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you will not get a really quiet and good performing tube mc phono stage for under a grand, even used.......
sunnydazei don't know what you are disagreeing with, with my comment you quotedseems like you agree 100%how is your reading comprehension?
My comprehension is superb, thank you. Your original comment is a bit unclear:"you will not get a really quiet and good performing tube mc phono stage for under a grand, even used"Did you mean an all tubed unit for both the MM and MC sections?Or did you mean a MC unit that has tubes only in the MM section?I could be mistaken but I didn't sense that the OP meant the former. Just that he wanted tubes in the chain. And I thought you were possibly referring to the latter. Again, I could be mistaken. If you meant the former then yes I did agree with you.Since I wasn't sure, I covered the bases and gave my direct experience with several different versions, all with MC capability. That's all. Nothing wrong with providing info and experience, even if it's a touch off-topic.Is there a particular reason for your snarky comment?
I'm sorry but that comment from jjss49 was not unclear, and yours actually is.
More snarkiness.....Apparently you are the one with the reading comprehension problem. Read my comment again. If it still remains unclear, ask me a specific question and I will enlighten you. Anyone who knows anything about phono stages understands me perfectly.
Wow. How is that snarky? You mentioned 3 options that were not Tube based MC phono stages, which is what jjss49 was talking about specifically. I now truly believe you actually do have a reading comprehension problem... there...there's my snark.
Gimme a break! This getting silly and pedantic. I did indeed give 2 examples of "tubed MC phono stages". We are arguing semantics and definitions. I make a distinction between sections and stages. As do most folks who understand these things.A MM phono stage consists of a MM section only. A MC phono stage consists of two sections = a MC section and a MM section. Either or both sections can be tubed.To me, when you say "tubed MC phono stage" (which is what the OP is requesting) the meaning is that only one section needs to be tubed...usually the MM section.If the intent is for tubes in both sections, the terminology needs to be "all tubed". For clarity. So we don't have the kind of misunderstanding that you are having on this.And I clearly stated all this across my two replies.I also clearly stated that I believed that the OP's intent was for tubes somewhere in the phono stage, not necessarily an "all tubed" unit. Completely reasonable, given his exact words: "Did I mention I want tubes". He doesn't say "all tubed".So I gave 2 examples of gear that meet this exact criteria.As far as the SS unit I mentioned....OP clearly states: "Doesn't have to be tubes" You obviously missed this part.So tell me again.....who has the reading comprehension problem?
Wow, firstly, I did not mention the OP or his preferences at all, just responded to your quote of jjss49 who referred to tubed MC phono stages not being great under $1000... and your response of "I disagree" and rattle off three phono premaps that were either MM tube stages with SUT and one all solid state. None of those are what I would call Tube MC phono pres which was referred to in that post. And for the record (no pun intended), the OP did not request tubed MC phono stages, he clearly asked for phono stages that work with his MC cart with a preference for tubes. Yes you gave those options, but oddly in disagreement (yet agreement in a round about way) to jjss49's statement. That's all. Whew - somebody didn't eat their Wheaties this morning.
What exactly is your problem?! You are talking a bunch of jibberish and are factually incorrect.In my first post I responded to both the OP and jjss49. I gave the OP exactly what he seeks: recs for both tubed and SS MC phono stages. And I disagreed with jjss49 about what is possible for under $1k. So what? My opinion. That's what these boards are for. And I was a little unclear about exactly what he meant by "tubed". That's why I added my comment about "all tubed being too noisey". For clarity on how I was using the term "tubed". So if you believe I was not being responsive, perhaps we simply had a definitional disconnect. Get over it, man!At least I offer something of value. What do you offer to this thread? Nothing but a shitty attitude and arguing for the sake of arguing. I suggest you leave your "other board" attitude at the door.And you are dead wrong. I did not recommend two setups with SUT + tubed MM. Only one. The other one was SS head amp + tubed MM section. Clearly stated in my post. And all three gears I mentioned are integrated single piece units. Hence the term "tube MC phono stage" for the two non-SS ones.....because they both have tubed MM sections. I suggest you re-read my original post. Reading incomprehension...... again.I don't care that you don't call them tubed MC phono stages. They are, and I do. And so does everyone else in the know. And I clearly explained my understanding of the terminology. Even if I'm mistaken you should understand exactly what I mean and exactly where I'm coming from, and cut me some slack. If you don't you have some sort of problem. Reading incomprehension again? And what in the hell is your "for the record" point?! OP seeks MC phono stage recs, tubes preferred, but SS is acceptable. So yes, he most definitely is seeking "tubed phono stage recs". That you say otherwise defies logic. He is also seeking SS recs. I gave him both. So what exactly is your problem?! As far as my "all tubed" discussion.....You are clearly confused. I suggest you go back to my first post and what follows to understand. Jjss used the word "tubed" and on my first post I was unsure of how he defined it. Did he mean an all tubed circuit or just some tubes? And my reply hinted at that confusion. Too nuanced and "between the lines" reading for you, perhaps? But I did think the OP just wanted some tubes but not necessarily "all tubed". So I made my recs based on OP needs. It was only after jjss replied to my post that it became clear that he meant "all tubed". My last reply to you about definitions and terminology was because you clearly also thought jjss49 was referring to "all tubed". Why else would you say I "did not provide any tubed MC recs". When in fact I had, based on my understanding of things at the time, and what the OP was seeking. So I was explaining to you why my recs are "tubed", and that apparently there was a misunderstanding over the the word "tubed". That's all. If you had read my posts this would be clear. But clearly these nuances and intricacies escape you. Reading incomprehension....again.Good grief man! Is it painful to be so pedantic and argumentative?! And wrong! Why the chip on your shoulder and confrontational attitude? I'm done discussing this with you. I suggest you go back to your $50 CraigsList turntable and educate yourself on the vinyl world.PS: typing in one solid block without paragraph breaks is a sign of low IQ. Just sayin.
you will not get a really quiet and good performing tube mc phono stage for under a grand, even used
I disagree.
I bought three, all used in the $500 to $600 range. All do both MM and MC and IMO all are detailed, quiet and musical:JuicyMusic Tercel mk2 (SUT + tube MM)Blue Circle BC27-pi (all solid state)Tavish Audio Vintage 6SL7 (SS head amp + tube MM)
I love tubes but would not consider all tubed, including the MC section, as a good path. Too noisey.
My advise is tubes in MM section, and either SS or SUT for the additional MC gain.
That's all. If you had read my posts this would be clear. But clearly these nuances and intricacies escape you.
I suggest you go back to your $50 CraigsList turntable and educate yourself on the vinyl world.PS: typing in one solid block without paragraph breaks is a sign of low IQ. Just sayin.
I'm done discussing this with you.
