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Industry Circles => Salk Signature Sound => Topic started by: jsalk on 1 May 2008, 12:42 pm
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The time has come to dream up a name a new speaker design. In the past, we have enlisted your help in coming up with speaker names. Veracity, SongTower and Pharos are a few names chosen from ideas submitted in threads such as this.
We worked on this design with Jeff Bagby, a very talented designer and author of a number of software programs for speaker design. Here is a pciture of the speaker in question this time around...
(http://www.salksound.com/gallery/bagbyob/ob.jpg)
The design is an open baffle midrange as you can see in this photo showing the 2" thick front baffle...
(http://www.salksound.com/gallery/bagbyob/ob-side.jpg)
Here's another close-up...
(http://www.salksound.com/gallery/bagbyob/ob-cu.jpg)
Here is some information on the design to spark your thought process...
Technical description:
This is a very high-end three-way loudspeaker implementing relatively high sensitivity and an open-baffle design to the midrange.
One of the greatest sources of coloration in the midrange is caused by the internal reflections of the cone’s rear output off of the midrange enclosure’s rear wall and back into the cone. In many designs these reflections are handled by loading the midrange into a large sealed box stuffed with damping material, or possibly using a transmission line to capture midrange energy and direct it away from the cone. Although these methods can be successful, in this design these reflections are eliminated by removing the midrange enclosure altogether.
In dipole designs there is a cancellation that occurs at low frequencies whose wavelengths are relative to the baffle width. In the case of a dipole, equalization is usually required to raise the driver’s low end output to compensate for the cancellation. In this case however, the midrange’s operating band is primarily above the cancellation frequency, so it is simply referred to as an open-baffle midrange, rather than a dipole.
The midrange employed is a 6.5” PHL unit. The PHL is a high-end professional driver with high efficiency and high output capability, yet it has enough linear travel to remain linear through its entire operating range at high power levels keeping midrange distortion very low. As with any dipole / open baffle design there is a null in the response 90 degrees off axis to the sides of the speaker. This means there is little to no midrange energy to the sides of the speaker that can reflect back to the on-axis first arrival sound. This helps to maintain purity in the midrange that must to be experienced. The midrange’s rear radiation is much stronger than a conventional monopole mid, but if the speaker is at least a couple of feet from the wall behind it this only adds a sense of depth and openness to the presentation.
The woofer section is a traditional monopole vented box with a large 4” flared rear-mounted port. The woofer is a custom-made 12” Lambda woofer implementing a damped paper cone, large cast frame and massive motor assembly which weighs in at 27 pounds. The motor has a copper Faraday sleeve which runs the entire length of the voice coil. This sleeve significantly reduces voice coil inductance and associated distortion making this driver one of the lowest distortion 12” woofers available today, and an inductance normally associated with a 4” driver. The motor also provides the voice coil with a very long linear travel as well, which allows for rather high bass output capability. This is a woofer that can support the lower midrange with clarity and authority and at the same time provide true deep bass with high output.
The tweeter selected is a Morel MDT33; a triple-magnet 28mm dome tweeter with extremely linear on and off-axis response and very low distortion. It also possesses relatively high sensitivity for a dome tweeter. In terms of frequency response and distortion this tweeter is among the best dome tweeters ever made, and is an excellent sonic match for the midrange and woofer in this design.
Technical Specifications:
Frequency Response: 30-30kHz +/- 2 dB
Nominal Impedance: 8 ohms.
Sensitivity: 93 dB/2.83V/Meter
Crossover: 450Hz Second Order Acoustic In-Phase Linkwitz-Riley (Woofer to Midrange)
and 2.5kHz Fourth Order Acoustic In-Phase Linkwitz-Riley (Midrange to Tweeter)
The cabinet is 46 ½” H, 15” W and 12” D.
The front baffle is 2" thick and all panels are 1" thick with substantial bracing in the woofer section.
Here is a frequency response graph...
(http://www.salksound.com/gallery/bagbyob/fr.gif)
Hopefullly this is enough to get your creative juices flowing.
- Jim
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I have to chime in here. Jim, these speakers are BEAUTIFUL! I can't wait to hear what people have to say about this speaker at AK Fest.
Thinking of a name for your new speakers I came up with Mitre. These speakers resemble the hat worn by a Bishop.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitre
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Beautiful looking speakers, I've always been partial to open baffles/dipoles. First the Dahlquists which were midrange open baffle/dipole and than the Carver ALS Platinums.
I think they resemble a surfboard, so how about a great surfing beach; The Waimea 8)
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Sweeet Jim, amazing to the eye as well as undoubtedly the ear. Got to admit tf's got a good thought there.
Dang it martyo, you reading my mind or what ? You got your post in while I was writing mine. Great minds think alike ??
1st thing that came to my mind was a surfboard, not that I've ever done any. So while it's probably not as lofty as Song Tower, Pharos, or Mitre, Wave-rider comes to mind. Offered FWIW.
Too too far to make the AKfest, wish I could. But may try to make RMAF this year to meet you & Frank. Hope you have a great weekend.
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Wow, as always, another example of Jim's fine work. I'll add Cathedrals to the list of names. I guess you could go so far as to call them Open Cathedrals.
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I have to figure out a way to hear those beauties in the near future. They are definitely intriguing.
From the front, they resemble rockets. How about Rocchetta (Italian for rocket)? Also, they look like arch windows from the front. How about Arche (middle English for arch) or Arcus (Latin for arch)?
I must admit to some confusion, Jim. You list the frequency response as 30-30 kHz +/- 2 db. Yet the frequency response plot shows the response down about 10 dB at 30 Hz. Am I missing something?
Regards,
Bob
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It's funny that you guys used the word "surfboard" because my wife immediately said that is what they looked like when I showed her last night.
I'll second the vote for "Bishop" -awesome!
Great work, Jim. You once again prove you are a truly skilled mad scientist. :D
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Beautiful looking speakers! Suggest calling them "Sonic Markers".
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Cathedral is where my mind immediately went, but that has already been mentioned. I'll go with Bell Towers. "Clear as a Bell!"
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Absolutely gorgeous!! :thumb: :drool: Damn! I was thinking Cathedral as well, but already suggested. How about the "TRIOB"s. (3-way Open Baffle). Stop laughing - I had to come with something. JIM - any idea on projected price range? I'm hoping $1250-$1275. :wink:
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Name those speakers: Cathedral.
Love 'em.
I checked google to see if any other important speakers are named Cathedral. Didn't find any. However, I found real cathedral speakers on ebay that look like these (shape wise).
I don't have a site to post the picture to. Here is the ebay listing while it lasts:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270233026039&ih=017&category=50597&ssPageName=WDVW&rd=1 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270233026039&ih=017&category=50597&ssPageName=WDVW&rd=1)
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I must admit to some confusion, Jim. You list the frequency response as 30-30 kHz +/- 2 db. Yet the frequency response plot shows the response down about 10 dB at 30 Hz. Am I missing something?
Regards,
Bob
Bob -
Good catch. I saw this last evening and wondered how long it would take for someone to notice it. According to Jeff, the graphs he supplied during the design process were based on anechoic measurements of the raw drivers and are not representative on the real-world response of the finshed speakers in the designed cabinets. After we return from the show, we will have to generate some measurements and update the FR graph.
- Jim
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How about, for obvious reasons.
"Air"
Or
"WindSong" and later WindCenter and WindSurround
Or
"WindChime"
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Absolutely gorgeous!! :thumb: :drool: Damn! I was thinking Cathedral as well, but already suggested. How about the "TRIOB"s. (3-way Open Baffle). Stop laughing - I had to come with something. JIM - any idea on projected price range? I'm hoping $1250-$1275. :wink:
Don't know about anyone else, but I vote for this pricing schedule :lol:
Got to detach, at this rate I'll never get any work done.
"Is it Thursday ? Never got the hang of Thursdays." DA
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They look great. The only thing I would suggest from a design point would be the shape of the center cone. The black mounting area is squarish and really interrupts the flow of the piece.
To me they look like a surfboard, I was also thinking they have a religious feel to them. The color enhanced the religious feel. They also look like a rocket.
How about Spire, Summit or Meridian.
Mike
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How about Spire, Summit or Meridian.
Good call Mike. Saturday is Derby day, that would make them the "Twin Spires"
(for those that don't know, that is a Kentucky Derby, Churchill Downs reference)
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With the split between the woofer enclosure and the open baffle on top, I keep picturing a big letter "A." (I know, I severally lack creativity :D)
So my suggestion is: A93's
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Man oh man....these make a DIY'er like me jealous.... :duh: This just might be the one commercially made speaker that does things pretty much like I would have done it....well almost, but close enough. I am playing with Lambda's woofers too. These sure look nice. PHL's are without question some of the highest rated drivers for high sensitivity mids out there. OB too...and the finish...boy do I love that guitar look. :drool:
Name: (I like Arche) but being original... Airche
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"Leonora"
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Actually you might consider grouping the high-efficiency designs like this and the Pharos HET into a high efficiency line. In which case, you might stick with an Egyptian theme....for which my suggestion is Horus.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horus
Horus refers primarily to two separate deities... they came to be known as one and the same....Represented as a falcon or hawk, his name is believed to mean "the high," "the far-off,"
Kinda cool link with an open-baffle design which generally yield a very deep and wide soundstage.
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Jim, how does this sound compare to the HT3??? I would like to know what the "trade-off's" are. aa aa
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FWIW, there is a thread on htguide.com that started off about another speaker DIY design and got a bit tangent about this Bagby design.... The poster basically gives his highest praise to this design and says its the best he has ever heard. Coming from hardcore DIY'ers that is big praise indeed.
link (http://www.htguide.com/forum/showthread.php4?t=29944&page=1&pp=35)
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Also in the egyptian theme.
"Aten"
I think it is pronounced Ah-ten. Akhenaten's sun god.
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I'll second WindSongs
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I'll second WindSongs
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I'll toss in Song Monuments or Music Monuments.
Mark
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"Good catch. I saw this last evening and wondered how long it would take for someone to notice it. According to Jeff, the graphs he supplied during the design process were based on anechoic measurements of the raw drivers and are not representative on the real-world response of the finshed speakers in the designed cabinets."
I'm not sure that's quite the explanation. Without an anechoic chamber, it isn't possible to capture anechoic measurements below about 200 Hz. The sample window is too short to get a good read on the wave lengths involved. My best guess is that Jeff took a nearfield measurement of the woofer and spliced it on to the rest of the driver measurements. But either way, the woofer measurement will not capture room gain, and the actual - 3db and 6db points will be lower than shown. And the region above 200 Hz is amazingly flat. Sure wish I could make it out to beautiful downtonw Livonia to hear these things.
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Very cool...
They don't remind me of cathedrals, but they do remind me of the (open) doorways you might find in a cathedral, so how about the Salk Portals.
I second that one. Brilliant double meaning.
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Wow, as always, another example of Jim's fine work. I'll add Cathedrals to the list of names. I guess you could go so far as to call them Open Cathedrals.
D@mn, beat me to it. "Cathedrals" was what came to my mind. They look like the outline of arched cathedral windows.
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Let's name them after my HT: Salk Sanctum
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Wow, those look....um...really nice. :drool: A couple of my suggestions:
Salk Aperto's - open in Italian
Salk Harbinger's
Salk Zypher's
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Borrowing from fsimms - Salk AirWaves
Back to work.....
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I like Salk Portals
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I like staying with the Egyptian theme, or otherwise Salk Portals. Cathedral sounds awkward, and its not like the speakers are giants, either.
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Of course "SongPortal" comes to mind.
Frank
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If there's no real consensus you could always call them ... BOB :thumb:
But truthfully, all of your speakers have gorgeous woodworking. Unfortunately there's nobody up here in NY that has a pair, that I know of at least. I'd love to give ANY of them a listen one of these days. All of the good word of mouth about each and every design makes my mouth water. :drool:
Enjoy,
Bob (the man, not the speaker)
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Sound Portals
Lots of good suggestions, glad I don't have to pick it.
Can't wait to hear them. What are you going to run them with? See you Saturday, Jim & Frank.
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I'll second WindSongs
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Salk Enclave
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Sound Portals
Lots of good suggestions, glad I don't have to pick it.
Can't wait to hear them. What are you going to run them with? See you Saturday, Jim & Frank.
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Frank should have some nice, moderately-powered tube gear to drive them. I think it will be a real nice ombination.
- Jim
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Bob -
If there's no real consensus you could always call them ... BOB :thumb:
But truthfully, all of your speakers have gorgeous woodworking. Unfortunately there's nobody up here in NY that has a pair, that I know of at least. I'd love to give ANY of them a listen one of these days. All of the good word of mouth about each and every design makes my mouth water. :drool:
Enjoy,
Bob (the man, not the speaker)
Are you upstate? We do have quite a few owners in the NYC area and I think at least one owner upstate. But I would have to check to make sure.
- Jim
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Jim, how does this sound compare to the HT3??? I would like to know what the "trade-off's" are. aa aa
Well, that is a hard one to pin down as they are both rather unique. While the HT3's have a 10" woofer and the new speaker has a 12", the HT3's do play lower and are perhaps a little more detailed in the mid-bass area. This is due both to the paper cone and the higher sensitivity of the driver used in the new design. In the midrange area, it is pretty much a draw. The W18's in the HT3's are perhaps slightly more detailed, but the PHL's are one of the nicest high-efficiency midranges available today. On the top end, the HT3's will have a little more transparency due to the ribbon tweeter. The Morel tweeter, on the other hand, is one of the finest dome tweeters available, so the top end is very smooth.
But the drivers only tell half the story. An open baffle design, by its very nature offers a more diffuse, spacious soundfield. Some people will prefer the pinpoint imaging of the HT3's. Others will enjoy the more open and spacious sound of this new design.
The other issue that separates the designs is sensitivity. This new design will mate very well with a moderately-powered tube amp - one which could not drive the HT3's successfully.
Both designs are very solid (IMO). For music, either would do a great job depending on your room, sonic tastes and the type of music you prefer to listen to. For HT or mixed music/HT, you would probably be better off with the HT3's.
The market for a speaker like this is much more limited than say, the market for HT3's. But there are some individuals who will find this new design better suited to their particular situation. Some people simply prefer open baffle designs. Some people prefer lower powered tube amps. These were the people we had in mind for this speaker and we think they will love them.
I hope that helps.
- Jim
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I think you should name them "lonewolfny42".
Any speaker he'd hang his name on HAS TO kick ass.
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rockadanny -
JIM - any idea on projected price range? I'm hoping $1250-$1275. :wink:
Well, that might come close to covering the driver costs. But we would have to throw in the crossover and the cabinets for free. I don't think we can do that. Sorry.
We haven't taken the time to do an analysis yet, but if I were to take a guess at it, it would probably be around $4,000 per pair. Keep in mind that this is just a guess at this point in time. It could be a bit lower or possibly even higher. What seems fair for a speaker of this caliber?
- Jim
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Well, that might come close to covering the driver costs. But we would have to throw in the crossover and the cabinets for free. I don't think we can do that. Sorry.
We haven't taken the time to do an analysis yet, but if I were to take a guess at it, it would probably be around $4,000 per pair. Keep in mind that this is just a guess at this point in time. It could be a bit lower or possibly even higher. What seems fair for a speaker of this caliber?
- Jim
Jim,
Send me a pair and I will compare them to my $3500 open baffle speakers as well as $22,000 conventional speakers in order to help you establish a fair price. aa
George
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This isn't a serious suggestion.... But the very first thought that popped into my head as soon as I saw them was the Salk Coneheads for those of you that remember the old Saturday Night Live skit...
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Jim,
Have you started building my HT3 yet?? aa If not..I'll thinking seriously about getting a pair of this new speaker.. :lol: :lol: :lol:
rackadanny -
JIM - any idea on projected price range? I'm hoping $1250-$1275. :wink:
Well, that might come close to covering the driver costs. But we would have to throw in the crossover and the cabinets for free. I don't think we can do that. Sorry.
We haven't taken the time to do an analysis yet, but if I were to take a guess at it, it would probably be around $4,000 per pair. Keep in mind that this is just a guess at this point in time. It could be a bit lower or possibly even higher. What seems fair for a speaker of this caliber?
- Jim
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Well, that might come close to covering the driver costs. But we would have to throw in the crossover and the cabinets for free. I don't think we can do that. Sorry.
We haven't taken the time to do an analysis yet, but if I were to take a guess at it, it would probably be around $4,000 per pair. Keep in mind that this is just a guess at this point in time. It could be a bit lower or possibly even higher. What seems fair for a speaker of this caliber?
- Jim
Jim,
Send me a pair and I will compare them to my $3500 open baffle speakers as well as $22,000 conventional speakers in order to help you establish a fair price. aa
George
Hey George... what speakers do you have now? You've always got something good going on!
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Well, that might come close to covering the driver costs. But we would have to throw in the crossover and the cabinets for free. I don't think we can do that. Sorry.
We haven't taken the time to do an analysis yet, but if I were to take a guess at it, it would probably be around $4,000 per pair. Keep in mind that this is just a guess at this point in time. It could be a bit lower or possibly even higher. What seems fair for a speaker of this caliber?
- Jim
Jim,
Send me a pair and I will compare them to my $3500 open baffle speakers as well as $22,000 conventional speakers in order to help you establish a fair price. aa
George
Hey George... what speakers do you have now? You've always got something good going on!
Besides my three Song Towers that I use for the L/C/R channels of my HT, I have the following speakers:
Emerald Physics CS2's with a highly modified DCX crossover
Vandersteen 5A's
Omega Loudspeaker Revolutions with B200 drivers that have the Planet 10 mod (tomorrow I should have the upgraded Hemp Alinco drivers)
Right now I am using the Revolutions while my DCX is getting a little work done on it.
All three pairs of speakers are excellent and all sound very different.
George
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Jim,
Have you started building my HT3 yet?? aa If not..I'll thinking seriously about getting a pair of this new speaker.. :lol: :lol: :lol:
Not started yet. Waiting for you choice of veneers. I'll have another pair of Tineo soon for you to check out.
- Jim
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Well, that might come close to covering the driver costs. But we would have to throw in the crossover and the cabinets for free. I don't think we can do that. Sorry.
We haven't taken the time to do an analysis yet, but if I were to take a guess at it, it would probably be around $4,000 per pair. Keep in mind that this is just a guess at this point in time. It could be a bit lower or possibly even higher. What seems fair for a speaker of this caliber?
- Jim
Jim,
Send me a pair and I will compare them to my $3500 open baffle speakers as well as $22,000 conventional speakers in order to help you establish a fair price. aa
George
Hey George... what speakers do you have now? You've always got something good going on!
Besides my three Song Towers that I use for the L/C/R channels of my HT, I have the following speakers:
Emerald Physics CS2's with a highly modified DCX crossover
Vandersteen 5A's
Omega Loudspeaker Revolutions with B200 drivers that have the Planet 10 mod (tomorrow I should have the upgraded Hemp Alinco drivers)
Right now I am using the Revolutions while my DCX is getting a little work done on it.
All three pairs of speakers are excellent and all sound very different.
George
Do you have a gallery? Sounds like a very impressive line-up . What happened to your HT3s? Might be better to PM to keep this thread on topic.
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Besides my three Song Towers that I use for the L/C/R channels of my HT, I have the following speakers:
Emerald Physics CS2's with a highly modified DCX crossover
Vandersteen 5A's
Omega Loudspeaker Revolutions with B200 drivers that have the Planet 10 mod (tomorrow I should have the upgraded Hemp Alinco drivers)
Right now I am using the Revolutions while my DCX is getting a little work done on it.
All three pairs of speakers are excellent and all sound very different.
George
Wow...you have great taste!
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Wow, as always, another example of Jim's fine work. I'll add Cathedrals to the list of names. I guess you could go so far as to call them Open Cathedrals.
Cathedral is where my mind immediately went, but that has already been mentioned. I'll go with Bell Towers. "Clear as a Bell!"
Hey!
That's the first thing I thought too. :D
Well, it reminded me of my 1937 Philco radio.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=14176)
These old radios of late '20s to early '40s with this shape are called "Cathedral" type radio. :D
But I don't know if people will go for that.... :icon_lol:
Take care,
Buddy :thumb:
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OpenAir
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As previously pointed out by the folks suggesting "Cathedral", the speakers have a rather Gothic look with their arched shape. How about playing on that and using something European cathedral sounding like "Westminster" or "Canterbury"
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As previously pointed out by the folks suggesting "Cathedral", the speakers have a rather Gothic look with their arched shape. How about playing on that and using something European cathedral sounding like "Westminster" or "Canterbury"
Hey!
I believe that Tannoy of the UK already have speakers with those names. :?
But if you Cathedral and Gothic name I don't think there are speaker named "Notre Dame" yet :wink:
Take care,
Buddy :thumb:
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Ok...sorry to sidetrack from this thread... let me know when you have the Tineo..:) Thanks.
Jim,
Have you started building my HT3 yet?? aa If not..I'll thinking seriously about getting a pair of this new speaker.. :lol: :lol: :lol:
Not started yet. Waiting for you choice of veneers. I'll have another pair of Tineo soon for you to check out.
- Jim
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The first thing I thought of was a surf board and that connects with a wave. A sound wave, an air wave, the Hawaiian theme. Some Hawaiian names like Ka-ihe (the spear) or Ka-leo (the voice). I like Kaleo. Or Voice
The other thing I saw was an arch, a gateway. Manifest Destiny. Westward expansion...I don't know I'm just trying to work some ideas.
A surfboard or maybe a SoundBoard, but hey no water boarding. sorry
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The other thing I saw was an arch, a gateway.
Yes...it has that look....
(http://www.nps.gov/jeff/images/gateway_arch2.jpg)
Maybe....the Salk Open Gateway.... :thumb:
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Or the Open Portal.
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I thought surfboard as soon as I saw it.
Betty
Surf slang for a beautiful woman.
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how about "Hang Ten's" :green:
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When you are trying to open your mind did you ever cruise http://fusionanomaly.net/, and read? It's realy about music, kind of.
Here's waves: http://fusionanomaly.net/waves.html
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How about the Salk Bullit
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I like Songboard.
Salk Air is good too.
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Reading through this thread the relevance of choosing the proper name for a speaker becomes apparent to me. A name that fits Jim's latest creation would add another factor on why I would buy these speakers. I love the direction the suggestions have gone for a name but may I offer another? The more and more I look at these speakers the more they standout to me. They are intriguing, even sultry. How about a name like Temptress or Prodigal or Ambrosial?
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Other than the things mentioned so far, the speakers remind me of two things. First, there's the cheval mirror that my parents used to have. It looked like this:
(http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/furniture-sale_1996_216247462)
The other thing it reminded me of was a shield. Putting those two things together, I thought - the Salk Chevalier (chevalier is French for "knight"). Or, along the same kind of lines, how about the Salk Shieldmaiden?
By the way, does the winner of this naming contest get a free pair of the speakers?
Can't blame a guy for trying. I'm really looking forward to hearing the speakers tomorrow at the AK Fest. If they sound half as good as they look they'll be pretty special.
Chad
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"Shieldmaiden" sounds like a goth name for a prophilactic! :nono:
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LOL....
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The time has come to dream up a name a new speaker design. In the past, we have enlisted your help in coming up with speaker names. Veracity, SongTower and Pharos are a few names chosen from ideas submitted in threads such as this.
(http://www.salksound.com/gallery/bagbyob/ob.jpg)
It looks like a "Music Marker"
"The Musical Mark"
"The Scepter of Sound"
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I saw the shield as well, but not a gilded French shield, a primitive wooden shield of a great Indian Chief or Masai Warrior,
The Warrior. The warrior goddess Athena.
The Chief
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The "Tombstone" :thumb:
Beautiful speaker.
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Yikes! The "Tombstone"?!
Actually, I can't think of a better designed headstone for me when I go. Jim, how are you with granite?
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+1 for Portals. I love the double meaning for the shape and the open sound.
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Actually, how about Mathias? Mathias Gerl was a widely regarded architect in the mid 1700's that was known for his open portal designs. Seems fitting.
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How about the J.W.O.W.S. Jesus walked on water speakers!
or for Jews like me the J.W.J.A.N.G. Jesus was just a nice guy speakers!
or the W.A.U.B. What about us Buddhists speakers
Mike :D
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The WWJB...What would Jesus Buy?
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Jim, could these be driven with a well behaved 12w/channel 300B SET? Would the answer change if there was a subwoofer setup that rolled off around 60hz or so?
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I saw it and thought 'tongue depressor', but it just doesn't have that RING to it. :green:
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"Good catch. I saw this last evening and wondered how long it would take for someone to notice it. According to Jeff, the graphs he supplied during the design process were based on anechoic measurements of the raw drivers and are not representative on the real-world response of the finshed speakers in the designed cabinets."
I'm not sure that's quite the explanation. Without an anechoic chamber, it isn't possible to capture anechoic measurements below about 200 Hz. The sample window is too short to get a good read on the wave lengths involved. My best guess is that Jeff took a nearfield measurement of the woofer and spliced it on to the rest of the driver measurements. But either way, the woofer measurement will not capture room gain, and the actual - 3db and 6db points will be lower than shown. And the region above 200 Hz is amazingly flat. Sure wish I could make it out to beautiful downtonw Livonia to hear these things.
Hello Dennis. The response Jim posted was kind of a conglomerate ;- ) The story goes like this. I built these speakers for myself using my own cabinet design (which was kinda ugly - I'm no Jim Salk). The orginal version used a JBL123A woofer. Unfortunately, the JBL was just not very sensitive, so I picked up a pair of Dayton 12's that ran around 92dB, and started over on the crossover design. I told Jim that getting the crossover balance to sound "right" between the open baffle midrange and the monopole woofer was the most difficult crossover I ever designed. In the end I found that shallower slopes worked the best and I ended up with a second order acoustic crossover for this crossover point. The midrange to tweeter did best with a more conventional LR4 since the tweeter already has a second order roll-off built in and PHL needs a little taming on the top end. When I got the speakers finished and had them voiced where I liked them I put them up against my main system. It's a four-way with a powered sub, dual Focal woofers, Focal midrange in a tapered TL, and a Seas Excel tweeter. After a few weeks my wife and son let me know that they still preferred the old Focal speakers, and since I agreed to keep only one set the new ones, named the Galileos, had to go.
At this time I working on the speaker that would become the Pharos and when Jim came down to visit he agreed to take the Galileos with him and see if he could sell them. Later he sent an email letting me know that he loved the midrange and high end on these speakers, he just didn't care for the bass very much. I had to agree that the Dayton woofer was a far cry from the PHL and MDT33 that they were mated with.
He brought up the Lambda. I found one listed that looked like it would work and John J. made a pair. Jim then sent one to me and I measured the response, impedance, and T/S parameters on it. Now here's where the measurements get funny. I didn't have the Galileos here, they were at Jim's, but I did have my original measurement files for the PHL and the Morel on the baffle and knew the offsets. I now had measurement files for the Lambda. The frd file was a combination of nearfield in a test box spliced to one meter data above 350hz. The Lambda, by the way, is flat to about 2.5khz and then drops off at about 4th order.
The response Jim posted is what I came up with on the computer using the new Lambda file and the original files for the PHL and Morel, knowing how I voiced that crossover point originally. That's why I asked Jim to bring them to the Indiana DIY gathering, because I believed they would sound good, but I had never heard them yet. Well, the moral to the story is - if you have done your measurements right, and know what you are doing, you can hit it very close this way, because these speakers sounded so nice I was flabbergasted. Several people told me they were best speakers they heard that day, and a couple guys said they were among the best they had ever heard. I was very happy with what I heard and Jim was all smiles watching me. Jim hit a home run on the styling too. I thought that they looked incredible. (I wished I could have stuck them in my Jeep and took them home, but this was not to be ;-) We decided to not change anything in the crossover after the Indiana meeting. I really didn't think any tweaking was going to significantly improve the voicing and they sounded very coherent and smooth, and the balance seemed just right.
I wish you could hear them too. I think you would really like them.
Jeff B.
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Hi Jeff That's certainly an interesting story. I thought the bass response must be based on a nearfield plot. I certainly agree that reliable measurements are a huge part of the story. If I have to tweak a design after it's been optimized in my software, it's usually to correct for any off-axis problems I didn't catch. I tried an open baffle design a year or so ago. I forget the drivers, but I do remember that the woofer-mid cross drove me crazy. Congrats on getting it right--dennis.
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Jim, could these be driven with a well behaved 12w/channel 300B SET? Would the answer change if there was a subwoofer setup that rolled off around 60hz or so?
When I offered to design the Pharos speaker for Jim it was designed from the start to be compatible with low powered SET amps (and for that matter, anything else). Not only does the Pharos have a flat frequency response and a true 95dB sensitivity, the impedance is a flat +/- .5 Ohms above the bass resonance all the way up. This is a difficult thing to accomplish in speaker design - getting flat frequency response AND flat impedance. The new speaker, although close in sensitivity and response, has an impedance that swings quite a bit and may not be a good match with some tube amps. If the tube amp doesn't mind the impedance swings then it should be OK. The minimum impedance is close to 4 ohms at about 200Hz, however, over most of the range above 450Hz it stays at 8 ohms or higher. There is an impedance peak in the upper crossover region as well. I think this is something that needs to be taken into consideration. Low powered amps like high sensitivity speakers, but often it takes more than that to get a good match.
Jeff B.
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Getting back to the surfboard theme.......how about .....
The Pipelines
http://hawaiianwatershots.com/store/details.php?gid=229&pid=43264
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:WaikikiSurfboards.JPG
The....North Shore
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I like the surfboard theme. The Pipeline is kind of like the portal to the wave. The reference to Galileo, in Jeffs story above, took me back to Kaleo I mentioned earlier.
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Im thinkin of chiks.. Nakid chicks. Lets call them Boobies 1.2
Mike
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They're too phallic for boobies. :icon_lol: They'd have to point down, I think. :oops:
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I'll add Stargate's to the name list. So far I like Bishop's and Portal's the best, though.
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Jim,
When i first saw this speaker the first thing that came to mind was an old "Cathedral" I saw in S.Fransico .
I think it sounds great and High class.
Jason
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How about Salk Sound - Spry 1
or EZ Drivers
or Radiance
Just a couple of ideas...
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First thing that came to mind is Viper Clone.
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Definitely looks like a cathedral...portal's good. Gateway's good too.
But to go in a different direction, it also looks alot like a bullet. How about Caliber?
Maybe too violent???
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The sound of these is addicting. Absolutely superb. Tight, deep bass and room filling music without being too diffuse or inarticulate. I was captured the instant I heard them and stayed in the room most of the day. Truly a success as a speaker.
Okay, back to the naming game....
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How about "The MOB", Midrange Open Baffle, or OBM 1? To clarify, i mean the audio Mob tower.
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Obby or Obbie. The Obbie :thumb: Ya' know short for open baffle. :green: Does the person that comes up with the name win a free pair? :idea:
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I think the winner takes a free Salk T-shirt, and a 20% off coupon for a new Mobtowers pair. :D
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How about.....
Salk Sonic Ironing Boards
I thought about tombstones when I first saw the pics, but they do look more like surfboards. Anybody else making surfboards in Michigan?
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How about the Clarity. We already have Veracity.
From Wikipedia: Clarity is the property of being clear or transparent.
Clarity can refer to one's ability to clearly visualize an object or concept, as in thought, understanding, and the "mind's eye", as well as the traditional notion of visual perception, that is, with the actual eyes. Clarity may also refer more broadly to 'perspicacity', the Zen concept of 'no mind', or other terms denoting general clear and unperplexed cognition.
As a technical term of photography and imaging, clarity refers to sharpness and image resolution.
As a technical term of some other fields, such as gemology and brewing, clarity refers to the property of transmitting light with minimal scattering.
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The sound of these is addicting. Absolutely superb. Tight, deep bass and room filling music without being too diffuse or inarticulate. I was captured the instant I heard them and stayed in the room most of the day. Truly a success as a speaker.
Okay, back to the naming game....
Excellent! :thumb:
How would you compare them to your Veracity HT3's?
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Jim,
Here are a few names for possible consideration. BTW, the new
open baffle speakers are just BEAUTIFUL. :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
Boundless
Nuance
Open Range
NB
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The sound of these is addicting. Absolutely superb. Tight, deep bass and room filling music without being too diffuse or inarticulate. I was captured the instant I heard them and stayed in the room most of the day. Truly a success as a speaker.
Okay, back to the naming game....
Excellent! :thumb:
How would you compare them to your Veracity HT3's?
They were not in the same room as the HT3 for direct comparison, but Jim says these new ones do not go as deep or have the upper extension of the HT3. But it appeared as if no one cared because a vast majority of folks said the room was the best sounding room at AKFest and really liked the sound of these new speakers. I am hoping for a ribbon tweeter version. :thumb:
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They were not in the same room as the HT3 for direct comparison, but Jim says these new ones do not go as deep or have the upper extension of the HT3. But it appeared as if no one cared because a vast majority of folks said the room was the best sounding room at AKFest and really liked the sound of these new speakers. I am hoping for a ribbon tweeter version. :thumb:
Thanks pal! Hmm, A ribbon version would be amazing! aa
Jim,
Here are a few names for possible consideration. BTW, the new
open baffle speakers are just BEAUTIFUL. :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
Boundless
Nuance
Open Range
NB
Nuance? LOL! Well, for obvious reasons I give that one two thumbs up! :thumb: :thumb:
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How about "Missle" or "Orbiter"???
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How about the "Triomphe"? The shape is similar (though not exact) to the Arc de Triomphe in Paris. Nice speaker!
-Mike
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Since it's shaped like a Gothic Arch, how about "Gothic" or "Notre Dame"?
-Mike
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Or how about "Nonparaille" which is the Medieval form of "nonpareil" (means 'without equal') and was used during the Gothic period?
-Mike
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BrianM: I think we're splitting hairs here. technically they were pointed, but the shape is pretty darn close.
-Mike
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BrianM: Gee and I thought we were asked to put forth ideas - my mistake. I'm glad we all have someone here who can get us back in line.
-Mike
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They make people argue speakers!
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We need something that conveys the end. As in you'll not need another pair of speakers because your journey has ended. What's a good word for that, maybe in a gothic or "cathedral-esque" tone???
If you heard them you'd know what I mean.
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We need something that conveys the end. As in you'll not need another pair of speakers because your journey has ended. What's a good word for that, maybe in a gothic or "cathedral-esque" tone???
If you heard them you'd know what I mean.
A good word for the "end" in a gothic tone would be "death." :lol: Seriously though, if the speakers are that good (which I'm sure they are) then we do need something catchy, perhaps something that pertains to a religious end...like Heaven, Paradise, Ecstasy or Enlightenment.
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Given the smooth shape, the blending of color on the veneer, and the way (wonderful) it sounded at the show - I'd suggest "Aura"
Bryan
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How about the Clarity. We already have Veracity.
From Wikipedia: Clarity is the property of being clear or transparent.
Clarity can refer to one's ability to clearly visualize an object or concept, as in thought, understanding, and the "mind's eye", as well as the traditional notion of visual perception, that is, with the actual eyes. Clarity may also refer more broadly to 'perspicacity', the Zen concept of 'no mind', or other terms denoting general clear and unperplexed cognition.
As a technical term of photography and imaging, clarity refers to sharpness and image resolution.
As a technical term of some other fields, such as gemology and brewing, clarity refers to the property of transmitting light with minimal scattering.
I like it! :thumb:
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Salk Maldives.... it reminds me of: :green: :green:
(http://www3.nationalgeographic.com/places/images/photos/photo_lg_maldives.jpg)
(http://www.maldivestourism.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/maldives-resort.jpg)
(http://www.i4ide.org/images/maldives_air_look.jpg)
Sadly, these islands were severely damaged by Tsunami.. :cry: :cry: :cry:
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Given the smooth shape, the blending of color on the veneer, and the way (wonderful) it sounded at the show - I'd suggest "Aura"
Bryan
I have liked Portal, but I must say Aura is quite nice as well.
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How about Tsunami then. That will bring an end to things!
Hard to say: Salk Tsunami is a tongue-twister. Beats a purple herbie though. :green:
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Here's a list of the names mentioned so far (sorry if missed any, maybe we should bold our suggestions so they stand out). There are some real contendors out there right now! Explanations of the names have been ommitted for simplicity.
Mitre
Bishop
The Waimea
Wave-rider
Cathedrals
Open Cathedrals
Rocchetta
Arche
Arcus
Sonic Markers
Bell Towers
TRIOB
Air
WindSong
WindChime
Spire
Summit
Meridian
Twin Spires
Salk Portals
A93's
Airche
Parabola
Leonora
Horus
Aten
Song Monuments or Music Monuments
Salk Sanctum
Salk Aperto's
Salk Harbinger's
Salk Zypher's
Salk AirWaves
Salk Enclave
OpenAir
Westminster" or "Canterbury"
Songbursts
Kaleo
SoundBoard
Open Portal
Betty
Hang Ten's
Salk Bullit
Temptress
Prodigal
Ambrosial
Salk Chevalier
Music Marker, The Musical Mark, The Scepter of Sound"
The Warrior. Athena.The Chief
Tombstone
Mathias
The Pipelines
North Shore
Stargate's
Spry 1, EZ Drivers, Radiance
Viper Clone
Caliber
The MOB or OMB-1
The Obbie
Clarity
Boundless
Nuance
Open Range
Missle" or "Orbiter
Triomphe
Salk OB Portals
Nonparaille
Aura
Salk Maldives
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Given the smooth shape, the blending of color on the veneer, and the way (wonderful) it sounded at the show - I'd suggest "Aura"
Bryan
Very nice!
I vote for:
Bishop
Portal's
Clarity
Aura
Thanks for making the list, godawgs.
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"Abierto" -- which means "open" in Spanish.
Or "Sesame" -- as in "open sesame"
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Or "Complet", which is French for "complete".
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Given the smooth shape, the blending of color on the veneer, and the way (wonderful) it sounded at the show - I'd suggest "Aura"
Bryan
Very nice!
I vote for:
Bishop
Portal's
Clarity
Aura
Thanks for making the list, godawgs.
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No problem, someone had to make it at some point, I just happen to be bored at work today which is really rare.
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"Abierto" -- which means "open" in Spanish.
Or "Sesame" -- as in "open sesame"
Yeah I like the Aperto that I had mentioned in my first post in this thread - its Italian for "open" - I think either of these are nice names."Abierto" -- which means "open" in Spanish.
Or "Sesame" -- as in "open sesame"
Yeah I like the "Aperto" that I had mentioned in my first post in this thread - its Italian for "open" - I think either of those are nice
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"Abierto" -- which means "open" in Spanish.
Or "Sesame" -- as in "open sesame"
Yeah I like the Aperto that I had mentioned in my first post in this thread - its Italian for "open" - I think either of these are nice names."Abierto" -- which means "open" in Spanish.
Or "Sesame" -- as in "open sesame"
Yeah I like the "Aperto" that I had mentioned in my first post in this thread - its Italian for "open" - I think either of those are nice
I agree, "Aperto" is pretty good especially since my parents were born and raised in Italy and I have visited there several times. I love the sound of Italian. These speakers do not look "American" for sure. These speakers are unique, at least in looks, with an exotic yet conservative, classy flair to them. Some "exotic" name like from the South Pacific or Caribbean would not fit but something European would. I like the French "Le Reve". This means "The Dream" and is a well known term from an artistic and musical standpoint. According to Wikipedia, Picasso painted "Le Reve", Zola wrote a novel by that name and, since I just returned from a trip to Vegas, there is a "Le Reve" show playing at the Wynn. I also know that a famous tenor aria from Massenet's opera "Manon" is known as "Le Reve". The dream. Maybe it is a dream come true for Jim. But I bet this speaker will be a dream come true for the lucky owners.
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How about Salk Karma for the incredible impression they made showgoers this past weekend at the AK Fest? :thumb:
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Imiloa- derived from the Hawaiian word for “explorer” or “seeker of profound truth.”
or
The highest stratum of "space," lewa, is the lewa lani
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I like Imiloa and Kharma
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Thanks for putting that list together.
You missed Gateway
and Open Gateway
...but what about Salk Kahuna
Kahuna means priest but can mean sorcerer
The Big Kahuna, that's right
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My first thought was “Air”, but that is already taken, so how about these….
“Malibu Stacy” (for the Simpsons fans….the design of this doll was changed after some kid poked her eye out….use your imagination as they are “pointy”)
“Salk Buy One Get One Free” (just thinking out loud here guys)
I’m not creative, but I thought I’d give it a shot. Now I’ll just wait for my SongTowers to be finished.
Joking aside I like “WindSong” and “Portal” equally the best.
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I'm digging 'Portal' as well...
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How about Salk Karma for the incredible impression they made showgoers this past weekend at the AK Fest? :thumb:
karma or karman (kär`mə, kär`mən), [Skt.,=action, work, or ritual], basic concept common to Hinduism Hinduism (hin`d
..... Click the link for more information. , Buddhism Buddhism (bd`ĭzəm), religion and philosophy founded in India c.525 B.
..... Click the link for more information. , and Jainism Jainism (jī`nĭzəm) [i.e., the religion of Jina], religious system of India practiced by about 5,000,000 persons.
..... Click the link for more information. . The doctrine of karma states that one's state in this life is a result of actions (both physical and mental) in past incarnations, and action in this life can determine one's destiny in future incarnations. Karma is a natural, impersonal law of moral cause and effect and has no connection with the idea of a supreme power that decrees punishment or forgiveness of sins.
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I'm digging 'Portal' as well...
Main Entry: 1por·tal
Pronunciation: \ˈpȯr-təl\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French, from Medieval Latin portale city gate, porch, from neuter of portalis of a gate, from Latin porta gate — more at port
Date: 14th century
1: door, entrance; especially : a grand or imposing one
2: the whole architectural composition surrounding and including the doorways and porches of a church
3: the approach or entrance to a bridge or tunnel
4: a communicating part or area of an organism; specifically : the point at which something (as a pathogen) enters the body
5: a site serving as a guide or point of entry to the World Wide Web and usually including a search engine or a collection of links to other sites arranged especially by topic
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How about combining the "clarity" name with "portal's?" They could be called the Clarity Portal's. Clarity is the line and Portal's is the speaker design. aa
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Nuance, you should get some points just for your super cute little girl. One of these days I'll not be so lazy and get my girls as an avatar. They are little cuties too. :D
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Hello,
I have a new pair of HT3's on Long Island, N.Y., if you need to give a listen let me know.
Geo.
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Nuance, you should get some points just for your super cute little girl. One of these days I'll not be so lazy and get my girls as an avatar. They are little cuties too. :D
:D Thanks a lot, bigjp. She's the best thing that's ever happened to me.
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Here's my 2 cents worth of names:
Salk Pleasuredome
Salk Avalon
Salk Harp
Salk Oberon
Salk Arrival
Wayner
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Here's my 2 cents worth of names:
Salk Pleasuredome
Salk Avalon
Salk Harp
Salk Oberon
Salk Arrival
Wayner
I'm not keen on Wayner! :green:
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How about "Open Wayner" :lol:
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Surfboards ... yeah. Hey Jim, can you surf those 4' chops on Lake St. Clair? So how about a few obvious possibilities:
SALK SURFERS (Catch a soundwave)
HANG THREE
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Salk EOB (efficient open baffle)
Salk Shredder (surfspeak for a nimble rider, or a short board)
Salk Solution
Salk Epiphany
I apologize if any of these are duplicate suggestions.
Cheers
-Funk
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I'm digging "Legend".
-Mike
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I'm digging "Legend".
-Mike
If you google Legend + Loudspeaker, you'll see a whole lotta links, including this one: http://www.audioreview.com/cat/speakers/floorstanding-speakers/paradigm/PRD_120348_1594crx.aspx
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Hi Guys,
What about this for a name:
Salk Horizon
Salk Speakzilla
Regards
Rod
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how about ...
Salk DK's........in honor of this man
http://www.surfingmuseum.org/collection/duke/duke.html
http://www.co.honolulu.hi.us/cameras/waikiki_beach/duke.htm
http://www.honolulufestival.com/eng/letstalk02.php
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1. Cecilia - patron saint of music
2. purist
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Good idea papajohn10. So how about:
THE DUKE or
THE DUKES
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I am still thinking "SongPortal".
Frank Van Alstine
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My final vote is:
Speaker Line: Clarity
Speaker Name: Sound Portal's.
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How about a play on the Star Wars character Obi-wan Kenobi? Aside from the name of the line, the model name could be OB-1, short for Open Baffle-1.
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How about a play on the Star Wars character Obi-wan Kenobi? Aside from the name of the line, the model name could be OB-1, short for Open Baffle-1.
Obi-wan Jimnobi?? :wink:
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How about a play on the Star Wars character Obi-wan Kenobi? Aside from the name of the line, the model name could be OB-1, short for Open Baffle-1.
Obi-wan Jimnobi?? :wink:
:lol:
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Cool sunburst... How about GOTHIX ?
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Hmmm, and the speakers do have a sort of hooded Jedi look to them. OB-1, I like it!
On second thought, they look very Old Republic...I'll have a really hard time thinking about them in any other way now.
That name is pure win.
/fanboy
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I'm getting a ribbon version of this speaker, YAHOOOOO!! :green: :green:
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Congratulations Berry! What wood are you going to get?
Bob
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tineo :peek:
Congratulations Berry! What wood are you going to get?
Bob
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Future talk: "The Portals look great in Tineo"--- "Get some Salk Portals, you'll love them."--- etc. It rolls off the tongue nicely. Simple and sticks well.
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Jim - really beautiful design.
Real tempted to give them a go.
If they are anything like the Pharos then you have another excellent design.
As to a name, if they are as musical as the Pharos, then I would go with the Apollos.
BTW the Pharos are being powered by a pair of Wyetech Onyx 13 watt SET mono-blocks.
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If they are anything like the Pharos then you have another excellent design.
Hey John,
It looks like Barry's will have the same ribbon and midrange as your Pharos. Barry is a magician in setting speakers up. You will have to get Barry to let you listen to them when he gets them set up. I know I will be bugging him! Wink2
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How about "Arioso"?
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Beautiful speaker...
Solstice
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I'm getting a ribbon version of this speaker, YAHOOOOO!! :green: :green:
Really? Are there any more details about that speaker?
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I don't know.. you have to ask Jim about it. I told Jim that I want this speaker and he told me that Jeff just finished with the crossover design using the ribbon G2 tweeter so he gave me a choice - and I chose the ribbon. :green:
I'm getting a ribbon version of this speaker, YAHOOOOO!! :green: :green:
Really? Are there any more details about that speaker?
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I don't know.. you have to ask Jim about it. I told Jim that I want this speaker and he told me that Jeff just finished with the crossover design using the ribbon G2 tweeter so he gave me a choice - and I chose the ribbon. :green:
Good choice on going with the G2.
George
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Wow! Those are real beauties, and I would imagine they sound great.
I really like "Portals"
One that strikes me is "crescendo"
It is really hard to actually come up with a name without having heard them, so I'd be happy to provide my shipping address...... :lol:
Warmly,
Michael
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Wow! Those are real beauties, and I would imagine they sound great.
I really like "Portals"
One that strikes me is "crescendo"
It is really hard to actually come up with a name without having heard them, so I'd be happy to provide my shipping address...... :lol:
Warmly,
Michael
I like Crescendo very much...might be my new favorite!
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[I like Crescendo very much...might be my new favorite!
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Hmmmm I'm not quite sure what an open baffle design has to do with a gradual increase in volume. Are you sure you weren't thinking that crescendo meant climax? Sorry to be so picky, but crescendo is probably one of the 5 most misused terms in the English language. Ehhhhhh--I'm being too pedantic.
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I like "crescendo" BECAUSE of the dynamic nature (gradual build to a peak) it implies.
I agree it is mis-used, but not in this case.... thanks for reinforcing the intent!
Edit - and, to further clarify the intent, the "gradual increase in volume" is typically used to convey emotion or to "provide emphasis", as are many other musical techniques.
Warmly,
Michael
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I was thinking not gradual sound increases, but more so invoking greater emotions as its played....I was quick to endorse and Dennis I agree, you are being too narrow minded. :P
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How about the Cowbells or Sonic Cowbells?
Got Cowbell?
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/59/Cowbell.gif/180px-Cowbell.gif)
I got a fever and the only prescription is more cowbell!
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"and Dennis I agree, you are being too narrow minded."
Glad to have my opinion backed by a competent authority. But if I can't win on semantics, there's this:
"Strong sales of the Infinity "Sterling" and "Crescendo" loudspeaker models to Circuit City as well as higher sales of Infinity automotive aftermarket ..." and http://www.acousticzen.com/
I'm not afraid of Acoustic Zen, but I'm not sure Jim wants to take on Harmon International.
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How about W.T.F.A.T.G.T.N.T.S. When the Fack are they going to name this speaker!
YEah... it has a ring to it. A cowbell ring perhaps?
Mike
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LOL on the cowbell clip!!!!
Looks like the crescendo name is taken, oh well, it was worth a try.
Ya know, I would imagine just about every musical term has been used to name an audio product by now.
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The next person to name yet another speaker with yet another word from the dictionary of musical terms shall be battuta col legno. Just way too overdone...
-dan
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Maybe the "Salk Serenades" or the "Salk Rhapsodies."
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"and Dennis I agree, you are being too narrow minded."
Glad to have my opinion backed by a competent authority. But if I can't win on semantics, there's this:
"Strong sales of the Infinity "Sterling" and "Crescendo" loudspeaker models to Circuit City as well as higher sales of Infinity automotive aftermarket ..." and http://www.acousticzen.com/
I'm not afraid of Acoustic Zen, but I'm not sure Jim wants to take on Harmon International.
dang - Crescendo sounded nice...no wonder, its aleardy taken! Duh!
Now in all seriousness, I agree with you - I would not want to take on a major player for a name
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Twin peaks?
No music reference there :duh:
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i will be extremely surprised if this speaker isn't named "sound portal". unless, of course it's named "song portal", or yust "portal". no other names come close, imo...
doug s.
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Ok Jim, pick one, What'l it be called?
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Do one in silvery wood and call it R2.
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They remind me of the beautiful handcrafted surfboards so
Longboard
Olo -type of surfboard made for Royalty
Soundboards
Baffleboards
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Wayfarer?
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Tombstone?
JBOB?
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Aerial
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Ethereal
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e·the·re·al Audio Help /ɪˈθɪəriəl/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[i-theer-ee-uhl] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–adjective 1. light, airy, or tenuous: an ethereal world created through the poetic imagination.
2. extremely delicate or refined: ethereal beauty.
3. heavenly or celestial: gone to his ethereal home.
4. of or pertaining to the upper regions of space.
5. Chemistry. pertaining to, containing, or resembling ethyl ether.
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How about... Carpet Scoocher?
Mike
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Well, if we don't have a great name by now, I doubt we'll ever have one. This list contains some very good ideas. I was planning on wading through the entire thread yesterday and narrowing things down. I even started working on it. But by the time I got caught up on all the emails that had piled up, I just ran out of time.
I may have some time on Wednesday evening to sort things out and inform Jeff of my thoughts (since he was instrumental in the design, it is only appropriate that he should have input into the final name selection). So, hopefully, we can put this to bed by the end of the week.
I want to personally thank everyone who put some thought into this. Your input is greatly apprecaited.
Thanks,
- Jim
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Jim,
I hope by the time I receive my pair, it will already have a name. :lol:
Oh by the way, given your already excessive workload, what's a realistic expection turn-around time for a new pair?
Thanks
barry
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Wayfarer?
I like it, but how would it apply to the look of the speaker? Isn't a wayfarer a person who travels on foot?
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Soundboard
I like Soundboard, mostly because I suggested it earlier but does seem to fit. :icon_lol:
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How about The Salk Euphoria? :angel:
-Roy
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Quote from: Big Red Machine on Yesterday at 11:29:26 am
Wayfarer?
I like it, but how would it apply to the look of the speaker? Isn't a wayfarer a person who travels on foot?
Wayfarer, I kind of like that. I think they were a pair of beach shorts or some clothing back in the day, so it's along with the surf scene theme.
The Wayfarer is a wooden or fibreglass hulled Bermuda rigged sailing dinghy, often used for short sailing trips as a 'day boat'. Wayfarers' size and stability have made them popular with sailing schools.
or
One who travels, especially on foot.
or
1. a pedestrian who walks from place to place
2. a traveler going on a trip
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Quote from: Big Red Machine on Yesterday at 11:29:26 am
Wayfarer?
I like it, but how would it apply to the look of the speaker? Isn't a wayfarer a person who travels on foot?
Wayfarer, I kind of like that. I think they were a pair of beach shorts or some clothing back in the day, so it's along with the surf scene theme.
The Wayfarer is a wooden or fibreglass hulled Bermuda rigged sailing dinghy, often used for short sailing trips as a 'day boat'. Wayfarers' size and stability have made them popular with sailing schools.
or
One who travels, especially on foot.
or
1. a pedestrian who walks from place to place
2. a traveler going on a trip
And you can wear these sunglasses while listening.... (http://www.amazon.com/Ray-Wayfarer-Sunglasses-Polarized-Lens/dp/B0011THJA8) 8)
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The top half look like a surf board, it does.
Waves... air...
Hm...
It also remind me of a broad bladed sword of the type used by the Knights of Avalon.
Salk Excalibur
Salk Caliburn
(Excalibur = Caliburn, just different dialects..)
Imperial
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How about the Salk "Sound Arch". Or , maybe the "Music Arch".
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Bagby Baffles
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Bagby Baffles
Bagles?
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Bagby Baffles
Bagles?
Oh Dear.....
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What about:
Salk Procrastinator
Sorry Jim, couldn't resist - after all you did christen me Philistine :wink:
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How about
"Salk Surreals" : From Wikipedia :surreal in general means bizarre or dreamlike (you did say dream up a name, and they look like dream speakers :lol:)
:thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
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For the beauty of the physical speaker...the sonic excellence I expect they will deliver...and the overall experience of dealing with JS and the satisfaction of knowing you are getting as close to speaker nirvana as you can get for the money -
The Salk Serenity
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Thors Hammer... I like the nordic theme there on you usrname! :D
Why don't we go to american age of old and say Geronimo!!!
Salk Geronimo.
The protuding tip on top of the speaker signifying the eagle feather that was attathed to the back of his head. :thumb:
Geronimo was an Apache indian.
Uhm of course... His Apache name Goyaałé means "The yawning one" But who cares... :oops:
Salk Indian Chief ... maybe.. or maybe a name of one attatched.. :
A
Abbigadasset | Adoeette | American Horse | Adario | Allaquippa | Annawan | Mark Arthur | Aspenquid |Aspinet | Assacumbuit | Crispus Attacks | Awashonks
B
Big Bill | Big Jim | Big Mouth | Big-mush | Big Foot | Big Warrior | Biauswah | Big Canoe | Black Beaver | Blackbird | Black Bob | Black Fox | Black Hawk | Black Kettle (Cheyenne) | Black Kettle (Onondaga) | Blacksnake | Black Thunder | Bomazeen | Mary Bosomworth |Elias Boudinot | Bloody Knife | Bluejacket | Col. Bowl | Bowlegs | Bright Eyes | Broken Tooth | Buckongahelas
C
Canasatego | Canonicus | Captain Jack | Catahecassa | Chanco | Cheeshateaumuck Cheetsmahoin | Chechawkose | Chekilli | Chickataubut | Cochise | Colorado | Mangas Coloradas | William Colbert | Comcomly | Cornplanter | George Copway | Cornstalk | Crazy Horse | Crow Dog | Cuerno Verde | Curley Head
D ~ E ~ F
John Davis | Dekanawida | Dekanisora | Choukeka Dekaury | Konoka Dekaury | Dohasan | Donacona | Dragging Canoe | Jean Baptiste Ducoigne | Joseph Dukes | Dull Knife
Charles Alexander Eastman | John Eastman | Edenshaw | El Mocho | Emistesigo | Enmegahbowh |Ensenore | Eshkebugecoshe | Epanow | Etsowish | Evea
Farmer's Brother | Fife |Finhioven| Stephen Foreman | Francisco
G ~ H
Gall | Garakonthie |Gelelemend|Geronimo | Glikhikan | Going Snake |Grand Soleil | Granganameo | Grangula | Great Mortar
Haiglar | Half King (Huron) Half King (Seneca) | Hanging-maw| Hendrick | Hiawatha | Hillis Hadjo | Hishkowits |Hobomok | Hobomoko|Holatamico | Hole-in-the-day | Hollow Horn Bear | Hopocan | Hopehood | Hornotlimed
J ~ K ~ L
Joseph
Kanakuk | Keokuk | Kiasntha | King Philip
Lappawinze | Little Carpenter | Little Raven | Little Thunder | Little Turtle Lone Wolf Yeah!!! We've seen that name on AC haven't we :D
George Lowrey | John Lowrey
M
Massassoit | Metea | Alexander McGillivray | Chilly MacIntosh | William MacIntosh Mankato
Manuelito | Many Horses | Maquinna | Miantonomo | Mikanopy Moanahonga Mokohoko | Moses Moses(2) | Moytoy | Moxus | Mriksah | Mugg | Mushalatubee
N
Nahche | Nakaidoklini | Nanepashemet | Nanawonggabe | Nanuntenoo | Napeshneeduta
Nawat | Noel Negabamat | Negahnquet | Negwagon | Neokautah Neomonni
Tom Nepanet | Neron | Job Nesutan | Neswage | Netawatwees
O
Onasakenrat Opechancanough |Peter Oneyana | Onondakai | Opothleyaholo | Opothleyoholo
Orona | Oronhyatekha Osceola | Osunkhirhine John Otherday | Otsinoghiyata
Peter Otsiquette
P
Papakeecha | Patkanim |Paxinos | Pontiac | Powhatan | Pierre Paul | Peter Perkins Pitchlynn
Pope | Pushmataha | Quana Parker
R
Red Bird | Red Cloud | Red Fish | Red Jacket | Red Thunder | Redwing | Gabriel Renville
Joseph Renville | John Ross
S
Sassacus | Sequoya | Sassaba | Satanta | Scarface Charlie | Scarouady | Schonchin | Seattle
Setangya | Shabonee | Shakopee | Shahaka | Shavehead Shingabawassin | Sitting Bull
Sleeping Wolf | Smohalla Squando | Squanto
T
Tammany | Tarhe | Tecumseh | Tenskwatawa | Thayendanega
U ~ W ~ Y
Uncas (Must be the most famous one...)
Wabokieshiek | Wamditanka | Waneta | Washakie | William Weatherford | Winamac | Winema
Wizikute | Wovoka | Allen Wright
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Imperial
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WOW! Imperial - you get an A+ for effort! :)
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Gorgeous! They definitely look like rockets waiting to launch, hence Rockets should be the name, and it will fly!
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You know. I was just over at www.enjoythemusic.com , looking at the AK fest 2008 page there...
(http://www.enjoythemusic.com/akfest_08/ward/salk3.jpg)
I'm looking at the picture and ONE word sprung to mind... Cathedral!!! :thumb: (Of course, I'm a bit slow to detect this... :oops: I checked back to page one and see it's pretty much the starting word.. but still, I sort of got there myself too!)
This speaker looks like a Cathedral!!! (first suggested by ST.Pats guy, and I agree now!)
Cathedral names (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cathedrals)!!! Or maybe Salk Cathedral will do, what ever! Salk Arundel?
I'm looking at it... and that just jumped at me!!!
You know, sitting inside a cathedral you look up at the ceiling and you see a shape (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a2/Arundelcatherdralinterior.jpg/450px-Arundelcatherdralinterior.jpg)... Link is to the "Arundel" in Brighton (west sussex, UK)
IMHO!!!
Imperial
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Reintroducing: Salk Sonic Markers
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How about
"Salk Surreals" : From Wikipedia :surreal in general means bizarre or dreamlike (you did say dream up a name, and they look like dream speakers :lol:)
:thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
To this previous suggestion I would like to add "Salk Soundscapes" :thumb:
The term "soundscape" can also refer to an audio recording or performance of sounds that create the sensation of experiencing a particular acoustic environment, or compositions created using the "found sounds" of an acoustic environment, either exclusively or in conjunction with musical performances.[1][2]
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Do we have a name yet? Did someone already say, "Cathedral". I am not taking credit for it as I think I heard someone say this name at AKFest and I really thought it fit.
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Yup There have been all kinds of votes for Cathedral. And the "Portal" suggestion was made in the context of a cathedral--they look like the connecting doors in cathedrals. (Of course, the "portal" name has the added benefit of a double meaning appropriate to audio, but I editorialize.)
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Ok, am curious. I know Jim has made some specific & special alterations/selections which improved the unit from Mr. Bagby's original. That noted, in reading Jeff's post early on I saw he had already named them "Galileo's". I was wondering if it's sufficient to call them Salk Galileo's ?
Given that all sectors of my internal 'harddrive' are not fully accessible due to the years, enough bits remain that I get the feelings expressed by many regarding 'Cathedrals', 'Portals', 'Mitres', 'Bishops', etc (ie Middle Ages/Renaissance), as well as an insinuation regarding 'open baffle' design. Wasn't Galileo's vision in large part to the heavens. Can't get much more open than that.
Just wondering if a name change is required, or if simply a refining addition to their original moniker is sufficient.
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OK, I have looked at them a lot of times but this time Salk Lebowskis' just popped in my head for their slightly unconventional, unorthodox, laid back look, with a quiet confidence that is way cool- besides anyone that names their speaker Lebowski is fully confident in their design and performance , beside who would forget a speaker named Lebowski?
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DUDE!
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I'm looking at the picture and ONE word sprung to mind... Cathedral!!!
You know, I do see it. A Cathedral. How about...
Salk Winchester
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Oh thanks Legend! Now I've got that stupid song bouncing around my empty noggin ...
Megaphone please ...
"Winchester cathedral,
You're bringin' me down,
You stood and you watched as,
My baby left town"
...........ARGGHHH!!!!! :lol:
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fodio-dough
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In the spirit of Lebowski, they might have to be larger, so they could truly be the Big Lebowski - what a fun name for a sub!
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Bump to the top. Any word on a name for these guys yet?
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How about Salk Parables?
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Bump to the top. Any word on a name for these guys yet?
what he said...
doug s.
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How about "THE ARCH" and there could be some adjustable outriggers for height and tilt called the "ARCH SUPPORTS" aa
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Jim,
on page 1 of this thread you said that when real data was available, the graph in the first post would be updated. Frankly, I'm surprised it was posted in the first place, especially with the descriptor "measured frequency response".
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The Minstrel OB
Thanks, Jim.
Jerry
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Bump to the top. Any word on a name for these guys yet?
what he said...
doug s.
Yea, dittos, time to name 'em.
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After a wedding, is appropriate to have a baptism. How do you baptize speakers? :scratch:
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dunk them in ferrofluid. :D
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I would dip-spray them in high gloss lacquer or polyurethane.
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The tongue-in-check suggestions notwithstanding, there are some very good names in here. Still, this effort shows just how difficult it might be to come up with an appropriate name. I can't remember how many times I have read someone post they just might buy that amp or pre-amp if it wasn't named something like Peach or Blueberry.
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I can't remember how many times I have read someone post they just might buy that amp or pre-amp if it wasn't named something like Peach or Blueberry.
But they are "juicy" preamps..... :wink: :lol:
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The tongue-in-check suggestions notwithstanding, there are some very good names in here. Still, this effort shows just how difficult it might be to come up with an appropriate name. I can't remember how many times I have read someone post they just might buy that amp or pre-amp if it wasn't named something like Peach or Blueberry.
i thought how ridiculous is this? not buying a nice piece of gear because of its name? then i remembered the ford... probe... :o :duh: :lol:
doug s.
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Ok, I couldn't resist ... PsalmTower. aa? (Yes, I registered just for that.)
That out of the way, the spiritual theme hit me immediately and since "stained glass window" doesn't just roll of the tongue I'll offer up ... Requiem.
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Wow, no name yet... Maybe 'Incognito'? :icon_lol:
I really want a pair of these... Ribbon tweeter upgrade in Macassar Ebony... Can't wait.
In any case, not to repeat myself or anything, but I like the name 'Minstrel'. A Minstrel was a Renaissance era traveling entertainer, who would sing and play music for those who were generally rather privileged.
I'm thinking that by the time these speakers make it from the final photo to a happy listener, they are a traveler. They will play music of their own accompaniment. How cool is that? The generally somewhat privileged part comes with telling folks "Nice, huh?" :thumb:
Lastly, by totally random chance, an old friend came over today and we listened to some music. He asked if I had any Jethro Tull. Of course! We started going through the library and lo' and behold, check the cover art:
(http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/36/2c/f822729fd7a09a3982630110.L.jpg)
Minstrel in the Gallery. Different context, exceptionally cool in any case!
Whatever they become named, I look forward to having a pair.
Have fun,
Jerry
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That's my last chance. If its ribbon how about RIBOB? RIBbon-Open Baffle. :wink:
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So, ah...what's the new name? :dunno:
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How about the Salk CNA (Common, Name it Already!). :hyper: :whip:
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I haven't read all of this thread, but has anyone suggested "Gothic"? The pointed archway is a classic feature of gothic architecture, so it's a pretty appropriate name. The technical name for that type of arch appears to be Ogive and it looks like Ogive is pronounced "oh-jive" which is a fun name for a speaker.
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Hi Jim,
Any progress on the release of this speakers?
If not how is the testing of the new mid range, AE driver coming along?
Any progress report is welcome.
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Hi Jim,
Any progress on the release of this speakers?
If not how is the testing of the new mid range, AE driver coming along?
Any progress report is welcome.
Well, we received one sample driver for testing. While it could have worked, we discussed it with AE and decided to make a small change to the driver to provide better T/S parameters for an open baffle design. I talked to them yesteday and they thought they could build the next pair of samples next week. As soon as we get them, we will do some testing and most likely be able to build test crossovers to confirm their performance and we will be set to go. Hopefully all this will be done by the end of the month.
- Jim
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I went right to the end so forgive me if its been mentioned already.
Cardinals.
They wear funny hats too.
nonoise
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May I suggest "Forte". The religeous theme needs to be avoided IMHO :wink:
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I had forgotten about this thread....but I see it does now have a name...
Archos.... (http://www.salksound.com/speakers_archos.shtml).. 8)