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Audio/Video Gear and Systems => Tube-o-phile Circle => Topic started by: mresseguie on 26 Jul 2022, 09:57 pm

Title: Looking for recommendations for great sounding 300B tube amps
Post by: mresseguie on 26 Jul 2022, 09:57 pm
I have next to no experience with 300B amps. I'd like to begin some research into 300B amps, and figured there must be people here who can suggest this or that amp. Just for kicks, let's say my budget is as much as $6000 USD.

Thank you for any suggestions.

Michael
Title: Re: Looking for recommendations for great sounding 300B tube amps
Post by: deadhead on 27 Jul 2022, 12:17 am
I bought one from Toolshed Amps.  It started at your number but after I got done with upgrades it was closer to 10k.   It's built like a tank and the sound is glorious.
Title: Re: Looking for recommendations for great sounding 300B tube amps
Post by: Blackmore on 27 Jul 2022, 12:32 am
I just bought the Consonance Audio Ref 5.5 mk 2 special edition from Stereo Haven in Illinois. It's a bit more modest in price than your budget at $3500 and uses a parallel pair of 300B tubes for around 18 watts per channel. Besides having a remote, it has taps for 8 and 16 ohms so it's a natural for my Falcon LS3/5a and Altec Valencias.  Kinda cool piece of gear that can play with more speakers than you'd normally pair with a 300B tube.  Don Better Audio has this amp too.

Good luck with your journey into 300B-land
Title: Re: Looking for recommendations for great sounding 300B tube amps
Post by: Rusty Jefferson on 27 Jul 2022, 12:45 am
David Berning is making SET and Push/Pull bespoke 300b amplifiers to order. Trickle down technology from his 845 amplifier line. Amazing performance. Actually has full range response. Rock solid bass, extended top end and the magic midrange. Within your range. He's making one for me now.
Title: Re: Looking for recommendations for great sounding 300B tube amps
Post by: Dieterle Tool on 27 Jul 2022, 12:49 am
^ this sounds amazing!

Michael, please give Gordan and the crew at Wavelength some consideration as well...  https://www.wavelengthaudio.com/products/

-Dieter
Title: Re: Looking for recommendations for great sounding 300B tube amps
Post by: mresseguie on 27 Jul 2022, 01:41 am
I bought one from Toolshed Amps.  It started at your number but after I got done with upgrades it was closer to 10k.   It's built like a tank and the sound is glorious.

^ this sounds amazing!

Michael, please give Gordan and the crew at Wavelength some consideration as well...  https://www.wavelengthaudio.com/products/

-Dieter

I just bought the Consonance Audio Ref 5.5 mk 2 special edition from Stereo Haven in Illinois. It's a bit more modest in price than your budget at $3500 and uses a parallel pair of 300B tubes for around 18 watts per channel. Besides having a remote, it has taps for 8 and 16 ohms so it's a natural for my Falcon LS3/5a and Altec Valencias.  Kinda cool piece of gear that can play with more speakers than you'd normally pair with a 300B tube.  Don Better Audio has this amp too.

Good luck with your journey into 300B-land

David Berning is making SET and Push/Pull bespoke 300b amplifiers to order. Trickle down technology from his 845 amplifier line. Amazing performance. Actually has full range response. Rock solid bass, extended top end and the magic midrange. Within your range. He's making one for me now.

Very interesting!

I had not known about Toolshed Amps, Consonance, nor Wavelength till you guys posted your replies. Very cool stuff....I knew David Berning sells amps, but I didn't know he made 300B as well. I'll look into all of these as time permits in the next couple weeks.

I'll be at Pacific Audio Fest this weekend, and I'll keep my eyes peeled for any 300B amps there.

Michael
Title: Re: Looking for recommendations for great sounding 300B tube amps
Post by: SET Man on 27 Jul 2022, 02:01 am
Hey!

    If you can swing a soldering iron, perhaps the Audio Note Interstage 300B Monoblock with C-Core output transformers kit.

Buddy
Title: Re: Looking for recommendations for great sounding 300B tube amps
Post by: tull skull on 27 Jul 2022, 03:47 am
Hey!

    If you can swing a soldering iron, perhaps the Audio Note Interstage 300B Monoblock with C-Core output transformers kit.

Buddy

Elekit also has a 300B amp kit.
Title: Re: Looking for recommendations for great sounding 300B tube amps
Post by: mresseguie on 27 Jul 2022, 05:13 am
SET man and tull skull,

Great suggestions. However, my soldering skills are not so great and I lack confidence to tackle these kits alone. I might try my hand at an entry level component, but not at this level.
Title: Re: Looking for recommendations for great sounding 300B tube amps
Post by: TomS on 27 Jul 2022, 12:49 pm
Speaking of PAF, I'd chat with Dan Wright. He has an offering here in the Ambrose Ai325, somewhat above your price, but beautiful work as usual from them.
https://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=163581.0 (https://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=163581.0)
Title: Re: Looking for recommendations for great sounding 300B tube amps
Post by: FullRangeMan on 27 Jul 2022, 01:11 pm
I dont like the 300B tube but always liked the LM and MingDa amps why the heating are AC or were some years ago.

Integrated:
http://www.mei-xing.com/english/English/cp/1_300-A.html
Title: Re: Looking for recommendations for great sounding 300B tube amps
Post by: mresseguie on 27 Jul 2022, 01:35 pm
Speaking of PAF, I'd chat with Dan Wright. He has an offering here in the Ambrose Ai325, somewhat above your price, but beautiful work as usual from them.
https://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=163581.0 (https://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=163581.0)

I'm not sure he's still offering this amp, but I've already contacted him about another of his offerings, and will visit him this weekend. Thanks for the information.

Title: Re: Looking for recommendations for great sounding 300B tube amps
Post by: RonP on 27 Jul 2022, 01:36 pm
If it helps, DecWare is working on a 300B

https://www.decware.com/cgi-bin/yabb22/YaBB.pl?num=1649817393/0

Title: Re: Looking for recommendations for great sounding 300B tube amps
Post by: mresseguie on 27 Jul 2022, 01:37 pm
I dont like the 300B tube but always liked the LM and MingDa amps why the heating are AC or were some years ago.

Integrated:
http://www.mei-xing.com/english/English/cp/1_300-A.html

I'm not sure what you mean by "...why the heating are AC...". Please explain.
Title: Re: Looking for recommendations for great sounding 300B tube amps
Post by: FullRangeMan on 27 Jul 2022, 01:46 pm
I'm not sure what you mean by "...why the heating are AC...". Please explain.
AC heating delivery a wider soundstage and cheaper than DC heating at expense of some noise floor.
Title: Re: Looking for recommendations for great sounding 300B tube amps
Post by: opnly bafld on 27 Jul 2022, 02:01 pm
If it helps, DecWare is working on a 300B

https://www.decware.com/cgi-bin/yabb22/YaBB.pl?num=1649817393/0

If he is not in a hurry, order now, receive the amplifier in 2 years.
Title: Re: Looking for recommendations for great sounding 300B tube amps
Post by: opnly bafld on 27 Jul 2022, 02:09 pm
I'm not sure what you mean by "...why the heating are AC...". Please explain.

I would suggest some research on 300b filament supply ac or dc.
Designers debate which is better.
Title: Re: Looking for recommendations for great sounding 300B tube amps
Post by: FullRangeMan on 27 Jul 2022, 02:55 pm
I would suggest some research on 300b filament supply ac or dc.
Designers debate which is better.
I suspect builders will say AC heating are better cause are simpler, use less parts, but if the user have a hi sensitivity speaker he maybe prefer DC. 
Thats heating DC regulators boards also impacts negatively the sound.
Title: Re: Looking for recommendations for great sounding 300B tube amps
Post by: morganc on 27 Jul 2022, 03:03 pm
The two within your price range that I've owned are the Coincident Frankensteins and the Audion Golden Dreams.  There has been a used Audion on USA Mart for a while.  It's $15k retail and now at $6k.   The Audion is more linear and has more output.  i first heard the Audion in LA at the home of a music insider who was a huge Zu fan and became hooked on its sound.  I've owned the Coincident 3 separate times.  Great Amp, just not quite enough power. 
Title: Re: Looking for recommendations for great sounding 300B tube amps
Post by: borism on 27 Jul 2022, 03:13 pm
There are two additional 300B amplifiers (not yet mentioned) that I've never heard but that got good reviews and are in your price range:

Feliks Audio Arioso 300B integrated amplifier through Upscale Audio (reviewed by Steve Guttenberg),
Aric Audio Super 300 SET (reviewed by Terry London)

It's nice to have so many choices. Good Luck!
Title: Re: Looking for recommendations for great sounding 300B tube amps
Post by: rooze on 27 Jul 2022, 03:45 pm
Allnic Audio A6000 if you can find a pair. These will put out 60w running the 300b xls tubes and are sweet sounding with plenty of muscle.
Title: Re: Looking for recommendations for great sounding 300B tube amps
Post by: opnly bafld on 27 Jul 2022, 03:56 pm
I suspect builders will say AC heating are better cause are simpler, use less parts, but if the user have a hi sensitivity speaker he maybe prefer DC. 
Thats heating DC regulators boards also impacts negatively the sound.

 :shake:

I suspect the only thing you have right is "if the user have a hi sensitivity speaker he maybe prefer DC".
Title: Re: Looking for recommendations for great sounding 300B tube amps
Post by: richidoo on 27 Jul 2022, 08:41 pm
Best 300B amps I've heard are Border Patrol. (https://www.borderpatrol.net/)
Title: Re: Looking for recommendations for great sounding 300B tube amps
Post by: Delta77 on 28 Jul 2022, 03:02 am
I’ll throw one more in the ring..

I have little experience beyond my own system..

I have 2 tube amps in rotation a Decware “ZMA”, and a Aric Audio “Super 300B”..
I like them both , but I would probably give the edge to the Aric Audio..
Priced similar around the $6,000 mark.. Both hand made by a boutique company..
On my Tektons (94db-?) both seem to have about the same power output..

Good luck in your search.,
Title: Re: Looking for recommendations for great sounding 300B tube amps
Post by: mresseguie on 28 Jul 2022, 10:22 pm
Wow. I've got my homework now. Many thanks for all your suggestions. I will look into all of them. PAF begins tomorrow, and my ears will be open to what's available there.

Thank you.  :thumb: