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Title: CD player
Post by: rcag_ils on 16 Jul 2022, 03:56 pm
I have been using my AMC CD player that I purchased back in the late 90's or early 2000's for years. I've just found out it will not play the newer CDs, it keeps giving me an error message says "no CD". Can anyone tell me why? Is it time to buy a new CD player? Do they still make CD players, if so, what kind, or what is it called?

PS, I am from the era where we did not have internet, computer, cell phone, we just had the calculators, and they were big deal then. I know nothing about iTunes or playing music through a laptop with sound card. I cannot tell the difference between an iPhone and an android, cell phone to me is to make phone call during emergency. Just want to get it out of the way.

 Also, I don't know what MP3 is, all I know is its music related.

Title: Re: CD player
Post by: Dieterle Tool on 16 Jul 2022, 04:35 pm
Plenty of (new) options for you...

https://www.musicdirect.com/equipment/disc-player?#/+/0/score/desc/?tab=products

https://www.audioadvisor.com/products.asp?dept=5

Try these two on-line vendors for a variety of cd players. Just poke on either of those attachments and it will send you right to the cd players. You can also call for support with making a decision. There are other on-line sources as well. If you are not comfortable with buying sight-unseen (even with money back guarantees), you may still have a brick-and-mortar store that can assist you.

-Dieter
Title: Re: CD player
Post by: rcag_ils on 16 Jul 2022, 05:08 pm
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Plenty of (new) options for you...

https://www.musicdirect.com/equipment/disc-player?#/+/0/score/desc/?tab=products

https://www.audioadvisor.com/products.asp?dept=5

Try these two on-line vendors for a variety of cd players. Just poke on either of those attachments and it will send you right to the cd players. You can also call for support with making a decision. There are other on-line sources as well. If you are not comfortable with buying sight-unseen (even with money back guarantees), you may still have a brick-and-mortar store that can assist you.

-Dieter

Thanks for the links. I forgot to mention I may not need a full CD player, since I already have an AVA D to A converter. I remember Frank said, "just get a cheap CD player and use it as a transport and run it through the D to A converter." I googled CD transport and they are not cheap, some of them are over $10,000 for crying out loud. I just need something that can decode whatever new stuff that they put in the newer CDs, my old CD player can play the old CDs just fine, just a few new CDs that I bought two weeks ago would not play, keeps saying "no disc" and I know the disc is in there.
Title: Re: CD player
Post by: dpatters on 16 Jul 2022, 05:28 pm
Audiolab 6000CDT dedicated CD transport. 479.99 on Amazon.

Don P
Title: Re: CD player
Post by: Loki57 on 16 Jul 2022, 06:35 pm
I use a cheap Marantz  cdp feeding my Allnic dac. Sounds good to me.
Title: Re: CD player
Post by: Doublej on 16 Jul 2022, 07:06 pm
I use an old laptop with a DVD player to feed a USB DAC. You can find new stand alone DVD players with with coaxial digital outputs for under $50.

Got either lying around to try?
Title: Re: CD player
Post by: Carlman on 16 Jul 2022, 08:29 pm
What new cd did you buy? I don't think anything has changed for standard cd decoding.
Is it possible you bought a dvd-a or something?
I use my DVD player to spin cds. It is a refurbished older model. No issues on new cds.

There is a chance something else is wrong... But make sure you are solving the right problem.
Title: Re: CD player
Post by: vrao81 on 16 Jul 2022, 10:20 pm
OP are you like 86 years old?  :o How does anyone not know what mp3's are.
Title: Re: CD player
Post by: mick wolfe on 16 Jul 2022, 10:32 pm
Audiolab 6000CDT dedicated CD transport. 479.99 on Amazon.

Don P

Couldn't agree more. Lots of transports out there to choose from. Many under $1K as well.
Title: Re: CD player
Post by: opnly bafld on 16 Jul 2022, 11:45 pm
I remember Frank said, "just get a cheap CD player and use it as a transport and run it through the D to A converter." I googled CD transport and they are not cheap, some of them are over $10,000 for crying out loud.

Cheap CD player as a transport, not a CD transport.
Title: Re: CD player
Post by: rcag_ils on 16 Jul 2022, 11:46 pm
I bought the Neil Young "Young Shakespeare Deluxe", came with vinyl record, CD and DVD, the CD is the one that gives me trouble. My player plays the old CD fine, but this new one gives me the "no disc" error message after I loaded the CD in.

I knew someone would bring age into the discussion. No, I am not 86 years old, I just never had the interest in MP3, so I do not know what it is.

I don't want to sink a bunch of money into something just because it's "new". I need something with the Walmart special price tag that can play newer CD.
Title: Re: CD player
Post by: opnly bafld on 17 Jul 2022, 12:08 am
Redbook CDs have never changed, if an old one plays, a new one should play (unless there is something wrong with the disc).
Title: Re: CD player
Post by: maxima95 on 17 Jul 2022, 12:38 am
rcag_ils

Regarding MP3s, ignorance is bliss.  You are not missing much at all.

vrao81

Nice constructive post.  I'm sure it was real helpful to the OP.
Title: Re: CD player
Post by: WGH on 17 Jul 2022, 01:06 am
I always bought cheap Sony DVD players at a big box store for my woodshop. The sawdust would eventually kill them but they played CDs just fine until they died. Navigation wasn't as elegant as a real CD player but I usually just inserted a disk and let it play through anyway. $34.99 at Best Buy.

I ran the digital out into an old Van Alstine Insight DAC, rockin' at the woodshop!

Title: Re: CD player
Post by: rcag_ils on 17 Jul 2022, 05:52 am
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I always bought cheap Sony DVD players at a big box store

WGH, maybe that's the route I should take, get a DVD player and not a CD player, most CD players are going for about $199 at the low end. Hopefully the DVD player can play what a CD player cannot.

I just read the fine print on the CD, it says "source mastered from 192/24 digital", it's new to me, maybe my old CD player cannot read whatever that is.
Title: Re: CD player
Post by: JLM on 17 Jul 2022, 11:46 am
MP3 is a lower resolution format than Redbook (CD quality).  Used to save processing and storage memory requirements.  With modern gear it's pretty much obsolete. 
Title: Re: CD player
Post by: opnly bafld on 17 Jul 2022, 11:47 am
If it is a CD (from what I saw it is just a CD), it doesn't matter how the music is recorded, it should play on any CD player.

Although I have a cheap Sony DVD player that I use occasionally to play CDs I don't really like it for several reasons, but mainly because the drive is loud and annoying with certain types of music.
Title: Re: CD player
Post by: charmerci on 17 Jul 2022, 12:54 pm
Can't you try it in a friend's CD player? How about running to a thrift store and getting one for $5/10? You can even bring the disc there and plug the player into an outlet and trying it before buying it.
Title: Re: CD player
Post by: rcag_ils on 17 Jul 2022, 03:52 pm
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Can't you try it in a friend's CD player?

Most of friends that have CD players haven't used them for years or don't care to use it.

This particular CD says, "source mastered from 192/24 digital" and it doesn't have the regular "compact disc" logo, the logo looks like a half of a reel-to -reel, does it mean anything? It's new to me, maybe that's why my 20-year-old CD player won't play it.
Title: Re: CD player
Post by: ksbruce on 17 Jul 2022, 04:33 pm
That sounds like a DVD-A.
Title: Re: CD player
Post by: maxima95 on 17 Jul 2022, 04:48 pm
Is this it? https://cover.box3.net/index.php?pid=cove2&p=v&rid=177268&&por=5&mod=cd

Is this the only disc that won't read? 

If so, as Carlman stated above, the problem may not be the player.  There may be a peculiarity with this disc.
Not sure if 24/192 remastering has anything to do with it.




Title: Re: CD player
Post by: Craig B on 17 Jul 2022, 05:01 pm
Is this it? https://cover.box3.net/index.php?pid=cove2&p=v&rid=177268&&por=5&mod=cd

Is this the only disc that won't read? 

If so, as Carlman stated above, the problem may not be the player.  There may be a peculiarity with this disc.
Not sure if 24/192 remastering has anything to do with it.

I doubt the master source would have any effect on its playability in any device. Chances are it's either a bad disc, or the old player is starting to die. If it happens on other discs, too, the player is the more likely problem.
Title: Re: CD player
Post by: low.pfile on 17 Jul 2022, 05:22 pm

Can you just insert the disc into a computer with a CD/DVD slot and see what shows up on the disc volume? not to play it – just to see the disc content. each track would have a .flac suffix, and most standard CD players cannot play that format (even newer players).

Note that at the bottom of this page on Discogs, you can see the various releases. there are a couple of CD releases, no DVD-A versions, but one FLAC version. I wonder if that was delivered on a CD?

https://www.discogs.com/release/18001048-Neil-Young-Young-Shakespeare

Title: Re: CD player
Post by: WGH on 17 Jul 2022, 07:07 pm
Can you just insert the disc into a computer with a CD/DVD slot and see what shows up on the disc volume? not to play it – just to see the disc content. each track would have a .flac suffix, and most standard CD players cannot play that format (even newer players).

Note that at the bottom of this page on Discogs, you can see the various releases. there are a couple of CD releases, no DVD-A versions, but one FLAC version. I wonder if that was delivered on a CD?

https://www.discogs.com/release/18001048-Neil-Young-Young-Shakespeare

I have the Young Shakespeare album. It is physically impossible to fit the 192kHz-24bit flac files on a CD because the album is 1.53GB. The album is available as a digital download at HD Tracks
https://www.hdtracks.com/#/album/6059f83ab1f51d1463f9bb1a (https://www.hdtracks.com/#/album/6059f83ab1f51d1463f9bb1a)

The reason some disks don't play is the CD drive is dying, happened to me all the time. Usually the burned CDs are the first to fail at reading, then random store bought CDs start failing.
Title: Re: CD player
Post by: rcag_ils on 17 Jul 2022, 08:21 pm
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Can you just insert the disc into a computer with a CD/DVD slot and see what shows up on the disc volume? not to play it – just to see the disc content. each track would have a .flac suffix, and most standard CD players cannot play that format (even newer players).

Note that at the bottom of this page on Discogs, you can see the various releases. there are a couple of CD releases, no DVD-A versions, but one FLAC version. I wonder if that was delivered on a CD?

I never would have guessed. Mine does say 192/24 on it so I have to assume it is the FLAC version, what the hell is FLAC anyway? Why would they sell it as a CD in the deluxe box set, and how in the hell am I supposed to play it? (I'll put it in the computer to confirm it later).
Title: Re: CD player
Post by: aln on 17 Jul 2022, 08:31 pm
Many cds have a audio file on them - you copy the file to your computer to listen to it.  Steven Wilson does this with his King Crimson remasters-a regular cd and a cd with the audio files on it - 5.1 file,  24 bit file and so on.  Cool stuff!
Title: Re: CD player
Post by: rcag_ils on 17 Jul 2022, 08:32 pm
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I doubt the master source would have any effect on its playability in any device. Chances are it's either a bad disc, or the old player is starting to die. If it happens on other discs, too, the player is the more likely problem.

Craig B, so you are saying a new regular CD player would play it? My CD player may be old, but doesn't get used much comparing to how other listeners use their equipment.
Title: Re: CD player
Post by: rcag_ils on 17 Jul 2022, 08:42 pm
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Is this it? https://cover.box3.net/index.php?pid=cove2&p=v&rid=177268&&por=5&mod=cd

Is this the only disc that won't read?

Maxima95, yes this is the one.
Title: Re: CD player
Post by: WGH on 17 Jul 2022, 09:36 pm
Mine does say 192/24 on it so I have to assume it is the FLAC version, what the hell is FLAC anyway? Why would they sell it as a CD in the deluxe box set, and how in the hell am I supposed to play it? (I'll put it in the computer to confirm it later).

All the physical disks of Young Shakespeare have "SOURCE MASTERED FROM 192/24 Digital", that doesn't mean that it is hi-res, or it's flac.

Put the CD in a computer and open it in Windows File Explorer. You will see .cda at the end of all the songs.
What the hell is .cda anyway?
.cda is a common filename extension denoting a small (44 byte) stub file generated by Microsoft Windows for each audio track on a standard "Red Book" CD-DA format audio CD
Red Book is 44.1kHZ-16bit.

Notice the label says 33 1/3 RPM and the small hole in the middle. This is the vinyl!
(https://www.discobuzz.fr/12188-23805-thickbox_default/neil-young-young-shakespeare-live-lp-vinyl-album-folk-rock-music.jpg)

Flac is basically a zip file for music, usually .WAV files. The music file is compressed without throwing away data like a mp3. A FLAC file can contain additional info like artist, song title, album title, year, composer and a lot more whereas a WAV file can't include any additional data like that.
Title: Re: CD player
Post by: rcag_ils on 17 Jul 2022, 10:30 pm
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All the physical disks of Young Shakespeare have "SOURCE MASTERED FROM 192/24 Digital", that doesn't mean that it is hi-res, or it's flac.

WGH, so you are saying that it should play just like a regular CD, but it doesn't. Bad CD? Or it's not even a music CD, just a bunch of music files on a disk for you to manipulate not play? Player on its way out, but it still plays older CD with no problem?

Should I just be happy with the vinyl in the box set works?
Title: Re: CD player
Post by: WGH on 17 Jul 2022, 11:23 pm
Don't know, could be all the above. I don't know what you bought, I have the digital download only. The Deluxe set includes a vinyl record, CD, and DVD. Please don't tell us you are putting the DVD into the CD player.

(https://media-us.cdn.prod.wmgecom.com/media/catalog/product/cache/63/image/600x/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/n/y/ny_young_shakespeare_deluxe_1.png)

Put the CD in your computer it can be played using WIMP (Windows media Player)

If the computer coughs up a hairball and can't access the disk then it's a bad disk.

Title: Re: CD player
Post by: low.pfile on 17 Jul 2022, 11:43 pm
Seems fairly easy to first just check the CD itself is not a dud, try in another player:
- your DVD player
- a family member's, friend's, or neighbor's DVD player or portable CD player or computer
- older car stereo
- or go to an electronics store and play on display device





Title: Re: CD player
Post by: rcag_ils on 18 Jul 2022, 12:33 am
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Please don't tell us you are putting the DVD into the CD player.

No, I did not put the DVD into the CD player, I know that much. DVD is still in shrink wrap unopened.

I will try it in my DVD player and my computer and see.
Title: Re: CD player
Post by: rcag_ils on 18 Jul 2022, 02:54 pm
Well, I put the disc in my computer, and it played. I listened to it through my computer speakers, and it sounded like AM radio. The track file extension showed .cda

Then I put the disc in my AMC CD player, it made some noise then the front display showed "No Disc".

I put the disc in my 8-year-old Sony Blu-ray DVD player, and it also played through the TV. However, that Blu-ray player has no front panel control, no front panel display, everything is done via the remote so I can't use it in my sound system since I would have to be able to tell what track is playing.

In any case, it's nice to know the disc is not defective, it's just made for the millennial, not an old guy like me, but what do millennial know about Neil Young anyway? Now I am making this an age issue, it really pisses me off.

Would a cheap Walmart DVD player with audio output solve this problem? Assuming DVD player can play whatever that the CD can play and more.
Title: Re: CD player
Post by: dpatters on 18 Jul 2022, 03:47 pm
Why buy a DVD player to play CDs? Just buy a cheap CD player or CD transport and be done.
Title: Re: CD player
Post by: Doublej on 18 Jul 2022, 03:57 pm
Why buy a DVD player to play CDs? Just buy a cheap CD player or CD transport and be done.

There are no cheap CD players (that I can find), only inexpensive (sub $50) DVD players. A 3.5mm to RCA jack cable from the computer to his audio system or even a $20 USB DAC connected between the computer and his audio system will address his issue but where's the fun in that?
Title: Re: CD player
Post by: WGH on 18 Jul 2022, 04:08 pm
However, that Blu-ray player has no front panel control, no front panel display, everything is done via the remote so I can't use it in my sound system since I would have to be able to tell what track is playing.

Would a cheap Walmart DVD player with audio output solve this problem? Assuming DVD player can play whatever that the CD can play and more.

Yes, replacing a 25 year old worn out broken CD player with a new CD/DVD player will solve your problem, just like replacing my 20 year old Sears Kenmore washer solved my problem.
But, unlike my new washer, a new DVD player, even though affordable, will also make new problems.

You discovered one problem during your problem solving journey: navigation. Depending on the DVD player you may or may not get a track number, which is real hard if you want to hear just one song. Don't even think about audio books on CD, finding the chapter where you stopped is an exercise in counting.

A second potential problem is audio quality. DVD players are optimized for coax digital output, not analog. You may have noticed I used the digital output of my cheap Sony DVD into an AVA DAC. I never tried the analog outs. I would guess that low jitter, noise rejection, filtering, multiple regulated power supplies, dynamic range, transparency, polypropylene capacitors in the signal path and the newest high-capacity power supply capacitors are not included in the analog output of a $35 DVD player.

What did you pay for your CD player 25 years ago? You should spend at least that much now to get the same sound quality now, probably more because of inflation.

The Music Room has a nice selection of certified CD players, TMR is an A++ seller of used equipment. Their used CD players would sound much better than any new $200 player you can find.
https://tmraudio.com/search-results-page?q=cd%20players (https://tmraudio.com/search-results-page?q=cd%20players)

Title: Re: CD player
Post by: jmc207 on 18 Jul 2022, 05:11 pm
You may want to check here. Prices start at $199.

https://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/category/cdplayer/home-audio/audio-components/cd-sacd-players/1.html
Title: Re: CD player
Post by: rcag_ils on 18 Jul 2022, 05:16 pm
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There are no cheap CD players (that I can find), only inexpensive (sub $50) DVD players. A 3.5mm to RCA jack cable from the computer to his audio system or even a $20 USB DAC connected between the computer and his audio system will address his issue but where's the fun in that?

dplatters, Doublej is right, there's no such thing as "cheap CD player", it's all about marketing, the millennial don't play CD and have no use for the CD player, any CD players are considered "audiophile" equipment now, they have to target the audiophile few, so they charge. I looked, the cheapest CD players are about $300 and may not play this CD.

Even DVD players are on their way out, they try to get everyone to stream their music and video, what a bunch of bullshit.
Title: Re: CD player
Post by: dpatters on 18 Jul 2022, 05:29 pm
Isn’t Audiocircle a forum for audiophiles?
Title: Re: CD player
Post by: Doublej on 18 Jul 2022, 08:12 pm
Some of us are frugal audiophiles.
Title: Re: CD player
Post by: maxima95 on 18 Jul 2022, 08:16 pm

Since you already have an AVA DAC, the player in the link below has a Coaxial Digital Out.  You could use an RCA Interconnect* from this Output to the corresponding Digital Input on the AVA DAC (*NOTE - a cable made for this purpose (an RCA SPDIF cable) would, based upon what I've heard, sound better - but for this experiment, an RCA Interconnect would do).

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Sony-1080p-Upscaling-HDMI-DVD-Player-DVP-SR510H/20370542?wmlspartner=wlpa&selectedSellerId=0&wl13=5968&adid=2222222227720370542_117755028669_12420145346&wmlspartner=wmtlabs&wl0=&wl1=g&wl2=c&wl3=501107745824&wl4=pla-293946777986&wl5=9008192&wl6=&wl7=&wl8=&wl9=pla&wl10=8175035&wl11=local&wl12=20370542&wl13=5968&veh=sem_LIA&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI5bzsrJ2D-QIVvj2tBh0tvQCqEAQYAyABEgJjYPD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds
Title: Re: CD player
Post by: Doublej on 18 Jul 2022, 08:44 pm
Here's one with a display and a digital coaxial output.

https://www.amazon.com/Megatek-Region-Free-Connection-Full-HD-Upscaling/dp/B07PNMTP1Y

And a less expensive one with a display and coaxial (digital?) output.

https://www.amazon.com/UEME-Players-Coaxial-Include-Supports/dp/B085NGFWNJ

Title: Re: CD player
Post by: WGH on 18 Jul 2022, 09:03 pm
... there's no such thing as "cheap CD player", it's all about marketing, the millennial don't play CD and have no use for the CD player, any CD players are considered "audiophile" equipment now, they have to target the audiophile few, so they charge. I looked, the cheapest CD players are about $300 and may not play this CD.

... what a bunch of bullshit.

Looks like we are posting in the Grumpy Old Man Circle. I'll be 74 in a couple of months so I'll fit right in.

I doubt any company is getting rich selling $300 CD players. How much did you spend on your AMC CD player? You never said. I would guess $199 in 1999.
Using an inflation calculator that AMC CD player would cost $353.94 today.

And you got a good one, I found a post from 2005:
"I had the AMC CD8b 24/96 CD player for awhile. It sounded very good, but it was flakey...after several years of ownership, the transport mechanism began to read "No Disc" every other time I placed a CD in it. I think others were known to have the same issues, so I would advise against purchasing a used one. I don't know how well their newer players rate, or who even sells them (AudioAdvisor.com sold the CD8b for $199 back in its day)." 1

Sam Tellig raved about the the Radio Shack Optimus CD-3400 in Stereophile (6/30/1995) (https://www.stereophile.com/cdplayers/480/index.html). The CD-3400 retailed for $179.99 but usually on sale for $129.95. Maybe you can find one of those. eBay has some Optimus CD players listed.

I paid $249 for a NAD 5325 CD player in 1990.

Sam Tellig also raved about the Marantz CD-63. I bought one for $399 in 1994. It stopped reading CDs in 2006. That was the last CD player I owned and went all digital. I bought a Scott Nixon DAC and a Hagerman USB kit, ripped all my CDs and streamed from a laptop. My system has evolved since then.

Currently I'm upsampling all 44.1kHz-16bit (CD standard format) using HQplayer to 384kHz and music that sounded just OK is now jaw dropping good, everything in the mix can now be clearly heard without any added brightness or artificial sharpening. No CD player I could afford would ever sound this good.

Looking at your past posts it appears you like vintage sound. On that basis any CD player you get will be just fine. Any "extras" an expensive player brings like imaging, deeper tighter bass, extended crystalline highs will be lost playing through vintage speakers.



1  https://community.klipsch.com/index.php?/topic/55573-anyone-familiar-with-amc-cd-players/ (https://community.klipsch.com/index.php?/topic/55573-anyone-familiar-with-amc-cd-players/)
Title: Re: CD player
Post by: rcag_ils on 18 Jul 2022, 09:18 pm
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I doubt any company is getting rich selling $300 CD players. How much did you spend on your AMC CD player? You never said. I would guess $199 in 1999.
Using an inflation calculator that AMC CD player would cost $353.94 today.

And you got a good one, I found a post from 2005:
"I had the AMC CD8b 24/96 CD player for awhile. It sounded very good, but it was flakey...after several years of ownership, the transport mechanism began to read "No Disc" every other time I placed a CD in it. I think others were known to have the same issues, so I would advise against purchasing a used one. I don't know how well their newer players rate, or who even sells them (AudioAdvisor.com sold the CD8b for $199 back in its day)." 1

Thank you all for the links, I probably will buy one of those $39.95 one, hopefully the jack that says coaxial on the back is the digital audio output.

WGH, you are most correct. I did pay about $199 for it from Audio Advisor. Good find on those posts. This guy probably used it a lot more than I did. I don't think mine's showing any sign of wearing out other than when I put this new Neil Young disc in then it says "No Disc".

You know, the older you get, the faster the time goes, all my stuff look brand new, but they are considered vintage now.

Title: Re: CD player
Post by: Craig B on 19 Jul 2022, 11:26 pm
Craig B, so you are saying a new regular CD player would play it? My CD player may be old, but doesn't get used much comparing to how other listeners use their equipment.

I didn't mean to imply a newer player would work just because it's newer - only that a new player isn't likely to malfunction, whereas most older players will almost always fail at some point.

I was actually trying to make two points - first, to the question of that "reel" symbol and the manner in which the recording was mastered - that shouldn't make any difference.

My second point is that if the disc is a CD and not a DVD-Audio or a single-layered SACD, and if the disc itself isn't bad, any CD player should play it unless the player is acting up. But you'd need to do more troubleshooting to see if that's the case in your situation. Like check if the disc plays in other players, or on a computer drive, or paying close attention to your player to see if it has trouble with any other discs or not.
Title: Re: CD player
Post by: rcag_ils on 20 Jul 2022, 12:38 am
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I didn't mean to imply a newer player would work just because it's newer - only that a new player isn't likely to malfunction, whereas most older players will almost always fail at some point.

I was actually trying to make two points - first, to the question of that "reel" symbol and the manner in which the recording was mastered - that shouldn't make any difference.

My second point is that if the disc is a CD and not a DVD-Audio or a single-layered SACD, and if the disc itself isn't bad, any CD player should play it unless the player is acting up. But you'd need to do more troubleshooting to see if that's the case in your situation. Like check if the disc plays in other players, or on a computer drive, or paying close attention to your player to see if it has trouble with any other discs or not.

Learned something new about the "reel" symbol, didn't know what the hell it was.

I've narrowed it down to that it will play in my computer, and my DVD player, but will not play in my 20-year-old CD player. I am hoping a new cheap DVD player will have whatever the hell new software that they put in and will play this CD/DVD-audio/SACD or whatever the hell they call it, why didn't they just tell us on the packaging what damn machine we need to play this damn thing.
Title: Re: CD player
Post by: WGH on 20 Jul 2022, 03:11 am
...why didn't they just tell us on the packaging what damn machine we need to play this damn thing.

Didn't you notice the fine print? "This CD Does Not Play On Old Worn Out CD Players"


Other people have posted really weird guesses which just confuses you, they really shouldn't do that.

You said that the CD has a .cda suffix in the computer. Again: .cda means it is a 44.1kHz - 16 bit standard "Red Book" CD. Nothing special. There may be a misprint of a pit and your old player's error correction is confused. The laser may be old and dim and not reading like it used to.

"Red Book" specifications haven't changed since ABBA released The Visitors in 1981 on CD. Neil Young would play on a CD player from 1981 if it wasn't broken.

Put the CD in your computer like you did before, click on the DVD/CD Drive in File Explorer.

Right click on any of the tracks and click on "Properties" then "Audio Properties"
You will see it is 44.1kHz - 16bits.

Let us know if you read anything different. Surprise us. And Hey! It could just be a bad disk. Shit happens.
Title: Re: CD player
Post by: opnly bafld on 20 Jul 2022, 12:31 pm
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Title: Re: CD player
Post by: rcag_ils on 20 Jul 2022, 02:47 pm
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Didn't you notice the fine print? "This CD Does Not Play On Old Worn Out CD Players"

You keep saying my CD player is worn out, it may be old, but I've never used it all that much, I listen to my records more than CD over the years. It is under normal usage, not frequent or constant usage. It's plays the old regular CD just fine.

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It could just be a bad disk. Shit happens.

If it's bad, shouldn't it be bad everywhere? Why it plays in the computer and DVD player?
Title: Re: CD player
Post by: WGH on 20 Jul 2022, 03:46 pm
If it's bad, shouldn't it be bad everywhere? Why it plays in the computer and DVD player?

Error Correction.

CDs always have reading errors, the Neil Young disk probably has an error at the beginning, which, unlike vinyl, is at the center. CDs read from the center out to the edge. Look for a goober stuck to the disk.

Errors are so common that disk ripping software like the free Exact Audio Copy and dBpoweramp use AccurateRip.
https://www.exactaudiocopy.de/ (https://www.exactaudiocopy.de/)

"AccurateRip™ furthers Audio CD ripping by verifying ripped tracks against an Internet database, making sure they are error free.

"AccurateRip™ is the only Audio CD ripping technology which can verify extracted audio files are 100% free from errors, or put another way...no CD/DVD drive exists today which is able to self detect errors 100% of the time (in PCs or CD players), we call this the audio CD error detection hole (and applies to drives with c2 reporting abilities)"

One way to test this theory is to use Exact Audio Copy to rip Neil Young to a WAV file, then burn a new CD using Windows Media Player. The CD you make will be an exact copy of the existing disk, minus the errors. I have read burned disks can sound better than the original (https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=burned+disks+sound+better+than+original) but have never done a comparison.

Because a burned disk uses a different technology than manufactured disks, a weak laser may not read the disk. Also burned disks age quicker than the manufactured CDs. I used burned CDs in my woodshop for 20 years, the originals stayed safe at home. If a disk got damaged I would burn another, the cost was pennies per disk.
Title: Re: CD player
Post by: rcag_ils on 20 Jul 2022, 04:08 pm
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One way to test this theory is to use Exact Audio Copy to rip Neil Young to a WAV file, then burn a new CD using Windows Media Player. The CD you make will be an exact copy of the existing disk, minus the errors. I have read burned disks can sound better than the original but have never done a comparison.

Because a burned disk uses a different technology than manufactured disks, a weak laser may not read the disk. Also burned disks age quicker than the manufactured CDs. I used burned CDs in my woodshop for 20 years, the originals stayed safe at home. If a disk got damaged I would burn another, the cost was pennies per disk.

I wouldn't know the first thing about ripping a CD, companies copy right is safe with me.

It should not be that complicated. Honestly, with all these digital technologies going on for audio in the past 20 some years, I could not tell the difference as far as one digital copy is better than the other, sure, I may not have the right equipment, and I don't care to chase it down.

That's why I have not upgraded my electronic for the past 20 years. Occasionally, I may buy a piece of old equipment, like a turntable or tuner, not because they are "better", because they take me back to a different time, the time that the millennial know nothing about. Hell with the new digital shit, I am stuck back in time.
Title: Re: CD player
Post by: WGH on 20 Jul 2022, 04:21 pm
I wouldn't know the first thing about ripping a CD, companies copy right is safe with me.

...I am stuck back in time.

As long as you own the CD making a physical or a digital copy for a music server is completely legal.

Google and youtube will explain all the concepts of ripping and burning. Time to learn a new skill, you will feel empowered, the Master of Your Universe.

I was stuck in time too but then I retired my 1977 Jeep Wagoneer I drove for 44 years. Now I feel like Dr. Emmett "Doc" Brown.
Title: Re: CD player
Post by: rcag_ils on 21 Jul 2022, 06:03 pm
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I was stuck in time too but then I retired my 1977 Jeep Wagoneer I drove for 44 years. Now I feel like Dr. Emmett "Doc" Brown.

I purchased a new mini van, everything is push button, push a button to go from reverse to drive and to park, what the hell, every time I get in the car I have to pause and think about which button to push. All the control button are so damn small, trying to work them is as bad as texting and driving. Lights come on for no reason, messages pop up for no reason. What are they going to do next?
Title: Re: CD player
Post by: WGH on 21 Jul 2022, 06:25 pm
... everything is push button, push a button to go from reverse to drive and to park, what the hell, every time I get in the car I have to pause and think about which button to push.

When my Grandfather got too old to drive he gave his '64 red Dodge Dart GT coup to my Mom. I got to take it to college during my senior year in 1970.
I loved that car, the push button automatic and slant six would burn rubber in 2nd gear.

(https://www.exoticmotorcars.com/galleria_images/321/321_p24_f.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5f/1964_Dodge_Dart_GT_coupe_%2812404570274%29.jpg/800px-1964_Dodge_Dart_GT_coupe_%2812404570274%29.jpg)
Title: Re: CD player
Post by: rcag_ils on 21 Jul 2022, 06:51 pm
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push button automatic

Different kind of push button, those you really have to PUSH, and you can tell they are pushed in. The new ones nowadays pretty much like "touching", and you can't really tell what mode you are in, you could push reverse and think that you are going forward.
Title: Re: CD player
Post by: Doublej on 21 Jul 2022, 08:43 pm
Different kind of push button, those you really have to PUSH, and you can tell they are pushed in. The new ones nowadays pretty much like "touching", and you can't really tell what mode you are in, you could push reverse and think that you are going forward.

I don't suppose you could put some self stick Velcro (fuzzy half) on the drive button. Then it would feel different than the reverse button.
Title: Re: CD player
Post by: Scroof Neachy on 21 Jul 2022, 08:49 pm
Why are all the cars painted red? I gots to know.
Title: Re: CD player
Post by: WGH on 21 Jul 2022, 10:39 pm
Why are all the cars painted red? I gots to know.

Grampa must have been feeling frisky in his old age. Probably runs in the family. His daughter, my Aunt Eleanor, drove a fire engine red Cadillac convertible, that car was a land yacht and she was a beauty!
Title: Re: CD player
Post by: avahifi on 22 Jul 2022, 02:37 pm
Actually, the first new car I purchased for my wife was a baby blue 1964 Plymouth Valiant sedan.  Identical to the Dodge Dart pictured above with same pushbutton transmission control panel and slant six engine.  Since this was before standard 3 point seat belts, I ordered some from Germany and had them installed here.

She loved the car and we drove it for several years.  With Michelin "Stop" steel cord summer tires and Goodyear special order multi-studded snow tires all around on their own wheels, it was super driving on dry, wet, or ice covered roads.

This was several years before the general public knew anything about radial tires, studded winter tires, or three point seat belts.

After several years, it finally lost the battle to Minnesota winter heavily salted roads.

Title: Re: CD player
Post by: Carlman on 22 Aug 2022, 08:52 pm
I bought a Yamaha BD-S681 from accessories4less.  The first one was DOA, but the 2nd one works quite well.
I don't think they have them anymore... but it has a front panel display. 
I thought Marantz still made one.

It's tough not to stream.. everyone has reliable service now and the quality is outstanding.  Amazon music is incredible... 
Then, once they get us all on streaming, it'll be a lot easier to re-write history, create a dependency, dark-fake us, or whatever goal the great 'they' has.  :)