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The Commercial Zone => Audio Shows and Events => Rocky Mountain Audio Fest => Topic started by: jtwrace on 9 Feb 2015, 11:15 pm
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Just made my hotel reservations. Also, I'd like to remind all the audio business owners that RMAF 2015 is October 2-4. There is no reason to wait until the week before to get ready other than blame your shitty sound on your procrastination. Unfortunately there was a LOT of that in 2014. I wasn't going this year but can't make Axpona so I'll give it another go in year 10 for me.
Start NOW!
http://audiofest.net/
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Looks like Chester Group gave up on NYAS. There's no indication there will be one in 2015. I thought moving it to just before RMAF was a terrible idea, even if it was only a 2 hour drive for me. Been going to RMAF for a while now; hadn't decided yet if I'll be going again this year. Was actually considering Axpona this year.
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I'm hoping this year will be better than last year. Last was the worst that I can remember.
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Sorry we'll miss you at AXPONA. Hope to get you in Chicago one of these years.
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Sorry we'll miss you at AXPONA. Hope to get you in Chicago one of these years.
I've been there many times...just not for Axpona. :P
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I'm hoping this year will be better than last year. Last was the worst that I can remember.
Hi:
What didn't you like about last years RMAF?
I haven't been there in several years but was thinking about going this year.
Cheers
Charlie
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Looks like I'm going this year after missing last year.
Southwest had a heck of a one day sale, and I just couldn't resist - justified it by saying to myself that I "only" get to go to the Newport Beach Show for 1 day this year...... :oops:
Hope it's a good one. Now to find a room and get a car.
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Try E-Z Rent a car. Cheap and on a shuttle from airport just like the big boys.
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Just made my hotel reservations. Also, I'd like to remind all the audio business owners that RMAF 2015 is October 2-4. There is no reason to wait until the week before to get ready other than blame your shitty sound on your procrastination. Unfortunately there was a LOT of that in 2014. I wasn't going this year but can't make Axpona so I'll give it another go in year 10 for me.
Start NOW!
http://audiofest.net/
I was going to but I need another year. In 2016 I will show a new speaker and cable line that will make some waves. :green:
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Taking a look at room rates - Hampton went up AGAIN :o. Looks like I'll try the Hilton Garden Inn this year.
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Flights booked. Hotel reg emailed in. Purchased event tix.
Now if I can make the 8 PM flight out of Detroit after a scheduled arrival at 6 PM from China!
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Good Luck! Hope you can make it and enjoy the show.
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Flights booked. Hotel reg emailed in. Purchased event tix.
Now if I can make the 8 PM flight out of Detroit after a scheduled arrival at 6 PM from China!
Sounds like Fun....
I will be headed out yet again
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Plane reservations made, hotel room booked, looking forward to my 11th straight RMAF, reconnecting with many ACers and making new friends.
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Got my plane tickets when they were cheap, but held off on Hotels. Checked the usual spots, and boy have their rates shot up. :o
Almost thinking of canceling - it's just getting too expensive for a goofing off "bachelor" vacation.
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I was debating as well for the same reasons. I was checking all the travel sites through Kayak on a regular basis and kept thinking I wasn't going to swing the higher price. A week ago I checked again and the Hampton must have been having some kind of flash price drop. I got in at the Hampton with non-stop flights for almost $20 less than last year. So I'm good to go.
The next day it was back up to the sort of high prices we're seeing everywhere.
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Can't do it this year. I have been working all angles to see if there was going to be a glimmer of hope for attending but the crack disappeared yesterday when we got tix to see Stevie Wonder on Saturday.
You see, it's my 15th anniversary on the 2nd. RMAF did not do me any favor by moving the date. :duh:
So I have a room reserved at Marriott that I am going to cancel. Anybody want it?
You guys make sure to continue on the 3rd annual TCG memorial dinner.
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Can't do it this year. I have been working all angles to see if there was going to be a glimmer of hope for attending but the crack disappeared yesterday when we got tix to see Stevie Wonder on Saturday.
You see, it's my 15th anniversary on the 2nd. RMAF did not do me any favor by moving the date. :duh:
So I have a room reserved at Marriott that I am going to cancel. Anybody want it?
You guys make sure to continue on the 3rd annual TCG memorial dinner.
I just spoke with the Mrs....she said she was hoping to see the Rocky Mountains with you in the beginning of October. I'd say surprise her and give her what she wants. :kiss:
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Will be there this year!
Sorry to hear woodsyi will not make it.
Hope to see others at the show!
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Taking a look at room rates - Hampton went up AGAIN :o. Looks like I'll try the Hilton Garden Inn this year.
What are the rates at the Hampton?
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What are the rates at the Hampton?
$169. HGI is $197.
I get the feeling a lot of folks don't travel on business because I find these rates to be very reasonable.
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$169. HGI is $197.
I get the feeling a lot of folks don't travel on business because I find these rates to be very reasonable.
Thank you.
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Marriott room I have reserved is at the show rate which was around $100 last year. If I add your name as a double and I don't show up, you will still only pay double rate which was only $10 more. Let me know if anyone is interested.
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AC folks, if you remember, put your AC screen name on the bottom of your nametag via the RMAF event ticket purchase page. I'll be the ruggedly handsome fellow. :icon_surprised:
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AC folks, if you remember, put your AC screen name on the bottom of your nametag via the RMAF event ticket purchase page. I'll be the ruggedly handsome fellow. :icon_surprised:
Yep, Pete will be the small quiet, shy guy in the corner.
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I'll be the ruggedly handsome fellow. :icon_surprised:
Still having trouble with those dark glasses? :dance:
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Would love to meet you if attending RMAF. Endeavor Audio, Modwright, Triangle Arts, and Skogrand Cables will be in room 8002 this year.
Hope to see you there.
Leif
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Sounds like Fun....
I will be headed out yet again
Kevin, you are invited back to the JRiver/JTR room this year for movie night. This year we will be showing a movie on Friday and Saturday night - on a 126" diagonal Seymour Screen Excellence Enlightor-4K screen and a JVC RS67U projector.
Anyone else is invited, too, to room 2016. Please PM me to let me know you are coming. We will have food and drinks. I'm not sure yet on the start time. I would guess around 7:45-8:00 pm. We need to be finished by 10 pm.
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Sounds like fun
No idea what Marks plan is yet for this year
Kevin, you are invited back to the JRiver/JTR room this year for movie night. This year we will be showing a movie on Friday and Saturday night - on a 126" diagonal Seymour Screen Excellence Enlightor-4K screen and a JVC RS67U projector.
Anyone else is invited, too, to room 2016. Please PM me to let me know you are coming. We will have food and drinks. I'm not sure yet on the start time. I would guess around 7:45-8:00 pm. We need to be finished by 10 pm.
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Will be there this year!
Sorry to hear woodsyi will not make it.
Hope to see others at the show!
HAL - Do you know which room your server will be in yet? Looking forward to hearing it! - Martin
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Just an observation, there are 26 rooms in the Atrium tower available right now and one on the 9th floor. I am sure a lot of last minute exhibitors may sign up but this could be a slow show this year.
Still going.
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HAL - Do you know which room your server will be in yet? Looking forward to hearing it! - Martin
No plans to exhibit at RMAF2015 this year. Just attending and listening.
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I’ll be there...no commitment or others to worry about -- hope to put faces to usernames here.
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Just an observation, there are 26 rooms in the Atrium tower available right now and one on the 9th floor. I am sure a lot of last minute exhibitors may sign up but this could be a slow show this year.
Still going.
Hmmm. :scratch:
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Hmmm. :scratch:
Too many coastal shows will drain the attraction of heading (halfway) west and take its toll on the popularity of RMAF in my opinion. I'm not happy about it because I enjoy the location, the venue, and the getaway my wife and I take each fall.
Also, the industry is down right now. Anyone have any thoughts on discretionary spending these days? Mine is going up (at last) but not sure if entry level audiophiles are nil, in hibernation, or ? Probably a good thread topic of its own.
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Too many coastal shows will drain the attraction of heading (halfway) west and take its toll on the popularity of RMAF in my opinion. I'm not happy about it because I enjoy the location, the venue, and the getaway my wife and I take each fall.
Also, the industry is down right now. Anyone have any thoughts on discretionary spending these days? Mine is going up (at last) but not sure if entry level audiophiles are nil, in hibernation, or ? Probably a good thread topic of its own.
I do think there are waaaay too many shows. I'd like to see one the east and one on the west and then little area gatherings if manufacturers wanted to attend. Between the time and cost for these smaller guys it's gotten out of control and I'm sure that's what is happening now. At the end of the day there has to be an ROI for these guys...
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AXPONA in Chicago has become more popular the past few years and had quite a few internet direct companies there this year.
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Yup, too many shows... RMAF does not advertise enough to drum up attendance either, nobody who isn't into audio knows about RMAF. Since B&M HiFi stores are much rarer audio shows are one of the main ways to expose folks to HiFi, and if the shows aren't advertised nobody knows about it and nobody new shows up which leads to stagnancy and low attendance. It would be great if RMAF regained it's place as the worlds premiere audio show, imo they need to look at what Munich and other successful shows are doing and emulate their formula. Hiring someone to market RMAF and giving them a large budget would be great even if it means higher fees for everyone attending and showing.
The market follows income distribution, so the bottom and top are doing ok but the mid-market, which should be the meat-and-bones of the industry, is not doing that well. Those who are considered middle class are downsizing and being much more careful with their money, which is smart because our economy and their economic prospects are not what they once were. It's sad, but until we fix the larger economic issues I don't see the mid market recovering anytime soon.
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LampizatOr will be making it's first appearance at RMAF this year in room 2024 in a room you will NOT want to miss.
We will be debuting our brand new balanced 211 amplifiers along with a balanced Golden Gate DAC which must be heard to be believed.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=128043)
In addition Vapor Audio will be providing their breath taking Perfect Storm speakers, while Resolution Acoustics provides truly cutting edge/class leading room treatments and Verastarr's universally praised cables will tie us all together.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=128042)
We look forward to seeing you there!
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Yup, too many shows... RMAF does not advertise enough to drum up attendance either, nobody who isn't into audio knows about RMAF.
I agree, I also agree with the feeling that Axpona seems to be moving into possibly the spot once held by RMAF. What was it? Two years ago the regional beer fest was going on the same weekend as RMAF. There was advertising plastered everywhere for that, but as usual not a thing to be found anywhere for the audio show. I get the feeling the audio society that runs RMAF either doesn't know how to or doesn't want to expose such a great show to a larger community. The former can be helped if they want it - the latter can't, and if the case will likely be behind further shrinking of (again) a great show.
Maybe it's like the Earth's rotation on its axis - true North moves as time goes on. Maybe Axpona's turn is coming up.
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Maybe Axpona's turn is coming up.
Agree. Ebb and flow of things. If you live in CA then why travel outside CA for CO then you already have several CA shows. Chicago is home to millions and easy in and out.
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As mentioned previously, there exist too many shows and so exhibitors are forced to pick and choose which show(s) would give them the most exposure.
I believe RMAF is still the largest show in America with THE Show Newport as second.
The problem with RMAF is its size, too big and too many rooms so, unless you are well known, room traffic was not that great. To add to this, Sunday was mostly a ghost house when the weather is nice and/or there's a game in town.
We'd been with RMAF for the past 5 or 6 years but we had to pass this time around.
Not too sure about Axpona at all though.
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I could be done w rmaf as well. I prefer orange co to the middle of no where Denver. Wish the show would move the June Gloom dates however!
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I could be done w rmaf as well. I prefer orange co to the middle of no where Denver. Wish the show would move the June Gloom dates however!
jab, What do you mean by "June Gloom"? I wish the Newport show was in the Jan-April time frame. I would guess the end of May date is designed to avoid proximity to other show dates.
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jab, What do you mean by "June Gloom"?
June Gloom is refers to the overcast skies during June in southern California. One of the worst times of the year to visit SoCal if you want sunny days on the beach.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/June_Gloom (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/June_Gloom)
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Thanks mojave. When I go to the northern CA coasts they have June Gloom or rain 11 months out of the year. I can't remember the last sunny day I spent at a beach.
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Last call for a Marriott room at the Show rate of $109 (double). I am calling in to officially cancel today.
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Last call for a Marriott room at the Show rate of $109 (double). I am calling in to officially cancel today.
contact MtnHam
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Now just 16 rooms available to demo gear. Down from 26.
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Now just 16 rooms available to demo gear. Down from 26.
That's very good to hear.
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contact MtnHam
Thanks to Rim, I now have a room and will be there!
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Thanks to Rim, I now have a room and will be there!
Excellent. I'm the tall, ruggedly handsome guy with the trophy wife. :thumb:
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Excellent. I'm the tall, ruggedly handsome guy with the trophy wife. :thumb:
I'm the short, bald, old guy with a beard and the 20 y/o wife who stayed home. 8)
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Axpona has become my favorite show. I've done this show twice now and both times my room was full all weekend long. When you step outside the room the hallways are packed. Something I haven't seen at RMAF or Newport. It's a bummer since the Newport Show is only a 45 minute drive for me:(
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The market follows income distribution, so the bottom and top are doing ok but the mid-market, which should be the meat-and-bones of the industry, is not doing that well. Those who are considered middle class are downsizing and being much more careful with their money, which is smart because our economy and their economic prospects are not what they once were. It's sad, but until we fix the larger economic issues I don't see the mid market recovering anytime soon.
I recently read an article about Disney. They are now catering mainly to the rich because they say there are not enough middle class left to support them.
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HAYWARD, CA | September 24, 2015 – Magico, LLC is pleased to announce the North American debut of the new S7 loudspeaker and the new SSUB at the Rocky Mountain Audio Fest (RMAF) in Denver, CO.
We welcome you to join us on Friday, October 2nd (12pm – 7pm) and Saturday, October 3rd (9am – 6pm) in the Presidential Suite at the HYATT Regency Denver Tech Center on 7800 E. Tufts Ave. which is under 10-minutes walking distance from the Denver Marriott Tech Center.
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The internally powered SSUB stands vertically with dual 12-inch front firing Magico bass drivers. Easily placed in large or small rooms the SSUB provides herculean bass energy that keeps pace with the speed and integrity of the main loudspeakers.
A host of Magico staff members will be on hand to actively demonstrate the system, discuss technological points, answer questions and share excellent music.
Earn the chance to WIN a set of QPOD3 ($1,300.00 value) by registering your visit to our demo suite. Drawing takes place at days end on October 2nd and October 3rd.
For more information please contact Peter Mackay, V.P. Global Sales and Marketing at Magico LLC. Telephone: 1-510-649-9700, Ext 104 or visit us at www.magico.net
(http://tas.zeitpress.com/resizer/articles/images/S7_gray_srgb.jpg/?size=648,460)
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Join us in room 8002 at the Denver Tech Center where we will be debuting 3 new products. Endeavor Audio, ModWright Instruments, Skogrand Cables, and Triangle Arts Turntables.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=128654)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=128655)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=128656)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=128657)
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Here and checked in.
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Away from Joaquin. Good for you. Enjoy!
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Let's see....it's Thursday afternoon. Everybody should be running around with their heads cut off by now, frustrated with the Service elevators.
Hope everybody has a great time and looking forward to reports and photos soon.
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At the Marriott and hanging out with friends before the show! :thumb:
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I looks like Vapor just placed a set of Nimbus in room 1121!!!
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For those who attended, what was your perception about the attendance (more or less as compared to prior years) of vendors and attendees?
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For those who attended, what was your perception about the attendance (more or less as compared to prior years) of vendors and attendees?
Down quite bit.
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Down quite bit.
By the crowd pictures, most of the attendees were baby boomers. These audio shows maybe in serious trouble after we all retire or die off.
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By the crowd pictures, most of the attendees were baby boomers. These audio shows maybe in serious trouble after we all retire or die off.
Yup. And not just audio. Was talking to an antique dealer who noted that most all of their buyers have gray hair . . . he suggested that if you were holding onto an antique or collectible better to sell it sooner than later as the younger generation isn't interested in such things . . . of course, maybe he was just trying to get me to sell??
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By the crowd pictures, most of the attendees were baby boomers. These audio shows maybe in serious trouble after we all retire or die off.
I think the audiophile industry is in greater jeopardy than the shows. Who is going to buy all this equipment when we are 6 feet under?
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I think the audiophile industry is in greater jeopardy than the shows. Who is going to buy all this equipment when we are 6 feet under?
And since most of the manufacturers are in the same age bracket, they will fall by the wayside as they die off. The youth mainly buys head gear. One reason is that they do not own a home to make room for these large two-channel systems. They neither have the money.
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Attendance was down quite a bit. People in the towers and main areas were very old and obviously dying off. People in Canjam were young and much more excited. In fact, Jason and I would joke when we saw a young person in the towers "Oh, they must have gotten lost on their way to Canjam". The good news is that Canjam is HUGE and is literally spilling out of the big ballroom area they have traditionally occupied. So there is a ton of growth happening in that area. I'm sure none of these young guys will be interested in $20k speakers and amps, but would probably be VERY interested in the $279/speaker Elac F5 Towers that Andrew Jones just came out with. Or the JTR towers that blew away both Jason (Pez) and I.
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I agree that attendance was down. For those of us there, it was easier to get into the rooms we wanted to hear and stay as long as we wanted. This was my 11th RMAF and it seemed like there were more reviewers and audio media folks than in previous years.
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+1. Ironically my friend who was with me thought that there were more people between exhibitors, press, and support than actual attendees. In the last several years the attendance seems to have gotten smaller year after year. Still, everything has its waxing and waning. After 12 years maybe it's Axpona's turn.
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i wonder if all the new regional shows are causing the numbers of attendees to be down? I guess it could be a trend from shows in general also?
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Attendance was down quite a bit. People in the towers and main areas were very old and obviously dying off. People in Canjam were young and much more excited. In fact, Jason and I would joke when we saw a young person in the towers "Oh, they must have gotten lost on their way to Canjam". The good news is that Canjam is HUGE and is literally spilling out of the big ballroom area they have traditionally occupied. So there is a ton of growth happening in that area. I'm sure none of these young guys will be interested in $20k speakers and amps, but would probably be VERY interested in the $279/speaker Elac F5 Towers that Andrew Jones just came out with. Or the JTR towers that blew away both Jason (Pez) and I.
Our hobby is spiraling towards redundancy. That much is obvious. The absurd price inflation does not help.
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i wonder if all the new regional shows are causing the numbers of attendees to be down?
Could be. T.H.E. Show Newport reported 2015 attendance up by almost 20% vs. 2014. It's become so large I just don't miss RMAF.
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Our hobby is spiraling towards redundancy. That much is obvious. The absurd price inflation does not help.
Couldn't agree more...but, history shows how these people don't last in the long run.
V...
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Prices were definitely the reason for me to NOT attend this year, but it was the cost of getting and staying there that were the issues. I could find a good deal on a flight, but not on a nearby Hotel or Rental car for the duration.
Probably just going to hit T.H.E. Newport from now on. Just a few hours away by car and more than enough nearby hotels to keep the prices down.
I do enjoy RMAF though.
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This was my first time at this show and went with a buddy who is mostly in HT. It was fun listening to stupid expensive gear but in the end it seemed like manufacturers are way out of touch. The tower crowd skewed super old while canjam was where all the young people were. Speaker wise I think the only manufacturers to get it were Spatial, Elac, and weirdly enough Linkwitz. Elac's F5 sounded fantastic and the price was absolutely killer. The Linkwitz and Spatial rooms were super simple with only a computer, dac, speakers, and amp. The Linkwitz LXmini sound was scary good. Mr. Linkwitz even said that they splurged on the amps but are not needed in the slightest. They were running the LXmini off $2 radio shack speaker wire.
I ordered the Spatial M4 Turbo's at the show and the second I got back home I ordered the LXmini kit for my office. In the majority of the other rooms I couldn't even buy a cable for what I paid for 2 sets of speakers. I think I'll stick to Newport for next year since it's 1.5 hours away and the standalone CANJAM.
One thing RMAF did teach me though is that room and speaker correction is the way to go. For a living room setup treatments will only get so far with wives while a DSP will go a much longer way.