drop it out of the signal path, (dummy speaker load, gain-reduction L-pad, leading to a second amplifier to the speakers). The 14B SST2 turned out to be impossible to detect in the signal path, on any signal they tried, from simple guitar music to full orchestra ffff, to an electronic metronome with instant rise time and no overshoot. And it was the first audio device in his history to do so.
That does not mean the amplifier is actually 'perfect', of course. It just means that it is not contributing, (or subtracting), anything the ear can detect, to or from the signal path in an otherwise exemplary system.
From that result and many others of our own, we concluded that static distortion measurements do not tell the whole story. It would seem that if static THD and IMD are low enough, 0.001% or -100dB, they cease to be relevant factors in the transparency of the device. More important are time smear, deviations in frequency-response, dynamic distortions, noise within the device or from RF interference, etc.
Thus we did not introduce our new 'Salomie' input stage (which we received a patent on) simply to reduce static distortion. Our newest 'Cubed Series' amplifiers do have lower THD and IMD than the 'Squared Series' that preceded them, but not significantly so. They measure out at about 0.001% or a bit below, over almost the entire frequency band. However, and we consider this to be most important, they are quieter and more musically accurate in a number of ways; First, the 20-20K noise is reduced, but the new input stage has far better PSRR, or power-supply rejection ratio. This means hash on the power-supply is rejected, in this case by more than 140dB. The input stage also has much better CMRR, or common-mode rejection. That means it rejects noise coming in on the signal cable much more completely than before. These are dynamic issues that can show up in a real-world system completely apart from static THD and IMD.
In addition to the above, the new Cubed Series employs highly effective RF rejection in the power supplies, which traps and eliminates radio-frequency hash from either interfering with or emanating from the amplifier via the power cable or signal cables.
The audible improvements we realized with these approaches are rather subtle. They would have to be with amps that started out 'perfect' in at least one reviewer's description, but they show up from very low listening levels, almost whisper-quiet, where the silences are more inky-black than before. It's almost an unconscious realization. They amps also cope better with dirt and hash of all kinds on the power cord, from distorted 60Hz Voltage to RF. Thus the quiet middle-of-the-night listening is even more relaxing and emotionally accessible. The depth of the soundstage and the precision of instrument placement is closer to reality than ever before.
Of course, that's what it really boils down to; recreating the original musical experience in your home. The 'you are there' feeling. It's what we have been pursuing from day one, and are still focused on. The Cubed Series is closer than ever.
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Marius,
I think noise contributes a "veil" to the music. For my system, I didn't know a veil was there, until it was reduced by power conditioning. Quite startling, really, as I always thought my noise floor was super-low. The only advice I can give is to hear it for yourself. Frankly, if your noise floor is already subterranean, you might not hear much of an improvement in resolution and stage depth, despite what some specs may suggest.
I'm quite content with my system as it stands right now. :thumb:
Hi Marius
I agree with Canadian above - I find its an insidious thing this noise - when it goes away you are aware that something was causing a slight veil to the sound and yet you would not have said your system had noise issues prior to the removal.
Also the world is starting to fill up with all kinds of RF interference and in fact one of the hurtles with the Cubed amplifiers was meeting all of these conditions in getting certification that we not only prevent any radiation from our products but in fact try to make them as immune as possible to picking up any stray radiation.
james
Both very informative posts thus if possible it's always good to get a component for in home demo to see if it makes any difference. Speaking more of SST2 vs Cubed here as that's what makes the most sense. Comparing say the cubed to another manufacture's amp becomes a lot more complicated determining why one sounds different, at least comparing a SST2 to a cube, based on what we've been told the differences are, if differences are in fact heard then it's likely there was noise you weren't aware that you had. As an alternative and perhaps a less expensive upgrade (depending on make and model of course) would then be to try a power conditioner and/or a quality power cord like a Shunyata which has noise filtering built in or Siltech Signature series which is also very effective at shielding noise as 2 power cord examples to see if you then get the same results. Its very likely you would.
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Rod - While you raise an interesting possibility, I believe that the new circuitry in the Cubed amps addresses an additional type of noise filtering than could be achieved via AC treatments alone. The new circuitry in the Cubed amps is in the amplifier's input circuit and reduces noise there which then gets passed on and amplified further by the output stage. So it reduces both noise in the AC line as well as potential RF noise in the amp's initial signal gain stage.
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Quite possible. I guess for the most part it's just pulling hairs in a way, look here, address there, etc. for something that's not even a problem in some systems. But the old motto applies for those moving from another manufacturer and possibly to some moving from older series Bryson's, better to have and not need then need and not have.
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Words of wisdom, Rod!
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Speaking of the SST2's and cubes, James has there been any new developments with respect to when/if there will be SST2 upgrades available?
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Speaking of the SST2's and cubes, James has there been any new developments with respect to when/if there will be SST2 upgrades available?
Hi
We are still waiting on the requirement for certification on the update issue to be answered by the powers that be. I know there is nothing we can do on the 14B (chassis issues) as an upgrade but the other models look doable as soon as we get the OK.
james
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Hi
We are still waiting on the requirement for certification on the update issue to be answered by the powers that be. I know there is nothing we can do on the 14B (chassis issues) as an upgrade but the other models look doable as soon as we get the OK.
james
Thanks for the update and at least we now know the answer for one amp so 14B-SST2 owners can move forward armed with that info.
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Hi
We are still waiting on the requirement for certification on the update issue to be answered by the powers that be. I know there is nothing we can do on the 14B (chassis issues) as an upgrade but the other models look doable as soon as we get the OK.
james
Well, there goes my upgrade path! Oh well, the 14bsst2 is no slouch.
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Nice shot of the new 4B Cubed at one of our dealers.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=143330)
james
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Nice shot indeed. The looks are growing on me. Thank you James, thank you very much. :duh:
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Well, there goes my upgrade path! Oh well, the 14bsst2 is no slouch.
Very true. A lifer for me. :thumb:
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my thoughts:
the cosmetics did strike me as a bit odd on fist glance via the website. after seeing james' pics here, i now feel they look pretty cool.
as for the chronic complaining regarding the switch from sst2 to 3 or cubed, as james said it has been over 8 years sice the release of sst2, so imo, this not so much an abrupt change...and the complaints are not really warranted, imo especially when you have other manufacturers changing up stuff every 5 years or less.
finally, it looks like bryston is really on top of their game more than ever before. sky's the limit, it seems.
and james, would you say it's time for a checkup of my bp6 and 4bsst? both units are 9 years old.
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my thoughts:
as for the chronic complaining regarding the switch from sst2 to 3 or cubed, as james said it has been over 8 years sice the release of sst2, so imo, this not so much an abrupt change...
I didn't sense any form of complaining here....just technical queries, insights, and perspectives concerning the squared/cubed series.
Only time and owners will tell how big a jump the cubed amps will be, and in which direction, from the squared amps. Under real listening room conditions.
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Nice shot of the new 4B Cubed at one of our dealers.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=143330)
james
I'd much rather have that 4B than the Tenor gear below it and some change in my pocket. 8) The new look is growing on me.
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I didn't sense any form of complaining here....just technical queries, insights, and perspectives concerning the squared/cubed series.
Only time and owners will tell how big a jump the cubed amps will be, and in which direction, from the squared amps. Under real listening room conditions.
well, everyone percieves differently...and that's a hot potato waiting for the user feedback. since it's your ears and your wallet, you are the final judge regardless of others say...i could say the 3s absolutely are superior and the other guy could say the sst2s blow the 3s right out of the water.and then you'll have the guy who'll say his 4bsst is still the cat's meow. in other words, it will never end...but i digress, it's better than nothing, but you and only you have to please yourself first...personally, i can't see why bryston,being the company that they are, which is rather conservative, would roll out a product line just for the heck of it.
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well, everyone percieves differently...and that's a hot potato waiting for the user feedback. since it's your ears and your wallet, you are the final judge regardless of others say...i could say the 3s absolutely are superior and the other guy could say the sst2s blow the 3s right out of the water.and then you'll have the guy who'll say his 4bsst is still the cat's meow. in other words, it will never end...but i digress, it's better than nothing, but you and only you have to please yourself first...personally, i can't see why bryston,being the company that they are, which is rather conservative, would roll out a product line just for the heck of it.
hi, Dave!
first: welcome back! second: well said :thumb:
al.
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hi, Dave!
first: welcome back! second: well said :thumb:
al.
thanks to everything!
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...personally, i can't see why bryston,being the company that they are, which is rather conservative, would roll out a product line just for the heck of it.
Not that they (Bryston) would ever do that in my mind but if we are broadening that thought across manufacturers in general here are some thoughts. For example an amp like the SST2 has been around, what 7 years???, so after a while it becomes harder for a dealer to sell an "old" amp to a customer who knows the amp has been around for a long time and prefers to wait for the next best thing or simply look across the showroom floor to a recently released amp from the competition. People's memories are short, we often forget how good the old is and simply want the new.
Another reason could simply be parts supply for a manufacturer, perhaps an older series uses components which have become harder and harder to source then a company is either forced to do a new design (i.e. new release) or make major tweaks to the current. Also new tech comes along that a company wants to utilize thus this facilitates a new design because the old can't be modified to accept it or a company has no desire to invest more into the older design and simply moves forward with a new model. You have to move on eventually.
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For example an amp like the SST2 has been around, what 7 years???
We could take that even further. The 2B-LP was release in 1983 and is still in production!
That's one reason I like Bryston. No flavor of the month or change for the sake of change. :thumb:
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We could take that even further. The 2B-LP was release in 1983 and is still in production!
That's one reason I like Bryston. No flavor of the month or change for the sake of change. :thumb:
exactly.
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Not that they (Bryston) would ever do that in my mind but if we are broadening that thought across manufacturers in general here are some thoughts. For example an amp like the SST2 has been around, what 7 years???, so after a while it becomes harder for a dealer to sell an "old" amp to a customer who knows the amp has been around for a long time and prefers to wait for the next best thing or simply look across the showroom floor to a recently released amp from the competition. People's memories are short, we often forget how good the old is and simply want the new.
Another reason could simply be parts supply for a manufacturer, perhaps an older series uses components which have become harder and harder to source then a company is either forced to do a new design (i.e. new release) or make major tweaks to the current. Also new tech comes along that a company wants to utilize thus this facilitates a new design because the old can't be modified to accept it or a company has no desire to invest more into the older design and simply moves forward with a new model. You have to move on eventually.
good point. food for thought. maybe james can chime in on this...
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Hi Folks,
Sneak Peek - review of the Bryston 4B Cubed amplifier in Canada Hi-Fi Magazine:
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=143656)
"The new Bryston Cubed Series amplifiers are an evolution of the company's SST2 design; however, rather than an evolutionary step, I’d call this one more of a leap."
Full review coming June 1st.
james
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Another nice pic of the Bryston Cubed - 14B, 4B and 2.5B :thumb:
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=143659)
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Another nice pic of the Bryston Cubed - 14B, 4B and 2.5B :thumb:
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=143659)
Looks great!
Is there an option for handles with the 2.5B? Any pictures?
Thanks.
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Hi
No the 2.5 comes in a 17 or 19 inch faceplate but no handles.
james
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Hi Folks,
Sneak Peek - review of the Bryston 4B Cubed amplifier in Canada Hi-Fi Magazine:
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=143656)
"The new Bryston Cubed Series amplifiers are an evolution of the company's SST2 design; however, rather than an evolutionary step, I’d call this one more of a leap."
Full review coming June 1st.
james
Review not live yet? Can't find it.
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Review not live yet? Can't find it.
They tell me any day now.
james
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Thanks for the info, James.
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Hi Folks,
Apparently we have a review on the 4B Cubed in Hi-Fi News and Record Review magazine in the UK.
Will try to get a copy.
james
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Is this the review that you meant?
http://www.technologyfactory.com/reviews/Bryston/Bryston-4B-Hi-Fi-News.pdf (http://www.technologyfactory.com/reviews/Bryston/Bryston-4B-Hi-Fi-News.pdf)
Pundamilia
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Is this the review that you meant?
http://www.technologyfactory.com/reviews/Bryston/Bryston-4B-Hi-Fi-News.pdf (http://www.technologyfactory.com/reviews/Bryston/Bryston-4B-Hi-Fi-News.pdf)
Pundamilia
Hi Pundamilla
Yes thank you - everyone was telling me about it but I could not get a copy - much appreciated.
james
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Ahh! The power of the Internet (and Google)! :D
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Very nice review. It was great to finally see talk of a tech comparison between the SST2 and Cube and as I thought there are a lot of similarities in performance carried forward, probably more than differences.
Any new developments about possibly upgrading certain SST2 units? Last update was that the 14B-SST2 is out.
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Any word on if/when we might see an SST3 edition of the 9B Five Channel Amp from Bryston?
http://www.bryston.com/products/power_amps/9BSST-2.html
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Any word on if/when we might see an SST3 edition of the 9B Five Channel Amp from Bryston?
http://www.bryston.com/products/power_amps/9BSST-2.html
Hi
It will be a few months still.
James
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Is this the review that you meant?
http://www.technologyfactory.com/reviews/Bryston/Bryston-4B-Hi-Fi-News.pdf (http://www.technologyfactory.com/reviews/Bryston/Bryston-4B-Hi-Fi-News.pdf)
Pundamilia
Good review, thanks.
Always refreshing to read a detailed, balanced assessment, with some measurements and a comparison to boot. Hope the cubed series takes off big time.
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Hi james
i've email mike last week but haven't heard from him for the RMA. :duh:
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Hi james
i've email mike last week but haven't heard from him for the RMA. :duh:
Hi
He was in Europe but back now. Please resend
James
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Hi James,
From what I've read before so far about the new Cubed amps, I thought the input impedance specs would change somewhat. Did not they? I gathered they would be easier to drive by any pre-amplifier (even some tube ones)?
Thanks.
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Hi James,
From what I've read before so far about the new Cubed amps, I thought the input impedance specs would change somewhat. Did not they? I gathered they would be easier to drive by any pre-amplifier (even some tube ones)?
Thanks.
No I do not think that changed - I will ask.
james
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MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Dealer Feedback – 7B Cubed Mono Amplifiers
Hi Folks
Nice feedback from Artizan Audio GmbH - one of our dealers in Switzerland!
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=144500)
Hi Bryston
Recently received our demo Bryston 7B3 Cubed mono amplifiers, and they are
Awesome !
Fox Artizan Delany
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Do you have a backlog on the new cubed amp orders ?
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Do you have a backlog on the new cubed amp orders ?
Hi dally
It would depend on finish and size - 4B's currently are heavily backordered and 28B's.
james
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Hi James
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=144632)
We have first 4B³ review in Germany.
Quote: Best amplifier for that price on the market..
Unfortunately they used name 4B SST³ but it is no problem for us..
Edvard
Germany
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Canada Hi-Fi
4B Cubed review:
http://www.canadahifi.com/bryston-4b3-cubed-series-amplifier/
james
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Interesting review. Particularly, since the reviewer was very familiar with the 4B-SST2and therefore could compare it with the Cubed version.
Is he on the Bryston payroll? :lol:
Pundamilia
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Hi James,
A very elaborate review on the 3B³ on alpha-audio.nl:
http://www.alpha-audio.nl/2016/05/review-bryston-3b-sst3/
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=144644)
Quote:
"After our extensive review me may conclude that with the 3B³ you buy yourself a very good amplifier. A power house that not only is built bullet-proof but plays with a refinement and precision.
We can only say that this 3B³ is in the class of "absolute reference".
Hein van der Klaauw
Mafico Audio-Video
Bergschenhoek
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Hi James
HOLY CRAP!
Just hooked up the new Bryston 28B Cubed amplifiers.
You have got to be fucking kidding me! Really?
Best amps I have ever heard. PERIOD.
Bill White,
Store Manager
Fred's Sound of Music
Portland, OR
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Hi James
HOLY CRAP!
Just hooked up the new Bryston 28B Cubed amplifiers.
You have got to be ****ing kidding me! Really?
Best amps I have ever heard. PERIOD.
Bill White,
Store Manager
Fred's Sound of Music
Portland, OR
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Forgive me if this question has already been discussed but I have a pair of 7B SST2's that are now 7 years old. I bought them to drive a very tricky and difficult load presented by my Infinity 9 Kappas. Since then I have recently replaced them with a pair of Focal Sopra 2's which are an easy load at 8 ohms nominal, 3.6 ohm minimum and 91 db efficiency rating. James has always positioned choosing a Bryston amp as an application decision and not a "good, better, best" decision. That is top say the sound quality is uniform across the line such that you need only choose how much "horsepower" you need for your speakers and room size requirements.
This begs the obvious question, should I consider the new 4B3? Would I realize the new performance enhancements without a loss of performance in this scenario? Put another way, would 7BSST2>4B3 be an upgrade or a downgrade in this lower power requirement situation?
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Forgive me if this question has already been discussed but I have a pair of 7B SST2's that are now 7 years old. I bought them to drive a very tricky and difficult load presented by my Infinity 9 Kappas. Since then I have recently replaced them with a pair of Focal Sopra 2's which are an easy load at 8 ohms nominal, 3.6 ohm minimum and 91 db efficiency rating. James has always positioned choosing a Bryston amp as an application decision and not a "good, better, best" decision. That is top say the sound quality is uniform across the line such that you need only choose how much "horsepower" you need for your speakers and room size requirements.
This begs the obvious question, should I consider the new 4B3? Would I realize the new performance enhancements without a loss of performance in this scenario? Put another way, would 7BSST2>4B3 be an upgrade or a downgrade in this lower power requirement situation?
I came from more power and landed into a 2.5 cubed for my focal 1027be's. I've never been short on power dynamics or oomph of any kind. I hit a easy 85-88 db in my listening room and there is no signs of strain.
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I'm driving speakers that are less efficient than yours (89 db and a slightly lower resistance than yours too). I started with a 9B-SST2, which felt underpowered. The 4B-SST2 is just perfect.
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MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston 28B Cubed – Dealer feedback
June 2016
Hi James and Brian,
We received our Bryston 28B CUBED a week ago.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=144898)
We hooked them up and let them play non stop till this past Saturday. I then sat down for a serious listening session.
WOW !!!! Never left the sound room for 2hrs.
They are exceptional amps , beyond impressive !
I suspect that you will be selling a few of these !
Amazing products from an amazing company…….congratulations on all the CUBED units !
Steve Nicola
Pres.
AUDIOVILLE inc .
Montreal
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Hi James,
I'm on vacation in Germany and just recently read the review of the 4B3 in Fidelity magazine. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the quote "best amplifier for that price on the market" comes from the closing paragraph. Is that right?
If so, it's a somewhat misleading translation. The original German says the amp is "eine der besten Endstufen, die man für Geld und gute Worte kaufen kann." Correctly translated, the gist is that the amp is one of the best money can buy -- i.e., regardless of price, not just "for that price." My German is far from perfect, but I checked with a friend who is fluent and she confirmed this.
Well, I haven't done any extensive comparisons, but I can tell you I'm really happy with my new 4B3 (I understand I was Audio One's first buyer). I agree with the glowing reviews I've read, and I imagine the sound will only get better as the amp fully breaks in.
Cheers,
Rudy (aka "007")
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Hi James,
Rudy is right, 'für Geld und gute Worte' literaly translated says: for money and good words.
In German(y) that means as much as the English phrase "for love or money".
put differently: under no (or, as in this case, all) circumstances.
Conclusion: another great review!
Cheers,
Marius
Hi James,
I'm on vacation in Germany and just recently read the review of the 4B3 in Fidelity magazine. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the quote "best amplifier for that price on the market" comes from the closing paragraph. Is that right?
If so, it's a somewhat misleading translation. The original German says the amp is "eine der besten Endstufen, die man für Geld und gute Worte kaufen kann." Correctly translated, the gist is that the amp is one of the best money can buy -- i.e., regardless of price, not just "for that price." My German is far from perfect, but I checked with a friend who is fluent and she confirmed this.
Well, I haven't done any extensive comparisons, but I can tell you I'm really happy with my new 4B3 (I understand I was Audio One's first buyer). I agree with the glowing reviews I've read, and I imagine the sound will only get better as the amp fully breaks in.
Cheers,
Rudy (aka "007")
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Hi James,
Rudy is right, 'für Geld und gute Worte' literaly translated says: for money and good words.
In German(y) that means as much as the English phrase "for love or money".
put differently: under no (or, as in this case, all) circumstances.
Conclusion: another great review!
Cheers,
Marius
Hi Marius
Thanks for the clarification - much appreciated.
james
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I like the term, Gemütlichkeit. Describes Bryston's amps perfectly, imo.
:thumb:
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Hi Folks
I have a PDF of the English translation of the German review in Fidelity Magazine on the new Bryston 4B Cubed amplifier.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=145083)
Email me if you want a copy jamestanner@bryston.com
james
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HI Folks,
Have a PDF of an Australian review on the new Bryston 14B Cubed amplifier.
Email me if you want a copy - jamestanner@bryston.com
james
Here's the link:
http://www.bryston.com/PDF/reviews/2016_06_Audio_Esoterica_Bryston14B3.pdf
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Thank you for your mail Mr. Tanner! :thumb:
Now that I'm getting more interested into the new Bryston amps I went out to go and buy HiFi News for the 4B3 review. However, when I came home I found that I bought the july edition whereas the review was in the june edition which is no longer on sale on 21-6! Is there a way to get the june edition review somewhere?
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Thank you for your mail Mr. Tanner! :thumb:
Now that I'm getting more interested into the new Bryston amps I went out to go and buy HiFi News for the 4B3 review. However, when I came home I found that I bought the july edition whereas the review was in the june edition which is no longer on sale on 21-6! Is there a way to get the june edition review somewhere?
http://www.technologyfactory.com/reviews/Bryston/Bryston-4B-Hi-Fi-News.pdf
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Did the weight of some of the cubes go up in comparison to the SST2's? I was browsing through the SST2 manuals because I needed to get the weight of my 28's then out of curiosity I looked up the cubes weight. The SST2 manual has is as 80lbs shipping weight so it would actually be less on it's own. The cube weight is 93lbs with no mention of shipping weight. Was there a big weight increase or is one (or both) manuals wrong?
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^ Interesting. Did the weight increase with the cubed all go into the new input stages, or something else (power supplies?)?
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Did the weight of some of the cubes go up in comparison to the SST2's? I was browsing through the SST2 manuals because I needed to get the weight of my 28's then out of curiosity I looked up the cubes weight. The SST2 manual has is as 80lbs shipping weight so it would actually be less on it's own. The cube weight is 93lbs with no mention of shipping weight. Was there a big weight increase or is one (or both) manuals wrong?
The new specs are correct the old ones are probable lite.
james
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I want to say thanks to all those who have provided feedback on this forum in regards to the Bryton 4B3. I recently acquired one after weeks of research and can say without any doubt it is one of the best audio upgrade purchases I have made in a long time. It literally tied my stereo together (as to quote a famous movie line). I went from a 20 year old Conrad Johnson MF-2300A to the latest incarnation of the 4B3 and couldn't be happier. It is a great fit for my current CJ LS17 preamp and my Vandersteen 3A Sigs with 2Wq subs. Clean and undistorted was my first impression but it turns out my previous amplifier wasn't reproducing the frequency spectrum equally and was lacking in the lower octave regions in significant ways. Gain and glare have all but disappeared, I thought this was due to my digital playback setup but that has even improved (OPPO 105).
A few thoughts. Its heavy. It stays significantly cooler than my CJ Amp. The toggle switches are easy to bump on the back when setting up and I had bumped it into bridged mode while setting up the cables. Nice to have the option for balanced inputs when I get the itch to upgrade my preamp someday too. I really like the speaker connects on back but didn't realize I could use a coin to tighten them up at first.
One "con" is the quality of the RCA connections on the back. I think they should spend a few more dollars for nicer RCA inputs. My cables are somewhat loose on these connections.
Finally, it looks great...I "had" to have the 19 rack style with handles...you know it sounds better that way :P
PS does anyone actually believe the 4B3 needs to be left on for a significant amount of time to sound any better? I am not noticing any warm up characteristics....sounds just as good one minute as it does a full day of being left on. Is the new pushbutton switch leave it in a state of "semi" powered?
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PS does anyone actually believe the 4B3 needs to be left on for a significant amount of time to sound any better? I am not noticing any warm up characteristics....sounds just as good one minute as it does a full day of being left on.
There is a quite a bit of "mythology" in hi-end audio. Magic markers for CDs, shakti stones, etc. I own a 14B2, and did not notice the slightest change in dynamics and SQ with warm-up times of several hrs.
Congrats and enjoy your 4B3!
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There is a quite a bit of "mythology" in hi-end audio. Magic markers for CDs, shakti stones, etc. I own a 14B2, and did not notice the slightest change in dynamics and SQ with warm-up times of several hrs.
Congrats and enjoy your 4B3!
I figured as much, thanks...I am glad I waited to grab the newest model. From what I can tell, these are a terrific bargain right now. The SST2 series has really dropped in price but I was able to pick up a barely used 4B3 for about the same as a used SST2 model. Maybe I got lucky...
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One "con" is the quality of the RCA connections on the back. I think they should spend a few more dollars for nicer RCA inputs. My cables are somewhat loose on these connections.
The fit of an RCA plug usually has nothing to do with the center pin, which when making contact has to move aside the spring center contact. Unfortunately, the ground shell fit is dependent on the relationship between the RCA jack outside diameter and the plug shell inside diameter, and there seems to be no standardized tolerance for this.
Because I have often experienced to loose or too tight a fit with RCA connections, even "quality" ones, I like to use locking RCA plugs which solves either potential problem.
Steve
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hi, Hikmer!
congrats on your new amp :thumb:especially if you had an amp for 20 years...man, it must be a complete new musical experience.
enjoy!
al.
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The fit of an RCA plug usually has nothing to do with the center pin, which when making contact has to move aside the spring center contact. Unfortunately, the ground shell fit is dependent on the relationship between the RCA jack outside diameter and the plug shell inside diameter, and there seems to be no standardized tolerance for this.
Because I have often experienced to loose or too tight a fit with RCA connections, even "quality" ones, I like to use locking RCA plugs which solves either potential problem.
Steve
I sent an email to the cable manufacture and asked if the RCA ends could be adjusted (AudioQuest Sky). I have expensive crossovers form Vandersteen that limit my ability to change out RCA cables.
However, the RCAs on this model still seem rather inexpensive and do move slightly. An RCA with a nut to secure the input to the back plate would be desired and also look far more professional (IMO). Most reasonably high end equipment I purchase has this type of input.
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hi, Hikmer!
congrats on your new amp :thumb:especially if you had an amp for 20 years...man, it must be a complete new musical experience.
enjoy!
al.
I really had no idea what I was missing...I always thought it was some other piece of gear that needed upgrading but quality amplification is a foundation that I will never overlook again.
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However, the RCAs on this model still seem rather inexpensive and do move slightly. An RCA with a nut to secure the input to the back plate would be desired and also look far more professional (IMO).
Understood. I've had components that have also had PCB mounted RCA jacks secured only by a screw through the back panel into the jack assembly, and when I plugged in a too-tight RCA cable (Monoprice), the PC board assembly could be heard creaking under strain.
Although some of the high end components that have RCA jacks secured by a threaded nut are hardwired (not PCB mounted), RCA jacks certainly do exist that are both PCB mounted and have a thread for hex nut retention.
Steve
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Understood. I've had components that have also had PCB mounted RCA jacks secured only by a screw through the back panel into the jack assembly, and when I plugged in a too-tight RCA cable (Monoprice), the PC board assembly could be heard creaking under strain.
Although some of the high end components that have RCA jacks secured by a threaded nut are hardwired (not PCB mounted), RCA jacks certainly do exist that are both PCB mounted and have a thread for hex nut retention.
Steve
Yeah that would have been my expectation as well....why not both? Also, having the power plug located in the dead center is difficult to three legged rack stands. I really consider these quibbles to be somewhat cosmetic but if anyone is reading who can give feedback to Bryston for the 4b4 model...then all the better. The toggle switches are also somewhat clumsy. Like I said, I easily switched these while reaching behind my amp and instantly knew something was wrong with the sound...FYI your amp will play music when in bridge mode with two speakers hooked up but it will sound terrible.
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I really consider these quibbles to be somewhat cosmetic but if anyone is reading who can give feedback to Bryston for the 4b4 model...then all the better.
Your "quibbles" have some merit for functionality.
In another post, someone was complaining that the power trigger Phoenix block connector was green instead of gray.
I always install my components with the front panel facing forward. ;)
Steve
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Your "quibbles" have some merit for functionality.
In another post, someone was complaining that the power trigger Phoenix block connector was green instead of gray.
I always install my components with the front panel facing forward. ;)
Steve
Ha funny.
One other thing...the order of operations on the amplifier threw me for a scare. The main circuit breaker on the back needs to be turned ON before the power cord is plugged in, otherwise the amp will not power up. I had the switch turned off then plugged in, and nearly freaked out thinking there was something wrong. There is a status light that blinks on the back which is red for bad and green for good...however being color bling I am at a loss to see this indication correctly. I finally figured it out but maybe I can help out another color challenged person.
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I want to say thanks to all those who have provided feedback on this forum in regards to the Bryton 4B3. I recently acquired one after weeks of research and can say without any doubt it is one of the best audio upgrade purchases I have made in a long time. It literally tied my stereo together (as to quote a famous movie line). I went from a 20 year old Conrad Johnson MF-2300A to the latest incarnation of the 4B3 and couldn't be happier. It is a great fit for my current CJ LS17 preamp and my Vandersteen 3A Sigs with 2Wq subs. Clean and undistorted was my first impression but it turns out my previous amplifier wasn't reproducing the frequency spectrum equally and was lacking in the lower octave regions in significant ways. Gain and glare have all but disappeared, I thought this was due to my digital playback setup but that has even improved (OPPO 105).
A few thoughts. Its heavy. It stays significantly cooler than my CJ Amp. The toggle switches are easy to bump on the back when setting up and I had bumped it into bridged mode while setting up the cables. Nice to have the option for balanced inputs when I get the itch to upgrade my preamp someday too. I really like the speaker connects on back but didn't realize I could use a coin to tighten them up at first.
One "con" is the quality of the RCA connections on the back. I think they should spend a few more dollars for nicer RCA inputs. My cables are somewhat loose on these connections.
Finally, it looks great...I "had" to have the 19 rack style with handles...you know it sounds better that way :P
PS does anyone actually believe the 4B3 needs to be left on for a significant amount of time to sound any better? I am not noticing any warm up characteristics....sounds just as good one minute as it does a full day of being left on. Is the new pushbutton switch leave it in a state of "semi" powered?
Congrats on the new amp. Yeah the jacks on the Bryston's are bit janky/cheap in comparison to other competing products in their price range unfortunately, it's always been that way though. They should bump up to using high quality WBT, Furutech, etc. connectors in my opinion. Given the quantity they would be ordering them in the cost increase wouldn't be much. I find your comment about the new toggle switch interesting and a bit troubling that you accidently changed it's position. I wondered if that would be an issue and it appears it is, they are large enough to get bumped. I think they look cooler than the previous style low profile plastic switches.
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Congrats on the new amp. Yeah the jacks on the Bryston's are bit janky/cheap in comparison to other competing products in their price range unfortunately, it's always been that way though. They should bump up to using high quality WBT, Furutech, etc. connectors in my opinion. Given the quantity they would be ordering them in the cost increase wouldn't be much. I find your comment about the new toggle switch interesting and a bit troubling that you accidently changed it's position. I wondered if that would be an issue and it appears it is, they are large enough to get bumped. I think they look cooler than the previous style low profile plastic switches.
Yeah the choice of RCA is odd but maybe they are limited by what they can pick as they are mounted to the board behind? Just a guess... I mean they did spend some case on those fancy speaker connections, why stop there?
The switches are easy to accidently flip if you are reaching around a difficult area and rub your arm against the back of the amp (as I did). They don't make any noise when the position is changed and very small to see...I had to triple check then read the manual to verify what setting was up and down. I had changed two of the switches on accident, the gain and bridged mode...that made a significant problem. However apparently it is ok to make these changes on the fly...but I would avoid it at loud volumes.
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MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston 14B Cubed Amplifier
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=145988)
Hi James,
I hooked up our new 14B cubed demo yesterday and let it run overnight.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=145989)
This morning, right after the store opened, I wanted to listen to see what it was all about and wound up sitting in the sound room for almost an hour.
This is the best Bryston amp that I've ever heard and I believe it can easily compete against others costing 2 to 3 times the price, it's that darn good!
You guys deserve a serious pat on the back for this one...
A very happy Bryston dealer,
Igor
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MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston 4B³ Cubed Review
July, 2016
Hi Folks,
Please see link to a review from Inner Ear Report magazine on the new Bryston 4B Cubed amplifier.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=146285)
http://www.innerearmag.com/reviews/amplifiers/Bryston_4B-3.htm
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=146286)
Favourite Quote:
“The 4B Cubed is one of the few amplifiers of which I know where careful listening and a good system set-up can transport one from the doldrums of merely good to the rank of excellence.”
Ernie Fisher
Inner Ear Report
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HI James
One great 4B³ review is online on one of the most popular online HiFi high end platforms in German speaking markets..:
http://www.hifistatement.net/
Best regards
Edvard
AViTech, Dkfm. Edvard Potisk e. U.
Czerningasse 16
1020 Vienna, Austria
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James,
Have you auditioned the Cube amps with your Maggie MG20.7's? Are the 7B3's enough, or do I hold out for the 28's on my Maggie MG20 ? Currently using Classe CAM400 monoblocks, which frankly, are inadequate, with 800 watts into 4 ohms. I realize it's not all about sheer wattage, but the 4 ohm output of the 7B3's is essentially the same, at 900 watts.
I need an amp that can deliver the unrestrained crescendos and subtleties of my BDP2/BDA3 combo.
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Any word on when beaded faceplates will be available for all the other gear?
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James,
Have you auditioned the Cube amps with your Maggie MG20.7's? Are the 7B3's enough, or do I hold out for the 28's on my Maggie MG20 ? Currently using Classe CAM400 monoblocks, which frankly, are inadequate, with 800 watts into 4 ohms. I realize it's not all about sheer wattage, but the 4 ohm output of the 7B3's is essentially the same, at 900 watts.
I need an amp that can deliver the unrestrained crescendos and subtleties of my BDP2/BDA3 combo.
Hi
Yes I have and the Maggies need all the power you can give them if you want to move away from and sense of that plastic quality they tend to have if they are under powered IMO. You need the reserve for the dynamic contrast to bloom as well. So if its not a budget issues (and it always is) go for the 28B's. Also (and I am not sure why) the 28B's just sound so open and liquid on the Maggies of any version.
james
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Any word on when beaded faceplates will be available for all the other gear?
Hi
We start next week on the preamps.
james
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Please have a home theatre bypass.
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Hi
We start next week on the preamps.
james
How noticeable is the finish difference in person?
What would be the cost associated with updating a BP26 and MPS2 with new faceplates and knobs?
Thanks
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How noticeable is the finish difference in person?
What would be the cost associated with updating a BP26 and MPS2 with new faceplates and knobs?
Thanks
It's pretty subtle - the finish is bead blasted giving it a tectured feel
James
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It's pretty subtle - the finish is bead blasted giving it a tectured feel
James
So more of a tactile difference and not worth worrying over retrofitting any existing gear. Good to know. :thumb:
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I'd say that if you have the new Cubed amps you might consider upgrading your other component's faceplates to match, otherwise I don't see the need.
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Is there a price increase from $19,200 on the 28B SST3?
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James, what is the lead time for the 7B3s.
thx..
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James, what is the lead time for the 7B3s.
thx..
Hi
About 2-3 weeks
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Is there a price increase from $19,200 on the 28B SST3?
Hi
Yes $10,995 a pair
james
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Yes $10,995 a pair
That would be great, a reduction of $8205! ;)
So should that have read "each", equating to a 14.5% or $2,790/pair increase, or is "pair" correct but there's a typo in the price and should have read $20,995/pair, equating to a 9.4% or $1795/pair increase?
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Hi
Yes $10,995 a pair
james
Is that the new direct pricing including shipping to US lower 48?
You are going to sell a ton of these.
:D
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If the pair of 28's was that price Bryston wouldn't be able to keep up with demand. They would have to halt production on all other models I would think. The 7's would essentially be pointless :)
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Is that the new direct pricing including shipping to US lower 48?
You are going to sell a ton of these.
:D
OOPS sorry that's EACH :duh:
james
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James,
Wondering if there is any progress on upgrade strategies/pricing to the new Cubed series?
Thanks!
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James,
Wondering if there is any progress on upgrade strategies/pricing to the new Cubed series?
Thanks!
Hi
No sorry - the certification and safety people will not let us make changes to existing products unless we re-certify which is not cost effective.
james
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Hi
No sorry - the certification and safety people will not let us make changes to existing products unless we re-certify which is not cost effective.
james
I won't tell them you upgraded my 7Bs if you won't. :lol:
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Hi
About 2-3 weeks
ok, that's the lead time per the Sales perspective, what about Operations?? :)
I am itching to receive my pair that I ordered a month ago.. :drool:
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ok, that's the lead time per the Sales perspective, what about Operations?? :)
I am itching to receive my pair that I ordered a month ago.. :drool:
We are running about 4 weeks on orders - sorry for the delay.
james
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James,
Sorry i was not more specific in my query on updating to the Cubed series. I know you said in previous posts the larger series would have to be re-certified, so they were a no go. Is the same now true for the 4B model?
Thanks again!
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James,
Sorry i was not more specific in my query on updating to the Cubed series. I know you said in previous posts the larger series would have to be re-certified, so they were a no go. Is the same now true for the 4B model?
Thanks again!
Hi
Yes sorry any upgrade has the same issue.
james
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Thanks James, and thanks for all the hard work trying to help those of us hoping to experience the new magic out.... despite all the efforts of regulators to the contrary!
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MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston 2.5B Cubed Review
June 2016
Hi Folks,
Please see the link below for a review on the new Bryston 2.5B Cubed amplifier.
The little amplifier that could:
Bryston 2.5B3
Built to last literally decades, the Bryston 2.5B3 stereo power amp sounds like a winner to the Audiophiliac.
http://www.cnet.com/news/the-little-amplifier-that-could-bryston-2-5b3/
James
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MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston 2.5B Cubed Review
June 2016
Hi Folks,
Please see the link below for a review on the new Bryston 2.5B Cubed amplifier.
The little amplifier that could:
Bryston 2.5B3
Built to last literally decades, the Bryston 2.5B3 stereo power amp sounds like a winner to the Audiophiliac.
http://www.cnet.com/news/the-little-amplifier-that-could-bryston-2-5b3/
James
Looks like they are using the OPPO headphone amp as a preamp. Is anyone else doing this and to what success are people having? I am slso considering doing this but haven't had time to test it out...also anyone care to chime in if it is worth the extra effort to go fully balanced? I would have to acquire some cables to connect my OPPO 105 directly to the Bryston 4B3 using variable volume output.
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MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston 2.5B Cubed Review
June 2016
Hi Folks,
Please see the link below for a review on the new Bryston 2.5B Cubed amplifier.
The little amplifier that could:
Bryston 2.5B3
Built to last literally decades, the Bryston 2.5B3 stereo power amp sounds like a winner to the Audiophiliac.
http://www.cnet.com/news/the-little-amplifier-that-could-bryston-2-5b3/
James
Glad to see a review for the 2.5B3. I plan to place the order for my new 2B this week. :thumb:
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Looks like they are using the OPPO headphone amp as a preamp. Is anyone else doing this and to what success are people having? I am slso considering doing this but haven't had time to test it out...also anyone care to chime in if it is worth the extra effort to go fully balanced? I would have to acquire some cables to connect my OPPO 105 directly to the Bryston 4B3 using variable volume output.
I think the interface on the Oppo HA-1 is fantastic, but sonically it's like an ice pick in my ear.
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I think the interface on the Oppo HA-1 is fantastic, but sonically it's like an ice pick in my ear.
I LOVE the image your description evokes! I do love Oppo's disc players, but I've never been interested in their audio quality.
It's too bad interface quality and sound quality seem to be inversely proportional (at least from a cell phone or tablet point of view... I rarely use a computer while sitting and listening).
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Hi Folks,
Email me if you want the PDF - jamestanner@bryston.com
July 2016
Hi Folks,
Please see PDF of a review on the new Bryston 14B Cubed amplifier from Australian Hi-Fi Magazine.
I have to say these Aussies do very in-depth reviews indeed!
Favourite Quote:
“Overall, the Bryston 14Bᶟ delivered superb performance on Newport Test Labs' test bench: indeed its one of the best-performing amplifiers I have ever evaluated-maybe even the outright best -with no weak spots anywhere in its performance.
It has incredibly high power output, incredibly low noise and distortion and a superbly flat and extended frequency response.
An amazing achievement by Bryston and a fitting memorial for the design talents of Dr Loan Alexandru Salomie.”
Steve Holding
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I couldn't be happier with the 2.5(3). It has oodles of power for what I need and I've never felt short. My listening tastes vary from heavy metal to heavier metal. I was thinking the 3 maybe the 4 but after I heard what this amp could do on its own I was sold.
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Hi Folks,
Another review regarding the new Bryston 14B Cubed amplifier!
http://www.magazine-audio.com/bryston-14b-sst3/
Favourite Quote:
“The Bryston 14B SST3 is the best experience I have had to date with a new product.
I tip my hat to engineers who have risen to the challenge of bringing a soul to their achievement,
one might almost say a strand of humanity, the sound is so emotional.”
James Tanner
Bryston Ltd.
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That really is a great quote!
An amp with a soul and "a strand of humanity". :lol:
They must be running out of adjectives. Or born-again Christians? :o
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(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=147213)
Hi James
Good morning,
The Bryston 2.5B Cubed amplifier has about 30 hours of use now.
I don’t recall another amplifier that sounded this good, this soon.
In fact, it is a pleasure to listen to, even at this point in the break-in process. I’ll reserve any final judgments until it has about 100 hours of use, but I have to tell you, somewhat amazed, that we’re off to a very good start!
All the best,
Jerry Seigel
Editor - 10 Audio
ears@10Audio.com
www.10Audio.com
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Magnepan and Bryston - quite the combo !
http://positive-feedback.com/reviews/hardware-reviews/part-2-magneplanar-1-7i-loudspeakers/
james
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Hi James,
Amps (7B Cubed) in the house!! Got them this afternoon.
Please find attached pictures and feel free to use them.
Amps are plugged directly to the wall. I am very impressed by the overall sound quality.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=147797)
Been listening to some Diana Krall, great SQ..
The Masquerade by George Benson sounds so good, especially the percussion, wow... Very first impressions..
Thx James
Aksel
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What is the retail price for integrated amp 135 cubed with and without internal DAC? Also, in terms of capability, does the internal DAC performs similar to BPA 2 or 3?
Thanks.
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MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston – Customer Feedback Bryston 28B’s
Mr. Tanner:
Recently purchased a pair of your 28B Cubed amplifiers. The 28B Cubed has remarkable timing accuracy. The same characteristic That reveals, previously unheard, tape "Blurbles" (immortal Solti "Ring of the Nielblung") also exposes seemingly "more" piano notes.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=147988)
This is the only power amp that I know of that does this. Certainly little thought is given to a DAC kind of digital specification for basic analogue signal amplification. The interesting thing is that, for L/C/R systems, it is vital that ALL three amps are Cubed otherwise the less precise center channel timing will muddy the common L/R information. This then is my explanation of why my recent change from the 28B Squared to the Cubed center amp (3rd 28B Cubed) was so pronounced. Not sure how this "Timing" thing is perceived with other equipment. Logic would predicate that, for Digital sources, the DAC in circuit would be dispositive. I use two of Daniel Weiss' DAC1 MK III (electronically equal to his HiEnd "Medus") for L/C/R. Interestingly, when upgrading from Weiss' excellent DAC 202 to the DAC1 MK III I noticed a similar but less pronounced phenomen.
FYI I have used your Cubed amps to replace monoblocked (edit). However, at the dawn of the, unannounced, Cubed release I verified that even the 28B Squared amps were a substantial upgrade from my (edit). The (edit) Monoblocked) has a special reputation in certain circles. It presently lists for something like $30,000. However it might be more fair to compare your 28B Cubed to (edit). The (edit) lists for $75-80,000! A stereo amp it uses 40 output devices and is a somewhat upgraded '90s design. It will do 600 WPC @ 4 ohms and something like 1950 watts when monoblocked into 4 ohms. Most people have never seen a (edit) (a Bar Refrigerator sized Chrome extravaganza) in the flesh. But the word is that it is no match, in stereo, for two monoblocked (edit). Therefore, the fair comparison to two 28B Cubed amps (for $22,000) would be two (edit) (for $150,000+).
So don't hide your light under a bushel-market the 28B Cubed as a successor to all those ultra snooty and expensive Class A tubes and $50K Solid State Flagship amps.
Sincerely, Bruce Bisenz
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Nice reviews. But James, how 'bout some real pictures of the 28 Cubes, now that they're in full circulation :wink:
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Ya we have to get some pics done - we are selling everyone we make so I am a little behind.
james
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Hi,
i picked up my 3B Cubed today.
i just laid down on my couch and had an intimate, private concert from Leonard Cohen, his band and back up singers. NAD M51 dac with RCA plugs into the amp, amp out to Linn Ninka speakers, played from my Mac iTunes library (cd burned onto computer, Leonard Cohen greatest hits ). i have never heard Cohen like this before. simply sublime. sublime. I had hoped for this, but did not expect such rich sound, nuance, detail, and clarity. and so musical.
My sincere respect to the Bryston team,
Chris
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Hi Folks,
Email me if you want the PDF - jamestanner@bryston.com
July 2016
Hi Folks,
Please see PDF of a review on the new Bryston 14B Cubed amplifier from Australian Hi-Fi Magazine.
I have to say these Aussies do very in-depth reviews indeed!
...
This review is available online now:
http://www.avhub.com.au/product-reviews/hi-fi/bryston-14b179-power-amplifier-review-test-431015 (http://www.avhub.com.au/product-reviews/hi-fi/bryston-14b179-power-amplifier-review-test-431015)
That review also links to this pdf version which includes the lab report:
http://i.nextmedia.com.au/Assets/AHF_Bryston14B3.pdf (http://i.nextmedia.com.au/Assets/AHF_Bryston14B3.pdf)
Anthony
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This review is available online now:
http://www.avhub.com.au/product-reviews/hi-fi/bryston-14b179-power-amplifier-review-test-431015 (http://www.avhub.com.au/product-reviews/hi-fi/bryston-14b179-power-amplifier-review-test-431015)
That review also links to this pdf version which includes the lab report:
http://i.nextmedia.com.au/Assets/AHF_Bryston14B3.pdf (http://i.nextmedia.com.au/Assets/AHF_Bryston14B3.pdf)
Anthony
Thanks Anthony - james
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Hi Folks,
Nice shot of some Bryston 7B Cubed amplifiers and 15 amp BIT isolation transformers from one of our US dealers demo room. :thumb:
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=148691)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=148692)
james
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Out of curiosity, is a bridged 4B3 equal or on par with a 7B3?
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Any thoughts on pairing the 4B cubed with a CAT SL 1 preamp? I'm shopping for a SS amp and this is one that I'm considering.
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Out of curiosity, is a bridged 4B3 equal or on par with a 7B3?
The Bryston stereo amps that can be bridged to mono will see the speaker load as half of the impedance - 8Ω loads look like 4Ω loads and 4Ω loads look like 2Ω loads.
That's why the 4B3 is only rated into 8Ω loads when bridged.
Also, I believe the 7B3 has more total power supply capacitance than the 4B3 (?)
Steve
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Any thoughts on pairing the 4B cubed with a CAT SL 1 preamp? I'm shopping for a SS amp and this is one that I'm considering.
I'm using the CAT SL-1 Renaissance pre-amp with 7BSST2's powering PMC fact12's. Source is BDA-1/BDP-1. Works very well. Now the question is whether to upgrade to 7B3 and BDA-3/BDP-2......
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Sneak Peak!
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=149373)
Hi Folks,
We have a review coming on the new Bryston 4B Cubed amplifier from Positive Feedback magazine coming soon!
I have not seen it yet but when the reviewer requests to purchase the review sample my assumption is he liked it!!!
james
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A safe assumption! 8)
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I'm using the CAT SL-1 Renaissance pre-amp with 7BSST2's powering PMC fact12's. Source is BDA-1/BDP-1. Works very well. Now the question is whether to upgrade to 7B3 and BDA-3/BDP-2......
Thanks now25. It's good to hear from someone who's actually using a Bryston/CAT combo.
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i see a B3 amp in my future...
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ANOTHER glowing review
http://positive-feedback.com/reviews/hardware-reviews/bryston-limited-4b%C2%B3-stereo-power-amplifier/
(forgive me if this is a repeat)
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Not a repeat:
Hi Folks,
Please see the attached link to a review on our new 4B Cubed amplifier from Positive Feedback Magazine.
Favourite Quote:
Parting Thoughts
The sonic advances achieved with the new input stage have resulted in a singularity of sorts. This damn thing has perhaps the sweetest, purest top end I have ever encountered in a solid state amp at anywhere near the price (and way beyond), and a tonal finesse that rivals a fine modern tube amp, especially from the mid-bass and into the lower treble. Coupled with the amp's iron-fisted bass range and superbly low noise floor—a combination which allows micro and macro dynamic nuances to shine unimpeded—and you have one helluva performer.
http://positive-feedback.com/reviews/hardware-reviews/bryston-limited-4b³-stereo-power-amplifier/
james
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^ Thumbs up on this reviewers' concise description. Although I don't own a cubie, I have the 14B2 (and the 4B2 before that). I also found these amps to be unusually smooth at the top, and blistering at the bottom end -- unlike most SS amps, which can sound harsh, digital, and edgy. They really do sound tube-like, but in the best possible sense of the term. And that's with all musical genres that I listen to.
:thumb:
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My fav quote is
"the Bryston controls these power hungry panels with all the force and vigor of a matronly grandmother prepared to slap silly any of her rambunctious, ill-mannered, red-headed grand kids. "
Life does imitate art! :green:
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My fav quote is
"the Bryston controls these power hungry panels with all the force and vigor of a matronly grandmother prepared to slap silly any of her rambunctious, ill-mannered, red-headed grand kids. "
Life does imitate art! :green:
good 1! hell, that whole review is awesome!
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Here is a link to The Ear review of the 4B3 amplifier
http://www.the-ear.net/review-hardware/bryston-4b3-power-amplifier.
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Another review of the Cube amps. Here is the link to 10 Audio's review of 2.5Cubed:
http://www.10audio.com
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As of 9/30, their review is still in progress (i.e. incomplete - but coming soon, they say).
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no problem...thanks for posting!!! 8)
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Hi Folks,
The 2,5B Cubed review is up now:
http://www.10audio.com/bryston_2.5b3.htm
james
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Hi Folks,
The 2,5B Cubed review is up now:
http://www.10audio.com/bryston_2.5b3.htm
james
Congratulations on a fantastic review! :thumb:
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MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston 14B Cubed Amplifier of the Year!
Hi Folks,
I am very please to announce that the Bryston 14B Cubed Amplifier has received an amplifier of the year award from ‘down under’
AMPLIFIER OF THE YEAR AWARD FOR 2017
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=152330)
Unlike many awards, there is no entry fee or submission process for the Sound+Image Awards.
Winners are chosen entirely on merit from the products reviewed in the previous year in
Sound+Image, Australian Hi-Fi, Australian Incar, Audio Esoterica, Best Buys Audio & AV.
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(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=152331)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=152332)
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MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston 14B Cubed Amplifier of the Year!
Hi Folks,
I am very please to announce that the Bryston 14B Cubed Amplifier has received an amplifier of the year award from ‘down under’
AMPLIFIER OF THE YEAR AWARD FOR 2017
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=152330)
Unlike many awards, there is no entry fee or submission process for the Sound+Image Awards.
Winners are chosen entirely on merit from the products reviewed in the previous year in
Sound+Image, Australian Hi-Fi, Australian Incar, Audio Esoterica, Best Buys Audio & AV.
Congrats James and Bryston -- overdue but deserving (if my 14B-SST2 is any indication! :scratch:).
...does this mean the price is increasing on the 14B3? :green:
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Hello James,
and another excellent polish review of 4B3 (BP26 also by the way) . High Fidelity:
http://highfidelity.pl/@main-2863&lang=
Best regards
Robert Fijałkowski
MJ AUDIO LAB
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James,
any news on 9B Cubed? I am planning on upgrading my Processor to SP-Cubed (pun intended) and would love to have my Amps to match the processor.
thanks
Cm.
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James,
any news on 9B Cubed? I am planning on upgrading my Processor to SP-Cubed (pun intended) and would love to have my Amps to match the processor.
thanks
Cm.
Hi
Still about 6 months out.
james
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Hi Folks,
28B Cubed review:
http://www.audio-activity.com/bryston-28bsup3-en.html
james
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Hi
Still about 6 months out.
james
Thank you James.
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On what serial number does the 3 start on the B135 integrated?
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Hi Folks,
28B Cubed review:
http://www.audio-activity.com/bryston-28bsup3-en.html
james
Congrats for this stellar review!
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On what serial number does the 3 start on the B135 integrated?
Are there any images of the new B135-3 integrated? Bryston's website doesn't show any of them...
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I heard the internal changed to version 3 before the new front came, thats why I ask.
Want to upgrade the office stereo :thumb:
And will I hear difference if I change amp from 4B SST2 to the 3 in my main system?
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And will I hear difference if I change amp from 4B SST2 to the 3 in my main system?
I upgraded my main system amp to the cubed from the squared this summer and really like the sound. There is definite improvement in sound quality especially mids and highs. You will hear the difference. You should try to demo.
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HI James, sometime back you mentioned about an upgrade kits for folks with SST2 on selected models to the cube internally while retaining the old faceplate. Any news yet? Thxs~
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HI James, sometime back you mentioned about an upgrade kits for folks with SST2 on selected models to the cube internally while retaining the old faceplate. Any news yet? Thxs~
HI
It does not look like it will be possible. The safety and electrical certification bureaucracy will not let us modify existing products unless we submit them for testing - which is financially not reasonable.
james
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Hi Folks,
Review (PDF) from 'down under' on our new 14B Cubed amplifier.
http://stereo.net.au/images/uploads/StereoNET-Bryston%2014B3%20Amplifier-Review.pdf
james
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MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: TAVES - Bryston Demo – 2B Cubed
November 2016
Good Afternoon Mr. Tanner
I stopped by the Bryston room at TAVES a couple of weeks ago and thoroughly enjoyed the sound of Stevie Ray Vaughn's "Tin Pan Alley" that was playing - the system that you had set up was excellent and I was very impressed.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=154170)
I wanted to tell you about the new 2.5B3 that day but it had not arrived at that time so you gave me your card and here I am.
I have been listening to the amp now for about a week and a half and the first words that we uttered after settling in to listen to this little beauty is ... WOW!
The bass is deeper and more detailed layers of bass are revealed. The soundstage is big and so 3 dimensional! Gorgeous front to back details and imaging. This is the best amp that I have had in my system to run so easily and so sonically and I am very pleased.
Congratulations on a great product from a happy customer in Ingersoll!
Regards,
Tom Ingram
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Well after painstaking research i decided to upgrade my 4B st to the cube series i can't wait for it to arrive. :)
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James....what's the current wait time for a 4b3, 17" black?
Thanx
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James....what's the current wait time for a 4b3, 17" black?
Thanx
Hi Bud
It will depend on colour and size but about 2-3 weeks from order.
james
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http://www.stereo.net.au/reviews/bryston-14b3-stereo-power-amplifier-review
james
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Hi James,
Do you have any plans to build a one box 6 channel amplifier solution for the upcoming active crossover for the model T . S Possibly even a mix of different power outputs for the various channels!
Thx
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Hi James,
Do you have any plans to build a one box 6 channel amplifier solution for the upcoming active crossover for the model T . S Possibly even a mix of different power outputs for the various channels!
Thx
I am thinking custom 3 channel amps for the Model T.
james
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I am thinking custom 3 channel amps for the Model T.
james
:thumb:
Something like a 6B with different outputs per channel? I like the the 4B/7B chassis size, but I have a feeling that you're thinking bigger power for the woofers that would need the 14B/28B chassis size :lol:
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Something like a 6B with different outputs per channel? I like the the 4B/7B chassis size, but I have a feeling that you're thinking bigger power for the woofers that would need the 14B/28B chassis size :lol:
Yes I am thinking a 14B size with one side being the 14B and the other side two 4B modules.
When we do the Middle T we could use a smaller version.
james
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Yes I am thinking a 14B size with one side being the 14B and the other side two 4B modules.
Aha. A custom 14B makes a lot of sense
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Thanks James,
I was thinking a 4B,3B,2B configuration as I currently use a single 4BSST2 with no power issues. I think this configuration would still provide more power than present and keep costs down!
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Thanks James,
I was thinking a 4B,3B,2B configuration as I currently use a single 4BSST2 with no power issues. I think this configuration would still provide more power than present and keep costs down!
Hi
Due to the impedance of the different drivers the 600/300/300 works the best with the Model T's due to equal power delivery to each set of drivers.
james
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I noticed how you just snuck that Middle T teaser in ...
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I noticed how you just snuck that Middle T teaser in ...
Hi
Yes - I am thinking if this works I would add the Middle T in an active version as well.
james
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Just picked up my 4B3, sorry if the following has already been asked:
Which gain should be used with the SP3, 29db or 23db, I!m running all balanced ?
Thanks!
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Just picked up my 4B3, sorry if the following has already been asked:
Which gain should be used with the SP3, 29db or 23db, I!m running all balanced ?
Thanks!
i like 29
james
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Thanks James,
I was thinking a 4B,3B,2B configuration as I currently use a single 4BSST2 with no power issues. I think this configuration would still provide more power than present and keep costs down!
I've done something very similar to this actually. I had a 2B on horns, 3B on woofer, and 4B on a sub.
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MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: 28B Cubed Amplifiers Dealer Feedback
December 2016
Hi James
First, let me say that I am not someone to gush about new audio equipment; god knows I have had my share of gear.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=154408)
We just got done installing the new Bryston 28B Cubed amps, and fired them up. Cold out of the box, they are freaking Amazing!
I mean they made my R1's sound like I have never heard before. They have so much authority, depth, finesse, dynamics, bass (like I never heard; 2nd time I said that) and imaging; I could just ramble on!
This is truly an anomaly in the audio industry, where an amplifier that retails at this price runs circles around it's competition.
James and Crew;
Kudo's for creating some of the finest electronics on the planet, at any price! The 28B Cubed amps are Astonishingly Good, run don't walk to your nearest dealer and hear them for yourself!
So much more to come; frankly, I am still stunned!
Ivan
P.S. - I just sold a pair of them from my very first demo! ;)
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I don't own a cubie, but I will say this.
There are 3 Brystons in my system that are there for life.
14B-squared. BDA-1. BDP-1.
:thumb:
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Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2016 12:08 PM
HI James:
Nice review in the Absolute Sound magazine on the Bryston BP26 preamp and 14B Cubed amplifier – just got my copy today
It’s as nice as the magazine could publish given their predilection to love $100K + equipment, crazy cables and “accessories”
Again great review from AS, and a great Stereophile review on the BDA-3 DAC as well.
Quite a year for Bryston with new product introductions and favorable press all around (I don’t think there was one bad review all year.
Seems like a “pivotal year” in the history of the company
Best and Happy Holidays
John Ho
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Hi, is that review online?
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Hi, is that review online?
Hi Grant
I have not seen a copy yet other than John above was kind enough to send me some pics of the article.
james
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Hi James,
Thanks for your reply. Have a nice Sunday!
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7B cubed sleeping ? is there a plan for 7b cubed review noticed multiple reviews on 4b , 14b ect. not sure why.
The final tweeks to 7b square was great would like to see some on new 7b cube
I do have pair 7b cubed they seem bass shy VS 7b square (sold) hard to compare
The mids and highs seem very good.
Thanks Shayne
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Here is a link to the Audio Activity Review of the 28B3: http://www.audio-activity.com/bryston-28bsup3-en.html
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Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2016 12:08 PM
HI James:
Nice review in the Absolute Sound magazine on the Bryston BP26 preamp and 14B Cubed amplifier – just got my copy today
It’s as nice as the magazine could publish given their predilection to love $100K + equipment, crazy cables and “accessories”
Again great review from AS, and a great Stereophile review on the BDA-3 DAC as well.
Quite a year for Bryston with new product introductions and favorable press all around (I don’t think there was one bad review all year.
Seems like a “pivotal year” in the history of the company
Best and Happy Holidays
John Ho
I read the review in TAS. I don't find the reviewer is doing a serious review. I went from a pair of 7B-SST² to a Hegel H30 2 yrs ago. And in September, after I have sold the H30 this past summer, I bought a pair of 7B Cube.
In his review, he is saying that the 7B are inferior to the H30. Well, after going from the H30 (amp I used for 2 yrs) to the new 7B Cube, I don't think the 7B is left in the dark by the H30, far from it. The high frequencies are way smoother with the Bryston. The strong point of the Hegel H30 is the midrange and maybe a deeper soundstage. I also find the 7B being more details (or better separation of instruments).
Lets put it this way, both amplifiers are great, just happen the 7B are about $5000 less than a stereo H30.
The reason I sold the H30, I had to go to mono bloc if I wanted to keep my speakers cables (Cardas Clear Beyond). I moved to a new house this summer and the listening room is wider.
I wish he would have use the Bryston linestage with the Gamut or the Ayre with the7B.
You need to compare apple with apple. I just find the review is not at the same level than other reviews they do in that magazine. I see a reviewer with a bit of attitude, or call it a bit of audio snobbery from his part.
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I read the review in TAS. I don't find the reviewer is doing a serious review. I went from a pair of 7B-SST² to a Hegel H30 2 yrs ago. And in September, after I have sold the H30 this past summer, I bought a pair of 7B Cube.
In his review, he is saying that the 7B are inferior to the H30. Well, after going from the H30 (amp I used for 2 yrs) to the new 7B Cube, I don't think the 7B is left in the dark by the H30, far from it. The high frequencies are way smoother with the Bryston. The strong point of the Hegel H30 is the midrange and maybe a deeper soundstage. I also find the 7B being more details (or better separation of instruments).
Lets put it this way, both amplifiers are great, just happen the 7B are about $5000 less than a stereo H30.
The reason I sold the H30, I had to go to mono bloc if I wanted to keep my speakers cables (Cardas Clear Beyond). I moved to a new house this summer and the listening room is wider.
I wish he would have use the Bryston linestage with the Gamut or the Ayre with the7B.
You need to compare apple with apple. I just find the review is not at the same level than other reviews they do in that magazine. I see a reviewer with a bit of attitude, or call it a bit of audio snobbery from his part.
Hi
Yes we were discussing at Bryston how comparative reviews are sometimes problematic as most people will defend what they already own and most still equate price with performance.
But I told my partners that I hope most customers recognize bias when they encounter it.
james
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Hi
Yes we were discussing at Bryston how comparative reviews are sometimes problematic as most people will defend what they already own and most still equate price with performance.
But I told my partners that I hope most customers recognize bias when they encounter it.
james
Additionally personal preference has an influence on what you prefer. I have personal experience here: I replaced my 7B SST amps with a Simaudio Moon W8. The W8 is a very well reviewed amplifier and it's US pricing was about 20% more than than two 7BSSTs. The Moon is an excellent amplifier and many people prefer it's sound over the Bryston's. However I'm not one of them. For me Bryston 7B SST sounds a lot better ( than the W8). I really think that before you buy you need to put aside quite a lot of time and listen to both Amps together. I did this, but the shop environment wan't great, and I didn't spend enough time, so the comparison was very difficult. Trying new equipment at home is a fantastic idea if you can do it. In the end reviews and awards are only part of the picture. You really need to go and listen to the amplifier.
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The other factor is what happens when things go south and you need to send it back. If in Canada it could cost a fortune to send an amp to the US for service so that can also tilt your decision to Bryston. Also since the warranty exceeds any other amplifier manufacture i can think of and the fact i bought my 4b st new in 1994 and never had to remove a cover sealed the deal for my new 4B cubed coming =-)). Further I have a BP 20 I also bought at the same time with zero problems however i may do a cap replace/upgrade on that still in research mode on that. I saw the inside of that amp for the first time in 23 years and i might add I didn't have to it works perfectly! Cheers Bryston, you make fantastic gear!
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James,
To change the LED color on a cubed 7B, from green to blue.
There is a jumper on the inside front to do that, correct.
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James,
To change the LED color on a cubed 7B, from green to blue.
There is a jumper on the inside front to do that, correct.
Hi
I think so but check with Mike. mpickett@bryston.com
james
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Bryston 2.5B Cubed Review.
http://www.10audio.com/bryston_2.5b3.htm
james
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HI
Bryston 28B Cubed Amplifiers:
I received mine on the 28th and they've been running non-stop ever since. I had my Kef Reference 5's running off of a 4B3 for the last 5 months. I've now bridged that to run my center.
The 4B3 is a fantastic amp, but the 28B3s are in another league. The soundstage is so deep and wide, the level of detail is simply remarkable.
phishphan
Senior Member
Location: Minnetrista, MN
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I received my 4b cubed just before Chrismas (it replaced my 4b st) and all I can say is wow what a huge improvement. One surprise was the bass I thought the 4b st did a nice job but the cube made my Theils come to life very nicely controlled. Improvements in micro detail, resolution and the air around instruments is riveting! One improvement I was expecting and was not disapointed was the top end I was toying with the idea of a speaker change because the Theils are very '"revealing" but the new amp has made them sound fantastic ! The Theils are demanding and my 4b st was quite easily clipped it seamed the speakers had control of the amp now it is the opposite. I need to be careful now because the clipping used to force me to turn it down. Cheers Byston on yet another very well engineered product!
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Hi Folks,
Our friends at Fidelity Online in Germany have written a lovely characterization of our new 4B³ for your perusal including some truly stunning pictures.
Hopefully it's enough for you to be inspired to hear one for yourself!
LINK: https://www.fidelity-magazin.de/2017/01/10/spotlight-bryston-4b-sst%C2%B3/
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James, is it possible to use the Qubed technology in preamps? If so are you planning to do that?
Best regards Raimo.
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James, is it possible to use the Qubed technology in preamps? If so are you planning to do that?
Best regards Raimo.
Hi Raimo
We are looking at that option but so far no immediate plans.
James
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Hi Raimo
We are looking at that option but so far no immediate plans.
James
sounds good. by the way, would it be ok to use the bp6 with the 14b3 amp?
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sounds good. by the way, would it be ok to use the bp6 with the 14b3 amp?
Sure - no issues there.
james
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Sure - no issues there.
james
ok, sounds good. 8)
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HI Folks,
Another superb review from Germany on our new 4B Cubed amplifier - see attached PDF.
Again my thanks to Peter Ullman for the English translation.
james
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=156465)
PS: - Favourite Quote:
"All that said, is the Bryston 4B3 amplifier the best 4B amplifier of all times?
Yes, it is that without a doubt according to my opinion! Above and beyond that it is one of the best power amplifiers that one can purchase for love or money.
The next 40 years can arrive!"
Email me if you want the PDF - jamestanner@bryston.com
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OK found this:
Bryston Cubed Differences
I can explain the differences and the thinking behind the 3 or Cubed Series amps, but it's a bit complex and long-winded, sorry:
A few years ago, we had a review in a Swedish magazine that pronounced the 14B SST2 to be 'perfect'. That was not based on 'he liked it'; it had nothing to do with auditory preference, it had to do with transparency. The reviewer had and still has a setup where he can literally 'bypass' an amplifier to drop it out of the signal path, (dummy speaker load, gain-reduction L-pad, leading to a second amplifier to the speakers). The 14B SST2 turned out to be impossible to detect in the signal path, on any signal they tried, from simple guitar music to full orchestra ffff, to an electronic metronome with instant rise time and no overshoot. And it was the first audio device in his history to do so.
That does not mean the amplifier is actually 'perfect', of course. It just means that it is not contributing, (or subtracting), anything the ear can detect, to or from the signal path in an otherwise exemplary system.
From that result and many others of our own, we concluded that static distortion measurements do not tell the whole story. It would seem that if static THD and IMD are low enough, 0.001% or -100dB, they cease to be relevant factors in the transparency of the device. More important are time smear, deviations in frequency-response, dynamic distortions, noise within the device or from RF interference, etc.
Thus we did not introduce our new 'Salomie' input stage (which we received a patent on) simply to reduce static distortion. Our newest 'Cubed Series' amplifiers do have lower THD and IMD than the 'Squared Series' that preceded them, but not significantly so. They measure out at about 0.001% or a bit below, over almost the entire frequency band. However, and we consider this to be most important, they are quieter and more musically accurate in a number of ways; First, the 20-20K noise is reduced, but the new input stage has far better PSRR, or power-supply rejection ratio. This means hash on the power-supply is rejected, in this case by more than 140dB. The input stage also has much better CMRR, or common-mode rejection. That means it rejects noise coming in on the signal cable much more completely than before. These are dynamic issues that can show up in a real-world system completely apart from static THD and IMD.
In addition to the above, the new Cubed Series employs highly effective RF rejection in the power supplies, which traps and eliminates radio-frequency hash from either interfering with or emanating from the amplifier via the power cable or signal cables.
The audible improvements we realized with these approaches are rather subtle. They would have to be with amps that started out 'perfect' in at least one reviewer's description, but they show up from very low listening levels, almost whisper-quiet, where the silences are more inky-black than before. It's almost an unconscious realization. They amps also cope better with dirt and hash of all kinds on the power cord, from distorted 60Hz Voltage to RF. Thus the quiet middle-of-the-night listening is even more relaxing and emotionally accessible. The depth of the soundstage and the precision of instrument placement is closer to reality than ever before.
Of course, that's what it really boils down to; recreating the original musical experience in your home. The 'you are there' feeling. It's what we have been pursuing from day one, and are still focused on. The Cubed Series is closer than ever.
Hallo James, do you use this bypass listening before you approve a new amplifier design?
I am a customer to the "Swedish reviewer" he makes exellent loudspeakers in a wery small scale and he designs studios and home cinema rooms.
His review made me buy a 4Bsst 10 years ago and i am currently waiting for my new 4B3.
I use his speakers and built my room after his drawings.
The result is superb!
Best regards Raimo.
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Hi Raimo
Greetings! - glad you are enjoying your system!
Yes I try to use the bypass concept as well as double blind testing.
Please let me know what you think of the 4B Cubed when you get things setup.
james
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Hi Raimo
Greetings! - glad you are enjoying your system!
Yes I try to use the bypass concept as well as double blind testing.
Please let me know what you think of the 4B Cubed when you get things setup.
james
Hi James.
I will come back with my thoughts, it will probably arrive next week, i ordered a BDA3 as well but that will take maby 3-4 weeks.
I currently have a BDA1, i can comment on it too.
Is it a bad idea to bridge the 4B3 in to a 4ohm speaker? My speakers are a kind load and do not play bass under 80Hz.
If i want more power in the future.
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Hi James, i got my 4B3 a week ago. It sounds superb, much clearer yet sweeter sounding than my 4BSST.
It is a rare combination in electronics, normally when something sounds clearer it often sounds more harsh.
My 4BSST replaced a Rotel RB1080 in my bass system. Now the bass is clearer than before, it is easier to hear the individual bass instruments. Not a small upgrade in total, very happy with my new system.
I am still waiting for my BDA3, looking forward to hear it. I hope it will give the same kind of improvement as the amps.
I will come back when i have it in my system.
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Hi James, i got my 4B3 a week ago. It sounds superb, much clearer yet sweeter sounding than my 4BSST.
It is a rare combination in electronics, normally when something sounds clearer it often sounds more harsh.
My 4BSST replaced a Rotel RB1080 in my bass system. Now the bass is clearer than before, it is easier to hear the individual bass instruments. Not a small upgrade in total, very happy with my new system.
I am still waiting for my BDA3, looking forward to hear it. I hope it will give the same kind of improvement as the amps.
I will come back when i have it in my system.
Great to hear - ENJOY :thumb:
james
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Hi, now i have some more time with my Bryston stuff. The last comment was mostly after i just got going and still was adjusting my
electronic crossover. I have a little different type of bass woofers, it is 6 10" in small sealed enclosuers. It gives the same auocustic output as 2 woofers in bigger vented boxes. To get the lower bass you have to install a infra boost circuit in the crossover and adjust the system.
After a few days i listened to the end result and was blown avay :o.
It is amazing what a difference a good bass amp makes! It opened up the total sound space in a unbelievable way!
It is not only the bass but all the way up, everything gets crystal clear in a amazing big sound space!
I was hoping for improvements but did not expect this much.
I am even more happy with the amps now :P.
Thanks to all you at Bryston for making such quality products :thumb:.
Here is a link to Swedish Audio forum with my audio room project, it is in Swedish but there are a lot of pictures that anybody can follow.
http://www.faktiskt.se/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=62713
It is a little about my past systems and general house improvement too.
Best Regards Raimo.
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^ @ Raimo, did you get to go to hear The Boss in Sweden? Very cool.
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^ @ Raimo, did you get to go to hear The Boss in Sweden? Very cool.
:thumb:
Yes, i was at Ullevi stadion in Gothenburg in 85 i think it was.
It was avsome, and the sound was too. Normally i am not a big fan of big concerts, i prefer small more intimate sessions.
But that concert is the best one i have been too :P.
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Yes, i was at Ullevi stadion in Gothenburg in 85 i think it was.
It was avsome, and the sound was too. Normally i am not a big fan of big concerts, i prefer small more intimate sessions.
But that concert is the best one i have been too :P.
The Boss sure puts on a good show.
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James,
What is the status for the 6B and 9B SST3 models? Will they be available soon?
And will there more options to consider with these new amplifiers?....
Luigi
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James,
What is the status for the 6B and 9B SST3 models? Will they be available soon?
And will there more options to consider with these new amplifiers?....
Luigi
Hi Luigi
The 9B is being worked on now and I would say about 3 months - the 6B still a good year out.
Options would be the standard colour and size faceplates.
james
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Hi James,
And "wow", I was expecting both the 6B and 9B early this year. Is the new design difficult to design into these multi-channel amplifiers?
Luigi
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Hi James,
And "wow", I was expecting both the 6B and 9B early this year. Is the new design difficult to design into these multi-channel amplifiers?
Luigi
Hi Luigi
Not all that difficult but engineering time has to be set aside and so far this year we have been up to our ears in other projects.
james
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Hey James,
You got me curious for the new Bryston projects for 2017, any clues to what we can expect? :thumb:
Luigi
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Maybe BDP3 :D
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Hey James,
You got me curious for the new Bryston projects for 2017, any clues to what we can expect? :thumb:
Luigi
HI
The new digital active crossover for the Model T and Middle T . A 3 channel amplifier for the active system, a combination preamp with BDA3 and BP26 in one chassis. The Model T REX loudspeaker. Chris is looking at faster circuit boards for the BDP's and working on better software etc.
james
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Whew! Santa's workshop is a busy place.
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HI
a combination preamp with BDA3 and BP25 in one chassis. Chris is looking at faster circuit boards for the BDP's and working on better software etc.
james
James,
The combo will be very interesting -- why not BP26? I'm guessing BP25 would negate need for an MPS external?
Also, I would love to "update" my BDP-1 board to one that's faster-loading for my external USB drives. Possible?
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James,
The combo will be very interesting -- why not BP26? I'm guessing BP25 would negate need for an MPS external?
Also, I would love to "update" my BDP-1 board to one that's faster-loading for my external USB drives. Possible?
Sorry meant BP26
james
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James,
The combo will be very interesting -- why not BP26? I'm guessing BP25 would negate need for an MPS external?
Also, I would love to "update" my BDP-1 board to one that's faster-loading for my external USB drives. Possible?
No sorry the BDP 2 could possibly be updated to newer boards but I do not think the BDP-1 can due to power supply issues and such.
james
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A new version of BDP2 will be very interesting... maybe able to read native DSD to pair with BDA3 :thumb:
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...good news, James :thumb: i guess the 26/BDA-3 combo will be a hit!! and i would say that an integrated amp with new digital inputs is something that Bryston should do as well :D :D
al.
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Hi Bryston,
I just wanted to tell you how much I'm enjoying my new 3B Cubed (number 000005 so I guess it may have one of the first shipped to the UK?). It replaces a 3B ST, which I bought second-hand ten years ago and which gave great service. But the 3B Cubed is simply light years ahead in performance - and it looks as good as it sounds.
Highly recommended!
And here's a great review in Dutch hi-fi mag Alpha-Audio that you haven't got listed in your review section: https://www.alpha-audio.nl/2016/05/review-bryston-3b-sst3/
Regards,
Martin Herrema, Kent, UK
Martin Herrema
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Like the add in Report on Business
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=158372)
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MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Superb Review on Bryston 7B Cubed
March, 2017
Hi Folks,
Excellent review on the Bryston 7B Cubed amplifiers (in English) from “Audio Activity Magazine” in Italy.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=158513)
Please click on link:
http://www.audio-activity.com/bryston-7bsup3-en.html
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MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Superb Review on Bryston 7B Cubed
March, 2017
Hi Folks,
Excellent review on the Bryston 7B Cubed amplifiers (in English) from “Audio Activity Magazine” in Italy.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=158513)
Please click on link:
http://www.audio-activity.com/bryston-7bsup3-en.html
Congratulations James! I personally know the reviewer and he's one of the best and more serious in Italy! So you can be very proud of your products -:)
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Here is the link to their 28B3 review (in English). I have these amplifiers and agree with their assessment.
http://www.audio-activity.com/bryston-28bsup3-en.html
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My 4b3 is finally here, I was a little worried that it may not keep up to my trusty old 14bst. Boy was I wrong...everything is just so much better, even the bass. I've owned allot of Bryston amps over the last 25 years from the original 4b right up to the 28bs.
IMO the 4b3 is the best bang for the buck...my Model Ts are happy again and hopefully my new Mini Ts will be just as happy when they arrive this week.
Thanks Bryston
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My 4b3 is finally here, I was a little worried that it may not keep up to my trusty old 14bst. Boy was I wrong...everything is just so much better, even the bass. I've owned allot of Bryston amps over the last 25 years from the original 4b right up to the 28bs.
IMO the 4b3 is the best bang for the buck...my Model Ts are happy again and hopefully my new Mini Ts will be just as happy when they arrive this week.
Thanks Bryston
ENJOY !!!
james
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What are the groups thoughts on whether upgrading from a b135sst2 to a 4b3 would be a noticeable upgrade? Maybe worthwhile is a better way to put it. I have Bryaton twenty3 speakers and play at moderate to low volumes.
Cheers!
Ps if yes, what preamp would be fine given there's always a budget in mind?
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Hi James
We have arranged for some reviews in Dutch media, would you place links on the Bryston Website please?
Alpha-Audio.nl:
Quote: "Bryston 4B Cubed is the new reference"
https://www.alpha-audio.nl/2016/10/review-bryston-4b3-de-nieuwe-referentie/
Alpha-Audio.nl:
Quote "The Bryston BDP-2 is sonically top of the bill when it comes to neutrality, transparency and fidelity. The latest "Manic Moose" firmware updates leave little to be desired and Roon compatibility is a valuable addition. In the next updates we would welcome a more intuitive and user friendly user interface. Then this outstanding sounding player will at once become more attractive to a larger audience".
https://www.alpha-audio.nl/2016/07/review-bryston-bdp-2-digital-player/
Music Emotion:
Quote: The new Cubed series demonstrates that high power amps can sound subtle, refined, and detailed. The pre-amp (BP26/MPS-2) delivers excellent performance and the same goes for the BDP-2 and BDA-3.
https://www.hifi.nl/artikel/25304/Review-Bryston-Cubed-Series.html
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New Bryston 7B3 Amplifier Review
I am an old music lover, and I recently exchanged my Bryston 7BSST2 amplifiers for the new Bryston 7B3 amplifiers. The rest of my system consists of a Bryston BP 26 preamp, QUAD 2905 ESL speakers, and a Cambridge Azur 840C CD player.
Was the difference between the amplifiers noticeable even for someone with my “elderly” hearing? Yes, definitely it was, in fact immediately.
First of all the soundstage became wider and somehow more “filled out.” Furthermore the overall presentation sounds “smoother”, i.e. possibly what some people might consider more tube like.
But what is most interesting and noteworthy, is how much better the new Bryston 7B3 amplifiers complement the electrostatic QUAD ESL 2905 speakers. There is a “Liquidity” in the sound presentation which was not present with the older model Bryston amplifiers.
Furthermore with this 7B3 amplifier combination voices, both classical (operatic) and popular, sound clearer and more lifelike with a better presentation of being in the area with the listener.
Additionally all of the B3 amplifiers are now available with blue LEDs, which may not be important for everyone, but I believe that the difference between the blue lights and a possible overload with the red lights is much easier to notice than the previous green vs. red, even though I know that that combination is still available.
Peter
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James,
Does the gain switch really change the gain of the amplifier or is it just a 6dB input attenuator?
In the Cubed brochure it's mentioned that the new input stage provides the first 6dB of gain; could you tell if the gain switch on the back handles these first 6dB provided by the input stage, turning it into a unity gain buffer when you switch the gain from 29dB to 23dB? Or is the switch controling the gain at a later point in the overall circuit of the amplifier?
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HI
The new digital active crossover for the Model T and Middle T . A 3 channel amplifier for the active system, a combination preamp with BDA3 and BP26 in one chassis. The Model T REX loudspeaker. Chris is looking at faster circuit boards for the BDP's and working on better software etc.
james
Hi James just ordered my 4b3 (Greece) what are your plans and when should we expect BP26 BDA3 one chassis. Thanks
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Hi James just ordered my 4b3 (Greece) what are your plans and when should we expect BP26 BDA3 one chassis. Thanks
HA! :lol: - that would be one powerful integrated aye !
james
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HA! :lol: - that would be one powerful integrated aye !
james
I thought you had plans for one chassis bda3 bp26 like you mentioned
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I thought you had plans for one chassis bda3 bp26 like you mentioned
Crap! - I have to learn how to read !!!! :duh:
I thought you were asking about a BP-26 and a 4B.
Yes we are looking at a new preamp that would integrate the BP26 preamp with the BAD3 DAC but that is a least a year or more out.
james
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MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: High Praise For Our 3B Cubed
April, 2017
James
“ I had the little 3BSST3 in the store on the Magico M3's last month.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=161163)
WOW!!
I honestly wasn't expecting what I heard.
Tight bass, Sweet top end. I kept standing over it saying "where the hell is all that power coming from?
Not the new SST3, but I've owned the 9BSST2 FOREVER.
No wonder there is a 20 year warranty. It's built like a tank.”
Mike
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=161164)
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Hi James.
I'm doing some home audition with your 4B3 amp for last couple of days. Let me tell you I never been a fan of Solid State at all. I owned/tried so many SS amp and gave up few years ago and been only own the tube amplification since.
However this 4B3 amp just open up the whole new world to me. I just can't believe the depth , 3D presentation and how smooth it is without losing any details and high without being harsh. I'm so impressed with it and wondering about the 28B3 amps.
Thanks,
Paul
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Hi James
Just a note:
I have compared the new Bryston 7B Cubed with the older 7B SST2 (as well as all the other Cubed amplifiers)
No competition James.
I think this is the biggest improvement in Bryston amplifier performance in the 24 years we have known each other.
Peter Thomas
Managing Director
PMC SPEAKERS
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James,
What is the current wait times on new orders of 7b3's and 4b3's
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James,
What is the current wait times on new orders of 7b3's and 4b3's
Hi
I would say -2-3 weeks depending on colour and size.
james
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I've got some money and am trying to decide if I should sell my 7BSST2 and get the 7BSST3.
Or maybe I should replace my Benchmark DAC2 HDR with the BDA3?
Which do you think would be a better move?
I'd especially like to hear from James if he is willing to advise.
-- Sanjay
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I've got some money and am trying to decide if I should sell my 7BSST2 and get the 7BSST3.
Or maybe I should replace my Benchmark DAC2 HDR with the BDA3?
Which do you think would be a better move?
I'd especially like to hear from James if he is willing to advise.
-- Sanjay
Hi Sanjay
What is the rest on the system?
james
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hi Sanjay
Nice position to be in. 8)
From what i've been reading about the new Cube series, I'd definitely lean towards the new 7B3's over a new DAC - unless HDMI connectivity is important to you. The Benchmark 2 seems like pretty good DAC. I bet the 7B3's would make that baby sing.
Good luck!
TJ
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Hi Sanjay
What is the rest on the system?
james
It's a dual duty (Music and Movies) dedicated room in our new house (well, it's two years old now).
I have Magnepan 3.7i in the front with the CCR.
I have Magnepan 1.7s for surround duty.
Of course the 7BSST2 driving the 3.7i.
Two REL subs (10") (I forget the model # hooked up to the 7BSST2)
I have the Anthem MRX-510 for the center channel and surrounds.
ARC LS27 preamp
Oppo 103D
Bluesound Node.
Benchmark DAC2 HGC
For the Analog Front end I have:
VPI Classic Signature with 12" 3D Tonearm and Dynavector XX II cartridge etc.
Zesto Andros Phono Stage.
There is also an Epson 6030 projector and Stewart Screen.
I use a Synology 1815+ for music and video streaming to this room and other rooms around the house.
I recently started using ROON which is quite nice.
The room is 16' in the front for the first 13' and then 18' wide for the remainder 8' or 9'.
-- Sanjay
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http://www.10audio.com/bryston_2.5b3.htm
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http://www.10audio.com/bryston_2.5b3.htm
Though I haven't owned more than one Bryston amp (several years ago) I have always had great respect and interest in the brand. Note : I had to sell it to aid the purchase of my wife's engagement ring. :) But anyway, the biggest takeaway I got from the review was how good the 2.5B3 sounds at reasonable volumes (even with somewhat high sensitivity speakers). I haven't heard a class A/B amp that was truly able to "give up the goods" at low volume (maybe less than 10% of its rated output). They typically sounded tight, closed-in, and severely lacked naturalness. I understand that part of this is due to the fact that at lower volumes the speaker drivers aren't moving as much air....which can "amplify" the ill effects noted earlier. But my experience with other amplifier designs/topologies told me that the amp's behavior is definitely half the equation. Speakers and amps should be considered as a pair, not really as separate pieces. I'll say here that I'm a fan of Pass amps and a lot that has to do with the fact that I've had great experience with them at all volume levels, including low volume levels with single driver speakers. I'm sure there are many factors to this, which I don't fully understand. That Bryston amps, based on this review, also have this volume versatility is a major compliment to Bryston's engineering prowess. There are countless high powered behemoth amps out there that could launch a rocket. It all seems impressive on paper. But when it comes down to it, in real world situations, those amps fail to do what they're supposed to do in a realistic, balanced, and pleasing manner. It looks like I need to greatly consider a Bryston amp if/when I get the itch to try something new. Congratulations Bryston on a stellar review! I hope it catches the interest of others who have efficient speakers who might otherwise overlook Bryston. :thumb:
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MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: 28B Mono Cubed – Customer Feedback
May, 2017
Hi Folks,
Got my Bryston 28B Cubed Mono Amps today.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=161756)
I have owned several SS amps and heard thousands and I always found something was missing regardless of price. If you are tube fan boy you will know exactly what I mean please don't get me wrong my tube amps won't go anywhere. I love both of them for different reasons.
Luckily I have one super dealer and he was kind enough for me to do a home demo of 4B3 Cubed amp and I had a zero hope until I plugged it in .. ( comparing $5,600 amp vs my $23 k amp I know I know the price is not everything but usually what you pay is what you get )
I played few albums that I familiar with over the years and I was shaking my head and saying " What the heck ! This can't be right. It's a SS amp ! how come sounds so beautiful so neutral and not missing anything? "
It just blew me away with its performance with super tight bass ( my 15" driver finally found nice partner who can control her completely) and dead quiet. Also the vocal was very close to tube and wondering what 28B3 can do and I was done. I had to get them.
So far I played last 10 hours and just couldn't be happier. I had a very high end amp ($60k amp ) and I'm much more satisfied with Bryston 28B3.
It's also big step up from 4B3. Much more defined details and vocal has more weigh in to it (well I will review them more when break in is done ) thanks to James for making this wonderful amp that can compete with double or triple priced amps out there. It's a keeper
Way to go Bryston. I'm a very happy camper.
Paul
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Hi Folks,
Outstanding review on our new 4B Cubed due out June 1st from Soundstage Magazine. - (includes measurements you won't believe) :thumb:
james
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MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: The New 4B Cubed Review - Soundstage
June 2017
Hi Folks,
Please see below the link to a superb review on our new Bryston 4B Cubed amplifier from Roger Kanno of Soundstage Magazine
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=163190)
Favourite Quote:
“I was blown away by its amazing transparency, absolute control, and very smooth, very linear sound. In my system, its sound was nearly flawless -- no matter what I listened to.
I couldn’t imagine the sound being much better, at least in terms of accurate reproduction.”
Roger Kanno
Soundstage Magazine
http://www.soundstagehifi.com/index.php/equipment-reviews/1073-bryston-4b3-stereo-mono-amplifier
Also have a look at the exceptional measurements!
Measurements can be found through this link.
http://www.soundstagenetwork.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1699:bhk-labs-measurements-bryston-4b3-stereo-mono-amplifier&catid=97:amplifier-measurements&Itemid=154
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I upgraded my main system amp to the cubed from the squared this summer and really like the sound. There is definite improvement in sound quality especially mids and highs. You will hear the difference. You should try to demo.
Been very happy with my 4B SST2, but could not resist anymore and just ordered the 7B3 :D
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Been very happy with my 4B SST2, but could not resist anymore and just ordered the 7B3 :D
:thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
james
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Hi Jame,
Is there any news about the Cubed version of the 9B?
Kind regards,
Willy
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Hi Jame,
Is there any news about the Cubed version of the 9B?
Kind regards,
Willy
Hi Willy
Yes we are getting close - we are building a final prototype this month.
james
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Hi James,
That is good news indeed. Do you also know more about the price? About the same as the squared version?
Kind regards,
Willy
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Hi James,
That is good news indeed. Do you also know more about the price? About the same as the squared version?
Kind regards,
Willy
Hi Willy
No sorry - the bean counters tell me it is going up at retail about $900.00 with all the new circuitry and power supply.
It will be more powerful and rated at 200 watts per channel.
james
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Hi James,
Thanks for your answer. The new price (about the price of a SP-3) seems quite fair to me. But don't tell the bean counters, otherwise they might change their minds.
Kind regards,
Willy
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Hi Folks,
We have a review coming on the new 7B Cubed Amplifiers and they asked us a number of detailed questions which I thought might be helpful.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=163572)
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston 7B Q & A
June 2017
Technical Questions: Bryston 7B³
1.Bryston was founded in 1976 in Peterborough, right? Who was the founder? What was the first product – do you have a picture for me?
2.What are mainly the technical improvements to the predecessor?
3.Regarding the low distortion input buffer - what is so new/special?
4.What are the improvements concerning the output stage?
5.The bandwidth up to 100 kHz is larger than the bandwidth of the predecessor but compared to other amps in the same class it isn’t very high. What is the reason for the moderate bandwidth Bryston prefers obviously?
6.The 7B³ has the lowest damping factor/highest output impedance among the Bryston power amps. What is the reason for this? And do you think the sound of the 7B³ is as the result of this a little bit “special” compared to the other amps?
7.Do you have further information of the sense and the function of the Master Circuit Breaker? It seems like a unorthodox solution ...
8.How much is the VA of the toroidal transformer and the capacity of the filter capacitors?
9.What does “Energy storage power transformers“ mean?
10.How many output transistors work per channel and which type?
11.The circuit of the 7B³ is designed fully symmetrical?
ANSWERS:
Thanks for your inquiry. I shall answer your questions in order below:
1. Bryston was founded in 1962 in Toronto, by 3 people named Tony Bauer, Stan Rybb, and John Stoneborough. John Russell, ex-NASA engineer and the father of Brian Russell and Chris Russell, bought the company in 1968. Among Bryston's first products was an electronic blood-testing unit called the 'Aggregometer'. Bryston made its first audio amplifiers in 1973.
2. The technical differences between the 7B Squared and the 7B³ lie in the input buffer. It is a new, patented design by Dr. Alexandru Salomie, who worked with Bryston for several years. The input buffer has very low THD and noise, and it also is extremely good at rejecting power-supply artifacts, noise and RF on the input cables. The result seems to be better imaging, depth and silent background on the musical presentation.
3. The input buffer's patent refers to new compensation methods to stabilize the high-gain, extremely linear amplification circuit, as well as a novel input filtering system to reject common-mode noise and RF before they get into the amplification circuitry.
4. The output stages of the Cubed Series amps are not changed from the Squared Series. We are happy with how they perform.
5. No musical instrument produces tones or harmonics substantially above 20KHz. Thus, Bryston feels that allowing an audio product to produce full power to RF frequencies does not improve the musical presentation and can only potentially lead to 'trouble' in the reproduction. That is why we use an effective RF filter at the input.
6. The damping factor of the 7B³ is very similar to the 4B³ even though the 7B³ is a balanced output amplifier and the 4B³ is a single-ended output amplifier. This is because the output inductors on the 7B³ are a lower value. In fact, the effective damping factor on the 7B³ is normally higher than single-ended amplifiers because it can be placed very close to each speaker, with very short speaker cables.
7. The Master Circuit Breaker on Bryston amplifiers takes the place of a power fuse. It means the user does not have to find and purchase a replacement fuse if it fails, and it cannot be defeated or replaced with a potentially unsafe value.
8. The toridal transformer in each 7B³ is conservatively rated at 850W continuous, but has enormous excess capacity.
9. An energy storage transformer has a heavier-than-normal core to deliver a large internal magnetic field. This allows the transformer to deliver very high spikes of current from its energy storage when recharging the filter capacitors, instead of drawing directly from the wall through the power cord. That means much less Voltage 'sag' when delivering high power on crescendos, and maintains a much more stable sonic 'image'.
10. The 16 output transistors in each 7B³ are Bipolar types and use both NPN and PNP polarities on each half of the waveform for maximum linearity. Each transistor is rated at 230W and 16 Amps of current for a huge reserve of power handling capacity.
11. Yes, the 7B³ is completely symmetrical from input to output.
James
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It appears that Bryston has outdone themselves again. Listen to these amps and bring your wallet. Got Planars get Bryston.
charles
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Coming to a rack near me.... :thumb:
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MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston 14B Cubed Amplifier Review
July 2017
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=165972)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=165973)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=165974)
The Verdict:
"I did not believe that the older Bryston 14B SST2 amplifier could be improved upon!
A bastion of neutrality, gobs of power and bipolar output, bass quickness that squeezed out the last ounce of low extension.
However, the new 14B has got that power slam and more, plus relays a sense of detail refinement in smoothness, imaging and upper-end "air" over the old one. Dare I say, it is even better than the old amp with hi-res music, such as DSD 5.6, and 24/352 PCM. And I thought the old 14B was already a good hi-res capable, high power amp.
The new Bryston 14B3 Cube is certainly an Everything Audio Network Stellar Sound Award winner and a candidate for amp of the year."
John Gatski
Everything Audio
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7B3 up and running.
To say I am impressed is an understatement, what a fantastic amp!
In lack of better words to deskribe the sound, I just say awesome :thumb:
Very happy customer.
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Some pictures :D
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=166177)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=166178)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=166179)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=166180)
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Hi Xinon
Nice setup - what are the speakers.
James
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Hi Xinon
Nice setup - what are the speakers.
James
Thanx James.
Speakers are ProAc D30RS.
They need some neutral, direct sounding partnering equipment to come alive, Bryston is the perfect match imo.
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Very nice! Well done
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Xinon, try some carpets on the floor! Larger is better! Just remove them again if you dont like it.
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Thanx James.
Speakers are ProAc D30RS.
They need some neutral, direct sounding partnering equipment to come alive, Bryston is the perfect match imo.
You are right, Bryston and ProAc are a very good match.
You have a very nice room. :thumb:
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Thanx for the kind words :thumb:
A carpet would certainly help, but the ribbon tweeter on ProAc is more directional so not as much reflection from floor and ceiling as with dome tweeters. Wool sofa and chairs helps on acoustics and also curtains and thick plisse's. I also kind of like a little lively room more than a dead one, personal taste of course.
And then there is the wife ........ :lol:
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MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston 14B Cubed Review
August, 2017
Hi Folks,
Please see below a superb review of our new 14B Cubed amplifier in Everything Audio magazine. The ‘STELLAR SOUND AWARD’ is not given lightly.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=166343)
Favorite Quote:
“In our opinion, the new Bryston 14B3 Cube stereo amplifier is most certainly an Everything Audio Network Stellar Sound Award winner and a candidate for AMP OF THE YEAR.”
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=166344)
http://everythingaudionetwork.blogspot.com/2017/08/audiophile-review-bryston-14b3-stereo.html
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Hi James,
Is there any news about the 9B3 multichannel power amplifier?
Kind regards,
Willy
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Hi James,
Is there any news about the 9B3 multichannel power amplifier?
Kind regards,
Willy
Should be soon is what they tell me.
james
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Xinon, try some carpets on the floor! Larger is better! Just remove them again if you dont like it.
I am thinking about removing my carpet for my hardwood floors. Is this a sonic mistake? :o
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I am thinking about removing my carpet for my hardwood floors. Is this a sonic mistake? :o
In my ears the sound is softer with carpets, i would not remove it. For sound quality that is, you may have other priorities?
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Should be soon is what they tell me.
And what about the 6B3 amplifier? Will it be available by the end of this year-2017?
Luigi
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Should be soon is what they tell me.
And what about the 6B3 amplifier? Will it be available by the end of this year-2017?
Luigi
Hi
I do not see the 6B Cubed for at least another year.
james
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Hi Folks,
Another STELLAR review from down under on the new Bryston 4B Cubed:
Favourite Quote:
CONCLUSION
"A well-designed solid-state amplifier should fulfil the purest principles of music reproduction, accepting the input signal, then transparently and harmlessly delivering it to the transducers regardless of their inherent electrical demands, providing effortless and tight control of the drivers while manifesting boundless dynamic expression, detailed resolution and accurate tonality.
In the 4B³, Bryston has covered all these bases covered...for at least 20 years."
Email me if you want a copy - jamestanner@bryston.com
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The preamp section of the B135³ does not look like the new BP-17³, but the amplifier's input section does have Cubed circuitry.
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In my ears the sound is softer with carpets, i would not remove it. For sound quality that is, you may have other priorities?
My priority is sound quality. I guess I'll settle for new carpeting instead. :)
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My priority is sound quality. I guess I'll settle for new carpeting instead. :)
Rooms with too many hard surfaces for audio is little like a room full of mirrors for video, too many reflections.
It is hard to tell the original sound from all the reflections from the room.
But it is a delicate matter to get the right balance. The floor is the easy part, more and thicker is always better.
The wall and corners behind the speakers is the next thing to adress, but it is a good thing to have a hard surface in the middle of the wall between the speakers.
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MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston 4B Cubed – Audio Esoterica Review
August 2017
Hi Folks,
Another STELLAR review from down under on the new Bryston 4B Cubed:
Favourite Quote:
CONCLUSION:
"A well-designed solid-state amplifier should fulfil the purest principles of music reproduction, accepting the input signal, then transparently and harmlessly delivering it to the transducers regardless of their inherent electrical demands, providing effortless and tight control of the drivers while manifesting boundless dynamic expression, detailed resolution and accurate tonality. “
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=166973)
Link To Full Review:
http://www.bryston.com/PDF/reviews/2017_08_Review_4B3_Audio_Esoterica.pdf
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Yeah, so their 1 year old integrated amp will be outdated very soon. Think they would've waited and brought everything out together.
hello,
If I am not wrong James wrote in the BP17 cubed's thread that the preamp section of the new integrated amp is the patented one of bp17...
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I'll have more to say later after I've listened for longer, but I got the 7B3 amps this week and I'm completely blown away. I'm at a loss for words at how they've brought my speakers to life.
WORTH EVERY PENNY!
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Is there any difference in very low volumes between the amps?
I recall reading somwhere that the bigger the amp the better they sound in low volumes, due to going higer in class A.
I have a 4B3, is there any benefit in going to the bigger amps in this regard?
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I'll have more to say later after I've listened for longer, but I got the 7B3 amps this week and I'm completely blown away. I'm at a loss for words at how they've brought my speakers to life.
WORTH EVERY PENNY!
I've had mine for a while now and am very happy.
I replaced 7BSST2 with 7B3. Nothing else changed. Quieter, blacker backgrounds. More three-dimensional soundstages. Noticeably higher resolution. They truly are more lifelike.
One thing I noticed right away was that they run cooler than my 7BSST2 did, barely getting warm to the touch. Bias? My PS Audio Powerplant indicates a few watts lower power consumption both at idle and during play.
A very worthwhile upgrade to my all-Bryston system. :thumb:
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I replaced Parasound JC-1s after 13 years and discovered that strident sound I thought was just my ears having a bad days was from the amplifiers.
I feel like I'm hearing my speakers, with the power they need , for the first time and finding out how good they really can sound.
Egglestonworks are huge power suckers, but boy can they sound great with muscle behind them.
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Hi James,
I was looking over the new specs for 4B3 and 7B3 and noticed that the 4B3 has gained about 10 lbs and the 7B3 has lost about 10 lbs over their respective SST2 counterparts. As I recall they both weighed the same as SST2's (around 50-55 lbs). Just curious from a technical standpoint what caused these weight changes.
Thanks,
Bill
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Hi James,
I was looking over the new specs for 4B3 and 7B3 and noticed that the 4B3 has gained about 10 lbs and the 7B3 has lost about 10 lbs over their respective SST2 counterparts. As I recall they both weighed the same as SST2's (around 50-55 lbs). Just curious from a technical standpoint what caused these weight changes.
Thanks,
Bill
Hi Bill,
The 7B always weighed less then the 4B as the 4B has 2 transformers per unit.
The 4B has always been around 58 pounds and the 7B around 53 pounds.
james
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I have a question , which is the better move, 2 7B3 s or two bridged 4B3s
I was just wondering since I read the 4B3s output 900 watts bridged into 8 ohms
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I had the opportunity to compare. I believe the 7b3 mono amps sound much better compared to a pair of bridged 4b3 amps.
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Hi James,
What will have the best sound quality: the Cubed version of the 2.5B / 3B or two channels of the 9BSST2? I could wait for the Cubed version of the 9B (five channel version) or buy the Cubed version of the 3B and a three-channel power amplifier.
Kind regards,
Willy
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Hi James,
What will have the best sound quality: the Cubed version of the 2.5B / 3B or two channels of the 9BSST2? I could wait for the Cubed version of the 9B 9five channel version) or buy the Cubed version of the 3B and a three-channel power amplifier.
Kind regards,
Willy
Hi Willy
Definitely the 2.5 or 3B Cubed.
james
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Thanks James!
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MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston 4B Cubed – Reference Component
September, 2017
Hi Folks,
The Soundstage editors and staff have announced the new Bryston 4B Cubed stereo amplifier has attained SOUNDSTAGE Hi-Fi Reference Component status!
Please see link below.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=167815)
RECOMMENDED REFERENCE COMPONENT:
BRYSTON 4B CUBED STEREO/MONO AMPLIFIER
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=167814)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=167816)
http://www.soundstagehifi.com/index.php/products-sp-722308067/2-uncategorised/1099-recommended-reference-component-bryston-4b3-stereo-mono-amplifier
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That's a great news. Félicitation. :thumb:
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MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston 28B Cubed – Customer Feedback
September, 2017
“Good morning James,
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=168095)
Got the Bryston 28B Cubed amplifiers as planned and after a quick set-up, I had a first listen yesterday: OMG!
To be honest with you I did not expected a so big difference and instead of speaking within the regular terms employed in audio I will say:
Everything seems Sooooo easy now!
I have only tried my Pyramid speakers at this moment because one loudspeaker of my other pair is apart to begin the external cross over project but I do not have any doubt that these amplifiers will drive any speaker with ease.
Like I do with eveything I purchase, I took a quick look inside the amp and was very impressed by the simplicity and build quality, very, very good engineering inside! I also found the binding posts really nice.
I am already thinking of going active with a Bryston BAX-1 Digital Crossover.
Well I will stop right now bothering you with all my questions and wish you a very good day! I will do my best to be present at the TAVES in October and met you there if possible.”
Regards,
Louis
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Here's another note of appreciation for the 4B3. I find it musical, neutral, non-irritating (like music), and unflappable. I tried a couple of esteemed & more expensive amps and prefer the uncolored quality of the 4B3. Very happy to have it in my system ... for a long time, I'm sure.
Oh, and it does all that without dumping hundreds of watts of heat into the room like some of the competition.
Well done! It deserves all those awards!
Mike
Former Frustrated Flutist
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Hi James,
Is there any plans to update the old PowerPac amplifier series?
Having mono block amplifers, provide a lot of flexibility for home theater..
Luigi
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Hi James,
Is there any plans to update the old PowerPac amplifier series?
Having mono block amplifers, provide a lot of flexibility for home theater..
Luigi
Hi Luigi
No I am sorry the only PP we build now is the PP300. PP never really sold that well except to the Pro market where they would install them on the rear of their speakers.
I still think we need a Mono 4B Cubed :thumb:
james
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Oh yes! If you could find a way to lower the profile of the chassis, that'd be the perfect center channel option! Or, better yet, 3 of them for the front 3 speakers!
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MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston 7B Cubed Mono Amplifiers
November 2017
Hi Folks,
Please see the link below for a new review from Inner Ear Magazine on our new 7B Cubed Mono Amplifiers
https://www.innerearmag.com/
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Very nice review
I had the 4b3 it was very nice,but i would clip the amp
I than purchased the 7b3,very nice
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James..
For either a Magnepan 3.6 or 3.7i or... maybe 20.7..
Would a pair of Bryston 7B3
or.. a 14B3 be better.
with no consideration for location, or two powercords..
(though if a six inch speaker cable pair with the 7's vs a five foot pair for the 14.. matters??)
I currently own the Bryston 4BSST² and Magnepan 3.6
With some fantasies of upgrading..
So the question is 14B3 or pair of 7B3 ???
My main love is HF definition, midrange clarity, no interest in 'big' bass. good bass definition though is fine.
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James..
For either a Magnepan 3.6 or 3.7i or... maybe 20.7..
Would a pair of Bryston 7B3
or.. a 14B3 be better.
with no consideration for location, or two powercords..
(though if a six inch speaker cable pair with the 7's vs a five foot pair for the 14.. matters??)
I currently own the Bryston 4BSST² and Magnepan 3.6
With some fantasies of upgrading..
So the question is 14B3 or pair of 7B3 ???
My main love is HF definition, midrange clarity, no interest in 'big' bass. good bass definition though is fine.
Hi Elizabeth
7B's for sure - there are really too advantages - short speaker cables (makes a difference) and more power supply capacitance (double what the 14B has) for those transients on the Maggies.
Have you seen the new Magnepan 30's?
james
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Hi Elizabeth,
Just recently I went through the same decision you did. A single 14B3 vs. a pair of 7B3. At the end of the day I went with the pair of 7B3 for the following reasons:
1) Each 7B3 has twice the capacitance relative to a single channel of the 14B3 which provides better stability into high current loads.
2) The 14B3 is heavy to lift (90+ lbs) while each 7B3 weighs 55 lbs. I can easily lift 55 lbs, but 90+ lbs is too much to move and position.
Good luck with your decision. You can not go wrong either way.
John
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Hi Elizabeth
Have you seen the new Magnepan 30's?
james
$30,000 for the 30.7 is both the 20.7 and the 7B3 with spare change..! And the four part speakers would be hard to squeeze into my apartment!
And thanks for the advice on the 7B3 vs 14B3.
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$30,000 for the 30.7 is both the 20.7 and the 7B3 with spare change..! And the four part speakers would be hard to squeeze into my apartment!
And thanks for the advice on the 7B3 vs 14B3.
HI
I had Tympani 4A's a while back and they were terrific - but you need a BIG room and a BIG budget :green:
james
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=171192)
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(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=171444)
New B17 Cubed Preamp with 14B Cubed amplifier.
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Looks awesome James! :thumb:
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going old school here...with 4B2, etc....on my new custom built stand - white birch with walnut posts! made in NB baby :)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=171494)
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Nice work
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going old school here...with 4B2, etc....on my new custom built stand - white birch with walnut posts! made in NB baby :)
Beautiful. Sparse, simple, nothing fancy. :thumb:
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thanks fellas! :thumb:
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Hi Folks,
Link on our website to the new 21B Amplifier.
http://www.bryston.com/products/active/21B-3.html
james
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(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=172974)
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Congrats James!
Given all the new Bryston products over the past 5 years or so - what are you most proud of James?
TJ
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Congrats James!
Given all the new Bryston products over the past 5 years or so - what are you most proud of James?
TJ
Hi TJ
The Active speakers - it really takes performance to a new level :thumb:
james
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Right on. I can't wait to give them a listen someday. Any distributors in the Maritimes James?
also, wondering about the connection between PMC and Bryston these days. I see the PMC website shows a beauty Bryston preamp and CD player. Just curious!
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=172994)
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Right on. I can't wait to give them a listen someday. Any distributors in the Maritimes James?
also, wondering about the connection between PMC and Bryston these days. I see the PMC website shows a beauty Bryston preamp and CD player. Just curious!
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=172994)
PMC is our distributor in the UK and uses our amplifiers and crossovers in their large active systems.
james
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MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston 4B Cubed – Value Award 2017!
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=173424)
It’s time to announce the ‘SoundStage Network’s Products of the Year’ -- the best of the best products we reviewed in 2017.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=173425)
There are three main categories of POTY award:
1. Individual,
2. Outstanding Performance,
3. Exceptional Value.
Exceptional Value awards are presented to components whose sound quality is usually associated with products costing far more.
Bryston 4B3 stereo/mono amplifier:
"Has virtually faultless sound and with the added ability to drive just about any speaker with ease.
The 4B3 may well be the best value today in a high-end, high-powered, solid-state amplifier."
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MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston Cubed Amplifiers – Holland Review
Hi Folks
A very detailed and extensive review on the new Bryston Cubed amplifiers (3B,4B and 14B Cubed) from HFA Magazine in Holland ... and I mean extensive with some great pictures and paired with a variety of top notch speakers.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=173460)
http://www.hifi-advice.com/blog/review/analog-reviews/amplifier-reviews/bryston-3b-4b-and-14b-cubed-power-amplifiers/
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=173461)
Favourite Quote:
Bryston’s latest Cubed series really has taken the sound to a whole new level.
Anyone who has dismissed earlier Brystons for sounding harsh should really reconsider. The new Bryston sound is generous, smooth, rich and relaxed, yet very powerful, driving all the speakers that I tried with ease and that includes Vivid Giya G3 s2, Apogee Diva, Duetta Signature, Centaur, Wilson Watt/Puppy 8 and Wilson Sabrina. Even the very efficient Gustavsons are driven with majesty and verve.
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Hi James,
The production of the cubed version of the Bryston 9B sst has been cancelled or is it delayed?
Regards Erik
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Hi James,
The production of the cubed version of the Bryston 9B sst has been cancelled or is it delayed?
Regards Erik
Hi Erik
Yes it is still in limbo - it looks like it may be cancelled.
james
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Thanks for your fast response James.Very appreciated. Pity indeed there will probably no be cubed version of it realized.Maybe a solution for me could be the Bryston 3 B- cubed in combination with another 3 channel amplifier?(secondhand krell)Because i'm intended to buy the Sp3 processor and maybe a BDA3 dac and BDP 3 music player if i have enough money in the pocket. Sorry for my bad english.
Regards Erik
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https://hometheaterreview.com/bryston-14b3-stereo-amplifier-reviewed/
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(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=174213)
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Germany – Bryston 7B Cubed Mono Amp Award
January 2018
Hi James,
We just received an award for the Bryston 7B CUBED for 2018 from the very well-known German online magazine www.fairaudio.de
We are very please to receive this award from such a prestigious German magazine.
Best regards,
Edvard.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=174217)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=174212)
https://www.fairaudio.de/test/bryston-7b3-verstaerker-mono-endstufen/
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A Google translation of perhaps the most telling part the German review is:
"In short, the 7B³ deliver the finest, highest-resolution sound that I've ever seen in power amplifiers of any color and price range. And I mean "real" resolution, not the harsh halftone, the silvery high-pitch range or an over-drawn attack, with which so many supposedly high-resolution components are flirting and at the same time pretense precision only at elevated stress levels."
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MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston 4B Cubed with B&W – Customer Feedback
January 2018
Hello James
I would like to inform you that after my visit to Audioconcept in Stockholm (absolutely top notch service from Robert and Fredrik) I listened to this amp.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=174299)
I decided to try it out at home and they offered to visit me and it took about 10 seconds to be sure.
I pushed the button and I can assure you that this is a match made in heaven. :)
The music is now finally perfectly in place together with my other gear and the Bryston 4B3 was the last bit to finalize this road to “perfection”. At least for a while ;)
Thanks again for your support and for making the music flow through your great products!
Best regards
J from Sweden
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Ohh so he bought Bryston in the end, cool! :D I told him to look into Bryston on a Swedish forum 8)
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MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston Amplifiers - Ultimate Home Theater Installation
January 2018
Hi Folks,
Impressive home theater system being installed by one of our premium dealers.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=175203)
This is the amazing equipment rack being constructed by Maverick Integration for a 30-seat DCI home theater in greater Boston.
Featuring ten (count them) Bryston amplifiers and a very unique Barco Prometheus projector.
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Is anyone here pushing Monitor gold 300's with this amp just something i am considering. I have the amp but looking for speakers.
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Hi Folks,
French review on the BP17 preamp and 4B Cubed combo.
http://www.bryston.com/PDF/reviews/2018_02_02_Review_French_Bryston.pdf
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James
Out of the box, the 7BQ through my BP17 on a passive pair of MB2 are frightening me.
In a very good way. Wow....
I can't wait for the ACTIVE Middle T to arrive next week ........
Thanks to all in the Great White North!!
DS
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=175596)
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wow! now that's a powerful looking system. beautiful :thumb:
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The summary from the German review translated by Google:
The Bryston 7B³ are characterized by ...
a) the proof that "real" transparency and transparency are absolutely music-worthy or promote long-term capability - the Canadians are exceptionally subtle-silky and are among the most transparent and translucent amps I know.
b) tonal neutrality.
c) an equally "fast" as unencumbered enemy dynamics.
d) a bass range, which leaves no doubt about the draft, energy content and rough dynamics, that mature transistor monos are at the start, but the 7B³ make it rather jagged-fluid flutschen than that they push massive and deep black.
e) a linear, airy, precise, at the same time well-integrated, organic-sounding tonic.
f) highly differentiated mids without any special sound design - no extra dose of comforting warmth and indulgence, but also no exaggerated coolness.
g) a class-appropriate, official stage illustration. However, the way in which even the subtle and short (transient) components of the music are given a plastic life of their own deserves an extra applause in this price class as well.
h) an absolutely robust, high quality, but not exactly glamorous workmanship.
i) energy efficiency still acceptable for monos of this design and performance class (75 watts each at idle).
Points c), d), and g) might have become a bit lost in translation, but it appears that the reviewer is buying the amp. "the 7B³ have been playing with me for over eight months and will remain permanent."
Overall, the 7B3 amazing amps. Plan on using my pair until the warranty runs out.
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MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Stereo Magazine Reviews BP17 and 4B Cubed - Germany
February 2018
Hi Bryston Folks,
New review on BP17³/4B³ combo coming out next week in the prestigious Magazine “Stereo” in Germany.
Superb test and great review!
Edvard
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=175750)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=175751)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=175752)
Please email me if you want a PDF of the complete review.
jamestanner@bryston.com
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MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston 4B Cubed Report
February, 2018
“Hi Gents,
Well, I have to tell you that I hooked up my 4B3 last night and expected to listen for a half hour or so.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=175805)
Not at all what happened! After playing the very first track on my Middle Ts which I've had for some time now.
I was nothing short of mesmerized.
To say that the amp transformed my system would be an understatement.
EVERYTHING was so much better that I was doing that age old thing of listening not only to current favs, but pulling out old stuff I hadn't listened to in years and being amazed and enthralled with how fabulous everything sounded. It was jaw dropping!
Don't get me wrong, I know how good our products are, but it was the first time I've had a first hand experience with a Cubed amp. After listening for over 3 hours and having an experience that was so moving in it's intimacy with the music, I finally had to pull my self away. My Middle T's were virtually unrecognizable as they had improved so much, it was like I had a new pair of speakers that was at least ten times better (and expensive)!
By the way the 4B Cubed replaced a Krell amp that was no slouch IMO. I could go on and on with all of the audiophile superlative adjectives and descriptions, but you already know all that!
Thanks again, for enabling me to have an experience with my system that I haven't had with anything else in so many years.
Steve
Lab Acoustic Marketing
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Hi Folks
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=175832)
I have a PDF of English translation of a very extensive review of the Bryston 7B Cubed amplfier in German Magazine FAIRAUDIO.
We even got a Fairaudios Favorite Award !!!
Email me if you want a copy - its long - 10 Pages :thumb:
james
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Really happy with my 7B Cubes too :thumb: :thumb:
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(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=176190)
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HI Folks,
I have an English translation of this review on the BP17 Cubed Preamplifier and 4B Cubed Power amplifier now - email me if you want a copy.
jamestanner@bryston.com
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=176574)
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MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston 28B Mono Amplifiers – Customer Feedback
February, 2018
Good morning, James.
Got my Bryston 28B amplifiers hooked up this weekend.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=176767)
In this hobby it’s so easy to make what you realize inside of an hour was an expensive mistake. It’s nice when an expensive trial works out!
By the end of my listening session last night my mouth was nearly agape that I got this much noticeable improvement from a solid state amp(s). I felt like I had a whole new system, and more to come considering right now I’m using a $500 DAC as a preamp/level control and Monoprice 12ga speaker cable.
Even so, incredible dynamics with sounds emerging from absolute nothingness, voices are so natural, instrument separation to be able to identify and localize secondary and tertiary elements, and an overall unfatiguing, effortless “flow “ of music that felt like it would go 20 dB louder with no complaint if I asked it to. Wow.
I think these are feeling like amps for life that aren’t going anywhere. I used to have a 150 pound pure Class A space heater called an (edit), and I can’t believe it gets any better than this. I’m just blown away!
You are/have been for me an unbelievable wealth of knowledge, patience and energy as a brand ambassador for Bryston, to young and old, first-time prospects like myself to 40-year customers.
Keep up the great work and happy listening, James!
Randy
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MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston 4B Cubed Amplifier – Customer Feedback
March 2018
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=177373)
Hi James,
Please see below my translation of one of our customers in Sweden regarding his new Bryston 4B Cubed amplifier.
"Hi,
Thank you for letting me try the new Bryston 4B Cubed amplifier.
It is by far the best purchase that I have ever made!
An incredibly fine unit that if everything were fair you should sell tons of!
Night after night I get stuck and just enjoy it!”
Regards
Jonas, Goteborg"
Sweden
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I have recently purchased the Bryston 4B cubed amp. Bryston has hit the mark with the cubed series. I was running Musician III Mk2 with all available upgrades in mono block.
The 4B3 has a way of control of my Usher be-20 diamond woofers that I only heard with Belles MB-500 mono blocks $15,000.00 USD new. Being from Texas, those MB-500s were not a option due to the heat generation of that design.
Called Bryston after purchased and asked if I could do better than the 4B3 sound wise, they reviewed my speaker specs and said no!!! How's that for customer service. Going up the Bryston chain would only increase power output to the speaker, sound quality would remain the same. As you see this is a company that puts the best of their technical expertise in all the cubed models, you choose your power requirements for your speakers and system. This is my first Bryston purchase, but most likely not my last. Outstanding Job!!!!
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MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston - Made in Canada – Sold in China !
March, 2018
Hi James
Please see attached the link to the Chinese review on the new Bryston 14B Cubed amplifier
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=178252)
It’s the review of the Bryston 14B3 (Cubed) in traditional Chinese language but you can use Google Translate.
The articles heading is "What's the MAGIC of the 14B3!"
In this review, the editor claims that “for the same price level in power amps , the Bryston 14B3 (Cubed) can't be exceeded!"
https://www.audionet.com.tw/thread-10538-1-1.html
Simon
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I flunked Chinese in undergrad. :roll:
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I nearly flunked undergrad. :o
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MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston 14B Cubed Review from France
April, 2018
The manufacturer (Bryston) applied their philosophy of “first to last watt” to the Cubed range consisting of seven models of power amplifiers, an approach designed to maintain an ideal power curve where the threshold noise and distortion remain low and constant from first to last watt.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=178394)
THE BRYSTON WAY
For this purpose, ultrafast bipolar driver transistors are used to eliminate a second type of crossover distortion that adds to the distortion of crossing of the exit stage specific to class AB. The Quad Complementary bipolar output stage reduces the capacitive load seen from the driver. So the response time generated by this capacitive load is removed, which helps eliminate nonlinearities at zero crossing of the current. The behavior of the output stage then gets closer of a class A floor, so without distortion crossover, but remains effective as a circuit in class AB. As indicated by the manufacturer, 14B3 is mounted in an aluminum frame within which are virtually installed two mono blocks 7B3. The interior is thus arranged in pure double mono. On each channel, a huge toroidal transformer of 850 VA followed by six capacitor filtering of 15,000 μF feed after regulation the different balanced circuits distributed between the motherboard and two cards on the back of each heatsink. Eight pairs of channel-protected power transistors temperature deliver more than 600W (670 measured and guaranteed by the measurement sheet provided on our copy) under 8 ohms.
MANUFACTURING AND LISTEN
CONSTRUCTION: We find with the Bryston 14B3 the characteristic look of the high power block with a consistent overall volume and weight. However the aesthetics has been seriously reworked and the massive front face softened by rounded edges largely erases the professional pedigree own to the brand. The front handles are beautiful and the rear handles very useful for stir the beast.
COMPONENTS: The technological choices are nothing extraordinary. On the other hand, they have done for a long time their evidence in terms of performance, quality of restitution and reliability, which enables the manufacturer to guarantee the device for a period 20 years old parts and labor! Moreover, the schema has been the subject of much attention and includes a few house tricks that are causing a phenomenal restitution.
SERIOUS: Among our favorite tests on this criterion, the landing of the helicopter on The Wall of Pink Floyd vinyl takes a special place because it is simply revealing qualities of impact, power felt and firmness of a device. With the Bryston 14B3, the helicopter was literally in the piece! The slapping of the blades, the blast of the thruster and the air around this show of apocalypse were felt on a scale of veracity never reached so far in our auditorium, what that was the price of the amplifier tested. The energy of impacts and the linearity of the descent into the basements are absolutely exceptional. As for the articulation of the register, we have not yet heard better, especially on the tablecloth synths in the extreme low on "Christine" by Christine and The Queens. This is the first time we came to follow a score as well low in frequency.
MEDIUM: The use of bipolar technology brings in our opinion a more incontestable listening, because it develops a harmonic gradient much more coherent and better cut off from the top medium than other transistor technologies. We received the new 14B3 from nine and it was a short half-hour to block gets into the leg and delivers stamps already very structured and very nuanced. Listening to Mars in DSD128 file from Holst's Planets by Karajan challenged us by the flamboyance of the notes and by their very plausible texture. Everything sounds right, without tension, without greenness, without perhaps the thickness ultimate references of the moment, but that's so unexpected for such a powerful monster do not sulk his pleasure.
ACUTE: The Bryston does not change gear when the message goes up in frequency. He does not lose anything this very great spontaneity in the diffusion of the treble which is part of a tonal continuity absolutely perfect with the medium. The flexibility of register is remarkable even in the extinctions. Bryston Quad Complementary technology that duplicates the harmonic distribution of a montage in class A here proves its effectiveness.
DYNAMIC: Whether you are listening very, very loud or muted, the 14B3 offers a dynamic range sensational and unusual readability what that is the complexity of the message. The most spectacular in the good sense of the term remains the energy considerable feeling about a powerful spike, like kick kick on "Animal". The holding the speakers is otherwise absolutely incredible for an electronics that only displays one damping factor of "only" 300. In reality, the depreciation factor does not explain all because we must also consider the capabilities of food to quickly deliver a lot of current. On this point, the 14B3 can already be considered a reference.
NOTE ATTACK: The Bryston 14B3 is a pure block of dynamite. Just send the music to light the wick and then it's a real fireworks sound that starts. The liveliness, the spontaneity of the device releases a huge amount of information all over the place in the development of notes. And these go out in the long term with great delicacy to deep silence.
SOUNDSTAGE: On the introduction of the track "Day in the Life" by Jeff Beck recorded in public at the Montreux Festival in 2001, we were able to visualize with even more conviction than usually every musician on stage, every sound in the space. The width as the depth of camped decor are of a unique realism, as this amp elsewhere.
TRANSPARENCY: Once in, because the 14B3 does not was not when we listened to it, it is very likely that this power block is one of the most transparencies all prices available on the market. Marriage with PMC speakers (Bryston and PMC are longstanding partners) is simply ideal. Value for money:
At the risk of getting angry with the competition, we would still like ask him a question because we probably have not yet all-inclusive. Why electronics as brilliant as the Bryston 14B3, very powerful, incredibly delicate and musical and, which plus is, guaranteed 20 years, costs just over 10,000 euros when you have to pay several tens of thousands to get something from similar in the very high end of others manufacturers? Our advice for Free: By associating it with an excellent DAC with variable output level, you get one of the most simple systems and the more magnetic that are.
VERDICT
It's been a long time since we had took pleasure in discovering and listening to a amplification electronics of this caliber. In this price niche at least we do not see any competitor able to play in the same yard qualitative.
Maximum recommendation.
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I agree: the Floyd track with the chopper is a superb test track.
Another great track is Private Investigations, Dire Straits. All the microdetails and bass slam.
:thumb: congrats JT.
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Has anyone changed the face plate on their cubed amp.
I looks like there are 2 screws on the right/left inside of the face plate. They are obstructed by the heat sinks. But you cannot take off the
heat-sinks as there are multiple pieces of electronics attached to them, inside the case.
Is there a special tool, or am i missing something.
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Hi James
Nice review of the 14B3. Thanks for posting.
What are your thoughts on this free advice......? "By associating it with an excellent DAC with variable output level, you get one of the most simple systems and the more magnetic that are. "
Any drawbacks of eliminating the preamp from the electronic stream?
TJ
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Hi James
Nice review of the 14B3. Thanks for posting.
What are your thoughts on this free advice......? "By associating it with an excellent DAC with variable output level, you get one of the most simple systems and the more magnetic that are. "
Any drawbacks of eliminating the preamp from the electronic stream?
TJ
I prefer to use a preamp but in a very simple system as long as the output gain stage is of high quality you should be fine with a DAC/preamp combination. The problem with most of these output sections in a combination product is the output voltage swing is limited.
For example most of the CD players and DAC's I have looked at with volume out give you a maximum of 2 Volts whereas something like our BP26 has 30 Volts capability.
james
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Interesting. Thanks James!
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Hi James
Ever think of designing a simple preamp/DAC with a high quality output gain stage?
Could call it the Byrston PDAC1. And retail for $3,299. ;) :thumb:
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...will the BP26 ever be replaced ??????????? very good preamp and in the meantime more than 10 years in Bryston's lineup :thumb:
al.
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...will the BP26 ever be replaced ??????????? very good preamp and in the meantime more than 10 years in Bryston's lineup :thumb:
al.
Hi Al
The BP26 is still my favourite preamp so I plan to keep it in the lineup for as long as it sells.
James
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4B3 good combo with ATC passive, like the SCM 12 pro?
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Hi Al
The BP26 is still my favourite preamp so I plan to keep it in the lineup for as long as it sells.
James
Hi James,
Great philosophy and very pragmatic. The BP26 is an excellent preamp. I enjoy the simplicity and robustness of the design.
Cheers,
John
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MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston 4B Cubed Review - Poland
April 2018
Hi Folks
Please see below a link to a review on the new 4B Cubed amplifier from Poland (English translation).
Also some superb photos!
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=179150)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=179151)
LINK
https://soundrebels.com/bryston-4b%C2%B3-english-ver/
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=179152)
Favourite Quotes:
“But if you ask me about my individual and very subjective opinion, then the Bryston 4B3 seems to be the summit not only of my audiophile, but also my reviewer’s dreams.”
Marcin Olszewski
“I am not able to predict the final effect of the integration of the 4B³ with your system, but for the money, it will be very difficult, if not impossible, to find something similar quality.”
Jacek Pazio
PS - By the way James the 4B³ is staying in my system permanently.
Marcin
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Hi James,
NEW REVIEW on BP-17 and 4B Cubed !
“One of the actually best amplifiers on the market”
On German Online Magazine Fairaufio.de:
https://www.fairaudio.de/test/bryston-bp17%c2%b3-und-bryston-4b%c2%b3-vor-endverstaerker-kombination/
Best regards
Edvard Potisk
AViTech, Dkfm.
Email: edvard.potisk@avitech.at
Web: www.avitech.at
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Hi James
I read the German review and gotta tell you , it’s really great for both components.
Ernie
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http://www.enjoythemusic.com/magazine/equipment/0618/Bryston_BP17_3_Preamplifier_7B_3_Monoblock_Amplifier_Review.htm
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Hi Folks,
I have a PDF of a very, very, very in depth review of the Bryston BP17 Cubed Preamplifier and 4B Cubed Power Amplifier combo from FAIRAUDIO Magazine in Germany. Some great pics as well!
My sincere thanks to Peter Ullman a dedicated audiophile and true gentleman for his translation of the German to English.
Please email me if you want a copy - it's 11 pages and 1M - jamestanner@bryston.com
james
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I'd love a copy of the "very, very, very in depth review of the Bryston BP17 Cubed Preamplifier and 4B Cubed Power Amplifier combo from FAIRAUDIO Magazine in Germany" please. :D
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I'd love a copy of the "very, very, very in depth review of the Bryston BP17 Cubed Preamplifier and 4B Cubed Power Amplifier combo from FAIRAUDIO Magazine in Germany" please. :D
Ok please email me at - jamestanner@bryston.com :P
james
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Bryston 28B Review from Italy (English)
https://www.audio-activity.com/bryston-28bsup3-en.html
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MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston BP17 Cubed and 4B Cubed Combo – Customer Feedback
July 2018
Wow!
Now that they are in working order, and any kinks (traced to other components) have been troubleshot, my system is transformed.
Bryston is spoiling me as we speak. Hard to tell if it is the 4B Cubed stereo amplifier or the BP17 Cubed pre-amplifier, which I added at the same time.
Such a fantastic pair!
The sound is much more full and detailed. Soundstage is markedly improved, so much that I must say it’s almost like I never heard soundstage in my system before. Bass is extended and midrange is particularly improved. I can now ‘feel’ the music, unlike before.
Vocals are more in the room. Whatever you have done with this pair, you have done right. The wife, who could almost care less about music, commented right away “It sounds amazing”. I can only concur. Looking forward to years of enjoyment....
My thanks to the entire Bryston team!
Shrinky
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MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston 4B Cubed Amplifier – Customer Feedback
July 2018
“Hi James,
I just thought I would send you a message of thanks for such a great product (Bryston 4B3). I purchased one earlier in the year from Hi Fi Centre in Vancouver, BC. (realizing a life-long dream of owning NEW Bryston gear)….
I am driving a pair of vintage Acoustic Research AR-9 speakers with it (the 4B3 replaced a pair of vintage BGW 6500 amps in a vertical bi-amp setup in this challenging "load" situation.
I must say what a marked improvement in sound-stage, particularly in the bass.
I am a musician, operate a small scale recording studio and am a long time audiophile (since late 1970's) so I know of what I speak.
Thank you and all of your employees and please forward this to the front line employees who build the amps.
Their efforts are appreciated!”
Thanks so much,
Randy Turner
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Hi James,
Just noticed on your website that the description for the 28B3 is incorrect.
It says Selectable gain at 23 or 29dB
But it is fixed at 29db
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Hi James,
Just noticed on your website that the description for the 28B3 is incorrect.
It says Selectable gain at 23 or 29dB
But it is fixed at 29db
Thanks - will pass that along
james
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MEMO: To All Bryston Dealers and Distributors
SUBJECT: Bryston BP-6/4B Cubed Review - Portugal
Hello James,
Here are some comments from the Portuguese magazine.
The conclusion on the review goes something like this:
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=186814)
“ I can’t help but reinstate how much the Bryston’s surprised me.
My point is that Bryston has more than proven the exceptional relationship between quality and price of these products from this Canadian brand.
From the aesthetical point of view it may or may not have any added bonus, but it represents a conception that is purely functional, and the solidity and quality of construction is exemplary.
In terms of sound performance they match easily with amplifiers of much higher cost.
Generous power, scale, neutrality, higher resolution and a convincing musicality, higher quality of construction and the Bryston warranty of 20 years makes this brand’s products the only reasonable choice that the happy owner will need for life.
Very recommended! ”
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James this is my combo the 26/4B3 is there a English review. Thanks, Mike
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Not in english but :
https://www.stereolife.pl/2851
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James,
any news about the 9B³ and 6B³??
thanks,
al.
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James,
any news about the 9B³ and 6B³??
thanks,
al.k
Hi Al
The 9B is about a month out. The 6B I do not think we will have a Cubed version as the new 620B Cubed amplifier can be used as a 3-channel 300 watt amplifier.
James
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Hi JAMES,
Can you provide some more details/images around this new 620 amplifier?
Is there something different from the current Bryston amplifiers like the 2B/3B/4B/9B?
And when will it be released to the public?
Luigi
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Hi JAMES,
Can you provide some more details/images around this new 620 amplifier?
Is there something different from the current Bryston amplifiers like the 2B/3B/4B/9B?
And when will it be released to the public?
Luigi
Hi Luigi
Its a 6 times 200 watt amplifier but any 2 channels can be bridged to 300 watts. It's about the size of the 14B (a bit longer) and is the new Cubed design.
It has a lot of the features that Custom Installers and Home Theater dealers and customers want like remote sensing and control and option of internal fans etc.
james
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James, is it essentially the 2.5B3 x 3 in one chassis with additional space for fans? Does it maintain the aesthetic design of the other amplifiers or is it something new?
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James, is it essentially the 2.5B3 x 3 in one chassis with additional space for fans? Does it maintain the aesthetic design of the other amplifiers or is it something new?
No its more a 3B Cubed channel x 6 and does maintain the Cubed look.
james
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Very cool. I have been running a trio of 3B2s in my previous HT room and will be starting construction on a dedicated room in our new house where this could be a nice addition.
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...has Bryston ever made amps with fans inside before ??? :scratch:
al.
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...has Bryston ever made amps with fans inside before ??? :scratch:
al.
Hi Al,
No this will be a first and it will be optional.
james
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The 21B3 is also a good option for a three-channel cubed series amplifier.
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(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=188069)
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston 28B’s – Customer Response - Thailand
December 2018
“Hi James,
I recently added the Bryston 28B Mono Amplifiers to my audio system.
I was using Devialet 1000 pro French products which is also claiming 1000watts/channel mono.
The improvement in the Bryston 28B amplifier is a very solid bottom end which made the overall tonal balance much better than before and dynamic capability with authority is outstanding on my B&W speakers.
Because of my poor English I cannot express as clearly as I want my feelings and thoughts of the improvements that the Bryston 28B amplifier makes in my system.
With the previous Devialet amplifiers the sound was much thinner and not very coherent.
I am now expecting more improvements from the Bryston 28B as burn-in progress continues. Also my new Linn Akurate DSM DAC+Pre) also needs some burning in.
Thank you for making a great amplifier.
Regards
Sung”
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Cool review of Magnepan's new 30.7 speakers. Guess who's power amp the used.....BRYSTON!! :thumb:
http://www.hifiplus.com/articles/magnepan-307-four-panel-dipolar-planar-loudspeaker-system-revisited/
JT - do you happen to know which Bryston amp(s) they used..? or the configuration?
cheers!
T
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Cool review of Magnepan's new 30.7 speakers. Guess who's power amp the used.....BRYSTON!! :thumb:
http://www.hifiplus.com/articles/magnepan-307-four-panel-dipolar-planar-loudspeaker-system-revisited/
JT - do you happen to know which Bryston amp(s) they used..? or the configuration?
cheers!
T
Hi,
I believe it was a 14B Cubed.
Magnepan is a big fan of our amplifiers and use them in their own factory testing facilities as well as at audio show demos
james
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Hi,
I believe it was a 14B Cubed.
Magnepan is a big fan of our amplifiers and use them in their own factory testing facilities as well as at audio show demos
james
They sure are big fans! I recently acquired a pair of Maggie's, and called the folks down in Minnesota to pick their brains on power recommendations and a bunch of other stuff..... Once I told them I have a Bryston power amp, we quickly moved on to other topics. They basically said....perfect match!!
Gotta love it!!
Thanks James and the Bryston team - for making kick ass products in Canada!
T
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This....
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=188469)
Tremendous deal on a new 2.5b3-on the used market!
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Hi James,
We just started New Year with Award 2019 for 4B³ as the best amplifier on the very popular German online magazine www.fairaudio.de
Best regards
Edvard
https://www.fairaudio.de/test/bryston-bp17-und-bryston-4b-vor-endverstaerker-kombination/
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Congrats James and Bryston Team!! My 4B3 is firing up the A1's nicely....got "Blue Railroad Train" from Josh Williams cranked up this Saturday afternoon.....up next....Tyminski! Love it. :thumb:
Happy 2019.
TJ
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Bryston 14B Cubed Review:
http://www.magazine-audio.com/bryston-14b-sst3/
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I have a PDF of a very, very, very in depth review of the Bryston BP17 Cubed Preamplifier and 4B Cubed Power Amplifier combo from FAIRAUDIO Magazine in Germany. Some great pics as well!
My sincere thanks to Peter Ullman a dedicated audiophile and true gentleman for his translation of the German to English.
Please email me if you want a copy - it's 11 pages and 1M - jamestanner@bryston.com
Does anyone have an English copy of the FAIRAUDIO review? I emailed James but he couldn't find it.
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I have a copy of the review in English, but I am not sure whether it was from Peter Ullman or an automated translation (e.g. Google). In any case, it gets the point across that this is good equipment. I don't think I can attach a file here. Alternatively, I will mail it directly to JT.
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I have a copy of the review in English, but I am not sure whether it was from Peter Ullman or an automated translation (e.g. Google). In any case, it gets the point across that this is good equipment. I don't think I can attach a file here. Alternatively, I will mail it directly to JT.
:duh: I forgot about the browser translation feature. Thanks.
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(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=191307)
TONEAudio
The new 28B.3s have arrived from Bryston! Photoshoot under way... these are gorgeous.
Bryston has really raised the bar in their casework from past models.
28B Cubed amplifier review in the works!!!
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=191306)
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Hey James,
A quick note to let you know my new 4B3 is nicely warming up after a few months of play.
The Bryston amp is the centre piece, the foundation of my system. Whatever I throw at it....new components, a variety of speakers, tube sources, subwoofers, new power cables....anything at all, and it keeps rocking nicely!
I sold my beloved 4BSST2 to help with the purchase of the 4B3. At first, I was saddened to see the squared hit the road.....i had thought it would be my forever amp. But this new 4B3 is definitely an upgrade!
What i notice most, is at low level listening (when the boss is home) the music remains tremendously engaging. And of course, when I'm alone, the amp let's it all hang out. It absolutely rocks! Solid as a rock. It is subtle, smooth, clean, powerful, flexible and most of all....makes me happy - especially with the Magnepan's at full tilt. Love it.
Thanks Bryston!! :thumb:
TJ
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Hey James,
A quick note to let you know my new 4B3 is nicely warming up after a few months of play.
The Bryston amp is the centre piece, the foundation of my system. Whatever I throw at it....new components, a variety of speakers, tube sources, subwoofers, new power cables....anything at all, and it keeps rocking nicely!
I sold my beloved 4BSST2 to help with the purchase of the 4B3. At first, I was saddened to see the squared hit the road.....i had thought it would be my forever amp. But this new 4B3 is definitely an upgrade!
What i notice most, is at low level listening (when the boss is home) the music remains tremendously engaging. And of course, when I'm alone, the amp let's it all hang out. It absolutely rocks! Solid as a rock. It is subtle, smooth, clean, powerful, flexible and most of all....makes me happy - especially with the Magnepan's at full tilt. Love it.
Thanks Bryston!! :thumb:
TJ
Hi TJ
Great - glad you are enjoying your system - the Maggie’s are a great match with the Bryston. :thumb:
James
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yessir! Miss Maggie and Mr. Bryston are a good match indeed.
every once in awhile I pull out the big Bryston A1 speakers too!
and they ain't no slouch. always surprised with their level of refinement, given the size of the A1 beasts!
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yessir! Miss Maggie and Mr. Bryston are a good match indeed.
every once in awhile I pull out the big Bryston A1 speakers too!
and they ain't no slouch. always surprised with their level of refinement, given the size of the A1 beasts!
Yes I think the Bryston A1 is the Rodney Dangerfield of the speaker line - they do not get the 'respect' they deserve.
james
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no respect at all! good one JT :lol:
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I just had a very enjoyable shopping experience buying a 14B3 here in Switzerland from the excellent Hifi shop Hifi Zurmühle ( https://www.hifi-zm.ch ) in Luzern. I spent about 5 hours in the shop listening to the 14B3 and my old amplifier side-by-side.
The 14B3 is really is an exceptionally good sounding amplifier. I'm replaced my Simaudio Moon W8 with the Bryston 14B3 and I am surprised by the improvement in sound quality.
Well done Bryston - I'm impressed.
Regards
Ron
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Go Canucks!
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Hi Folks,
Have a PDF manual of the new Bryston 9B CUBED 5 channel 200 watt amplifier available.
jamestanner@bryston.com
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Just wanted to praise you guys at Bryston for the amazing cubed series amplifiers!
I have been running for several weeks a pair of 7B3 Cubed mono blocks on my Sonus Faber Olympica 3 speakers. Your amps have replaced my 10 year old MBL 8011am mono amps. These amps listed for 15,000 dollars back then! I have to say the 7B Cubes are a mass improvement. I have lost the bass bloat from the MBLs and gained definition in all frequencies! What makes the 7Bs so special, is the fact they don't call attention to themselves! They just do their job! They will let you know what is connected up stream!
In my case it was a bonus since I am using a EMM labs pre 2 preamp. For digital the New Marantz SA10 flagship player with a VPI turntable. The 7B's have virtually disappeared from the system! I am telling all of my audiophile friends about your products!
Thank you to my Canadian neighbors for making such an incredible product at a very fair price!
Herb from New York!
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(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=196128)
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=196127)
THE VERDICT:
Bryston has built a winner with the 28B cubed amplifiers.
Nothing can touch these in terms of performance for the price.
Just be cautious with the volume control. These produce so much clean power, a dB meter might be a good thing until you get used to just how loud they can play.
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(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=197024)
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston 14B Cubed & Magnepan MG-30
July 2019
James,
We used Bryston.
Dear Inmates,
Once again, extensive use of diffusers (at Codell Audio in Montreal) helps to make some of the best sound I have heard on these tours.
Reference Recordings made at Minnesota Orchestra sound like Jim Winey's 11th row seat (slightly to the right of center)
Wendell Diller,
Magnepan
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Hi James
You make reference to a new 9B3 above. Is there a new 6B3 coming as well? I don't see any details on the Bryston website. Release date(s)?
Still loving my Bryston Active systems.
Tx
Drew
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Hi James
You make reference to a new 9B3 above. Is there a new 6B3 coming as well? I don't see any details on the Bryston website. Release date(s)?
Still loving my Bryston Active systems.
Tx
Drew
Hi Drew
No I think we are going to discontinue the 6B as the new 620B Cubed amplifier is 6 channels at 200 watts and any 2 can be bridged to 350.
Glad you are still enjoying your Bryston Active systems - there is no going back once you have heard a good active system! :thumb:
james
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620B??? More details please! With that being built at behest of Storm Audio and looking at the back panel, does this amp have the same circuit topology as the 9b or is it class D?
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620B??? More details please! With that being built at behest of Storm Audio and looking at the back panel, does this amp have the same circuit topology as the 9b or is it class D?
Hi servingko
Storm approached us about a 6 channel amp (they have Digital amplifiers already) for them and we decided to have our own version as well.
It is a Cubed amplifier but has Ethernet control etc. demanded by the custom installers. In our case there will be a version without fans and a version with fans.
It is at least 6 months out.
james
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Thanks for the update and a fanless version is a must!
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Any update on the 9B3?
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Any update on the 9B3?
Hi
Yes we have shipped a few but are heavily backordered
James
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Woohoo! When will the media hit the website?
I'm excited... means it might be time to upgrade to 9B3 and 4B3 :) :) :)
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Stumbled on this review of 28B3. A hard lesson learned, apparently.
https://www.audio-activity.com/bryston-28bsup3-en.html (https://www.audio-activity.com/bryston-28bsup3-en.html)
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Stumbled on this review of 28B3. A hard lesson learned, apparently.
https://www.audio-activity.com/bryston-28bsup3-en.html (https://www.audio-activity.com/bryston-28bsup3-en.html)
Thanks I had not seen this - re-enforces the fact that there is no better/best in our amplifier selection - just match the power requirement to your speaker needs and there is no performance penalty with lower powered and less expensive versions of Bryston amplifiers.
james
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Hi James
New excellent Review on 3B CUBED in Germany under link:
https://www.fairaudio.de/test/bryston-3b3-endstufe-verstaerker-test/
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Quick 9B3 question for James - I google-found a 9B3 manual, but the 9B3 doesn't show up on Bryston's website? Anyway, the manual shows 200W / ch @ 8 ohms. There's no power rating at 4 ohms though. What would it be? 300W?
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Quick 9B3 question for James - I google-found a 9B3 manual, but the 9B3 doesn't show up on Bryston's website? Anyway, the manual shows 200W / ch @ 8 ohms. There's no power rating at 4 ohms though. What would it be? 300W?
Hi Grit
Yes 300 + watts.
james
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(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=202523)
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Hi Folks,
Great review from Tone Magazine on our Bryston 28B power amplifier - the best 'tweeter' amp in the world !!!
https://www.tonepublications.com/review/brystons-28b-cubed-power-amplifiers/
james
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I'm now a happy owner of a new to me 3B3 which replaced a 2.5BSST2 driving a pair of Mini T's. The sound quality improvement I like best over the 2.5BSST2 is the relaxed nature of the presentation. I find myself listening at lower volume and still being drawn into the music. Smooth, clear and balanced, the 3B3 is most likely my end game amp.
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I'm now a happy owner of a new to me 3B3 which replaced a 2.5BSST2 driving a pair of Mini T's. The sound quality improvement I like best over the 2.5BSST2 is the relaxed nature of the presentation. I find myself listening at lower volume and still being drawn into the music. Smooth, clear and balanced, the 3B3 is most likely my end game amp.
Hi veloceleste
Yes I agree - its one of those things where you assume you have more than enough power with a smaller amp but when you put in the more powerful amp even at lower volumes there seems to be more control and micro detail available.
Enjoy!
james
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Hi guys,
Here is the link.
The video came out great! James!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jFPxCCiMG0&feature=youtu.be
Thanks again,
Jeffrey W. Fritz
Editor-in-Chief
The SoundStage! Network
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Great interview! Thanks by's. Bryston rules!!
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...nice interview :thumb: thanks!!
al.
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MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston 4B Cubed Amplifier – Customer Feedback
July 2020
Hello,
I am sending this message today in appreciation of my brand new Bryston 4B3 which I purchased from Glubes Audio/Video in Dartmouth, Nova Scotia. I have had many different manufacturers of amplifiers in my home audio system over the past 40 years. Up until the addition of the 4B3 I thought my (edit) was a good amp. It has been very reliable and didn't give me any trouble since it was purchased back in 2003. However, when I got my new 4B3 installed last Wednesday I had no idea what I was in for.
This 4B amp has completely transformed my listening experience. Compared to my previous amp the Bryston has lifted a very thick "veil" from the music which I didn't even realize was there. The treble is sweet and extended and not the least bit harsh or aggressive. The midrange is full, but not bloated, with phenomenal vocal performance. The bass? Well what can I say? It litetally knocks you back in your chair!!! It is tight, authoritative and deep with uncanny precision and fantastic detail.
To be frank I am in awe of my new powerhouse!!!
I did not think or even believe that changing to the 4B3 would make such a dramatic difference in my system, but it HAS!!! I had been going along for the past 40 years trying to make my system sound like the demonstration systems at Glubes and never got there. With the addition of my sweet little Bryston I AM there and I could not be happier or more satisfied. I have finally "arrived" in the true high end.
Going forward I can put any loudspeaker I desire into my system and it will sound awesome being driven by my 4B3. Thank you for designing and manufacturing this gorgeous and rock solid amplifier. Anyone who is looking to do an upgrade or are starting out as a novice in the hobby needs to seriously audition your products and when they do they will most likely be purchasing Bryston to make their system sound awesome.
Again, thank you for everything.
Best Regards,
Christopher Richardson
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Just ran across an add on CAM for sale a pair of 28 SST-2 amps for sale but they were upgraded to the cubed series.
On the back of the amps you see the SST-2 and also the Bryston cubed logo,plus he has the SST-2 face plates on instead of the newer cubed series plates.
Did not know you could UPGRADE SSt-2 to Cubed series .
Looks legit and wondering what the upgrade cost would be.
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=211268)
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I would assume these are legit.
Sure wish Bryston did this for older models. I'd be shipping them my pair of 7BSST2's on a Pallet.
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No response as to the upgrade.
I remember a few years back a dealer mentioned the 28 sst2 can be upgraded to the cubed series.
If I’m correct the upgrade was around 1500.00 per amp.
Will find out and post.
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Hi
I think you may be correct Don - let me check with Mike.
james
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Perfect,
Thanks James :thumb:
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Hi Don,
OK I spoke with engineering and we updated a few units early on to new rear panels including the new input circuit.
But we decided not to go forward 'officially' because the price of the modification was not practical and the changes were substantial.
james
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Alas,thanks for looking into it.
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(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=216266)
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Cracking Review on the BP17 & 3B Cubed
November 2020
Hi Folks,
Got this from our friends at PMC:
“Dear Gents
Cracking review on the BP-17 Cubed preamplifier and 3B Cubed Power amplifier from the UK in HiFi Critic Magazine
Keith”
Please email me if you want the PDF
jamestanner@bryston.com
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https://bryston.com/hifi-critic-bp17-and-3b-stereo-amp-review/
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Just reading through the last number of posts. The initial talk of possible upgrades to the SST2 series to cubed got me excited for a few seconds but the balloon burst quickly as I read it wasn't something Bryston decided to go ahead with. Too bad as I have a pair of 28B-SST2 and a pair of 7B-SST2 :)
If the price had of been $1500 per amp, assuming US I would think that would be fair, for me at least :) perhaps not for Bryston it seems, not sure if that was regardless of amp or just for the 28's with the smaller amps being a bit less.
Being able to do that would have been more incentive to take advantage of the 4B trade in program that was offered earlier in the year as that would have been a way of getting to cubed series on all 5 of my amps. That may have also prompted me to send in my BDP-2 to get the BDP-3 upgrades bringing everything up to current spec :)
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Hey Rod_S, I feel ya!
As I recall, James Tanner stated something to the effect that all of the regulartory requirements to get the amp upgrades to pass and be certified made it too expensive to justify. Bryston wanted to and initially intended to. Seemed to be another case of government interceeding (IMO).
- Garrett
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Hi Folks,
Yes Grit is correct. If you change an amplifier all the safety and hydro requirements have to be certified again. This costs thousands of dollars and makes sense for a particular model (ex 4B) but is way too costly for any individual or small number of amplifiers (ex: updates) over and above the cost of the update parts and labour.
james
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Hi Folks,
Interesting comparison between a older 4B and the newest 4B Cubed in Part-Time Audiophile magazine:
https://parttimeaudiophile.com/2021/03/12/bryston-audio-4b%c2%b3-power-amplifier-review/
james
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Well it looks like I will be ordering a new set of Bryston 28B Cubed..........;-)
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Well it looks like I will be ordering a new set of Bryston 28B Cubed..........;-)
Hi There
They will be fabulous with your Model T's
james
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Does anyone have a good picture of the amps in black/....Really hard to see what the new black looks like.
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Hi James
Perhaps you could tell me if the new black on the cubed series looks different than the squared black ?
If so ,how would you describe it?
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Hi James
Perhaps you could tell me if the new black on the cubed series looks different than the squared black ?
If so ,how would you describe it?
Hi oldguy,
The Black is the same as it has always been over the different series.
james
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James....It's official......The order for the 28's are in....!!! Going with Black with handles.
:popcorn:
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James....It's official......The order for the 28's are in....!!! Going with Black with handles.
:popcorn:
Excellent - :thumb:
Who did you order through and I will keep a lookout for you.
james
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It was with Mark Jones Audio.
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HI James......do you sell dust covers for your amps?
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HI James......do you sell dust covers for your amps?
Sorry I did not know we ever did - enlighten me please. :)
james
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Ok.....Guess that's a no.......i can't be the only one who would buy a dust cover? If you sold them that is. :o
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Ok.....Guess that's a no.......i can't be the only one who would buy a dust cover? If you sold them that is. :o
Amp covers would be an interesting idea although I am not sure what the market would be. If you are worried about dust getting into the vents when not in use a simple lint-free towel could work.
Best,
John
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Look on Ebay. You can find nice covers for Bryston amps (and other manufacturers).
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Take a look or see how much heat the amps put out,IMAGINE with a cover :duh:.
Towel :duh: :duh:.
Dust them off with a swiffer.
Even an an enclosed cabinet can make them over heat(depending on size).
Mine are open on all sides no troubles since 2006.
Personally some of the Q+As are WTF.
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Take a look or see how much heat the amps put out,IMAGINE with a cover :duh:.
Towel :duh: :duh:.
Dust them off with a swiffer.
Even an an enclosed cabinet can make them over heat(depending on size).
Mine are open on all sides no troubles since 2006.
Personally some of the Q+As are WTF.
I guess I should have said.......for when they are not on? Only when I am away!!!! i would imagine there are some who would actually use them with a cover while in operation!!! :lol:
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If you want to order some custom-size dust covers, DigitalDeckCovers (https://www.digitaldeckcovers.com) is a good resource. Very reasonable pricing and good service.
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Here is a picture of the Bryston 28B top being cut in the Doosan at our factory.
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=229434)
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If you want to order some custom-size dust covers, DigitalDeckCovers (https://www.digitaldeckcovers.com) is a good resource. Very reasonable pricing and good service.
I'll second Digital Deck Covers as a good source for covers. I bought many from them to protect my entire system.
Their prices are reasonable, and the cover(s) will be to the exact sizes and specs you specify.
They can be gotten without their company logos on them, be sure to specify that should you order from them, and don't want logos.
You do the measuring, and one can account for bottom feet that the cover can be made a bit taller to fully cover the Amps.
I had many of my covers from them designed with an open flap on back. This permits the covers to be easily put on, and removed with less effort, and the flap allows clearance for cables, but still coverage and dust protection of all cables exiting the back of a component.
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Under no circumstance would I put a cover over any amp.
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Under no circumstance would I put a cover over any amp.
Yeah, seems like the worst idea in the world. It only takes one of the kids to inadvertently turn on an amp and your house could burn down.
What possible benefit could come from a dust cover. I've removed the lids on Bryson amps after 20 years and they're pristine as if manufactured yesterday.
brucek
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Well, Bryston amps have a thermal shutdown protection feature. But dust covers can help if you are worried about something falling into the amplifier when unattended or not in use, be it small physical objects or liquid. It's a calculation each person will need to make for themselves.
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Yeah, seems like the worst idea in the world. It only takes one of the kids to inadvertently turn on an amp and your house could burn down.
What possible benefit could come from a dust cover. I've removed the lids on Bryson amps after 20 years and they're pristine as if manufactured yesterday.
brucek
Simple ....i don't have kids and guess what .....no dust!!!
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On the subject of the old vs the Cubed series amplifiers, I had hung on to a 2B-LP for an eternity and finally replaced it with the 2.5B Cubed. The old amp had been recapped and verified to be working as new by Bryston and I had expected a worthwhile improvement in clarity and realism from the new one. In fact, the improvement was not just significant but at least to me, unimaginable. It's in a system with all up to date Bryston equipment so it was the definitely the weak link. This may imply that Bryston is doing a better job now but I recall that the 2B, 3B and 4B were audibly and measurably superior to competing products in the 80s so we're just seeing the results of a company that refused to stop searching for better ways to do things.
So would I say the old models are obsolete? If you or a friend have a name brand receiver, a 2B and .4B will be a revelation and I always recommend them to anyone whose budget or priorities preclude buying the new stuff.
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(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=230857)
The cat knows PURRRFECT sound when he hears it ! :lol:
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Personally some of the Q+As are WTF.
:lol:
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(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=231712)
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I cannot resist..
As a 20+ year Bryston 7B ST user and a registered (mosty silent) member of this forum since 2005, I was triggered by the new Cubed series and the extra sound quality that they could bring to my system. I had a short home audition of the 4B3 but did not like the idea of going from monoblocks to a single amplifier having just made some investments in $$$$ cables. So when I read someones advice here of always going for one model higher than you need I took the plunge and decided to order the mightly 28B3 amplifiers that will never have me thinking about about upgrading again. Oh, and since my cd player was misbehaving I ordered a BCD-3 as well. These will be my first new Bryston gear as the 7B ST's and BP26 were demo's and 2nd hand.
The long wait is real..!
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I cannot resist..
As a 20+ year Bryston 7B ST user and a registered (mosty silent) member of this forum since 2005, I was triggered by the new Cubed series and the extra sound quality that they could bring to my system. I had a short home audition of the 4B3 but did not like the idea of going from monoblocks to a single amplifier having just made some investments in $$$$ cables. So when I read someones advice here of always going for one model higher than you need I took the plunge and decided to order the mightly 28B3 amplifiers that will never have me thinking about about upgrading again. Oh, and since my cd player was misbehaving I ordered a BCD-3 as well. These will be my first new Bryston gear as the 7B ST's and BP26 were demo's and 2nd hand.
The long wait is real..!
:thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
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Hi,
First post here - very happy owner of a Bryston 4BSST2 and a PowerPac300 driving PMC main and center speakers. The set-up has served me admirably for around a decade, and am contemplating next steps.
I have a question for the group based on what appears to be a trend towards lower impedance loudspeakers over the past decade or so. Within the Bryston range, which amps are best suited to these current-demanding speakers?
Thanks in advance for any thoughts or feedback.
More detailed background to question (for those interested): with speaker sensitivities being measured as 2.83V rather than 1W, it seems speaker manufacturers are driving towards lower and lower impedances to make their speakers 'appear' more efficient. 2.83W is equivalent to 1W at 8 ohms, but is 2 watts at 4 ohms, and so on.... Looking at recent review measurements, it's not uncommon to see speaker impedances <3-4 ohms for much of the frequency range, which when coupled to phase angle, can lead to equivalent peak dissipation resistances of down to 1 ohm. If an amp shows specified powers to 8 ohms and 4 ohms, how does one go about predicting ability to drive impedances below that?
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Hi jbc
I agree…it’s confusing and there are many factors that will influence which amplifiers will drive a particular set of loudspeakers well.
2.83Vrms is commonly used as a standard reference voltage, even though you are correct that it would result in more than 1W into anything other than an 8 ohm loudspeaker. However, we need to keep in mind that the impedance AND the phase angle are constantly changing over the operating bandwidth of the loudspeaker. An 8 ohm speaker is only nominally 8 ohms…it can dip as low as 80% of the nominal value and the skies the limit on how high it might go.
But none of this answers your question of how to predict an amplifiers drive capability or compatibility with a particular set of loudspeakers. If you see a spec for the amplifier output rated into 2 ohms, that would suggest it should not have an issue driving the majority of loudspeakers. Phase-angle tolerance is another matter, and there is usually no spec that can give us that information. As always, I recommend talking to owners, dealers, and looking for reviews with comprehensive measurements to determine potential compatibility with your loudspeakers.
For Bryston amplifiers, it’s unlikely you’re going to run into a drive issue for the majority of loudspeakers on the market.
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Thanks James,
Quick and helpful reply. The 4BSST2 has consistently maintained excellent musical control over my PMC speakers... so much so that my brother also has Bryston-powered PMC speakers.
Best,
JBC
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(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=233640)
Why? The purpose of a cover is for protection.
What I began noticing with my 7BSST2 Amps, was starting to see an accumulation of dust on and in between the side cooling fins.
At the time I was living in a quite dusty location. As I mentioned earlier, I chose to have covers made for all my main system components. The time involved to remove and replace them takes very little time that doesn't bother me in the slightest. And the costs for such were not significant.
No one else ever touches my system, so why the worry? I think it would be rare that an owner would be that ignorant not to remove a cover prior to use.
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@James - Merry Christmas and happy new year!
Due to space constraint, I have to place 4B Cube amp face down vertically. The amp's face is facing the floor and it is supported by Isoacoustic pucks. When I touch the amp, it is luke warm.
Just want to check with you if that the vertical placement negatively impacts the amps performance or longevity.
Thanks!
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@James - Merry Christmas and happy new year!
Due to space constraint, I have to place 4B Cube amp face down vertically. The amp's face is facing the floor and it is supported by Isoacoustic pucks. When I touch the amp, it is luke warm.
Just want to check with you if that the vertical placement negatively impacts the amps performance or longevity.
Thanks!
Hi - it should be fine as it does not appear it is heating up at all. The heatsinks are designed to allow for maximum convection cooling if the normal position.
james
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Hi,
I am considering getting a Cubed amp for my headphone setup, RAAL SR1a. I was wondering if the Cubed amps support hooking up 2 preamps at the same time. That is 1 via XLR and the other via RCA, with only 1 preamp turned on. The input source on the Cubed amp would set to either XLR or RCA to match the ON preamp.
I used to own a Parasound A21+ amp, and even though they had a switch similar to Bryston Cubed amps, they said not to hookup both XLR and RCA at the same time. It was said to degrade the sonic quality of the amp.
The reason I am asking is that I want to hookup the cables only once and use the amp input selector switch when I want to alternate preamps.
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Hi,
I am considering getting a Cubed amp for my headphone setup, RAAL SR1a. I was wondering if the Cubed amps support hooking up 2 preamps at the same time. That is 1 via XLR and the other via RCA, with only 1 preamp turned on. The input source on the Cubed amp would set to either XLR or RCA to match the ON preamp.
I used to own a Parasound A21+ amp, and even though they had a switch similar to Bryston Cubed amps, they said not to hookup both XLR and RCA at the same time. It was said to degrade the sonic quality of the amp.
The reason I am asking is that I want to hookup the cables only once and use the amp input selector switch when I want to alternate preamps.
Hi YYZ
Yes you can hook up that way. I have a similar setup in my one room with a balanced BR20 and a BR26 RCA.
james
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Thanks James.
Time for me to get back into the Bryston family.
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I am considering getting a Cubed amp for my headphone setup, RAAL SR1a.
Very curious to hear your impressions on the SR1a pairing, as I have one but with their HSA-1b amp.
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I am telling this to anyone on the fence.....................The Cubed is where it's at!!!!! Incredible!!!! Clear, smooth, articulate! My new 28's have that X factor!!!
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8) Thank You :-)
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ENJOY! - Brandon
james
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ENJOY! - Brandon
james
Thank you James.......Can't wait till I REALLY get a chance to listen.But from my very brief time I had last night it was a revelation.
It really is a major step forward in the world of amps. What struck me last night was a much higher level of nuance and sophistication in the details.
I can see myself getting engrossed to Music through Bryston in a whole new way!!!!This is my forever amp!!!
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Thank you James.......Can't wait till I REALLY get a change to listen.But from my very brief time I had last night it was a revelation.
It really is a major step forward in the world of amps. What struck me last night was a much higher level of nuance and sophistication in the details.
I can see myself getting engrossed to Music through Bryston in a whole new way!!!!This is my forever amp!!!
I agree - the ability of the amplifier to deep dive into the micro details is revolutionary :thumb:
james
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So here's the story thus far in an audio room(Converted bedroom) far far away lol. Had a friend over who also is in to the audio world side of things. Never told him I had the amps on order.....it's been about 8 months that I never said a word about them being on order. So I told him that I did a tweak to the system and that he should have a listen. So as to get an honest opinion he blindfolded himself and sat down to have a listen....He said there was more detail, very clear, more of a 3d effect and that sound seem to come from no where, that the sound stage was very wide, and that it was the best he ever heard it at my place. The first thing that got his attention was that he heard details that he had never heard before.
Clearly a new standard with the cubed even from the Blind-Folded ;-)
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Great feedback - thanks !
james
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Just telling it like it is ...fantastic Amps
By the way, in my picture i am the second from the left ;-)
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Hey James. This seems like an opportune time to jump in and ask for some help.
I’m building a new 2ch system around a pair of 4 ohm / 90 dB Spatial M4 and have zeroed in / obsessed over several very different amps. One of those is the 2.5B3 which has been more frustrating than the others in that there isn’t a lot of chatter or reviews of this model and nothing I’ve found relate to my wants including the B135 or any other cubed models.
Maybe it’s enough to say my preferences are more tube like, at least as it relates to power requirements. I want all the imaging, 3D sound stage, space, detail, dynamics, low end grunt, etc but at life size SPL - my nirvana. Yeah, I’ll occasionally crank it up but my critical listening comfort zone doesn’t bother the neighbors or my wife or further damage these aging ears.
I’d very much appreciate any comments you can offer but would also appreciate references to any material that will help me, and hopefully others, to understand Bryston philosophy and cubed. I’ve stumbled on informative podcasts and YouTube videos in the past that I can’t find again.
Many thanks,
Allan
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Hi Allan
Bryston's philosophy is pretty simple - Linear or Accurate reproduction of the input signal based on the current start of the art.
So if a customer is looking for a specific sound or coloration we are the wrong choice.
If you want to know - good or bad - what the source component is doing we are the correct choice.
best
james
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Thank you for your response James. Coloration is undesirable. Just the good, the bad, and the ugly.
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RTFB. The sticky “BRYSTON CUBED AMPLIFIER PHILOSOPHY” was right under my nose. Funny thing is I remember reading this but not where I came across it the first time.