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Industry Circles => Bryston Limited => Topic started by: Laundrew on 11 Nov 2010, 09:51 pm
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I have noticed lately an interest in vehicles here on the Bryston Circle - alright, what would you like to have in the driveway :scratch:
Be well...
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(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=38474)
63 Split Window Coup
james
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:thumb:
I'll take a 64-67 Stingray also. Rather have a convertible.
My neighbor has an unrestored 427 Cobra that is really nice...
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(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=38477)
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Oh yeah I like the GT40 :thumb: for serious HP driving
But for driving to the market I'd like the INVICTA S1-600 (http://www.rsportscars.com/invicta/2006-invicta-s1-600/) with the 600hp engine option
(http://cdn-www.rsportscars.com/images/invicta/2006-invicta-s1-600/invictas106_03_w800.jpg)
(http://cdn-www.rsportscars.com/images/invicta/2006-invicta-s1-600/invictas106_02_w800.jpg)
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(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=38478)
I had one of these when I was a MUCH younger man.
1967 Chevelle Malibu Convertable
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(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=18115)
great cars and great pics
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kqn6EtxgdcM&NR=1
Take a Look Here !
Robert :thumb:
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(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=21202)
Audi R8 v10
Robert
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(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=38479)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=38480)
I have always been a James Bond Fan DB9 ASTON MARTIN
Robert
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In my father's garage - not a pic of his car, but his is pretty much identical, except his is a bit darker green. As good as it looks in a picture, it looks so much better in person.
1971 Mercedes 280 SL...
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=38481)
I've never seen one of these in person, but I'm pretty sure this would be the car I'd get if I could get any car I wanted
1955 Mercedes 300 SL Gullwing...
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=38482)
I live in the suburbs of NYC, so I see a ton of high end exotic cars. The Aston Martins, Maserattis, Ferraris, et al are all nice, but this one turns my head every time. I'm just mesmerized by it for some reason unbeknownst to me, so I guess it has to be my dream car.
Bentley Continental GT...
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=38483)
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A really cool car that's a bit under the radar for some reason.
2010 Lotus Elise...
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=38486)
As far as sports cars go, it's pretty cheap - between $47k and $55k. They're very sharp in person.
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(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=38487)
Aside from my dream vehicle being a very cool ride, a hearse is also a most practical vehicle.
1. If it breaks down and strands you by the side of the road - you have ample space to lie down while waiting for the tow truck to arrive.
2. Parents will no longer allow their children to play ball hockey in your driveway.
3. Canvassers may think twice before they ring your doorbell.
4. Wondering how you will get your building supplies back from Home Depot will no longer be an issue.
5. You can supplement your income by making deliveries for your local funeral home during peak times and on the bright side, your passenger will not “yap” your ears off during the trip.
6. You will not look out of place or somewhat “odd” during your picnics at your favourite cemetery.
7. People will point and stare - but that’s OK since they do that when you are out walking the dog anyway.
Be well…
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(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=38487)
Aside from my dream vehicle being a very cool ride, a hearse is also a most practical vehicle.
1. If it breaks down and strands you by the side of the road - you have ample space to lie down while waiting for the tow truck to arrive.
2. Parents will no longer allow their children to play ball hockey in your driveway.
3. Canvassers may think twice before they ring your doorbell.
4. Wondering how you will get your building supplies back from Home Depot will no longer be an issue.
5. You can supplement your income by making deliveries for your local funeral home during peak times and on the bright side, your passenger will not “yap” your ears off during the trip.
6. You will not look out of place or somewhat “odd” during your picnics at your favourite cemetery.
7. People will point and stare - but that’s OK since they do that when you are out walking the dog anyway.
Be well…
Andy, you are a riot! But I know the truth and that is your dream car is a '99 Corolla and as a close second any year's rendition of the P.T. Cruiser. BTW, my daughter is with you all the way. She calls it the P. T. Luiser :thumb:
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Hi all.
Winning 1 million plus USD, I could afford to buy one or several exotics Italian cars, but that's not for me. I would like to have in my driveway a Ford Thunderbird 1963, (Red or white) the most beautiful car ever built on this planet.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=38492)
There are still plenty of those in the USA and you can get one for less than the cost of a Ferrari.
I will keep buying lotery tickets.
Guy 13
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For me nothing to exotic a 1973 orange Corvette
I believe the blonde was an option that year
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=38494)
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I'm not really lusting after a new car right now. With infinite funds I might do something stoopid like a Carera GT, but as far as reasonably practical rides go, depending on how the depreciate over the next 3 years, I could see myself replacing my 2003 BMW 540i with an M3.
(http://www.bimmerpost.com/images/m3post4.jpg)
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Just found my newest dream ride...
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=38497)
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Couldn't not share this...
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=38498)
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Any race car, either open wheel or close wheel. Of course, I'll need the appropriate motor home and trailer to haul it to the track.
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Just found my newest dream ride...
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=38497)
Hi Stu Pitt.
Yes, I want one like that.
That's exactly what I was looking for.
Does it come with air conditionning ?
How many watts for the amplifier?
Is it T amp or Class D amp or SE tube amp. ?
The drivers are they GR Research in an open baffle configuration?
How many weeks for delivery?
Can I pay with the local money here? (Vietnam Dong)
Ha, ha, ha...
Guy 13
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I currently (since new) a Ford Contour SVT.
I would like to have a Cadillac CTS-V
I cannot stand driving cars with automatic transmissions...
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Perfect for Canadian winters. Doesn't need no stinkin' winter tires. And protects you from those driving on summer ones.
(http://)
Nap.
:tempted:
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A Caterham Seven.
http://www.uscaterham.com/
I also like the GT-40 (new and old), the Porsche 917, Shelby Mustang GT-350R, and the Jag Mk IV.
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I'm a huge fan of 911s. Looking forward to the next gen, which will be coming out fairly soon. Turbo, GT-2, GT-3. . .not the mild-mannered regular ol' 911. :lol:
(http://www.motoryp.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/2010_porsche_911_turbo.jpg)
I would also love to have Porsche's soon to be produced super-fast hybrid, the 918 Spyder.
(http://dekstopwallpaper.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/porsche-918-spyder-hybrid.jpg)
Wouldn't mind the new Ferrari 458 Italia, either.
(http://www.roadandtrack.com/var/ezflow_site/storage_RT_NEW/storage/images/tests/impressions/2010-ferrari-458-italia2/1504063-2-eng-US/2010-ferrari-458-italia.jpg)
Paul
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Andy, you are a riot! But I know the truth and that is your dream car is a '99 Corolla and as a close second any year's rendition of the P.T. Cruiser. BTW, my daughter is with you all the way. She calls it the P. T. Luiser :thumb:
Bryston amplifiers in my Xanadu and a 1999 Corolla in the driveway - I am most truly blessed. The role of my wife's PT Cruiser is not to let it all go to my head.
:D :thumb:
Be well...
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That's an easy desicion for me, it would be a Pagani Zonda R.
http://www.paganiautomobili.it/english.htm (http://www.paganiautomobili.it/english.htm)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goGqQoGcgj0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goGqQoGcgj0)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=38521)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=38522)
Wayne.
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Perfect for Canadian winters. Doesn't need no stinkin' winter tires. And protects you from those driving on summer ones.
(http://)
Nap.
:tempted:
Hi Napalm.
I am a Canadian from Montreal, therefore I know exactly what you mean when you talk about winter.
I am now living in Vietnam and a vehicule like that would be very useful to protect me from all those Vietnamese driving the wrong way and bumping into me. Last time a Vietnamese bump into me a spent a week at the hospital.
However, I wonder how many miles per gallon that thing does? Probably you need to stay within one mile from a gas station.
Guy 13
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(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=38524)
dont really care much about cars at all......kinda bore me actually......as long as it runs and i feel somewhat safe......this one seems nice and safe.
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I've owned several Volvos, Volks. Don't let their nice and safe reputation fool you, their performance is easily on par with their safety. I miss my 850 Turbo and 740 Turbo. Both went over 250k miles. The 850 was totaled by my brother 5 days after I gave it to him. The 740's owner reported 325k miles and no issues last I sopke to him.
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The Allard Motor Works J2X MKII
Revived by facilities out of Montreal and Champlain, NY. And Modernized.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=38525)
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The Allard Motor Works J2X MKII
Revived by facilities out of Montreal and Champlain, NY. And Modernized.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=38525)
Hi all.
Does it come with umbrellas?
Nice ride, however, I don't see any ways to put a top on that car, what happen when it rains?
Guy 13
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That's an easy desicion for me, it would be a Pagani Zonda R.
http://www.paganiautomobili.it/english.htm (http://www.paganiautomobili.it/english.htm)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goGqQoGcgj0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goGqQoGcgj0)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=38521)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=38522)
Wayne.
Go....FULL SCREEN.....for the total experience.... :wink:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPd0ATqvoJM&NR=1
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1927 Bugatti
(http://pic.phyrefile.com/a/an/anonymous/2008/10/12/DSC_2964_1927_Bugatti_Type_35b.jpg)
I actually owned one of these for 4-5 years- sold it and bought a house.
(http://media.canada.com/267c54bd-63f5-4113-9b72-08e5f2aaa7c2/cns-reflect.jpg)
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1927 Bugatti
(http://pic.phyrefile.com/a/an/anonymous/2008/10/12/DSC_2964_1927_Bugatti_Type_35b.jpg)
I actually owned one of these for 4-5 years- sold it and bought a house.
(http://media.canada.com/267c54bd-63f5-4113-9b72-08e5f2aaa7c2/cns-reflect.jpg)
Hi Clark.
Why did you sell one of those beauties to buy a house ?
I could sleep or even live in one of those !
I could, sleep and eat in the Thunderbird.
Guy 13
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However, I wonder how many miles per gallon that thing does? Probably you need to stay within one mile from a gas station.
Guy 13
It has a range of about 200 miles, you have a choice of a gas turbine or diesel engine, but basically you get something like 1 mile / gallon. And it takes like 10 gallons for a cold start of the turbine. It just has huge fuel tanks lol.
But beware that you will need to learn how to use the driving controls:
(http://)
As with any modern american technology, it has a "Reset" button that you need to press from time to time in order to keep things going.
Nap. :P
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There is an old saying that is absolutely true about owning a classic car... The two best days that you'll have are the day you buy it and the day you sell it. I had a '55 T Bird just like the one in the picture. It was all original, which meant a 6V electrical system, that barely had enough power to turn the engine over. The wife wouldn't drive it after getting stranded a couple of times, and finally, it sat in the garage. The year came that I didn't even put 1000 miles on it, so it was time for it to go... But man, that car would run like a bat out of hell :icon_twisted:
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RE: Allard J2X
Hi all.
Does it come with umbrellas?
Nice ride, however, I don't see any ways to put a top on that car, what happen when it rains?
Guy 13
Guy,
You pull over, get a room, and spend it with your favorite woman!
If she isn't your favorite woman (ala pumpkinman's blonde), then use the umbrella in your wallet. :lol:
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A really cool car that's a bit under the radar for some reason.
2010 Lotus Elise...
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=38486)
As far as sports cars go, it's pretty cheap - between $47k and $55k. They're very sharp in person.
that is the car that is making me consider selling my de tomaso pantera. nice examples, 2006/2007 are now able to be had for ~$30k or less...
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=1998)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=1997)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=1996)
doug s.
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(http://)
But in a metallic black. :inlove:
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(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=18118)
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Late 1960's Shelby Cobra with the 451 Cleveland
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This car was in the latest magazine. Kevin Miller's NRG Tech Record holding Honda Civic. Note: Not your daily driver/not street legal.
(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/Honda%20Accord/NRG%20Tech/P7120034.jpg)
(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s43/ofier/Honda%20Accord/NRG%20Tech/P7120022.jpg)
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(http://www.pbase.com/levir/image/75668464.jpg)
Old E500 Sports. ;)
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best watched w/sound...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ywv7Jetzgq0&feature=fvst (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ywv7Jetzgq0&feature=fvst)
doug s.
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(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=18118)
I'll have what he's having.
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That Lotus also comes with an electric propulsion system and out preforms it's gas counterpart (the only reason I would consider going back to American cars) Buy the tesla instead.
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More winter wheels:
(http://)
Nap.
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I'll have what he's having.
Just saw a guy getting out of one of these in Monaco on Sunday. Me, I'll have a Brabus Smart Car!
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(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=18116)
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Had one of these (not that god awful color though)...back when....wish I had another! :(
http://www.mustangandfords.com/featuredvehicles/1964_1973_mustang/mdmp_1011_1970_ford_mustang_boss_302/photo_07.html
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Porsche 917/30 (-001 or -002)
Porsche 959 (particularly the rally car)
(or, something more affordable...)
http://icon4x4.com/overview/fj/models
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Here is another one. ;)
(http://www.pbase.com/levir/image/50504927.jpg)
(http://www.pbase.com/levir/image/69675926.jpg)
(http://www.pbase.com/levir/image/67979632.jpg)
(http://www.pbase.com/levir/image/69676004.jpg)
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More winter wheels:
(http://)
Nap.
Laundrew much preferred the “summer ride.”
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=38692)
Be well...
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(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=38693)
My '67 Lemans ragtop. I sold it to my brother in 1977, and it is on its last legs, but it will always be my car.
Then there was my '59 Opel Cadet Caravan......................(sigh!)
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(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=38693)
My '67 Lemans ragtop. I sold it to my brother in 1977, and it is on its last legs, but it will always be my car.
Then there was my '59 Opel Cadet Caravan......................(sigh!)
Hi Thunderbrick, not to be confused with Thunderbird. (Joke)
About 30 years ago I drove something similar to that one, it was a Pontiac The Judge with a 400HP motor, man this was crazy when you floored the gas pedal, I did it a few times on a deserted road and I did it 20 years later with a Pontiac Iroc Z (???HP) that belonged to my business partner, that one was even scaryer.
For the past 15 years, I did not get any of those adrenaline rush with my 100cc mortorbike on the Vietnamese roads.
Guy 13.
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Chevrolet had a Camaro with an IROC performance package in the mid eighties....Not Pontiac. They had the Trans Am GTA about the same time.
Bob
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Chevrolet had a Camaro with an IROC performance package in the mid eighties....Not Pontiac. They had the Trans Am GTA about the same time.
Bob
Hi Bob.
Sorry about the mix-up: Pontiac - Camaro. Like I wrote previously, it was my partner's car, not mine, but now that you mention it, yes it was a Camaro IROC Z
Thank for the clarification.
Guy 13
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(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=49310)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=49311)
Some people have everything, I can only dream :D
Be well...
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Poor Cadillac. :cry:
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Got to figure out how to tell the wife that I want an Italia for my 70th B. day.
Steve
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Poor Cadillac. :cry:
you mean cadillacS :lol:
doug s.
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Sleek, muscled, made in the USA. I always lusted for one. 1965 Ford Cobra
(http://www.johnlafleur.com/PhotoAlbum/CandC/2009_05_16/Ford%20Cobra%2002.JPG)
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(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=38477)
In good company :)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v422/motorcitym3/m3_3.jpg)
Most recent
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v422/motorcitym3/545-tires.jpg)
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Hi all Audio Circle members.
My dream wheels that I will only acquire if I win the lottery jack pot !
Guy 13
The most beautiful car ever built.
Ford Thunderbird 1963.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=49318)
Ferrari, Maserati, Lomborghini, Bentley, Rolls Royce and the same,
are to me,
not worth more than an electric golf cart !
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=49319)
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I have a preference for the '63/'67 Corvette and the '65 Ford Cobra.
Any cars out there with a 20 year warranty ?
What would be the Bryston of the automotive world ?
Haven't seen any two wheel dreams posted yet.
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Dodge Viper
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=49320)
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Built on a Corvette C6 chassis, there's a company called N2A that builds a "789".
It's the front of a '57, side of a '58 and rear of a '59 Chevy, hence the 789 designation.
(http://horsepowersports.com/images/corvette789c.jpg)
(http://horsepowersports.com/images/corvette789b.jpg)
(http://horsepowersports.com/images/corvette789d.jpg)
(http://horsepowersports.com/images/corvette789.jpg)
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Sorry Bob, but that's more like a nightmare on wheels to me. They should have left well enough alone, as those early 'Vettes were classy enough. Now if you combine a 55, 56, and 57 T'bird you get.... well, a 57 T'bird.
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Sorry can't help it, its just where the electricity goes.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=49364)
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:thumb:
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You may not understand all language from this very nice (sounding) video. But I'm sure you'll understand the message:
http://www.abhd.nl/video/alfa-romeo-8c-competizione/ (http://www.abhd.nl/video/alfa-romeo-8c-competizione/)
Photo:
(http://www.autoblog.nl/gallery/0_Reviews/Alfa_Romeo/8C_Competizione/Alfa_Romeo_8C_Competizione_2.JPG)
8)
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(http://)
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You may not understand all language from this very nice (sounding) video. But I'm sure you'll understand the message:
http://www.abhd.nl/video/alfa-romeo-8c-competizione/ (http://www.abhd.nl/video/alfa-romeo-8c-competizione/)
Photo:
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Alle language prima begrepen hoor... Maar een Alfa is ontzettend niet mijn auto :)
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Alle language prima begrepen hoor... Maar een Alfa is ontzettend niet mijn auto :)
Het hoeven ook niet jouw droom wielen te zijn :wink: Deze Alfa is naar mijn idee ook vooral geschikt om van een poster oid te genieten. Absoluut topdesign!
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Oh my, that is one sleek looking Alfa. Wouldn't mind if I could.
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Oh my, that is one sleek looking Alfa. Wouldn't mind if I could.
Screw that, check out these dream wheels.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FUZ9IgX71c&feature=related
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Screw that, check out these dream wheels.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FUZ9IgX71c&feature=related
Umm...... :scratch:
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Screw that, check out these dream wheels.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FUZ9IgX71c&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FUZ9IgX71c&feature=related)
Umm...... (http://www.audiocircle.com/Smileys/audiocircle/scratching_head.gif)
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(http://files.conceptcarz.com/img/BMW/72-BMW_2002-Tii-DV-08_NY_001.jpg)
BMW 2002 ti
Had one of these when I was stationed in Greece.
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Greece? I feel for Timind, you poor fellow, having to swim in that dirty old sea. Not!
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Het hoeven ook niet jouw droom wielen te zijn :wink: Deze Alfa is naar mijn idee ook vooral geschikt om van een poster oid te genieten. Absoluut topdesign!
Dat is zeker waar, het is een ontzettend mooie auto! :thumb:
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"Fifth Gear" video 458 Italia vs McLaren MP4-12C.
http://enewsferrari.com/enews/Aug2011/Surprise_in_Surrey_The_Ferrari_458_Italia_Knocks_Out_A_New_Challenger.htm?utm_source=zetamail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=AUGUST2011_ENEWS&utm_content=Surprise_in_Surrey_The_Ferrari_458_Italia_Knocks_Out_A_New_Challenger
Steve
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Some favorites of mine:
63 - 67 Corvette
67 Hemi powered Plymouth GTX
Porsche 928 S4
Slant Nose RUF Porsche Turbo.
BMW M5
I did the race car (Formula Ford) thing years ago....
HsvHeelFan
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After its fifth week in the shop this calendar year, I'm putting my 20-year old E34 M5 up for sale (no, this is not an ad). Great car but repairs have eaten me alive over the past couple of years. Too bad...
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All cars i ever owned were sedans and hatchbacks.. skoda, ford, audi, jag and mercs. Only four wheels, too small, too low riding, too fast and not enough gears. BORING!
i want a change.
i want a BIG lorry. preferably 8x8, German made, with sequential gears and automatic clutch, and no, NO double glazed or UV proof window. I want that special sunburn.
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Sleek, muscled, made in the USA. I always lusted for one. 1965 Ford Cobra
(http://www.johnlafleur.com/PhotoAlbum/CandC/2009_05_16/Ford%20Cobra%2002.JPG)
i kinda like the car behind the kit-cobra. oh wait, i have one of those! 8)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=1996)
doug s.
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After its fifth week in the shop this calendar year, I'm putting my 20-year old E34 M5 up for sale (no, this is not an ad). Great car but repairs have eaten me alive over the past couple of years. Too bad...
It was a sad day when I sold my red E34 M5 with the turbine wheels. It was a fun rip snorting beast of an inline 6. I remember a 2-day trip to the dealer to check things out before a driver's school and right before the warranty expired. I thought it was running just fine, but they did a cool $6k worth of work on the motor on BMW's tab :o
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(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=21202)
Still my 1st Choice ! :thumb:
Robert
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Perfectly happy with the one on the left, but in roadster form of course!
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I'd take a Porsche Panamera. I don't care if it is ugly or too expensive. I only want it for the Bermester (http://www.burmester.de/en/automotive/index.php?content=porschepanamera&cnavid=1) surround-sound system. I'd take a Cayenne or even a Bugatti Veyron if I had to, cuz they also have the Bermester stereo... :lol:
I could also be convinced to take a Bentley Mulsanne with Dirac Live (http://www.dirac.se/en/news-events/latest-news/bentley-aims-for-world%E2%80%99s-best-in-car-sound-with-dirac-live%C2%AE-dsp-technology.aspx) audio processing. Dirac is supposedly super magically amazing room correction. If Ford Fusion had such a stereo I would be happy, at least until it was "found on road dead." :lol:
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I don't know Rich. The "music" created by the silver car on the right has some majic of it's own. Nice photo.
Bob
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Thank you Sir :thumb:
Robert
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I don't know Rich. The "music" created by the silver car on the right has some majic of it's own. Nice photo.
Bob
agreed - truly great cars don't need any audio system of any sort - the engine will make all the music needed. that's how it is w/my alfa and my pantera - no stereo system needed at all in those cars! :thumb:
doug s.
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The Audi R18 is a fine racing machine. However, my all time favorite Lemans cars would be the:
2. Porsche 962
1. Porsche 917 Long tail
When I was racing, there was a guy from South Florida that would bring in a Porsche 904. Absolutely gorgeous car, but underpowered.
If I knew how post an image here, I would.
HsvHeelFan
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The Audi R18 is a fine racing machine. However, my all time favorite Lemans cars would be the:
2. Porsche 962
Amen Brother. Rothman. 8)
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Thank you Sir :thumb:
Robert
You're welcome. By saying that, I take it you were the photographer?
Bob
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The R18 kept me glued to LeMans on TV. Just seeing it run was a thrill. It's not beautiful, but there's something good about the looks. Beating the French made it an underdog hero. The tiny cockpit and huge wheels make it look like a preschool toy. I'd be curious to know what it's like to drive, but I know it would scare me to death driven to its potential. A Corvette C4 on a small time trial course was scary enough for me. That's why I like the Bentley.... 8)
(http://cdn.nitrobahn.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/2011_Audi_R18_TDI-600x366.jpg)
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Any thing electric. Utilitarian preferably. I never again want to stand at a gas pump watching numbers fly by faster than I can ever dream of making them, supporting forien wars not to mention gready corperations who continue to collect record profits from people who are addicted to their sauce, while at the same time reciving massive subsities from our corperation owned government. Can anybody say run on?
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Or a bike!
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For a more just world, I'd peddle right next to you.
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Holder of about 8 world speed records for productions cars and lap records. This is my favorite version. It's the open cockpit version, the Can-Am. And best of all it is power by a good old small black Chevy engine.
(http://www.ultimasports.co.uk/content/canamgallery/canam18.jpg)
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1)Mercedes Benz
2)AWD/4WD/4-matic
3)Four door
4)Black
5)V8...
My dream car has five simple requirements...
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Lamborghini Countach
Watch it at the beginning of The Cannonball Run!
Gene
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Bob, is that the Bonneville F1 car? I never saw a pic when it was news.
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"agreed - truly great cars don't need any audio system of any sort - the engine will make all the music needed."
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A V-12 and Tubi exhaust system.
Steve
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Bob, is that the Bonneville F1 car? I never saw a pic when it was news.
Nope, It's a fictitious car on a video game called GT5. :wink:
But hey, it's still a "dream" car, right?
Bob
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have to view it in motion...
(http://www.mcnews.com.au/MotorcycleRacing2009/MotoGP/Rnd_1/Wallpaper/Rossi_Eyes_1280.jpg)
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Any thing electric. Utilitarian preferably. I never again want to stand at a gas pump watching numbers fly by faster than I can ever dream of making them, supporting forien wars not to mention gready corperations who continue to collect record profits from people who are addicted to their sauce, while at the same time reciving massive subsities from our corperation owned government. Can anybody say run on?
If and when electric cars become commonplace, you can bet that electricity companies will get all the perks and favors that the gas companies got, if not more. The electric companies already seem to be pretty corrupt as it is.
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My father is a mechanic and also buys and sells cars. Took his newly acquired Volvo S80 with V8 and AWD out for a spin the other day. Very great car to drive that seems a bit under the radar. The guy he bought it from is an old friend who's owned a few comparable BMWs and Mercedes over the years. He sold it to my father to buy a 2011 M5 and seriously regrets it.
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Quote from: mort on 19 Aug 2011, 10:07 AM
Any thing electric. Utilitarian preferably. I never again want to stand at a gas pump watching numbers fly by faster than I can ever dream of making them, supporting forien wars not to mention gready corperations who continue to collect record profits from people who are addicted to their sauce, while at the same time reciving massive subsities from our corperation owned government. Can anybody say run on?
Quote from: Stu Pitt on Today at 09:16 PM
If and when electric cars become commonplace, you can bet that electricity companies will get all the perks and favors that the gas companies got, if not more. The electric companies already seem to be pretty corrupt as it is.
electric cars also require massive federal subsidies to be competitive with internal combustion engine cars. big federal rebate for each car sold, big federal subsidies for research for battery techonology & infrastructure, etc. and, re: efficiency and pollution savings, the reality is that, after you measure the cost/pollution of electrical power generation, the added cost/pollution of manufacturing electric wehicles, and the added cost/pollution of battery disposal, it's really a wash.
no doubt, electric cars are coming - gas is only going to go up in price, as it becomes scarcer and scarcer. but don't kid yourselves, electric cars ain't no panacea.
doug s.
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My father is a mechanic and also buys and sells cars. Took his newly acquired Volvo S80 with V8 and AWD out for a spin the other day. Very great car to drive that seems a bit under the radar. The guy he bought it from is an old friend who's owned a few comparable BMWs and Mercedes over the years. He sold it to my father to buy a 2011 M5 and seriously regrets it.
volvo as dream car. now, that is really funny! :lol:
tho, i wouldn't mind a nice mint 1800es...
(http://www.swedecar.com/images/photos/volvo_large/1971%201800ES.jpg)
doug s.
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My father is a mechanic and also buys and sells cars. Took his newly acquired Volvo S80 with V8 and AWD out for a spin the other day. Very great car to drive that seems a bit under the radar. The guy he bought it from is an old friend who's owned a few comparable BMWs and Mercedes over the years. He sold it to my father to buy a 2011 M5 and seriously regrets it.
Indeed, the M5 is not for everyone. It's either heaven or hell. And nothing in between.
For the very special and determined few (with titanium spine), It's truly heaven, the best sport sedan on the planet. V10 power (now V8 with some fans, pity) , superb suspention and agility, there's hardly more to ask.
For those fancy big engine ,4-doors and a nicely cushioned ride, it's worse than hell. There're only 3 ride settings--- trolley with wooden wheels mode, roll down the stairs in a wood wheel trolley mode, and by pushing a few buttons, you are guaranteed to be very well shaken and mixed up in the 'roll down the stairs in a wood wheel trolley @ 166MPH M mode'. :icon_lol:
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electric cars also require massive federal subsidies to be competitive with internal combustion engine cars. big federal rebate for each car sold, big federal subsidies for research for battery techonology & infrastructure, etc. and, re: efficiency and pollution savings, the reality is that, after you measure the cost/pollution of electrical power generation, the added cost/pollution of manufacturing electric wehicles, and the added cost/pollution of battery disposal, it's really a wash.
no doubt, electric cars are coming - gas is only going to go up in price, as it becomes scarcer and scarcer. but don't kid yourselves, electric cars ain't no panacea.
doug s.
Nope, they won't come, they'll be either completely flat & dead like a salted fish on their half way here. Or the driver will simply refuse to come, because it's out of range, and fast charging ruins those expensive batteries, everybody knows that. :icon_lol:
Electric cars can become a very nice short range transport if the owner work in the local post office or supermarket, in a very small town, very close to his home, and all of his friends live very near. . .Or, i think if they change all city buses and taxies to electric, it'll also work out nicely . But as a convenient personal/family transport, it simply wouldn't suffice, it's too complicated to use, and will cost more in a long term.
And i wonder why car manufacturers love to put an 'i' before the names of their electric and electro-petro mutant cars. Maybe it's a sign of caution, a warning, 'i' = incompetent. Warning, you are buying the incompetent ill fated cousin of the car family, for a higher price.
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My father is a mechanic and also buys and sells cars. Took his newly acquired Volvo S80 with V8 and AWD out for a spin the other day. Very great car to drive that seems a bit under the radar.
For my twenty plus years in the auto business, I totally disregarded Volvo as a vehicle I want nothing to do with, especially the repair aspect. :roll:
But I now find myself working at a Volvo dealership and have "discovered" their sleeper status. They've had twin turbo's and AWD for years. The AWD V8 is definitely a sleeper. The new S60 R looks to knock our socks off as well.
It's a shame only old men drive them. :lol:
But wait...this is a "dream car" thread. Volvo's don't belong here. :nono:
Bob
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For my twenty plus years in the auto business, I totally disregarded Volvo as a vehicle I want nothing to do with, especially the repair aspect. :roll:
But I now find myself working at a Volvo dealership and have "discovered" their sleeper status. They've had twin turbo's and AWD for years. The AWD V8 is definitely a sleeper. The new S60 R looks to knock our socks off as well.
It's a shame only old men drive them. :lol:
But wait...this is a "dream car" thread. Volvo's don't belong here. :nono:
Bob
It's all about reputation, reputation is especially important for this sort of cars.
In a good Merc, you'll usually find a well mannered, matured man, the kind of sleek guy who wears tailored suit and able to make a good joke on almost anything to please his lady friends.
In a performance Bimmer, there's usually the kind of dude who uses alot of hair dressing product, wears fancy sun glasses, and you'll usually find a bottle of expensive exotic mineral water in the cup holder.
In a Volvo, there's the intelligent man, who's familiar with technical drawings, or highly complicated stuffs. The kind of person able to think up the word 'tellurion', while most other ppls would say 'erm.. the globe' :green:
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Yea, I have my "wide sweeping" opinions of most Saab and Volvo owners and for the sake of peace will be keeping them to myself.
I've got two Chevrolets in the garage and won't be changing anytime soon. :wink:
Bob
p.s. Just to keep things on topic, here's another "Dream wheel" of mine:
(http://www.carphotos.org/gallery/data/946/ariel_atom_3.jpg)
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Yea, I have my "wide sweeping" opinions of most Saab and Volvo owners and for the sake of peace will be keeping them to myself.
I've got two Chevrolets in the garage and won't be changing anytime soon. :wink:
Bob
p.s. Just to keep things on topic, here's another "Dream wheel" of mine:
(http://www.carphotos.org/gallery/data/946/ariel_atom_3.jpg)
Oh, the Atom. Test driven one quite a while back when it first came out. Fantastic little car, stripped down to the very essentials of driving pleasure and raw excitements. I think they're now making an even more crazy V8 model.
It's abit over the top for me, i felt very un-easy, even a bit terrified while driving it without the full protective gears-- HANS, helmet, flame suit, the lot. It's very hard-core, very serious. Very different from the rather friendly Caterhams. With the caterhams, i was able to drive it wearing swimming goggles because it's 'more funny'.
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i got my first wolwo at the ripe old age of 17, and drove them until ~1991, when i got into alfas. alfas were my daily drivers until 2009. i still have a nice 3.0 gtwe6, but i don't wanna destroy it by making it my daily driver, like i did my last one - stiff aftermarket suspension, 150k in 10 years, thru winters - it took its toll...
i would love to drive an ariel atom; topgear did a great bit on it a coupla years ago... i am toying w/the idea of letting go my pantera in favor of a used lotus elise; the ariel would be up for consideration if it were not so spendy...
doug s.
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(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=50610)
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Nope, they won't come, they'll be either completely flat & dead like a salted fish on their half way here. Or the driver will simply refuse to come, because it's out of range, and fast charging ruins those expensive batteries, everybody knows that. :icon_lol:
Electric cars can become a very nice short range transport if the owner work in the local post office or supermarket, in a very small town, very close to his home, and all of his friends live very near. . .Or, i think if they change all city buses and taxies to electric, it'll also work out nicely . But as a convenient personal/family transport, it simply wouldn't suffice, it's too complicated to use, and will cost more in a long term.
And i wonder why car manufacturers love to put an 'i' before the names of their electric and electro-petro mutant cars. Maybe it's a sign of caution, a warning, 'i' = incompetent. Warning, you are buying the incompetent ill fated cousin of the car family, for a higher price.
simply not based in facts. If electric propulsion systems are just a flash in the pan than
why is every major automobile manufacturer working on at least one electric vehicle as we speak?
Of course subsities are required for any new system that requires massive inferstructure. This is no different than any other country wide program: Oil/gas, farm/food, healthcare, current electrical grid and transit. Mabey un-like the gas conglomerates when electric cars stand on there own four wheels we can remove the tax payers helpful push.
Inconveinient is going to a gas station when ever you need to fill up. with electric cars that is not nessesary we wont drive untill empty we will always start full and recharge every nite, 78% of the U.S driving public travels less than 40 miles a day 90% less than 80 miles and 80% of families are 2 car owners. need to go more than 100 miles, take the other car it is simple math!
The Tesla s loaded model has a range of just over 300 miles, and like VCR's, CD players, cell phones, flat screen tv's and all other technologies the prices will fall and ranges will increase as people adopt these new Better, quicker, cleaner automobiles.
Litheum Ion battery technologies are on the brisk of explosion with the perfection of the LI-air battery, energy density levels are expected to be 4 to 8 times that of dissel fuel!
In the Pacific Northwest, 80% of our energy comes from clean energy sources. Even in States where the predominance of power is generated by dirty coal, electric cars are cleaner because they are more efficiant at converting energy (85% compared to 30%)than their ICE equivilants. Many families with Nissan Leafs and Chevy Volts already power there cars using garage solar systems (a 5000 watt aray cost between $8000 and $10000 and are warrentied for 20 years. The average american will own 4 cars in that period.) with the price of gas skyrocketing over the past 10 years it is easy to see the price levels rapidly approching an equlibrium.
This web site is for a lot of us is about technologies and products that lead us to better listining, it suprisses me to see that the quest for technologie in one feild is not mannifested in another. The fact is that the internal combustion engine is an archaen obsolete dirty mechanism that we have tweeked the last bit of life out of, They have a poor tork curve, between 100 and 300 moving parts, require massive amounts of maintinance, guzzel gas and require antifreese,oil and a transmision not to mention the small cost of invading the contries that sit on top of our oil!
You threw out your 8 track player a long time ago, now break your addiction to oil, test drive a Leaf, Volt ,Tesla or the 2012 Ford Focas electric and see if it will fit your life style. If you are like 90% of the country it probably will.
Most of the anti electric car sentimate comes from a lack of knowledge, and a missunderstanding of the facts. If you are interested in informing yourself with the truth www.pluginamerica.org has a wounderfull pros and cons section of their web site along with a list of all current and soon to be available electric cars and all the information you could ever desire.
My dream car is the Future Tesla suv or mabey the 2012 Toyota Rav 4-E, you say they are too expesive but I argue they are lot cheeper than most of the dream cars on this list and with a carport top solar charging system a lot cleaner too.
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Great post mort :thumb:
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mortie, i have done a lot of research on this. as i said before, i know electric cars are coming - no doubt about it. but, as i also said - it won't be any panacea, as far as health, costs, & enwironment are concerned. unless and until most electrical power is generated via wind, solar, geothermal, etc., it's gonna be wery enwironmentally unfriendly when everyone plugs in for their car's fuel. when that happens, (ie - no coal/nuclear/gas needed to generate electricity), then electric cars won't be such an enwironmental burden cuz then the only issues will be the added enwironmental costs of mfr and recycling...
doug s.
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By the way, I am working on some solar powered speakers (good news and bad) - Bad news... they have to be listened to outside. Good news - no standing waves :lol:
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james, if you want really glowing rewiews, cobble up some nuclear powered gear. 8)
doug s.
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Mort is correct.
A real key is that many electric car owners will create enough power at home (with wind and solar) to keep their cars charged and ready.
Even if they are all powered from coal burning power plants, it still puts less in the air overall than each car burning fossil fuel. And even if it was a wash (meaning each form of travel put the same junk in the air) then imagine this:
I have done some flying in private planes with friends. And I have flown by or over major cities like Oklahoma City and Dallas Fort Worth. From the air you can easily see a thick haze of smog looming over them that is not so easy to see from the ground. Guess where it all comes from? Yep, pretty much all of it is from cars.
So just imagine if you moved all of that smog out of the city where everyone lives and took it 50 miles out of town where a coal burning power plant is cranking out the electricity. Wouldn't that be nice?
And that is still assuming that it is a wash, which it is not. Throw in electricity being produced from other sources (clean sources) and you can really get Green.
Not to mention that even a 10% drop in demand for oil would make a significant difference in the price of fuel.
I am a car guy and all for owning a gas guzzling super car. Heck, I started drag racing while I was still a teen. But owning a Tesla roadster would be pretty cool too.
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danny, you need to do more research. building electric cars, batteries, and their disposal is a huge enwironmental issue. it takes far more energy, and pollutes far more yust to build an electric car. while there is certainly a difference regarding where you are polluting, in the end, the planet is getting polluted the same, whether it's from a lot of cars in the city, or a few power plants and mfg plants outside the city.
when green energy prevails, and the traditional nuclear/coal/gas energy plants are shut down, then, and only then will electric cars be significantly greener than internal combustion cars. but, it's a moot point; folks want cars, and when gas runs out, which is already happening, electric cars will replace i/c engined cars, regardless of whether they're green. the price of gasoline is only going to increase, making electric cars more and more economically viable. but, today, i have a few dream cars, and electric cars ain't on the list. not even the tesla, cool as it may be...
ymmv,
doug s.
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i will be riding my wintage duc home while you're watching the show. :green:
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doug s.
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Yea... Thanks for the show Doug. Keep it up.
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danny, you need to do more research. building electric cars, batteries, and their disposal is a huge enwironmental issue.
I have done a lot more than you think. Even my audio system is almost off the grid. :D I have not looked that hard into disposal issues though. I admit that.
However, have a look at everything that goes into servicing a gas burning vehicle over many years of operation and the parts that it goes through from clutches, plugs, filters, fluids, and everything else and you wind up using a ton more resources than you ever will with an electric.
I am all for being responsible for what the good Lord gives us, but I am not one of those, oh, lets save the planet fanatics. Let's please don't let this cool thread go there....
If the panels on my roof, or the wind generator in my yard can keep my car (or cars) charged up and ready to drive, and I don't have to spend any more money on gasoline unless I am taking a road trip, then that is pretty cool too.
...when green energy prevails, and the traditional nuclear/coal/gas energy plants are shut down,
I don't think we are ever going to see that in our lifetimes. Natural gas, nuclear, and even coal is going to be around for a long time. Not forever, but for a long time.
Price of oil as much as anything else will determine how fast we switch over.
I have been thinking a lot about, (looking and even test driving) upgrading my Vette to a newer model. I am just a Vette kind of guy and always will be, but a Tesla Roadster would still be super cool.
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danny, i think it's way cool that you are so into alternative energy sources such as solar panels and wind generation. if more folks were doing that, then yes, it would go a long way towards making electric wehicles a better proposition enwironmentally. but, i think that the amount of folks doing that would make audiophiles seem as common as pennies. :lol: and, i agree 100% about the fact that coal/nuclear/gas fired power plants are going to be with us for a long time - a major reason that electric rides aren't an enwironmental panacea.
and, while i know there are a lot of materials that go into keeping an internal combustion engine running, the fact is that most are crushed long before it equals the enwironmental costs in simply building an electric ride. (which is one reason they are so much more expensive than similarly equipped i/c rides.)
here's another way of looking at it. while i have not done the research to werify the actual figures, if the world simply stopped making all passenger wehicles for ten years, the energy savings would be immense, even tho it would mean that fuel efficiency is locked in at today's efficiencies. and, present-day electrric wehicle mfr'ing is ~40% more resource-intensive than what it takes for i/c powered wehicles.
i, too, while caring about the enwironment, am also not so fanatical a tree hugger. which is why i understand your desire for something like a corwette. while corwettes have never floated my boat, i understand how they do, for many - amazing performance for the price. :thumb: me, i am toying w/the idea of letting go my wintage '72 pantera, in favor of something a bit more modern - and more fuel efficient as well - i suspect a lotus elise/exige may be in my future... 8)
and, ~2.5 years ago, i retired my hotted up alfa gtv6 3.0 as a daily ride in favor of a more efficient gen-1 scion xb. it certainly loses out in acceleration, but, amazingly enough its chassis dynamics doesn't give up a thing. but, i confess it was done more for practicality than enwironmental concerns - it is simply too difficult to source parts for it to use as a daily driver anymore. the pantera would actually be easier to keep on the road for the typical ~20k miles per year i put on a car. if i could afford the gas, that is. :lol:
doug s.
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Yea... Thanks for the show Doug. Keep it up.
ok, bob - here's what got me to work and back yesterday, and it will do the same tomorrow:
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(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=2007)
doug s.
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Construction waste and cost are currently at a higer level only because these factors are spread out over conciderably smaller production runs. As more people purchase these DREAM Vehicles those impediments will rival those of ICE cars and over the life of the BEV with its greatly reduced operating and maintanace cost, these cleaner asperations will no doubt trump those of their predessesors.
As for disposal Litheum is far to expensive to throw out. Recycling a Li battery will return a signifigant value as a core. In fact testing has shown that as the battery ages at around 120 to 150 thousand miles the capacity will be reduced to around 70% . While not pheasable as a propulsion battery several start ups are angeling for the battery second life industry. Several uses are possible i.e a bank of two depleated Leaf batteries is sufficiant for a temporary home power source. Even with a 30% reduction in power these power packs are capable running an avarage american home (in the event of a black out or storm interuption) for 24 hours or a European home for 48 hours. GM sugests that its Volt battery banks "second life repourposing" will provide 20 years of additional service in different applications.
Additionaly several of the auto manufactures( including Hondas home Power Package and a similar program by Nissan) have invested in these technologies and have plans for home-auto charging stations in which the energy collected durring the day by a solar array is stored in two used automotive Li banks so that they can recharge the single battery in the vehicle at night.
If the Tesla Roadster dosent quite make your list check out the convertable Fisker Karma Sweeeet.
I still think a bike or walking is the only way to be green but thats no fun and not very dreamy
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While still a hybrid she goes 50 miles on a charge, well within the 40 mile average us commute.
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wintage '72 pantera
Very cool!
in favor of something a bit more modern - and more fuel efficient as well - i suspect a lotus elise/exige may be in my future...
Also very cool.
New cars have come a long way. When I was a kid my daily driver was a Camaro with a 427 big block with a 4000 rpm stall converter and a 4.10 rear end gear. While it did launch hard and blister the 1/4 mile, it was not capable of taking anywhere very far. Good thing gas was less than $1 a gallon back then. I even used to mix in some AV gas (we could buy it at the air port) that was 110 octane for $1.75 a gallon.
In contrast my Dad's Vette (I guess we are a Vette family) laid down 495 horsepower to the rear wheels on the dyno and still gets 29 miles to the gallon on the highway. It is also very comfortable to drive and can be taken anywhere.
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While still a hybrid she goes 50 miles on a charge, well within the 40 mile average us commute.
That is just gorgeous!
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"495 horsepower to the rear wheels on the dyno and still gets 29 miles to the gallon on the highway."
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That is interesting...the 29 mpg hwy explains how it gets good range with a fairly "small" gas tank.
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In contrast my Dad's Vette (I guess we are a Vette family) laid down 495 horsepower to the rear wheels on the dyno and still gets 29 miles to the gallon on the highway.
The magic of carburetors. Very small primary jets, and massive secondarys. The best of both worlds.
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The magic of carburetors. Very small primary jets, and massive secondarys. The best of both worlds.
'cept, i bet his dad's 'wette is a modern fi iteration. no way the older carbie 'wettes get that kinda mileage... the new fi 'wettes get such good mileage because they're turning something like 2000rpms at highway speeds a bit over 80mph... :wink:
doug s.
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Construction waste and cost are currently at a higer level only because these factors are spread out over conciderably smaller production runs. As more people purchase these DREAM Vehicles those impediments will rival those of ICE cars and over the life of the BEV with its greatly reduced operating and maintanace cost, these cleaner asperations will no doubt trump those of their predessesors.
As for disposal Litheum is far to expensive to throw out. Recycling a Li battery will return a signifigant value as a core. In fact testing has shown that as the battery ages at around 120 to 150 thousand miles the capacity will be reduced to around 70% . While not pheasable as a propulsion battery several start ups are angeling for the battery second life industry. Several uses are possible i.e a bank of two depleated Leaf batteries is sufficiant for a temporary home power source. Even with a 30% reduction in power these power packs are capable running an avarage american home (in the event of a black out or storm interuption) for 24 hours or a European home for 48 hours. GM sugests that its Volt battery banks "second life repourposing" will provide 20 years of additional service in different applications.
Additionaly several of the auto manufactures( including Hondas home Power Package and a similar program by Nissan) have invested in these technologies and have plans for home-auto charging stations in which the energy collected durring the day by a solar array is stored in two used automotive Li banks so that they can recharge the single battery in the vehicle at night.
If the Tesla Roadster dosent quite make your list check out the convertable Fisker Karma Sweeeet.
I still think a bike or walking is the only way to be green but thats no fun and not very dreamy
The real cost of these cars right now is very high. For instance, a friend's Prius's battery went out. It's going to cost them over 6,000 for a refurbished battery. In terms of real cost, there goes much if not all of your gasoline savings. Batteries are the main reason I bought a diesel. Another problem I have with true battery powered only vehicles is their lack of mileage. Even if you can get to and from work, what happens if you want to go anywhere else? Can you do it? Not right now.
As for charging these cars, maybe there would be some way to charge them using solar cells, but unless the solar cells are built directly into the car, this is going to require a significant structural investment. And this will depend upon where you are. In Arizona, you'll charge the car almost every day, easily; in Connecticut, you'll charge the car every once in a while.
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Great post, Mort. :thumb:
I agree that 'clean energy' is very important, and it's essential that we should base our lives more on the clean energy sources whenever possible.
But, i was thinking more about the 'conventional' users. Those of us that didn't 'care' too much about the car is 'clean' or not and simply wanted an easy, convinent and cost effecient way of transport. I used to work for a rather large news group in UK and had the chance to test drive many of those new energy cars. For example the Chevy Volt, Mitsubishi's I-MiEV, Bimmer's 7-series 'active hybrid' prototype, Mercs small Electric cars and the VERY expensive and hardcore Tesla based on a Lotus.
To be honest, my first impressions on those cars 'r all quite good. they're all very quiet, smooth, clean, runs just like a normal car and seems that they all secured 'a very bright future'. But, they all had a common problem : 'Why the hassle? '
They spent billions of $'s on developing such vehicles,and the manufacturing process was long and tedious. For example, a $48,000 Mitsubishi i MiEV, to build those batteries, they mined the raw minerals in Canada, processed them in Europe and the States, then transported the pre-processed raw materials to China so the commies can turn them into some sort of raw battery 'juice' because it's a nasty and polluting process that most European countries would simply ban such industries. Then ship the 'juice' to Japan so they can make the fresh batteries. Yes, the Japanese can then use an army of robots and roll a car off the line every minute and claim their car is so clean and quiet that you can even operate them in a house full of sleeping babies. But, Why?
Then, there's the problem of using them. Yes, I can use my regular home socket and charge the car up over night. And if im going very far, I can use my normal car. But, why? Because it's clean? And it's cheap? No. They ain't cheap. I can usually buy a small diesel hatch back for much less, and it can go well over 50mpg. it's quite clean aswell and i can fill it up whenever i want in a matter of minutes thanks to a place called 'gas station'. .
Finally, the running cost. Yes, if i use a normal home socket, it'd be very cheap to charge up the batteries, but don't forget it's just not the tiny cell-phone battery you can buy off the ebay for 10.99. They r big, costy and heavy. They r usually the most expensive part in an electric car, and they ages rather quickly. Car manufacturers won't tell you how much it is and how soon it'll age in the manual (just like they won't tell you how soon you'll have to change the batts in an iphone) . But really we are talking about 5-6yrs, then you'll have to replace them . Although the average price per KWh dropped over the years from $1000+/KWh to around $400~500/KWh. But still, they only last about half the car's actual life-span (say, min. 10 yrs per car) -----> and expect $10000+ for a fresh set of batts in under 5~6yrs. Tesla roadser can sell you set of fresh batts for ~$12000, that's because they sold you the car SOOOO expensivily in the first place. But how about those 'cheap and cheerful' electric cars that the manufacturers and govt. claim they r losing money on every car sold? ---- So, why?
Seriously, although i sounded like a crazy petrol head that aims to burn every last drop of fuel and turn the planet into a dingleberry. But i'm not against energy saving, cleaner cars. Yes, i love my big V8, but i also own a 4-pot Fiat 500 which i totally adores.
It's just that those electric cars, they're not ready and i think they'll never be ready. It's like one of those tedious puzzles---- this is a car build so differently from a normal car yet the car is trying so hard to act like a normal car that it just isn't in the first place :scratch:
EDIT : hydrogen fuel cells, like the honda FCX. That's more like the future, you can fill them up just like normal cars. But unfortunately it's not ready as-well ---the total effectiency is even lower than electric cars because of the highly complicated manufacture-transport-storage process...
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The real cost of these cars right now is very high. For instance, a friend's Prius's battery went out. It's going to cost them over 6,000 for a refurbished battery. In terms of real cost, there goes much if not all of your gasoline savings. Batteries are the main reason I bought a diesel. Another problem I have with true battery powered only vehicles is their lack of mileage. Even if you can get to and from work, what happens if you want to go anywhere else? Can you do it? Not right now.
As for charging these cars, maybe there would be some way to charge them using solar cells, but unless the solar cells are built directly into the car, this is going to require a significant structural investment. And this will depend upon where you are. In Arizona, you'll charge the car almost every day, easily; in Connecticut, you'll charge the car every once in a while.
Im so sorry your just missinformed. The first generation prius's are getting up to 120 thousand miles, the next gen are expected to get 150 thousand but very few have reached a level requiring replacement, even 10 years into the program.
Perhaps you did not read the Facts 78% of the U.S. public drives a total (including trips to work, the hardware store, video, walmart, groceries, ect) of 40 miles a day which is approximatly only half to one third of the available range of the Leaf or exactly the electric range of the Volt. At that minnimum KWH usage the battery banks only require 11 hours on a 120 volt socket (of which there are 2.6 billion of in the U.S compared to 250000 gas stations)or 3 hours on a 240v charging station that only cost $1000 after most state incentives. This is not a dream any more!
As for solar investment in the west of the state of Washington (we receive the lowest solar grade in the country after Alaska. We can expect a full spectrum output for 3 hours a day in the winter and 5 in the summer with a 5000 watt array($8000 to $10000 investment 20 year warrenty!) we acheive 15000 to 25000, kw more than enough to cover the milage that 78% of the U.S driving public travel every day! not to mention covering some of our house hold needs.
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For example, a $48,000 Mitsubishi i MiEV, to build those batteries, they mined the raw minerals in Canada, processed them in Europe and the States, then transported the pre-processed raw materials to China so the commies can turn them into some sort of raw battery 'juice' because it's a nasty and polluting process that most European countries would simply ban such industries. Then ship the 'juice' to Japan so they can make the fresh batteries.
This depends on the type of battery. For Li-Ion the raw material is mined and processed in China then shipped to various places, Tiawan, Japan, China and Canada, to make the cells. For the best energy densities buy the batteries made in Canada. :thumb:
Tesla roadser can sell you set of fresh batts for ~$12000, that's because they sold you the car SOOOO expensivily in the first place.
The reason Tesla sells the battery packs for that price is they use standard 18650 cells found in laptops and not custom designed cells so they make a fortune on the replacements.
Hybrids and EV's are still years away from being a good economic or environmental investment. A small diesel powered car is currently the best compromise of cost and the environment.
Jeff
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the new fi 'wettes get such good mileage because they're turning something like 2000rpms at highway speeds a bit over 80mph...
Mine is geared about like that. Mine turns 1600 rpm's at 70, but Dad's newer one is geared even higher. I think his turns about 1600 rpm at 75.
Being fairly light weight and low drag doesn't hurt either.
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This depends on the type of battery. For Li-Ion the raw material is mined and processed in China then shipped to various places, Tiawan, Japan, China and Canada, to make the cells. For the best energy densities buy the batteries made in Canada. :thumb:
The reason Tesla sells the battery packs for that price is they use standard 18650 cells found in laptops and not custom designed cells so they make a fortune on the replacements.
Hybrids and EV's are still years away from being a good economic or environmental investment. A small diesel powered car is currently the best compromise of cost and the environment.
Jeff
:o Oh i didn't know that! :scratch: They said they fitted thousands of cells inside and i thought they're talking about the tiny little 'cells' in those german made high tech batteries.. :duh:
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You guys are messing up the "car porn" thread with too much talk and bickering.
Go start your own thread. (http://www.maanclan.com/images/smilies/smiley_-_spanked.gif)
Bob :wink:
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Car porn, car porn... :drool:
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=50716)
Do you yet want a Ferrari...
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Im so sorry your just missinformed. The first generation prius's are getting up to 120 thousand miles, the next gen are expected to get 150 thousand but very few have reached a level requiring replacement, even 10 years into the program.
Perhaps you did not read the Facts 78% of the U.S. public drives a total (including trips to work, the hardware store, video, walmart, groceries, ect) of 40 miles a day which is approximatly only half to one third of the available range of the Leaf or exactly the electric range of the Volt. At that minnimum KWH usage the battery banks only require 11 hours on a 120 volt socket (of which there are 2.6 billion of in the U.S compared to 250000 gas stations)or 3 hours on a 240v charging station that only cost $1000 after most state incentives. This is not a dream any more!
As for solar investment in the west of the state of Washington (we receive the lowest solar grade in the country after Alaska. We can expect a full spectrum output for 3 hours a day in the winter and 5 in the summer with a 5000 watt array($8000 to $10000 investment 20 year warrenty!) we acheive 15000 to 25000, kw more than enough to cover the milage that 78% of the U.S driving public travel every day! not to mention covering some of our house hold needs.
misinformed? mebbe amblin's buddy didn't need his prius batteries replaced? :scratch: and even if the batteries routinely last past 100k miles, the fact is it means that the walue as a used car is wirtually nil - i wouldn't hesitate to purchase a used toyota w/+100k on it - but not a prius. and, you did not address all the other issues mentioned, re: cost/pollution/logistics of assembly. and no, it's not simply the low wolume of units being made that is the cause... and yes, so the average person drives an average of 40 miles per day. but, that average includes weekends, wacations, etc. i guess the average person never goes on weekend outings, or wacations? what does he do when he wants to go on a day trip? have another car? then, there's those of us who have a one way commute that's over 40 miles/day, forget round trip.
c'mon mortie, bob's right - this thread is about dream cars. electric cars really don't fall under that category, for the most part, unless you are talking about the rare tesla, or fiskars. unless you technically consider that nightmares are also dreams... :lol:
i am also with fullrangeman - car porn! ferrari's are nice, but man, when my (electric?) ship comes in, you can bet a lamborghini muira is certainly gonna be in the stable. a few years ago, a muira was in front of me during our local italian car tour day (there were three muiras on the tour that year), and the sound was to die for. no stereo required! :green:
doug s.
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(http://www.zercustoms.com/car-show/albums/userpics/10001/2000-TVR-Cerbera-Speed-12-2.jpg)
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(http://automotiveroom.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/AeroX_opening.jpg)
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Car Porn??
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=50732)
Ferrari "Agnelli" a "one of"
GTO after a hard day at the track.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=50733)
Steve
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Oops... reversed the labels..
Steve
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misinformed? mebbe amblin's buddy didn't need his prius batteries replaced? :scratch: and even if the batteries routinely last past 100k miles, the fact is it means that the walue as a used car is wirtually nil - i wouldn't hesitate to purchase a used toyota w/+100k on it - but not a prius. and, you did not address all the other issues mentioned, re: cost/pollution/logistics of assembly. and no, it's not simply the low wolume of units being made that is the cause... and yes, so the average person drives an average of 40 miles per day. but, that average includes weekends, wacations, etc. i guess the average person never goes on weekend outings, or wacations? what does he do when he wants to go on a day trip? have another car? then, there's those of us who have a one way commute that's over 40 miles/day, forget round trip.
c'mon mortie, bob's right - this thread is about dream cars. electric cars really don't fall under that category, for the most part, unless you are talking about the rare tesla, or fiskars. unless you technically consider that nightmares are also dreams... :lol:
i am also with fullrangeman - car porn! ferrari's are nice, but man, when my (electric?) ship comes in, you can bet a lamborghini muira is certainly gonna be in the stable. a few years ago, a muira was in front of me during our local italian car tour day (there were three muiras on the tour that year), and the sound was to die for. no stereo required! :green:
doug s.
I am sorry I do feel that I was partialy hyjacking the thread and I will keep the practical non practical aspects away for now. For me an all sustainable electric automobile world is a dream and I believe, that it is one that is comming to fruition. Sorry I get a little exited. By the way Ferrari just annonced that they will never build a electric vehicle at least until they start getting beatten by them! Thanks for the fun thread.
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Ferrari just annonced that they will never build a electric vehicle at least until they start getting beatten by them!
Ok, so it's not an electric....but here's a Ferrari getting spanked by a Smart Car:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5S1NAMnYKM
I'll still take the Ferrari given a choice.
Bob
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I am sorry I do feel that I was partialy hyjacking the thread and I will keep the practical non practical aspects away for now. For me an all sustainable electric automobile world is a dream and I believe, that it is one that is comming to fruition. Sorry I get a little exited. By the way Ferrari just annonced that they will never build a electric vehicle at least until they start getting beatten by them! Thanks for the fun thread.
Indeed the future generation of low carbon footprint mototring is very promising. Apart from the 'new energy breed' , the fossil powered V8s 're also getting more and more efficient, and also the increasing number of cheap and cheerful diesel cars in the market.
And about supercars and super sedans, I was once seriously drooling over the Maser Quattroporte GTS and booked several test drives. My god the magnificent italian soundtrack! IMO the soundtrack alone is worth at least half the pricetag. So i can understand why Ferrari wouldn't make an electric :green:(they also supply maser the 4.2 and 4.7 V8s). Oh, btw, and the supercharged big Jags, they sound like spitfires!
(http://www.barrettmotorcars.com/images/models/55/maserati_quattroporte_sport_gt_s_1.jpg)
Mmmmmm, sooo sexy in black...
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:D what is the above car.....?? soooo nice.. :D
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:D what is the above car.....?? soooo nice.. :D
That would be a Maserati Quattroporte Sport GTS (http://www.maserati.com/maserati/en/en/index/models/Quattroporte-Sport-GT-S.html).
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:D what is the above car.....?? soooo nice.. :D
Maserati Quattroporte Sport GT S :thumb:. The top of the range model. It even has some sort of variable valves in the exaust system-- by pressing the 'sport' button, the valves would open and create a short cut, reduce the back-pressure in the exhaust so you get a more distinctive V8 roar and more engine power.
:icon_lol: Seriously, i think it's the coolest feature ever fitted to a sports car. On other cars, the sport mode will first make the car ride like a wood wheel carriage, on this one, it roars. :lol:
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EDIT: Such a pity that 'dream wheels' almost always equal to 'remember to shut off your brain before you buy' . Otherwise you'll just end up like me: The wild dreams, the exciting test drives .. Then the sleepless nights and thoughts on the deflation rate, running cost.... and in the end i gave up on the charming super sedan and brought the Berlin taxi driver's favorite: an E class.
:scratch: Maybe it's just me working not hard enough and forgot to flick that little switch behind the ear--'MANUAL SHUT DOWN' . Otherwise i can go to the dealer with a crazy smile on my face and say 'Give me the paperwork! I'll get the black one!" :icon_lol:
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OK, OK.
A beautiful blonde puts a ad in the date newspaper:
Blonde, tall, handsome looking, seek man with car, send picture of the car to this POBox.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=50772)
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"A beautiful blonde puts a ad in the date newspaper:"
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Probably posted by teenage boy. In my limited experience, "nice" cars are a magnet for teenage boys, rarely for women of any age.
Steve
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"A beautiful blonde puts a ad in the date newspaper:"
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Probably posted by teenage boy. In my limited experience, "nice" cars are a magnet for teenage boys, rarely for women of any age.
Steve
It seems that Iam not a good joke-teller ...
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=50779)
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"A beautiful blonde puts a ad in the date newspaper:"
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Probably posted by teenage boy. In my limited experience, "nice" cars are a magnet for teenage boys, rarely for women of any age.
Steve
that has not been the experience of many. and, even if a lot of women do not like cars, a lot of women like very much men who can afford expensive cars. :wink: (cars certainly impress more women that audio gear, ar any rate! :lol: )
me, personally, i like cars, period. i never had the money to enjoy really expensive cars, either for their own sake, or to impress anyone. i have never bought a new car, and the most money i ever spent on a car was $21k... it's similar for me, to audio - buy used, and try to maximize the fun-per-dollar quotient. i don't buy audio stuff to try to impress anyone either.
doug s.
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full-range-man, i think everyone understands the joke; some folks simply may not be into cars like others are. 8) me, personally, i love the muira. and, its beauty is more than skin deep! :wink:
(http://www.wallpaperweb.org/wallpaper/cars/1600x1200/Lambo_miura_011600.jpg)
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a56/pyrus_/LamborghiniMiuraRoadster03.jpg)
this car is a joy to all senses, imo...
(http://images.picturesdepot.com/photo/l/lamborghini_miura-207013.jpg)
ymmv,
doug s.
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(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=50790)
Blonde driving a red car. No different than driving the gray car or the white car, etc.
Steve
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full-range-man, i think everyone understands the joke; some folks simply may not be into cars like others are. 8) me, personally, i love the muira. and, its beauty is more than skin deep! :wink:
ymmv,
doug s.
Beautiful... Never got the chance to actually see a 12 cylinder Muira in action but by looking at those magnificent organ pipes, i'm absolutely sure it'll be magnificent.
That's what all proper engines shall look like. Crinkle paint plus chromed pipes and brushed metal. Soo much better than the boring piece of black plastic engine cover.. :green:
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Thanks Doug for providing us with some car porn. Those 12 Webers are pretty sexy.
It's a shame a first year welding student ruined the dream though. Those cross braces look like hell. :duh:
Bob
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(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=50793)
2012 Alpina 6
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I'll just have to get by with this for now. 8)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=50798)
2000 BMW 740iL
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I like your style Jake.
Mine: 2002 M3
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=50802)
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3 Series what year?
James
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I see a new 6, older 7, M3, and "I got 5 on it"
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v422/motorcitym3/amp030.jpg)
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Beautiful... Never got the chance to actually see a 12 cylinder Muira in action but by looking at those magnificent organ pipes, i'm absolutely sure it'll be magnificent.
That's what all proper engines shall look like. Crinkle paint plus chromed pipes and brushed metal. Soo much better than the boring piece of black plastic engine cover.. :green:
yes, as pretty as it looks, it pales in comparison to the sound! :thumb:
doug s.
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Thanks Doug for providing us with some car porn. Those 12 Webers are pretty sexy.
It's a shame a first year welding student ruined the dream though. Those cross braces look like hell. :duh:
Bob
lol. looked fine to me.. sort of. :icon_lol: Definitely not the precision crafted german welds-manship :lol: but oh well, you know those optimistic italians, at least they welded it.
it reminds me my first test drive in the quattroporte , i said to the factory PR guy :' Mmmm, that's an interesting position you placed the button for the hazard lights..' ( 'hidden' behind the gear lever and it's inches away from any other buttons)
The guy replied ' Oh, if we put it on the center console,between the vents like mercedes does, there'll be no place left for the quartz clock'
see? Italians. :thumb:
In a Merc, time is very important, it's the function that matters. They place the clock inside the dash and on the sat-nav screen. so you never miss a minute of your precious time.
In a Maser, time is an decorative accessory. they place it on the center console , catchy, good looking, but there's no dial, so you'll never know what time it is when you're having fun.
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DOUG S:
Much Thanks for these Miura photos, :thumb:
I had never seen the engine Miura photos before, or even his triple carbs, actually a mobile work of art, much better than jewels ...
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=50819)
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Having a sneaking suspicion that Alain is a car guy as indicated by some of his recent posts in "Today's Smile" and this Topic from the past came to mind.
Care to share Alain?
Be well...
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I have my dream car. I bought it for $39k off eBay at 3am one night ten years ago.
The Aston Martin DB9 is the full package for me. It's timelessly beautiful, fast enough for all practical purposes (and, to be honest, IMpractical purposes...), has the utterly unique sound of a naturally-aspirated V12, and I can actually work on it myself.
Yes, it's "exotic" and things do go wrong, but for the most part they're things that don't need a dealer's intervention. The first set of coil packs last about 40,000 miles, and you have to remove the throttle bodies, intake manifolds, and fuel rails to get to the TWELVE of them, but a home mechanic can do it over a weekend. If you have a Volante (soft top), when the convertible roof module goes bad, pretty much all the electronics in the car go haywire until you unplug the failed unit. You don't ever want to let the battery die, or you'll be resetting things for weeks afterward. Changing the oil requires removing a couple of dozen bolts from the aluminum undertray.
But I've only had it at a dealer once, to flash the new convertible roof module after I installed it. Everything else is manageable, and I'm, (ouch) 72 now...
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=263506)
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=263504)
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=263507)