Incredible Raidho C1.1 Speakers

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Dracule1

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Incredible Raidho C1.1 Speakers
« on: 28 Mar 2012, 02:41 am »
I had the opportunity to audition this unique 2 way all by my lonesome (except for the dealer who was kind enough to remain invisible most of the time) with my own music. The speakers were hooked up to all Rowland electronics (monoblock amps, Criterion preamp, and new DAC) via top of the line Nordost cables. The room was a large open room with minimal room treatment. Unfortunately, there was a litter of speakers in between the C1.1s, like in most dealer show rooms.  How do these speakers in this system stack up to my Ridge Street Audio Design Sasons in my system?

I compared this "system" to my home system that I have been tweeking for the past two years with extensive room treatment (GIK acoustics), different cabling (Ridge Street Audio), amps (Carver Cherry 180 and Atma-Sphere M60), DACs (DAD Tube 10 and Tranquility SE), and preamps (Bent Audio Tap X, Dodd Audio Battery Buffer).

The C1.1 system (from now on I'll just refer to it as C1.1), despite being in a dealer room setting, came pretty close to my home system, and in one regard surpassed my system. First, the C1.1 midrange is neutral without sounding thin or harmonically bleached. My system has just a little bit more bloom in the midrange due to the tube DAC and tube amps. Midrange clarity was pretty close, may be the slightest advantage to the C1.1s. Vocals were just captivating with the C1.1s. Classical guitar was the most neutral I've come across.

Bass is more extended in my system (subjectively down to mid 30s), but the C1.1s are bit more punchy and dynamic (may be the solid state electronics have something to do with this). The Sasons and C1.1s are remarkable in the mid and upper bass information, and as such both systems have excellent bass definition and harmonics. I didn't think the C1.1s required subwoofers, unless you want to play organ or classical music and rock music to near concert hall levels.

Where the C1.1s surpass my system with most recordings is in the high frequencies. That planar magnetic tweeter is a remarkable. It is smooth, extended, and detailed a the same time. I did not get fatigued at any point in the session, except when a cut from The Who was played, but not unexpected from a 70s rock recording. The silk dome tweeters in my Sasons were outclassed. As far as silk dome tweeters go, the Sason tweeters are some of the best of its breed and integrate seamlessly with the mid/woofer. However, the C1.1 tweeters integrates seamlessly with the ceramic sandwich mid/woofer just as well, but with more detail and extension without calling attention. The microdynamics and detail in the upper midrange and treble are some of the best I've heard, equaling some of the finest electrostats and ribbon speakers.

In terms of sound staging and imaging, the upper hand goes to my system. My room has been tweeked for two years to bring out the best I can attain from my system. The Sasons in my room throw a taller, deeper and more layered soundstage. The C1.1s seemed to throw a little wider sound stage in the dealer room. Imaging is natural in both systems. Not over blown or microscopically pin point. However, the comparison is not unfair because of the two very different rooms, and the C1.1s were hampered by all the other speakers that were place in between them.

My overall impression: The C1.1 speaker is one of the few speakers out there that I would think about plunking down over $15k. Another speaker I would consider would be the Maggie 20.7s, but these are altogether different speakers with different set of requirements. It's very expensive for a 2 way (but not ridiculous like the Magico Q1s). Despite its performance, I'm still having a difficult time justifying the price of the speakers. The C1.1 system did not clearly best my system except for the upper frequencies, but the comparison is not really valid given the large differences in electronics and room. I think the Sasons are intrinsically slightly warmer speakers, although only side by side comparisons with the same electronics will tell. But I have this nagging feeling, if I were to hook the C1.1s in my system, the overall advantage (at least in terms of what I consider important in music reproduction) will go to the C1.1s.

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Re: Incredible Raidho C1.1 Speakers
« Reply #1 on: 28 Mar 2012, 05:04 am »
JV of TAS seems completely in love with the C1.1s.


http://www.avguide.com/blog/first-listen-raidho-acoustics-c11-mini-monitor

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Re: Incredible Raidho C1.1 Speakers
« Reply #2 on: 28 Mar 2012, 06:06 pm »
nice write up
I have heard these & agree
they are quite remarkable.
I asked on another thread if
the Designer of VAPOR AUDIO
had considered these (this driver)
for his AT/RAAL speaker.

My Only reservation is pure physics.


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Re: Incredible Raidho C1.1 Speakers
« Reply #3 on: 28 Mar 2012, 08:37 pm »
Hi Carl, the Raidho drivers, both the mid/woofer and planar tweeter are proprietary Raidho designs made by Raidho and are not available to other manufacturers.  So I doubt if Vapor audio could even get these drivers for evaluation.

Not sure what you mean by "My Only resevation is pure physics".   Could you explain?

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Re: Incredible Raidho C1.1 Speakers
« Reply #4 on: 28 Mar 2012, 10:46 pm »
I believe at one time the tweeter was available for purchase.
My memory could be fuzzy here.
Physics.....there is only so much we can expect from
a certain size driver, certain sized box & a 2 way...at least
I believe that to be true.  Regardless on the 2 occasions
I have heard them they were wonderful.

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Re: Incredible Raidho C1.1 Speakers
« Reply #5 on: 29 Mar 2012, 01:22 am »
Ah... I see what you mean about physics.  But the C1.1s has surprising output for their size.  I guess it adds to the overall illusion you are not listening to a pair of speakers.  But I still think they are priced too high. Lower the price to around $12k and you've got a winner.

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Re: Incredible Raidho C1.1 Speakers
« Reply #6 on: 29 Mar 2012, 01:41 am »
Sorry this is one more expensive speakers brand, there is no secret in doing a great audio equip with a hi price, there is alot of then.
Difficult is to make a hi-end equipment at low prices.

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Re: Incredible Raidho C1.1 Speakers
« Reply #7 on: 29 Mar 2012, 01:48 am »
Agreed, but I've not heard a speaker that performs like the C1.1s for several thousand dollars.    May be my rebuilt Quad 57 ($4500) may equal or surpass them, but I have not set up my 57s yet.

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Re: Incredible Raidho C1.1 Speakers
« Reply #8 on: 11 Apr 2012, 03:37 pm »
My system has undergone an update. Very simple but very revealing. My amplifier, Carver Cherry 180 tube monoblocks, comes with not so special stock volume pots at the input. I had them replaced with Gold Point stepped attenuators. I'm going direct from my DAC to amp now. The treble advantage that I thought the C1.1 system had over my speaker is no longer there. My system is as clean and detailed as the C1.1 system I heard in the audition. The bass response also has improved along with dynamics and is better than what I heard in the audition. There is no advantage I hear from the C1.1 system compared to mine. Actually I prefer my system.