Crown XLS- for the rest of us!

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roscoeiii

Re: Crown XLS- for the rest of us!
« Reply #380 on: 29 Nov 2014, 10:09 pm »
Let's arrange a visit on my next trip to KC.

Tomy2Tone

Re: Crown XLS- for the rest of us!
« Reply #381 on: 29 Nov 2014, 10:19 pm »
Tough to type with my jaw on the floor... :D

Naw, just out of town in KC visiting my sister. But getting some exciting new speakers on the ride back (which like high damping factor according to the manufacturer) so should have lots to report back on.  :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:

Hmmm....were you by chance stopping in St. Louis on this ride back home?  :D


a.wayne

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Re: Crown XLS- for the rest of us!
« Reply #382 on: 29 Nov 2014, 11:25 pm »
Nah , he was eating up the free turkey .............   :shh:

roscoeiii

Re: Crown XLS- for the rest of us!
« Reply #383 on: 30 Nov 2014, 12:05 am »
Hmmm....were you by chance stopping in St. Louis on this ride back home?  :D

Nope,  swinging  thru Arkansas instead  to pick up the new speakers

Folsom

Re: Crown XLS- for the rest of us!
« Reply #384 on: 30 Nov 2014, 01:08 am »
Someone move to MT...

Tomy2Tone

Re: Crown XLS- for the rest of us!
« Reply #385 on: 30 Nov 2014, 01:18 am »
Someone move to MT...

Hey Salis, are you willing and able to share your tweak on the xls? Or should that be reserved for a pm?


Folsom

Re: Crown XLS- for the rest of us!
« Reply #386 on: 30 Nov 2014, 02:05 am »
Unfortunately almost no parts are available for this unit. However the power section proved tamable.

The most important thing is dampening the CMC's. The key to this is using correctly sized resistors, that are safe. I'm using 3w flameproof ones. Carbon comp would be ideal for extreme voltage but unavailable in higher safe wattage. This is a very apparent improvement.

The next thing I did. I removed the Y caps on line. This is debatable but ultimately I think wise so long as you don't seek approval as a new product. However it may have originally been done out of practice.

Here's where it gets more interesting... I replaced the trashy diode bridge and decoupled it in a non-typical way. I'm not a fan of caps across diodes, but when using fast soft closing ones I've found AC side decoupling is great. There's overall less diode noise, at a minor expense of increased inductance. As far as I can tell it was more than worth trading off a stiff ringing power supply for a little inductance.

It's not burned in, but it's listenable now. I might see if I can figure out how to connect it to a friends more high end system to see if he can be converted to the dark side since he's got a 300w heater for an amp ATM. He'll give some real feedback.

Folsom

Re: Crown XLS- for the rest of us!
« Reply #387 on: 30 Nov 2014, 02:11 am »






cab

Re: Crown XLS- for the rest of us!
« Reply #388 on: 30 Nov 2014, 02:13 am »

It's not burned in, but it's listenable now.

So while some here have been heaping praise on this amp and replacing amps that cost several times as much with it, you have found it "unlistenable" in its stock form?

Quite a disparity in opinion.

Folsom

Re: Crown XLS- for the rest of us!
« Reply #389 on: 30 Nov 2014, 02:19 am »
So while some here have been heaping praise on this amp and replacing amps that cost several times as much with it, you have found it "unlistenable" in its stock form?

Quite a disparity in opinion.

Everyone likes it in stock form after being burned in. Prior to that it's not up to snuff. My modded version is pleasant without burn in.

So I wouldn't phrase it how you did.

rodge827

Re: Crown XLS- for the rest of us!
« Reply #390 on: 30 Nov 2014, 02:27 am »
Nope,  swinging  thru Arkansas instead  to pick up the new speakers

What are picking up...please tell?

roscoeiii

Re: Crown XLS- for the rest of us!
« Reply #391 on: 30 Nov 2014, 02:31 am »
I don't want to jinx it until they are in my car...

Tomy2Tone

Re: Crown XLS- for the rest of us!
« Reply #392 on: 30 Nov 2014, 02:34 am »
Doh! Good try Chris.  :D

rodge827

Re: Crown XLS- for the rest of us!
« Reply #393 on: 30 Nov 2014, 02:44 am »
I don't want to jinx it until they are in my car...

Ok some Questions:

1) Are they from a manufacturer?
2) Private sale?
3) Monitors?
4) Floorstanders?
5) Horns?
6) Electrostats?




roscoeiii

Re: Crown XLS- for the rest of us!
« Reply #394 on: 30 Nov 2014, 02:51 am »
MY ANSWERS IN CAPS

Ok some Questions:

1) Are they from a manufacturer? NO
2) Private sale? YES
3) Monitors? NO
4) Floorstanders? YES
5) Horns? NO, BUT THEY ARE WAVEGUIDES
6) Electrostats? NO


THEY ARE A MANUFACTURER/MODEL OWNED BY SOME WELL KNOWN ACers...

Tomy2Tone

Re: Crown XLS- for the rest of us!
« Reply #395 on: 30 Nov 2014, 02:58 am »
MY ANSWERS IN CAPS

Ok some Questions:

1) Are they from a manufacturer? NO
2) Private sale? YES
3) Monitors? NO
4) Floorstanders? YES
5) Horns? NO, BUT THEY ARE WAVEGUIDES
6) Electrostats? NO


THEY ARE A MANUFACTURER/MODEL OWNED BY SOME WELL KNOWN ACers...

Audio Kinesis?

Whatever they are, hope they work out well for you!  :)

Folsom

Re: Crown XLS- for the rest of us!
« Reply #396 on: 30 Nov 2014, 03:00 am »
Tomy, is that info you wanted?

The old bridge took some work to have cleaned out and removed. Also don't fool around with lead free solder if you aren't familiar; practice on something else.

Tomy2Tone

Re: Crown XLS- for the rest of us!
« Reply #397 on: 30 Nov 2014, 03:03 am »
Tomy, is that info you wanted?

The old bridge took some work to have cleaned out and removed. Also don't fool around with lead free solder if you aren't familiar; practice on something else.

Yes. I'm not very experienced at DIY stuff but willing to learn.

Are you returning the xls back to Ozarktom or are you keeping it? Would be interesting to know what he thinks as well.

Folsom

Re: Crown XLS- for the rest of us!
« Reply #398 on: 30 Nov 2014, 03:09 am »
Returning it. I'd like to evaluate it on a better stereo than mine, as I said. I think Tom will let me borrow it a bit longer as he did get free guinea pig mods  8)

roscoeiii

Re: Crown XLS- for the rest of us!
« Reply #399 on: 30 Nov 2014, 03:12 am »
Audio Kinesis?

Whatever they are, hope they work out well for you!  :)

Nope but good guess. Duke is a fan of these speakers.

another hint: transmission line bass