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Industry Circles => Odyssey Audio => Topic started by: Larkston Zinaspic on 23 Sep 2007, 10:38 pm
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Unfortunately, the only amp that went head-to-head with the Odyssey in my system was a B&K EX442 amp--which is a nice amp--but Klaus' Dual Mono came out ahead right across the board, especially in terms of dynamic power, bottom-end extension and transparency.
There are a lot of names dropped on AR.com's reviews, but I'm curious to know what comparisons have been made by the Odyssey owners here. Like a lot of us, my purchase was based on the reviews I read, but it would be interesting to know what amps out there are being replaced by an Odyssey product.
Oddly enough, Ed Frias tuned my speakers with an ATI amp, and I still haven't heard one of those. There are other SS amps I heard, but it would be difficult to make a comparison since they were in different systems.
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Unfortunately, the only amp that went head-to-head with the Odyssey in my system was a B&K EX442 amp--which is a nice amp--but Klaus' Dual Mono came out ahead right across the board, especially in terms of dynamic power, bottom-end extension and transparency.
There are a lot of names dropped on AR.com's reviews, but I'm curious to know what comparisons have been made by the Odyssey owners here. Like a lot of us, my purchase was based on the reviews I read, but it would be interesting to know what amps out there are being replaced by an Odyssey product.
Oddly enough, Ed Frias tuned my speakers with an ATI amp, and I still haven't heard one of those. There are other SS amps I heard, but it would be difficult to make a comparison since they were in different systems.
I use Odyssey SE's in my downstairs system. These replaced a SF tube amp, and that replaced a Nelson Pass setup (over priced Adcom stuff). The Mono SE's have a sound somewhat like an Accuphase. I've listened to Krells, Classe, Conrad Johnson (both solid and tubed). The Accuphase and the Mono SE's were a light year better.
gary
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classe, muse, arc (tubes), nad, pse, vtl, and krell. a couple of others I cannot recall at present. The mono extreme se's stand out above the rest.
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Bryston,14bsst
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Anthem (forgot the model but claimed to have 200w/channel), Aragon 8008, SF tube amp.
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after comparing the 14bsst to the mono extremes S.E. ,i sold 5 odyssey amps,the bryston was what i was looking for!!!
john
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PS Audio , Parasound , NAD
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after comparing the 14bsst to the mono extremes S.E. ,i sold 5 odyssey amps,the bryston was what i was looking for!!!
john
Bryston is OK if the Dry clinical sonics float your boat.I thought you sold your Odyssey amps because of a Medical emergency ? :nono:
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Nov 19,STRATFORD GENERAL,why dont you send me a card,in the meantime,the truth about audio,that is my opinion,had 5 amps,now i have one,it hasnt brokedown once,blew a fuse,sounded fuzzy,..its just satisfied my audio earg,a comparason was asked for and i gave my opinion,if all u want is a one sided one then i apologize,Odyssey are the best in the world !
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Nov 19,STRATFORD GENERAL,why dont you send me a card,in the meantime,the truth about audio,that is my opinion,had 5 amps,now i have one,it hasnt brokedown once,blew a fuse,sounded fuzzy,..its just satisfied my audio earg,a comparason was asked for and i gave my opinion,if all u want is a one sided one then i apologize,Odyssey are the best in the world !
No-one ever implied that you shouldn't offer your opinion, just questioned the details that accompanied the drama infused sale of your Odyssey gear. You made such a big deal about your "medical emergency" forcing you to sell your gear but that just doesn't seem to be the case. If you didn't like the way they sounded then just say so, sell them with that explanation, and move on. People in this hobby are constantly swapping gear and looking for the "perfect fix". Klaus will be the first one to tell you that system synergy and personal preference drive the experience. Are the Odyssey amps the best in the world? Probably not...but they are amazing pieces and until I personally hear something better FOR ME in MY SYSTEM they will stay right where they are...
You would probably have a better experience in this hobby and especially in the forums if you dropped the chip you seem to carry around on your shoulder and stopped being so melodramatic. You'll find that almost everyone here is courteous and willing to share their experiences -good and bad- and all that they ask is the same in return...
Just my $.02
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Not worth the discussion.
There is sooooo much here, ^&%^&%&^
Anyway, all I can say right now is that some people are using their amps in a high end environment, others more in a DJ configuration. It's all legit, and whatever floats one's boat is the right thing for them. No problem here. At least not with that preference.
Late,
Klaus
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Man,I just don't believe this. I'm on my third attempt to restrain my temper.
Mclsound,I took you at your WORD! You've got some nerve posting here!!!!!
You lie just to sell equipment,and then have the nerve to backstab KLAUS?!?!?!
That ain't the way we do it here in the States! :evil: :evil:
Why don't you stay away from anything connected to Klaus,you have neither the character,or the I.Q. to deserve or appreciate anything Odyssey.
Now go back under that rock you apparently crawled out from and stay there,please.
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Are you guy's kidding???
All in life is not audio. Sure, it's what we're into, but c'mon. There's more important stuff goin' on!
I've owned and moved on from Odyssey-it's good equip, IMO, but as with everything and anything-there is better. Finances,horses for courses,the whole spiel....
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Hey MarkC- If by "guys",you mean my last post,I'm more than happy to respond. I jumped in another post defending mclsound not knowing there was an important back story. You don't know the details either,so until you do,with all due respect,butt out.
This is not about equipment,this is about personal ethics(or lack there of),and character. Many of us have had to stand by very sick people close to us which is painfull. To have someone use this ploy to apparently sell used gear,and then go back and publicly backstab someone who went way out of their way to appease them,is just flat disgusting!
What,there's better gear than Odyssey? Really? I guess you're the only one who knows this. :?
It's about value and respect for the man. I wouldn't post thoughts here of higher priced,better performing gear out of respect. I would continue with emails,or P.M.s.
Now,you want to discuss this furthur,let's take it to P.M.s or email.
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I own some of Odyssey's Best gear,but i also own other Hi End gear too,for someone to Lie to the forum members about why they are selling thier gear in order to facilitate the sale of thier audio equipment is really screwed up! :nono: What goes around comes around! :wink:....WCW III
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I didn't respond before just from shock and awe. Yuz got some balls their in your tightie whities. From Odyssey to Bryston, the Hospital to easy living. Cash problems to cash flow. Seems you need some edumacation in finances and ethics oh and couth (otherwise you would have known you are now persona non-gratis to my eyes)
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Jeez,boy am I slow! :duh: :duh:
I finally figured it out!
mclsound is really Flo! :thumb: :green: :green:
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Hey MarkC- If by "guys",you mean my last post,I'm more than happy to respond. I jumped in another post defending mclsound not knowing there was an important back story. You don't know the details either,so until you do,with all due respect,butt out.
This is not about equipment,this is about personal ethics(or lack there of),and character. Many of us have had to stand by very sick people close to us which is painfull. To have someone use this ploy to apparently sell used gear,and then go back and publicly backstab someone who went way out of their way to appease them,is just flat disgusting!
What,there's better gear than Odyssey? Really? I guess you're the only one who knows this. :?
It's about value and respect for the man. I wouldn't post thoughts here of higher priced,better performing gear out of respect. I would continue with emails,or P.M.s.
Now,you want to discuss this furthur,let's take it to P.M.s or email.
You will not antagonize me into a "personal ethics" debate with you or anyone else. Either on public forum or through personal correspondence.
I feel that my words were far from disrespectfull to "the Man" or the company. Quite the opposite-I've delt with "the Man" on several occasions in the past and came away with a good feeling each time. I believe he loves what he does and truly wants to look after his customers.
I didn't just come on to your wife, so....
Let It Go.
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MarkC,
This really shouldn't be necessary,but since you called me out....
THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU!!!!!!!!!
repeat,
NOTHING!!!!!
in case you still don't get it,
this is about mclsound.
NOT YOU!!
Get it now?
BUZZ OFF,SHEESH. :duh: :duh: :duh: :duh:
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So, if it has to do with him, why don't you contact him Personally instead of on a public forum ???????????
Buzz off?
Please!
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Okay MarkC,
Let me try another approach. You seem like a decent guy standing up for what you see as right. What apparently you haven't done,is read the entire thread,or gone back to the amp sale thread which is part of this,or read many of mclsounds' post here on the entire Odyssey Board,which are another part of this.
In case you can't discern the bent of the previous multiple posts here,mclsound has lost all credibility due to the way he's (in several people's opinions) disrespected Klaus and the A.C. in general by his apparent sales tactics and posts here. No one cares at this point to communicate privately,as he decided to do his work publicly.
Why you continue to try to make something out of nothing that doesn't even remotely involve you is beyond me. Are just bored tonight and feel like picking an internet fight? You haven't made one reference to the overriding topic that started the backlash.
What's your damage?
You're the guy who was walking down the hallway and spotted a few people having an argument. Without hearing or being aware of any of the preceding points,you then decide to interject yourself,louder and louder,not once making the effort to find out what's really going on. Noise for noise sake,only.
Either do your research to find out what's really going on here,or go away. At least I was man enough to apologize to the two guys I called out in the sale thread,when I did the same thing you're doing here. :nono:
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I have read the entire post, but have not done the back search.
Your analogy of the hallway fight seems fitting, but your aggressive wordage does not.
I'm not a child for you to scold.
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What other Amps have you compared with your Odyssey? None Yet but should I stay in this hobby for a few years I am sure I will want to experiment with something else. I remember talking with Klaus several times back in March before I purchased the Mono SEs and Candela. He told me it would be very difficult, to impossible to find better or more musical amps, for the money, than what he could build for me. Klaus did not try to sell me his most expensive amps, I wanted them because knowing myself I would be soon sending back smaller amps to be upgraded. Also, Klaus never told me that his Odyssey amps are the best amps in the market as he referenced that distinction for the Symphonic Line which are much more expensive.
I think most of us that have purchased from Klaus are pretty satisfied with the performance of the products and are extremely happy with the service/support we know he will provide. He has certiainly done right by me! By the way if you review previous posts you will see that the person who earlier in this thread raved about Brystons orginally called his Mono SEs "Krell Killers" and a few posts later called them "Bryston Killers." Enough said!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
Ken
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Bigfish,
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What other Amps have you compared with your Odyssey? None Yet but should I stay in this hobby for a few years I am sure I will want to experiment with something else. I remember talking with Klaus several times back in March before I purchased the Mono SEs and Candela. He told me it would be very difficult, to impossible to find better or more musical amps, for the money, than what he could build for me. Klaus did not try to sell me his most expensive amps, I wanted them because knowing myself I would be soon sending back smaller amps to be upgraded. Also, Klaus never told me that his Odyssey amps are the best amps in the market as he referenced that distinction for the Symphonic Line which are much more expensive.
I think most of us that have purchased from Klaus are pretty satisfied with the performance of the products and are extremely happy with the service/support we know he will provide. He has certiainly done right by me! By the way if you review previous posts you will see that the person who earlier in this thread raved about Brystons orginally called his Mono SEs "Krell Killers" and a few posts later called them "Bryston Killers." Enough said!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
Ken
If you are refering to my post, I never said they were Bryston killers, but did say they'd flat smoke the biggest monos that Krell builds. I know this to be a fact as I and others have heard the difference. Now back to the Bryston amps; there's no question in my mind that the Mono SE's would also do a job on them as well. I've heard the PS Audios recently, and once again I felt it was a no contest.
Still I always look at them with an open ear, and the only thing I might consider an up grade to would be the biggest Conrad Johnsons or VTL's. And that's not gonna happen in my lifetime.
gary
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What other Amps have you compared with your Odyssey? None Yet but should I stay in this hobby for a few years I am sure I will want to experiment with something else. I remember talking with Klaus several times back in March before I purchased the Mono SEs and Candela. He told me it would be very difficult, to impossible to find better or more musical amps, for the money, than what he could build for me. Klaus did not try to sell me his most expensive amps, I wanted them because knowing myself I would be soon sending back smaller amps to be upgraded. Also, Klaus never told me that his Odyssey amps are the best amps in the market as he referenced that distinction for the Symphonic Line which are much more expensive.
I think most of us that have purchased from Klaus are pretty satisfied with the performance of the products and are extremely happy with the service/support we know he will provide. He has certiainly done right by me! By the way if you review previous posts you will see that the person who earlier in this thread raved about Brystons orginally called his Mono SEs "Krell Killers" and a few posts later called them "Bryston Killers." Enough said!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
Ken
If you are refering to my post, I never said they were Bryston killers, but did say they'd flat smoke the biggest monos that Krell builds. I know this to be a fact as I and others have heard the difference. Now back to the Bryston amps; there's no question in my mind that the Mono SE's would also do a job on them as well. I've heard the PS Audios recently, and once again I felt it was a no contest.
Still I always look at them with an open ear, and the only thing I might consider an up grade to would be the biggest Conrad Johnsons or VTL's. And that's not gonna happen in my lifetime.
gary
Gary:
My last comments were of posts made by MCLSound when he first obtained his Mono SEs a few months ago. I should have more precise. Sorry!
Ken
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Klaus is a good person,i sold 5 Odyssey amps,cannot afford the boarder and shipping costs for their breakdowns,but in USA no boader,in Canada there are no boarders with bryston,so i have ONE amp,i will be in Sratford General on Nov.19,i did not mean to cause this much heartach,i replyed to a subject ........
mr. wolf,leave Mark alone,you gotta problem call me,we can talk.
john
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Mclsound,
Mark and I can handle our affairs without your "help".
I don't know all the facts here,but in the very least,you handled this very clumsily.
At this point of time,I have no interest in talking to you. Maybe in the future,we'll see. If you truly are going into the Hospital,then good luck with that.
Kirby
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thank you sir.
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It's very hard to compare amps unless both are used within their comfort range. You would not get a true reading if you campaired a SET against a Krell using a (99-100db) horn system...or...one ohm Apogee Scintillas.
The Krell would win with the Apogees, and the SET amp with the horns...tells you nothing at all.
All amps have a comfort zone (power range where they sound best)...Keep them in it, and they sound a lot, a like...ie...good SS amps sound equally good....ditto tubes.
I've had Krells, I now have tubes...both were "VERY" good at what they did...and that is: What I needed
The preamp makes a bigger difference....all things being...amp equal (comfort zone)
Most of an amps sound (probably...80%) is power supply related.
Dave
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I got my Mono extremes back from Klaus about 3 weeks ago. He took them as far as he can. They are totally better amps to my ear. I've had nothing but tube amps for the past 12 years. After spending a lot of time with Odysseys' over the past 3 weeks I've decided to sell all my tube amps. I'm selling a pair of Jadis JA200s', Jadis JA30s', Jadis Defy7 mk4. Now you may or may not like the Jadis products but I have never heard an amp better than the 200s'. That's how good the up dated monos are.
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I started with an Outlaw Audio RR2150 Stereo receiver as the center of my stereo system. I then after talking to a good friend and reading these boards up called the Great One, Klaus and ordered a Stratos Extreme SE with quatro wiring upgrade. What I noticed first is that the difference isn't night and day. The Outlaw really is a well built receiver and is in my opinion the best stereo receiver on the market. The differences between the Stratos and the Outlaw include: fuller sound at low listening levels, more realistic sounding drums, and a reduction in the brightness from my Mirage M-3si's. I'm currently using the Outlaw as my preamp so it's sonic flare is still in the system and I will be going the candela route as soon as I move into a larger space.
In the end, the customer service from Klaus is amazing. I work in retail and it's nice to talk to someone(Klaus) who is incredibly personable, very funny, and extremely well-versed in everything that he does except maybe web design :thumb:. I love my Stratos and I can say that I am very happy about the purchase. Thanks again Klaus!!
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Anthem (forgot the model but claimed to have 200w/channel), Aragon 8008, SF tube amp.
I also can toss in an Anthem Amp 1. I heard little if any difference between it and the Sonic Frontiers amp except for the jingle of change in my pocket.
gary
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you know after reading the posts on this board I sorta had to laugh (at myself as well)! I'd forgotten several other amps that I've fortunate (or maybe unfortunate) to listen to. The latest was a pair of MAC mono blocs that a local guy owns. They sucked. I liked my old Anthem amp better than those things. Also there was the BAT deal (well what little there was of it). In about two hours we managed to cook one amp and their preamp was just plain boring. Then there's one of Klaus' neighbors (Springmill Road Klaus) that uses a Boulder amp and preamp in one of the most elaborate systems I've yet to ever see (a studio system that even has a 24 track mixing board in it). I liked it, but not for the cash difference (it does do vocals as well as anything I've ever heard with keyboards to die for).
Let me tell you some things about Klaus and "me." I kinda like the guy just for who he is. Strait up with no hype. I think he's the kinda guy that would do most anything for you if you were in a pinch (I stay that way most of the time). He's an analog guy (I read the color of his mind), and that's important to me. He understands the trials and tribulations of ill gotten experiments (here I am). He's a good advisor, and will steer you in the right direction if given the chance. He makes impressions on everybody that meets him. Klaus always knows my front door is open to him no matter what time of day (except when the leggy red head drops by). yet what most of us fail to know is that he's got a good backup cast as well. You can't beat Alex (we really speak the same language), and then there's Mike. Another guy we almost never hear about (cept he plays his music way way too loud for me). When we speak of Klaus, we really speak of the whole team.
gary
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I don't know Klaus all that well but from the phone conversations we've had I must agree with lazy days completely. I've met and got to know a lot of people in the audio world. Some are really stand up people and some were total shits. With Klauss' advise I will be getting a set of speakers, and possibly a Symphonic Line CDP. If I get the CDP then I'll have to get his preamp as right now my CDP and phono have volume control.
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I don't know Klaus all that well but from the phone conversations we've had I must agree with lazy days completely. I've met and got to know a lot of people in the audio world. Some are really stand up people and some were total shits. With Klauss' advise I will be getting a set of speakers, and possibly a Symphonic Line CDP. If I get the CDP then I'll have to get his preamp as right now my CDP and phono have volume control.
you know when you get the CD player, you will be obligated to keep us inquiring minds updated about it!
gary
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Gary,
We should meet some time, if you live near Indy it's only about 5 hours away. May be we could get Klaus to come along.
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you know when you get the CD player, you will be obligated to keep us inquiring minds updated about it!
gary
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The other thing I'd love to get is the Symphonic Line turn table. I don't know if it would be a whole lot better than my TNT but it sure looks cool. I guy can dream.
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Gary,
We should meet some time, if you live near Indy it's only about 5 hours away. May be we could get Klaus to come along.
where are you located at? I'm about two minutes west of I-65 on the exit 99 interchange.
gary
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Milwaukee, WI
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Milwaukee, WI
used to go up there a couple times a year for machine run offs (K&T), but for the last few years I had to head on up to Fon Du Lac (Bean Packers!!!<g>)
gary
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I have been the first Italian Odyssey customer
I trusted in Klaus in 2000/2001 and I bought the Tempest and Stratos Plus in gold color
Well .. those units are turned on since 2001 (march I remember) and since that month I only burned the little bulbs that light the Odyssey logo .. nothing else...
Never turned off even when I go on vacation .. spring-summer-autumn-winter .. who cares .. they are always turned on
Every time I'm thinking to buy a new preamp or more powerful amp those two start sounding better than before .. ekkk!!!
So I'm never able to change them!
I sold my loved Harbeth C7ESII and now they are working fabulously on my new Thiel 2.4
That's all Pholks! :lol:
My cent
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Arlequen (Brescia - Italy)
Can I come and visit in beautiful Italy. The exchange rate makes it hard. I've been 3 times and never had a bad meal.
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Can I come and visit in beautiful Italy...
Italy is a very beautiful country ... unfortunately crowded by Italians :lol:
(I'm Italian)