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Industry Circles => GR Research => Topic started by: soundofrockets on 16 Aug 2020, 02:52 am
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Finally got to putting them together.
Capt Jay did a marvelous job with the assembly and finish on the cabinets.
Danny sent the kits
Cheeseboy did most of the work in putting them together.
We got both the cabinets mounted with woofers.
Got one of wired.
Fired it up.
Had some issues. Will need to adjust some more - but exhausted today
Jay was available all day for phone support - very patient and not willing to give up on us - thanks once again.
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Those are beautiful, I can't wait to hear your thoughts!
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Congrats Sunil!
Going to be insane at your place when it all comes together.
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Have to do a GTG when the madness is over!
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Soon very soon - this COVID has taken a toll on all activities. Steve came over and hard worked hard all day and that dams Teflon covering on the wire!!
On the side note - the Klaus magic is in full glory.
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Glad you had help from the Cheese Boy on these. Looking forward to hearing your impressions when you get everything together.
Every now & then I think about pulling the Super V’s out and put them just to the side of the Super 7’s and just run the Woofs for kicks to see what happens. It would be a very tight fit. :o
What all did you end up having done on the Odyssey’s? Any opinions formed yet? I still go back and forth on sending mine in. Should give Kraus a late night call and see if he has and thoughts on my situation. I feel like I’m in a rut. Need to figure out a couple issues with the Oppo. Finally bought an old Mac Mini and want to turn it into a Roon Server.....
Decisions, decisions, decisions....
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Life is all about decisions.
We ran out of driver wire and hence could complete only one “tower” - plus Cheese had to go home “early” to scrub his deck and polish the hutch - so the project is on hold for the moment.
Where can I get the driver wire?
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Hey Sunil
First off, was fun helping you guys,wish I could have been there in person, would have been fun ! I know this has been a long journey but happy it's getting close for you.
Funny, when I was talking to you guys yesterday, I never even clued in the Steve is Cheeseboy !! Now I know.
Remember, when that 2nd one gets done, you need to switch from the Sub out to a left/right pre out, will give you better results.
Talk soon man :thumb:
Oh, and just call Danny to order some more wire !!
jay
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I called and left him a voice mail.
Thanks for your help yesterday.
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Building the second tower today - hopefully everything runs smoothly.
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All done. Basic settings on the amp as per recommendations from Capt Jay.
So far so good.
Thanks to Cheeseboy for gething the project up and running.
Thanks to Bruce for providing special cables.
Thanks to Capt Jay for his technical support and above all patience and excellent customer service - we ran into a hiccup- but he stayed with me till the end result was to my satisfaction.
I will next attempt the NoRez.
For Danny - what would be a good cross over point between the LS9 and the Twin Triple OB? I think I have them crossed at 50 🤔
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For Danny - what would be a good cross over point between the LS9 and the Twin Triple OB? I think I have them crossed at 50 🤔
I'd start with it turned all the way down to 25Hz and work with the phase setting to get that dialled in.
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Was a pleasure Sunil , and all that pre-cut no-rez we sent not be too difficult for you, just take your time and make sure you have it where you want it before you rub it down or it'll never let go of that high gloss finish.
jay
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Congrats! Got them both assembled and working! Woo Hoo! :dance: :dance:
I imagine you should be able to dial them in pretty easy. Your LS9’s already dig very deep in your setup. Bottom octave or 2 is all you really need these for. Placement might be a bit of a challenge - where are you placing them?
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Hi John - I plan to place them in the back of the room - Left and Right back subs!!!
Dialing them in would be the next challenge after the No Rez lining.
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Hi all,
I see on this build, all 3 woofers face the same way. What is the consensus on how the woofers face? Or does not matter, do what you like? I want to go with a 2x12 sub, with both facing forward.
Thanks,
Tom
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Having at least one sub facing backwards helps reduce some minor distortion and keeps the towers center of gravity over the center, but the differences sonically is pretty minor.
Most people prefer the look and sound having them all facing forward
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I am told by Danny and Capt Jay - no issues sonically if all woofers facing forward. Additionally, Capt Jay very confident with regards to any gravity or concerns about tipping over.
Once all the woofers are mounted - they have solid weight and do not tip over. Plus they are suppose to be sitting/standing somewhere in the corner of the room with very little traffic. Now if you want to prove a point and make them tip over - that’s another story.
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Once all the woofers are mounted - they have solid weight and do not tip over. Plus they are suppose to be sitting/standing somewhere in the corner of the room with very little traffic.
OB subs are different -- they sound better away from corners and room boundaries and close to the speakers. Consider yourself fortunate. Most people don't have the real estate for twin triples.
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Close to the speakers will be a challenge as I have the LS 9 and LS center for front mains - does leave much space for anything else. I can place them next to the mains but it would seriously compromise the screen size for HT use.
Any advantage of using side walls vs the back walls? One advantage for back wall is nobody goes in the area - that pretty much eliminates accidental tipping over by tipsy guests!!😁
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Close to the speakers will be a challenge as I have the LS 9 and LS center for front mains - does leave much space for anything else. I can place them next to the mains but it would seriously compromise the screen size for HT use.
Any advantage of using side walls vs the back walls? One advantage for back wall is nobody goes in the area - that pretty much eliminates accidental tipping over by tipsy guests!!😁
The subs can be close to side walls but need to be at least 3ft away from the wall behind them. The LS9s play low enough that the crossover to the subs will be pretty low. That means the subs can be farther from the speakers and still blend well.
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3 feet away from back and side walls will be a huge challenge!!.
Can I place them horizontally?
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3 feet away from back and side walls will be a huge challenge!!.
Can I place them horizontally?
Good idea. Try it. They may sound better horizontally than in a corner.
BTW -- I have three dual OB subs. One of them is placed horizontally.
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I will try them horizontally - and try to keep them close to the front mains.
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You can place OB subs close to the side walls but not close to the front wall.
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I will try them horizontally - and try to keep them close to the front mains.
Wish we'd known about this , the tops on those are smaller than the bases (.75" over hang vs 1.5" overhang) so they'll sit / lie cocked on the floor. Also, as we discussed prior to shipping, the bottom faces have overspray on them, you'll want to grab a small can of Duratex and re-roll them if you plan to leave them horizontal.
As mentioned above, if you can get them 3' off the rear wall they will work well even if up close to sidewalls. Inegrating with mains even at distance with those low frequencies should not be an issue
jay
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Sunil -
It's been awhile and I'm not sure if your setup is the same...
Dug out some pictures from one of the GTG's and it seems like the MFW's were placed just outside of the LS 9's. Any chance you could put the Trips there and put the Subs back further/behind the triples? Would keep the OB's further from the front wall. The subs might pick up some boost from being closer to the corners and you could dial them back a bit. Give the OB's more breathing room and sound better.
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Wish we'd known about this , the tops on those are smaller than the bases (.75" over hang vs 1.5" overhang) so they'll sit / lie cocked on the floor. Also, as we discussed prior to shipping, the bottom faces have overspray on them, you'll want to grab a small can of Duratex and re-roll them if you plan to leave them horizontal.
Yep. It's not a triple, but my OB sub doesn't lie flush on the floor and I painted the bottom of the base. Not a big deal, though. Generally, I think it sounds slightly better sitting up. There's something unique about woofers high in the air, and I'll bet triples are impressive in that regard. But, given space constraints, you gotta do what it takes.
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Sunil -
It's been awhile and I'm not sure if your setup is the same...
Dug out some pictures from one of the GTG's and it seems like the MFW's were placed just outside of the LS 9's. Any chance you could put the Trips there and put the Subs back further/behind the triples? Would keep the OB's further from the front wall. The subs might pick up some boost from being closer to the corners and you could dial them back a bit. Give the OB's more breathing room and sound better.
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Hi John - the MFW 15 were much shorter in height and yes they were placed next to the LS9s - but now the MFWz are non functional with dead amps - I tried to replace them through Seaton Sound - got into another type of jam with that.
Coming back to the Twin Triples - I would definitely like them to be upright - preferably with front mains. I will be experimenting with placements.
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Yep. It's not a triple, but my OB sub doesn't lie flush on the floor and I painted the bottom of the base. Not a big deal, though. Generally, I think it sounds slightly better sitting up. There's something unique about woofers high in the air, and I'll bet triples are impressive in that regard. But, given space constraints, you gotta do what it takes.
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This can be done - but perhaps at an angle - with the Twins making tip of the sides of the triangle and the front wall as the base.
I may have to relocate the Rogue Apollos🤔 - but where?