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Title: Sub $1K Recommended Systems
Post by: jarcher on 4 Nov 2012, 01:33 am
As many are aware, there is a sub USD$1K limit to systems on the Cheap & Cheerful (C&C) Circle (if you're not, please see the Welcome sticky).  I personally believe that a very acceptable system can be put together for this budget - and not "acceptable for USD$1K" - but acceptable for the vast majority of people.  Furthermore, to promote this passion and to serve as a resource for those new to this hobby, I suggest that we recommend complete systems within that sub $1K budget. Yes - it is possible to do something pleasing to many people for a lot less than $1K - from a used iPod to going to a free concert, for example. The idea & challenge is not what's the cheapest sound experience - but what is the BEST possible sound system for under USD$1K

The emphasis really is on 2 channel stereo systems - and within this budget restraint, probably the most realistic.  This does not mean multichannel systems are excluded, but just that the emphasis is on 2 channel stereo reproduction.

The following are the guidelines for the system recommendation:


1. New, used & DIY components allowed. Personally, even though I feel used & DIY is usually a better value, recommending all or mostly new components would be the more impressive challenge.

2. Price restrictions per the C&C Welcome post: i.e. up to $350 for any specific component. Exception can be made for "full featured integrated amp w/ DAC and / or phono section".  Any particular cabling should not be name brand unless cheap - I'm going to suggest less than $100 per cable or pair.

3. Please at least try to include price & where to buy or bought / available (even if ebay / craiglslist / etc)

To make things easier, shipping & sales tax do not have to be included in specific components or total system cost. Yes, those are not insubstantial costs incurred, but for the purposes here, it seems a needless detail.

4. "System" needs to be a COMPLETE system, comprised of the below categories.  I can appreciate that many will already have one or more of these components possibly already bought. All that means is the recommended system could be all that much cheaper for a prospective buyer.

(A) Source(s) : E.g. computer, DAC, cd player, turntable, etc.  If a computer, please add cost of media specific software, if there is such.  E.g. itunes is free, but Amarra is not.

(B) Amplifier (or amplified speaker)

(C) Speaker (or headphones)

(D) Cabling & Accessories / tweaks :
must include the minimum cables to have your system work.  Accessories & tweaks optional.

(E) Comments (optional) :
why are you proposing this system?  Please keep comments reasonably short : i.e. under 200 words. It's a budget system, not War & Peace!

5. General rules / recommendations :

Contributing multiple systems is ok.  No limits there, but please make each system a separate post. 

It's ok to reply to a recommended system with a +1 / thumbs up / etc  - "audience" appreciation is always useful.  But if you really like someone's system (or your own) and want to discuss at length, please start a new thread in the C&C forum.  Same goes if you DON'T like someone's suggested system, but better yet, if you think particular component(s) are bad / should be changed, please propose your own system instead in a new post. 

Most of all - have fun & know that your are doing something useful & helpful for newcomers!

Edit : would appreciate it if systems could include on the source side some kind of player / streamer, even if just an ipod + doc or used computer, etc.  I know most will own some kind of computer, but there will be cases of people starting from zero, or trying to get a system started for family members / friends / etc, who may be starting from nothing.
Title: Re: Sub $1K Recommended Systems
Post by: jarcher on 4 Nov 2012, 01:35 am
Here is an "example" system:

(A) Source(s) :

Used Squeezebox Touch (now discontinued) : $200 per old AC trading post ad.
500 GB USB external hard drive : $70 on New Egg, etc

(B) Amplifier (or amplified speaker) :

Vintage Pioneer SA-7800 : $270 : offered price by used vintage audio dealer.  Can get on Ebay for up to $100 less.

(C) Speaker (or headphones) :

Vandersteen 2CE : $350 actual Craigslist price paid. Vandersteen model 2 prices are all over the place depending on age / model.

(D) Cabling & Accessories / tweaks :

1M Wireworld Luna RCA : approx. $30 per local dealer
(2) Liberty Cable Z500 speaker cables for bi-wiring (now discontinued) : paid $50.  DIY bulk based speaker cable is also easily do-able at $50.

(E) Comments (optional) :
Total system price : USD$970.  Mixture of vintage / used for a good full-range R&R combo based on one of my actual systems.  Only slight "cheat" in that music collection would have to be ripped or transferred to USB hard drive, though SB Touch has USB port to read drive.  With careful buying up to $100 savings can be achieved & put towards an old record player (SA 7800 has phono section).
Title: Re: Sub $1K Recommended Systems
Post by: JohnR on 4 Nov 2012, 09:20 am
Here's what I'm listening to this instant in my study:

(A) Source(s) :

Airport Express $100
CAL Alpha DAC - no idea on price, let's say you could get one for $200

(B) Amplifier (or amplified speaker) :

Virtue ONE.2 - $300

(C) Speaker (or headphones) :

Jordan JX92s DIY speakers... I paid ~$220 originally for the drivers but say the modern equivalent is the mark Audio Alpair 7.3 @ $85 apiece, let's say $300 to make a pair of speakers

(D) Cabling & Accessories / tweaks :

You're kidding right, make your own cables, say $50 tops

That works out at $950, assuming the computer is "already owned". What would be more interesting would be a system that could be assembled from scratch with new components. For example:

(A) Source(s) :

iPod Touch - does this have to be counted? Anything prior to the current generation, let's say used for $200? Or an old iPhone.
Pure i-20 dock - $100

(B) Amplifier (or amplified speaker) :

I'd get a DIYHifi T2, + power supply from connex, let's say $200 to build this amp

(C) Speaker (or headphones) :

As above - Alpair 7.3 DIY for $300

(D) Cabling & Accessories / tweaks :

$50 DIY

That's $650 if you already have the iPod/iPhone, $850 if one has to be acquired. Spend the rest on absorbing material for the nearest walls. Not actuall heard/built this one yet, but it's sort of in progress.

Unintentionally, it looks like I've apportioned roughly 1/3 to source, amp, and speakers. Hm.
Title: Re: Sub $1K Recommended Systems
Post by: JLM on 4 Nov 2012, 12:40 pm
Event 20/20 BAS active 2-way monitors, $900 MSRP

NuForce uDAC2, $119 MSRP (homage paid to AC vendors)

OK, $19 over and one component is way over the guidelines, so shoot me.

The 20/20 BAS is a studio monitor, 14.75" x 10.25" x 11.75", rated 35 - 20,000 Hz and well reviewed by people who make our recordings (IMO enough said).  Comes with power cables.  Sorry you'll need RCA/XLR cables (these are professional monitors).

http://www.eventelectronics.com/2020BAS

The uDAC2 is a throwaway usb DAC, as all DACs are these days should be thought of as (with as fast as improvements keep coming).  It also provides headphone outputs and comes with usb cable (no extra power needed).  They even sell an upgrade kit for $140 to go asynchronous.

http://www.nuforce.com/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=4:udac-2&Itemid=186/

This system is small and simple, yet will have more bass output than any new, good quality, non-DIY, sub $1,000 system I can imagine.
Title: Re: Sub $1K Recommended Systems
Post by: Letitroll98 on 5 Nov 2012, 03:42 am
This is a system I have running a HT setup presently, but I’ll only detail the 2 channel music part of it as the $2000 LCD flat screen would prolly bankrupt the C&C budget by itself.  At one time I had this setup as a two channel music system, differing only in an Oppo DVD player running an outboard DAC instead of the Sony directly into the receiver, and some cabling differences.

(A) Source:
Sony BDP-S360 Blueray - $89 retail

(B) Amplifier:
Pioneer VSX-D912 receiver - $110 used

(C) Speaker:
Polk RTi6 Speakers - $150 used
Sonus stands - $28 closeout
Infinity TSS-450 Subwoofer - $29 used

(D) Cabling & Accessories / tweaks :
Audioquest Indigo Speaker Cable - $200 retail
Kimber PBJ Interconnect - $30 used
Radio Shack Auvio Digital Cable - $18 retail
2x4 blocks as cable lifters  - free from my backyard

Total System Cost: $654.00 USD

(E) Comments:
The total system cost could be totaled somewhat less as the cabling was lying around unused, but these are the prices initially paid.

For music the system is beautifully engaging, sweet yet very detailed.  The high points are the Pioneer D912, the very unit picked by Dr Earl Geddes to show off his Gedlee speakers, a chip amp that also got the preamp section right for a great combination if mated to the correct speakers.  And the Polk speakers are a real gem, looked down upon by me and most other audiophiles, until I heard them.  Delightfully musical and very well balanced. 

The holes in the system are the Sony Blueray, a wonderful player for movies and soundtracks, somewhat less so as a CD player.  And the DAC in the Pioneer, which is a bit flat and uninvolving for music.  This could all be fixed by using a different DAC for music, which I did when it was a music system and would do now if I spent more time listening to it and not watching TV with it.
Title: Re: Sub $1K Recommended Systems
Post by: hoxuanduc on 5 Nov 2012, 04:21 am
(A) Source:
StealthAudioPlayer - free http://andy-audioplayer.blogspot.com/ (http://andy-audioplayer.blogspot.com/)
Hifimediy ES9023 DAC - $42 http://hifimediy.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=62&product_id=83 (http://hifimediy.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=62&product_id=83)

(B) Amplifier:

Parts Express TPA3110D2 amp - $9.98 http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?partnumber=320-329 (http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?partnumber=320-329)
Any laptop PS that fits the darn thing - free or < $10 on ebay

(C) Speaker:
Pioneer SP-BS21 - $69 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882117405 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882117405)

(D) Cabling & Accessories / tweaks :

Speaker & interconnect cable - Cat5e - free or really cheap

Total System Cost: $120.98 USD

(E) Comments:

Newegg usually have the speakers on sale @ $50 which bring the total system price to a bit over $100 plus shipping.  This system doesn't play loud or goes very low, suitable for a small room, but sounds very good... The weakness of the system is in the speaker resolution.  You can control the volume via Windows w the DAC (I believe it's an analog VC because you can change the volume even in Kernel streaming or Wasapi mode).  For tweak:

1) wash / brush the DAC PCB w alcohol, get a power injector & hook up w a 6v battery
2) get a battery for the amp
3) If you have to use an old-fashion VC, you can get one on ebay http://www.ebay.com/itm/190552098485?_trksid=p5197.c0.m619 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/190552098485?_trksid=p5197.c0.m619)

You can upgrade the system by going w a sensitive set of speakers or whatever strikes your fancy.  I'd recommend the Pi 2 Tower (95db/w/m - $200/pair kit  - you have to build the box which is around $100 of plywood & finish) or the Pioneer SP-C21 ($100 a pair on sale now @ Newegg)


Title: Re: Sub $1K Recommended Systems
Post by: jarcher on 5 Nov 2012, 09:57 pm
Great start guys! Interesting to see how people allocate limited funds to different categories, whether sources / amplification / or in one particular case, mostly speakers.  Keep 'em coming! Hoxuanduc would seem to get least expensive system honors - though remember folks - you do have up to $1K to work with!
Title: Re: Sub $1K Recommended Systems
Post by: jarcher on 9 Nov 2012, 04:43 am
Sorta surprised there haven't been more recommended systems so far.  Aside from being interesting, I think this is a useful resource for many.  If there's something about the idea or original post which is hampering participation, would be interested in comments.

Otherwise, I propose a competition for best Sub $1K Recommended System 2012.  That is not to preclude 2013+ honors....unless interest totally shrivels on the vine.

Some suggested basic rules:

1) Worldwide eligibility to post / enter
2) System must be posted by 11:59PM EST December 31 2012.
3) Propose as many systems as you like - no limit. 
4) Two or more components have to be changed from an already posted system to qualify as a different system
5) I - or if others join in the selection process - exclude their systems for consideration for the "prize". 

The winner will either be selected by me, me + other people, or perhaps a "short list" of candidates followed by a voting poll. To be determined. In any case, winner to be decided by 13 January 2013.

Prize is your choice of one of the following in your choice of size.  My gift & yes, will send it to you wherever you are.  You're welcome - and thanks django11 for the unintended prize idea!

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=70579)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=70580)
Title: Re: Sub $1K Recommended Systems
Post by: Letitroll98 on 10 Nov 2012, 05:13 am
We already had a thread on this topic so they've been merged.
Title: Re: Sub $1K Recommended Systems
Post by: geowak on 10 Nov 2012, 01:36 pm
How will you know what the best possible sound is for $1K? Unless these systems are acquired and ACTUALLY heard?!? Otherwise it's just folly or happenstance that one or another would sound the best?

What am I missing here? Would one by voting on the best he/she has that costs 1K$ I am confused.
Title: Re: Sub $1K Recommended Systems
Post by: jarcher on 10 Nov 2012, 04:20 pm
I apologize if the "competition" part is confusing : it was perhaps my lame attempt to motivate participation & entertain.  Opening up voting to AC members on a short list of system candidates is one potential way to choose a "winner" for 2012.

As for the first part of your concern - I don't think you can ever know 100% what's the very best system for under $1K.  The idea is to propose systems within those monetary constraints that represent good value for the sound quality.  I.e. as an alternative to the person looking for a sub $1K option to say a Bose lifestyle system or the usual big box retailer choices.  I think the temptation too often is to say to someone : figure out for yourself what works best.  As true as that may be, in my opinion many if not most people starting out probably don't have the time or inclination to take that approach. Worse yet, it may demotivate them from getting into this hobby & derive greater enjoyment from it.

Most of the systems proposed so far are based on ones that have either been listened to or owned.  Some Hi Fi magazines, such as What Hi Fi, also have recommended systems at different budgets that presumably they have also listened to.  That was one of my inspirations for suggesting a similar thing here on the C&C circle.

Alternatively, I can imagine people proposing systems based on components they've heard that that they feel would be complementary and within the guidelines of the C&C circle.  E.g. the approach JLM took recommending a system based on a powered monitor that presumably he's heard & that people he respects recommend highly.

Hope this helps to address your confusion & concerns.


Title: Re: Sub $1K Recommended Systems
Post by: geowak on 10 Nov 2012, 10:49 pm
Let me say that I think you will/may have some members that will offer paper systems, and beyond that I can only understand those members like Letitroll98 and JohnR who have actual systems they own, listen to and enjoy. For me, I have owned systems that I had not demoed first, and they did not add up to good stereo. In many cases, it was terrible sound.

First and foremost, one must like what he/she "hears".
Title: Re: Sub $1K Recommended Systems
Post by: jarcher on 14 Nov 2012, 03:59 am
I'm thinking that at a sub $1K mark you're making enough compromises that folks can be forgiven for offering a "paper system" based on either well reviewed or personally reviewed components that seem like they would work together.  Obviously owned / used systems are preferable..........
Title: Re: Sub $1K Recommended Systems
Post by: jarcher on 14 Nov 2012, 04:13 am
Here's another recommended system that based on components I own or have owned:

(A) Source(s) :

Used 120GB Ipod Classic : $100 on ebay
Pure I-20 Dock / DAC : $100

(B) Amplifier (or amplified speaker) :

Acurus DIA 100 Integrated Amp : $275 actual price I sold for, which is about market average, maybe a bit lower.

(C) Speaker (or headphones) :

Magnepan MMG : $300 actual price paid.  Market average maybe more around $350 depending on age.

(D) Cabling & Accessories / tweaks :


1M Wireworld Luna RCA : approx. $30 per local dealer
2M Wireworld Luna Speaker Cable : approx $100 per local dealer

WW cabling higher up the series (e.g. Oasis) can often be had used at similar prices.

(E) Comments (optional) :
Total system price : USD$905 - 950. 

Overall I think this system can really produce a taste of the high end.

Weakness here is the source side : the Pure I20 dock / dac has an ok 24/192 Cirrus Logic 4353 DAC. It definitely pulls above it's $100 price, and will be a step up from the ipod's internal dac, but even a marginal future higher spend on another DAC will likely pay big dividends.

Acurus amps were often mated w/ Magnepan & have the power to handle them well.  The DIA 100 does 150 real WPC into 4ohms.  Nice robust built quality and "purist" design (passive preamp w/ high gain amp).  Some have said they sound more on the "dark" side, but this may better favor folks who think that maggies can sound too bright.

The MMG's need no introduction : perhaps THE entry level speaker extraordinaire, though a next possible "upgrade" to the system would be a good second hand subwoofer for the sub 50HZ frequencies.   
Title: Re: Sub $1K Recommended Systems
Post by: Rclark on 14 Nov 2012, 04:19 am
Not to derail this.. but I think even $1000 seems like an astonomical sum for those just starting out. I didn't plan on spending more than that two years ago. There should also be posts for sub $300 complete systems, true entry level. Even $300 for a couple speakers and an amp is a huge amount of money for someone just starting out.
Title: Re: Sub $1K Recommended Systems
Post by: JohnR on 14 Nov 2012, 05:54 am
There should also be posts for sub $300 complete systems, true entry level.

See post by hoxanduc...
Title: Re: Sub $1K Recommended Systems
Post by: jarcher on 14 Nov 2012, 07:03 am
Yes - the hoxanduc system comes in comfortably below $300.

It is the SUB $1K recommended system topic. I suggested $1K as the ceiling because that is the MAX system cost per the guidelines for the C&C circle.  Nonetheless, all sub $1K systems, no matter how low, are heartily welcomed! 

At some point it might be useful to have a separate topic for sub $500 systems, but it seems things are a bit slow to ramp up this one at the easier sub $1K level.  I hope things rally or else the wolves & the unicorns are not going to find a home..... :bawl:
Title: Re: Sub $1K Recommended Systems
Post by: Guy 13 on 14 Nov 2012, 09:53 am
Not to derail this.. but I think even $1000 seems like an astonomical sum for those just starting out. I didn't plan on spending more than that two years ago. There should also be posts for sub $300 complete systems, true entry level. Even $300 for a couple speakers and an amp is a huge amount of money for someone just starting out.
Hi Rclark and all Audio Circle members.
I agree with you.
A student and a freshly married couple and a couple with kid and some one
that just bought a house,
all those are money tight, therefore I think 300 to 500 USD should be the maximum to be paid for an entry level sound system.
I presume that most of them already have a source, like Ipod or Ipad or lap top, etc... Then they only need an amplifier and a pair of bookshelves speakers.
Am I right ?

Guy 13
Title: Re: Sub $1K Recommended Systems
Post by: JohnR on 14 Nov 2012, 09:56 am
Guy, you obviously haven't priced out a wedding recently....

;)
Title: Re: Sub $1K Recommended Systems
Post by: Guy 13 on 14 Nov 2012, 10:02 am
Guy, you obviously haven't priced out a wedding recently....

;)
Hi JohnR and all Audio Circle members.
No, I have not.
What I know is that Italian weddings in Canada runs around 30,000 USD+
But, if you can afford a 30,000 USD + wedding, I am sure you can buy yourself a good hi end system.

Guy 13
Title: Re: Sub $1K Recommended Systems
Post by: JLM on 14 Nov 2012, 10:19 am
Jon,

My guess is that the unicorn is scaring away more input.   :green:


RClark,

Funny you should mention that $1,000 is too much for starting out.  Over on the starting block there's been a recent thread for an $8,000 starter system where I raised the same concern.  OTOH I suppose it depends on your station in life.  Spoiled pre-teen, struggling college kid, young family, empty nester, etc. could all have different starting points.  Anyway I keep coming back to small/simple systems as I see sub $1k systems going more to starting out/smaller situations (bedroom, dorm, cabin, office), so here's my next contribution:

Ascend Acoustics CBM-170SE speakers ($380 shipped)  The original was highly reviewed/recommended.  I've owned these small 2-way standmounts for years and they are very musical, image like magic, and offer extreme content value.  Some days these make I wonder why I've dropped over $3k on speakers in my main rig (and they've been compared to $6k speakers).  Not much to look at, but that'd be perfect in dorms where nice stuff is often stolen.

NuForce DDA-100 DAC/integrated amp ($550)  Another plug for an AC manufacturer.  Signal stays digital (hi-res) as long as possible, small size, minimalistic/sexy looks (in aluminum), 4 digital inputs, 50 wpc continuous/250 wpc peaks.  Reviews just starting to appear (see 6moons.com tease).

Go to monoprice.com for really cheap toslink/USB and speaker cabling ($70 to stay within budget).
Title: Re: Sub $1K Recommended Systems
Post by: rockadanny on 14 Nov 2012, 03:06 pm
For a desk or small room ...

NA-208C CD Player ($399)
http://www.napaacoustic.com/Electronics.html (http://www.napaacoustic.com/Electronics.html)

NA-208A Hybrid Vacuum Tube Integrated Amplifier ($399)
http://www.napaacoustic.com/Electronics.html (http://www.napaacoustic.com/Electronics.html)
 
NA-208S Compact Monitor Speakers ($199)
http://www.napaacoustic.com/Speakers.html (http://www.napaacoustic.com/Speakers.html)

Or a used pair of high efficiency, easy to drive speakers as alternative as the NA-208S are rated down to 55Hz.

I had the amp and speakers in my home - real nice sound. Depending on volume and type of music, low end was acceptable.
Title: Re: Sub $1K Recommended Systems
Post by: Guy 13 on 14 Nov 2012, 03:53 pm
Hi all Audio Circle members.
How about a system with all " Made in USA " components
for under 1,000 USD ?

Guy 13
Title: Re: Sub $1K Recommended Systems
Post by: JohnR on 14 Nov 2012, 03:58 pm
NO, let's not do that...
Title: Re: Sub $1K Recommended Systems
Post by: Guy 13 on 14 Nov 2012, 04:11 pm
NO, let's not do that...

Hi JohnR and all Audio Circle members.

WHY ?

Guy 13
Title: Re: Sub $1K Recommended Systems
Post by: cujobob on 14 Nov 2012, 04:14 pm
I find that you guys appear to be putting too little of your budget into speakers. Also, used prices vary and availability does, as well.

I have three immediate ideas with that in mind:

Used, I'd pick up a pair of Maggie 1.6 for $800-Ish and find a high powered cheap receiver used or whatever else that could power them.

Used, I'd get whatever GR-Research speakers I could find. They all provide great value and I've seen some fabulous deals on the used market. AV3 for $500 or less? Yes, please. The N2X or N3 are even better, but all are easy to drive and sound fabulous.

New, the Chase Home Theater SHO-10 were around $700 last I checked. They sound great, can reach any level one desires, are efficient, and have some attention paid to directivity. You can pair them with pretty much anything given their efficiency. Used receiver, new receiver, plenty of options.

I think while some other systems mentioned pay more attention to the electronics side, the speakers are way too limiting.
Title: Re: Sub $1K Recommended Systems
Post by: srb on 14 Nov 2012, 04:28 pm
WHY [not have a topic with all "Made in USA" components] ?

If you live in the US or Canada why would you want to exclude all of the great products from your North American neighbor?
 
Each person, if so inclined, might prefer to have components originating from their own country.  All other things being equal (quality, price, availability, etc.), I would guess John R might prefer to buy Australian made components if it were possible.  Someone from England might prefer UK components as their first choice.
 
There is a lot of fine goods made all over the world, and each person may or may not have a preference to buy their own country's products from a socio-economic view.  Lastly, it always gets into a complicated analysis of of the fine line and grey areas of "Designed in ...", "Assembled in ...", "Manufactured in ...".
 
Steve
Title: Re: Sub $1K Recommended Systems
Post by: brooklyn on 14 Nov 2012, 06:37 pm
While I personally do have a bias towards American made products, I own a Prima Luna preamp and a Graham Slee phono preamp.
That said, I don't see how you could put a $1000.00 system together if the system was all US made unless it was used.

I also think that $1000.00 in the grand scheme of things is a lot of money but if your reading an audio forum such as A/C, $1000.00
for a decent system to start these days is down right cheep. 
Title: Re: Sub $1K Recommended Systems
Post by: jarcher on 14 Nov 2012, 07:54 pm
For a desk or small room ...

NA-208C CD Player ($399)
http://www.napaacoustic.com/Electronics.html (http://www.napaacoustic.com/Electronics.html)

NA-208A Hybrid Vacuum Tube Integrated Amplifier ($399)
http://www.napaacoustic.com/Electronics.html (http://www.napaacoustic.com/Electronics.html)
 
NA-208S Compact Monitor Speakers ($199)
http://www.napaacoustic.com/Speakers.html (http://www.napaacoustic.com/Speakers.html)

Or a used pair of high efficiency, easy to drive speakers as alternative as the NA-208S are rated down to 55Hz.

I had the amp and speakers in my home - real nice sound. Depending on volume and type of music, low end was acceptable.

It's precisely learning about companies / options such as this that makes this topic valuable in my opinion.

A personal anecdote : in late high school I saved up money from my after school / weekend job to buy hi-fi gear, and after not too long, assembled a system in the $750 - $1,000K range (in more valuable late 80's money).  In retrospect it was middling to lower quality at best : a technics integrated amp & cd player, teac tape player, and some KLH speakers from Price Club subsequently modded.  I would have been very happy to have good advice on how to better spend that money to get a system that would have given me better value for the money.  Perhaps it would have been a system I would have continued to keep & own today.  As it was, I quickly ended up selling everything.  Today I only have the teac tape player.

Keep the great system ideas coming folks!
Title: Re: Sub $1K Recommended Systems
Post by: jarcher on 13 Jan 2013, 10:47 pm
Sorta surprised there haven't been more recommended systems so far.  Aside from being interesting, I think this is a useful resource for many.  If there's something about the idea or original post which is hampering participation, would be interested in comments.

Otherwise, I propose a competition for best Sub $1K Recommended System 2012.  That is not to preclude 2013+ honors....unless interest totally shrivels on the vine.

Some suggested basic rules:

1) Worldwide eligibility to post / enter
2) System must be posted by 11:59PM EST December 31 2012.
3) Propose as many systems as you like - no limit. 
4) Two or more components have to be changed from an already posted system to qualify as a different system
5) I - or if others join in the selection process - exclude their systems for consideration for the "prize". 

The winner will either be selected by me, me + other people, or perhaps a "short list" of candidates followed by a voting poll. To be determined. In any case, winner to be decided by 13 January 2013.

Prize is your choice of one of the following in your choice of size.  My gift & yes, will send it to you wherever you are.  You're welcome - and thanks django11 for the unintended prize idea!

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=70579)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=70580)

Well, its 13 Feb 2013 already & it seems like the unicorn got bored & left long ago, and the wolves took the party elsewhere. 

With only 6 contributors, myself excluded, doesn't seem like there was either enough interest or perhaps other problems w/ the concept to merit proclaiming a "winner" in the suggested 2012 C&C Under $1K Recommended Systems. 

What contributions were made was interesting to me as it brought new companies to light & also opened debate about where money is better spent on components (e.g. speakers first vs spreading $ evenly across components, etc). 
Title: Re: Sub $1K Recommended Systems
Post by: Letitroll98 on 13 Jan 2013, 11:55 pm
What?  I didn't win??  This thing is rigged. 


Or maybe it wasn't rigged and that's the problem.


Anyway, I didn't get a shirt I wouldn't wear and is too small for me.  I'm heartbroken beyond consolation.  I'm gonna make a martini and forget this ever happened.  Which is a better outcome than getting the shirt.  See, I feel better already. 
Title: Re: Sub $1K Recommended Systems
Post by: jarcher on 14 Jan 2013, 12:44 am
What?  I didn't win??  This thing is rigged. 


Or maybe it wasn't rigged and that's the problem.


Anyway, I didn't get a shirt I wouldn't wear and is too small for me.  I'm heartbroken beyond consolation.  I'm gonna make a martini and forget this ever happened.  Which is a better outcome than getting the shirt.  See, I feel better already.

Keep it on the down-low: the unicorn is infamous for its predilection for raging all-night martini benders...

You do not want a drunk thousand pound animal with a four foot spike coming out of its head at your home after midnight - trust me.

The wolves are good guests, as long as you don't run out of chips & dip. That's when the howling begins.
Title: Re: Sub $1K Recommended Systems
Post by: wushuliu on 29 Jan 2013, 06:28 pm
Actually had no idea this thread was going since it's hanging out with a bunch of other stickied threads at the top.

My Recommendations:

Definitive Tech SM45 Speakers: Small but pack a HUGE wallop thanks to the passive radiator. The tightness and depth of bass is unreal. I was very impressed with them and so far reviewers agree. ($199/ea. Amazon)

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31S3FYHNJ0L._SS500_.jpg)


TPA3123 50W Amplifier ($70-90 ebay): Seems like while the uber budget amp crowd has been distracted by the TK2050/Sure/Virtue and ClassDAudio amps, Texas Instruments has been busy. The TBI Millenium is a TPA-based amp and so far every TPA chip I have heard stomps the Tripaths into the ground. There's a new beer-budget amp king in town.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/TPA3123-50Wx2-Audio-digital-Power-supply-amplifier-TA2024-TA2021-AC110V-AC240V-/110927623354?pt=US_Home_Audio_Amplifiers_Preamps&hash=item19d3cd34ba (http://www.ebay.com/itm/TPA3123-50Wx2-Audio-digital-Power-supply-amplifier-TA2024-TA2021-AC110V-AC240V-/110927623354?pt=US_Home_Audio_Amplifiers_Preamps&hash=item19d3cd34ba)

(http://i.ebayimg.com/t/TPA3123-50Wx2-Audio-digital-Power-supply-amplifier-TA2024-TA2021-AC110V-AC240V-/00/s/NTAwWDYwMA==/$(KGrHqZHJEEE+WkrILbOBQF0vMS04Q~~60_3.JPG)


Audio-GD Sabre ES9018 DAC ($300+sh): Audio-GD is steadily building an awesome rep. If they were part of a dealer network they would be huge by now - and I just LOVE to look a their pics. Where else can you get an ES9018 DAC/Pre for this price and so frickin' well-made? No where.

(http://www.audio-gd.com/Pro/Headphoneamp/NFB11.32/NFB11.324.JPG)

http://www.audio-gd.com/Pro/Headphoneamp/NFB11.32/NFB11.32EN.htm (http://www.audio-gd.com/Pro/Headphoneamp/NFB11.32/NFB11.32EN.htm)


Too many source options but just saw this at Amazon.
Source: Zotac Nano ($190/Amazon). Just saw this at Amazon. The Celeron 867 is fast and great for audio/htpc needs. Heck may even get once for myself. You'll need Windows and a HDD and memory, but thought it was worth mentioning as this Zotac is much faster than their previous offerings.

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/413gvSdZmcL.jpg)

http://www.amazon.com/Zotac-Dual-Core-Celeron-Barebone-ZBOXNANO-ID61-U/dp/B008OHRFE0/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&qid=1359485188&sr=8-10&keywords=zotac+nano (http://www.amazon.com/Zotac-Dual-Core-Celeron-Barebone-ZBOXNANO-ID61-U/dp/B008OHRFE0/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&qid=1359485188&sr=8-10&keywords=zotac+nano)











Title: Re: Sub $1K Recommended Systems
Post by: wushuliu on 29 Jan 2013, 06:31 pm
ugh, hate when that happens. double post.
Title: Re: Sub $1K Recommended Systems
Post by: rif on 29 Jan 2013, 08:45 pm
This is more unconventional, but I'd be inclined to recommend a denon 1613 AVR ($300 used from electronics-exp, auth. dealer).

It has built in Ethernet so can stream Pandora, airplay, dlna or play files off a USB stick. DAC via optical or coax inputs. Audyssey to correct for speakers/room.

And very importantly for someone on a budget, can serve double duty as the receiver on their TV.

Spend the rest on speakers and cables. The speakers I know are over the $350 limit (blumenstein orcas $600). That leaves a healthy $100 for cables - I'd make my own or go Dayton audio or blue jeans.


Title: Re: Sub $1K Recommended Systems
Post by: Doublej on 29 Jan 2013, 09:11 pm
Has anyone mentioned the floorstanding version of the Tad Jones Pioneer loudspeakers? At $129/pair they would fit well into a sub $1k system. Unlike the highly reviewed and regarded bookshelf version, there seem to be no reviews of this one.

As mentioned, add in a $300 network ready receiver or integrated amplifier from Cambridge Audio or Marantz and your off and running for under $500. Add $100 for the subwoofer as desired. I haven't seen any reviews on that either.
Title: Re: Sub $1K Recommended Systems
Post by: wushuliu on 29 Jan 2013, 09:19 pm
Has anyone mentioned the floorstanding version of the Tad Jones Pioneer loudspeakers? At $129/pair they would fit well into a sub $1k system. Unlike the highly reviewed and regarded bookshelf version, there seem to be no reviews of this one.

As mentioned, add in a $300 network ready receiver and your off and running for under $500. Add $100 for the subwoofer as desired. I haven't seen any reviews on that either.

Are you sure that's 129/pr? I thought that was each? Either way for an ultra-budget <$500 total system there is no better option.
Title: Re: Sub $1K Recommended Systems
Post by: wisnon on 29 Jan 2013, 09:24 pm
Well StereoMojo just gave maximum mojo props to the Vanatoo speakers, which are down to 50hz monitors with built in amps and Dac for $499!!!!!
I hear that the bass is so good that SW is not really required.

Use and iPod/phone/pad and you are good ta go!
Title: Re: Sub $1K Recommended Systems
Post by: Doublej on 30 Jan 2013, 01:36 am
Are you sure that's 129/pr? I thought that was each? Either way for an ultra-budget <$500 total system there is no better option.

You are correct. They are $129 each.
Title: Re: Sub $1K Recommended Systems
Post by: fredgarvin on 30 Jan 2013, 05:58 pm
I've been using the Dayton dta100-A with the Pioneer BS21's in my office. $180.  :thumb:
Title: Re: Sub $1K Recommended Systems
Post by: oracle309 on 15 Feb 2013, 07:49 pm
Here's my example of a sub $1K system. Dumb stupid, and easily attainable if patient. Quoted prices are what I actually paid. If free, a value that I have attributed to a piece:
That's for a total of $425. Except for the cabling, everything is in-house. This is not a "virtual" system. With the remainder of the cash I could do something for streaming audio and/or perhaps add a sub or two. YMMV


Title: Re: Sub $1K Recommended Systems
Post by: mvwine on 15 Mar 2013, 08:19 pm
Ok here goes:

Onkyo CP7030 CD Player - I bought mine refurbished for $170 at Accessories4Less, but I have seen the for around that price new as well.
Dayton Audio DTA-100a Amplifier - $89 every day at Parts Express (right now on sale for $72.80) even has a volume control so no pre-amp needed.
Acoustic Research PS-2062 speakers bought new for $79 from Ubid, and upgraded the crossover capacitors - total cost maybe $110.

Speaker stands built from MDF and painted flat black, using bolts with cap nuts as spikes, as not to scratch the wood floor - $20 tops

Zu Disco Interconnects - $39.95 from Zu when they were selling some of their stuff on E-bay

Zu Julian Speaker Cables - $79.95 see above

$508.90 total and this is the system I have in my study right now. I didn't think this sound was possible this cheap. The little Dayton amp is a revelation.

Since the AR speakers have been long discontinued, I'm sure the Pioneers that are discussed at length on this board would be excellent also.
Title: Re: Sub $1K Recommended Systems
Post by: roncagg on 4 Apr 2013, 02:45 am

Amp: sonic impact ($30 new when I bought it)
Speakers: Klipsch KG4 ($225 used)
Source: Oppo 971 ($70 used? Not sure I've had it awhile) or iPod/iphone
RCA interconnect to y adapter (amp has single input jack)
Whatever speaker cables you have around
Tweaks: rebuild speaker crossovers, crites tweeters, ac adapter for amp

Nice and loud, punchy bass, surprising!
Title: Re: Sub $1K Recommended Systems
Post by: Letitroll98 on 10 Apr 2013, 03:21 pm
I've been waiting to brag about this one I recently slapped together.

I'm presently running an Oppo DV-971 as transport, an Audio GD 2.1 DAC using it as preamp as well, the power amp section of a NAD 3020B, Magneplanar MMG speakers, interconnects from Tuan (Sonny) and a Monster digital cable, speaker cables are White Lightning Moonshine from Wal-Mart, and there's a free Pioneer turntable sitting there that can be hooked into the NAD with a couple of cables switched.  Total, complete out of pocket cost $835.00, everything except cables and the Oppo purchased used. 

Not only does the SQ rival most of what I've heard anywhere within 4x the cost, but there's $165.00 wiggle room to improve any of the components.  Not the cheapest system listed here, but maybe the best sounding.  (Settle down guys, I said maybe)
Title: Re: Sub $1K Recommended Systems
Post by: 94cdnm3 on 22 May 2013, 05:31 am
Okay, I'll play since I am listening to the following system as I write this:

Any netbook/notebook/laptop with Windows 7 with a digital output either mini-toslink or HDMI which I am using. This would be free if you own a computer like this already.

Download Potplayer (free multimedia player) with Reclock (free) and Fidelizer (free). All of the programs in their default modes will play flac/wav files.

Any of the Panny "true" digital receiver models eg. SA-XR 10, 15, 25, 45, 50, 70, 55, 57, 700. These can be bought used for as little as $25.00. I connect mine with a budget Acoustic Research HDMI cable ($10 new) since I also use this setup for movies as well (bonus!).

For speakers I am using a pair of Paradigm Studio 40v4s which I paid $600 used for.

This is my secondary audio system which almost rivals my primary system which costs 5X more.  :thumb:
Title: Re: Sub $1K Recommended Systems
Post by: mix4fix on 12 Aug 2013, 03:20 pm
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=70579)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=70580)

What the hell do you wear on your day off?

 :scratch:
Title: Re: Sub $1K Recommended Systems
Post by: jarcher on 12 Aug 2013, 03:36 pm
The wolves and the unicorn have long left the building, but could be coaxed back under the right circumstances.
Title: Re: Sub $1K Recommended Systems
Post by: JLM on 8 Sep 2013, 11:23 am
For my current needs for a 2nd system:


Adam A3X - $600/pair (smaller 2-way active designs, highly resolving, superior soundstaging, big/warm/sweet sound, clear, powerful, tuneful, not harsh, low fatigue, professional quality build)

Apple Airport Express - $99 (wireless download albums/stream from my iMac)

Apple iTouch - $199 (to provide remote control, if like me you're one of the few people reading this that doesn't already have an iDevice)

Allowance for a pair of RCA interconnects - $100 (if somehow you don't have some laying around)


One of the real values of C&C systems IMO is having the option to upgrade for new or expanded uses down the road.  So later on the Adam A3X speakers could be used for more serious in room listening by adding a sub (Adam Sub7 or SVS SB12-NSD for ~$600) and a Schitt BiFrost DAC - $419 (with the uber analog option) or repurpose them for use at my iMac by just adding a Schitt BiFrost DAC - $419 (with the uber analog option), reuse the AE for remote printing, and have the iTouch available for other portable uses.
Title: Re: Sub $1K Recommended Systems
Post by: asliarun on 24 Sep 2013, 05:50 pm
I've been waiting to brag about this one I recently slapped together.

I'm presently running an Oppo DV-971 as transport, an Audio GD 2.1 DAC using it as preamp as well, the power amp section of a NAD 3020B, Magneplanar MMG speakers, interconnects from Tuan (Sonny) and a Monster digital cable, speaker cables are White Lightning Moonshine from Wal-Mart, and there's a free Pioneer turntable sitting there that can be hooked into the NAD with a couple of cables switched.  Total, complete out of pocket cost $835.00, everything except cables and the Oppo purchased used. 

Not only does the SQ rival most of what I've heard anywhere within 4x the cost, but there's $165.00 wiggle room to improve any of the components.  Not the cheapest system listed here, but maybe the best sounding.  (Settle down guys, I said maybe)

Wushuliu and Letitroll, thanks for introducing me to Audio GD! Never knew about the company, and I've been looking for a decent quality DAC + preamp for a while now (trying to replace my Emotiva USP1).

A few questions, if you don't mind.

- Letitroll, you mentioned you use Audio GD 2.1 DAC/preamp. Exactly which model is this? I'm unable to find it in the website (http://www.audio-gd.com/Products-EN.htm)

- Wushuliu - you mentioned the NFB-11.32, which is Sabre ES9018 based for $300. They also have NFB-15.32 which is Wolfson WM8741 based for $235. Would you (or Letitroll) be able to comment on the differences between the two DAC/PREs? They seem identical otherwise. (I know that the chip itself is only part of the story, but I also read that the ES9018 is more resolving but airy and possibly brighter, but the WM8741 is less detailed but more "musical" or warm, I guess). I'm mainly looking at CD quality music, not higher, but both seem to support higher formats.

- Does it work as a pre-amp i.e. will it support multiple (2-3) inputs, and is the volume control analog (won't reduce sound quality)? If in preamp mode, will we also get the benefit of the DAC?

In general, how would you describe the sound? I'm mainly trying to understand if it will allow easy listening for some period of time.

Thanks!
Arun
Title: Re: Sub $1K Recommended Systems
Post by: Letitroll98 on 25 Sep 2013, 01:55 am
- Letitroll, you mentioned you use Audio GD 2.1 DAC/preamp. Exactly which model is this? I'm unable to find it in the website (http://www.audio-gd.com/Products-EN.htm)


- Does it work as a pre-amp i.e. will it support multiple (2-3) inputs, and is the volume control analog (won't reduce sound quality)? If in preamp mode, will we also get the benefit of the DAC?

In general, how would you describe the sound? I'm mainly trying to understand if it will allow easy listening for some period of time.

Thanks!
Arun

Hi Aron.  The old 2.1 is now the much improved NFB-15.32 at about the same $235 USD.  For the cheaper price you get a less robust power supply and mostly SMD's vs some of the more expensive Audio GD products that use discrete resistors and caps as well as better regulated power supplies with toroidal transformers.  The volume control is a high quality ALPs unit run in an I/V conversion mode, a very sophisticated application for such a cheap product.  Additionally there are switchable digital filters that give 8 or 9 different "flavors".   There is only digital inputs on this unit, the Compass at $400-500 has a set of analog inputs.  The sound of my unit is better than anything I've heard in the price range, the improved version has 32 bit processing for both USB and coax inputs.  I don't think the features can be beat, I like the dual WM8741 Wolfson chips, but the ES9018 is also well regarded.   
Title: Re: Sub $1K Recommended Systems
Post by: asliarun on 25 Sep 2013, 03:57 am
Thanks! That was very helpful. I think I will buy the 15.32
It really looks well put together and the price is so good!
Title: Re: Sub $1K Recommended Systems
Post by: FredT300B on 5 Feb 2014, 02:36 pm
Has anyone mentioned the floorstanding version of the Tad Jones Pioneer loudspeakers? At $129/pair they would fit well into a sub $1k system. Unlike the highly reviewed and regarded bookshelf version, there seem to be no reviews of this one.

As mentioned, add in a $300 network ready receiver or integrated amplifier from Cambridge Audio or Marantz and your off and running for under $500. Add $100 for the subwoofer as desired. I haven't seen any reviews on that either.

I've been listening to both the standmounts and the floorstanders, and I prefer the standmounts. Several friends including audiophiles and musicians have heard them and agree. The floorstanders have a bit more bass extension, and I assume they have more real-world power handling capacity, but they sound dark in comparison to the standmounts. The floorstanders' measured treble response is about 1.5dB lower than the standmounts. My choice is the standmounts with or without the subwoofer. The subwoofer, with its crossover at the lowest frequency setting, smoothly extends the standmounts' in room response from a low of about 60hz down to about 35hz. The sound is very cohesive, and the only time you are aware a subwoofer is connected is when a very low pipe organ or electric bass note is playing. I would include the standmounts as a viable speaker option for any under-$500 system.

Title: Re: Sub $1K Recommended Systems
Post by: Ericus Rex on 5 Feb 2014, 05:31 pm
A friend of mine just got one of these:

http://www.audioadvisor.com/Marantz-M-CR610-Wireless-Network-CD-Receiver-w_AirPlay/productinfo/1MAMCR610/#.UvJ03eAbY20


...partnered with the Pioneer BS-22 + SW8MkII sub.  This is a killer sounding and very versatile rig!  If you buy sale/demo items you can get all three pieces for around $800.
Title: Re: Sub $1K Recommended Systems
Post by: JLM on 7 Feb 2014, 11:49 pm
Possibly the best/cheapest/easiest "system":  Audio Engine A2+ (are finally shipping)

$250/pair, self powered, built-in 16 bit/48 kHz DAC, RCA/USB/3.5mm inputs, subwoofer output, 3/4" silk dome tweeter with neodymium magnet, 2 3/4" Kevlar woven glass aramid composite with rubber surround woofer, F3 = 65 Hz, 6" x 4" x 5 1/4"

Positive audiophile review:  //www.theabsolutesound.com/articles/audioengine-a2-desktop-speakers-and-d3-dac/?utm_campaign=Newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_source=email-211
Title: Re: Sub $1K Recommended Systems
Post by: Letitroll98 on 8 Feb 2014, 12:46 pm
Swweeeeet!
Title: Re: Sub $1K Recommended Systems
Post by: marcinziemski on 23 May 2014, 08:12 am
Great idea and systems from so many knowledgeable experiences.
It's interesting nobody has suggested a SUPER SIMPLE system as follows:

Source:
Computer, Applie iphone, smartphone, ipad etc or your favourite digital music source. Even a TV can often take an exernal hardisk with various audio formats. I call this $0 as we all have access to these already.

Active speakers:
I propose Quad 12L actives. These can often be brought brand new for less than $1000 in various international locations, often quite a bit less. But there are a variety of good quality active speakers available out there for below $1000.

That's it!! The sound, as long as you are playing reasonable quality digital files (ie not MP3's!!), will be good. To augment playback quality further you could always add an external DAC of your own choosing (eg Cambridge audio). If you have CD's, just rip them to your computer.

Comments?
Title: Re: Sub $1K Recommended Systems
Post by: jarcher on 26 May 2014, 12:30 am
ACer JLM per his posts elsewhere and here in particular seems to be a strong advocate of powered speakers particularly in a C&C system. I'm personally a bit old fashioned in that regard preferring separate amplification. Maybe if there was a powered speaker with a tube in it? I've seen this samsung dock / speaker thing that had one. Didn't sound great, but better than a lot of alternatives.

In any system, including a C&C one, I don't think you should underestimate the importance of a decent source. Garbage in / out after all. Fortunately DACs have gotten so much better and cheaper that things are not that grim. I wouldn't want to use the internal DAC / crappy output stage of a smartphone or tablet though, even for a C&C system. Maybe as a player via a dock with a digital out to a DAC at a minimum. And at that point you'd be better off just using a computer you have at home or second hand as a media player for next to nothing cost-wise.
Title: Re: Sub $1K Recommended Systems
Post by: IanVan on 23 Jun 2014, 05:26 pm
Interesting thread. I am helping my son with this exact thing right now. How about a great sounding system, but optimized for a student's needs  - durable and loud:

Behringer B212XL speakers $320/pair
(See home audio use review here for B215XL - http://www.avsforum.com/forum/dbtreview.php?do=view_review&id=4756)

Grace Digital GDI-BTAR512 integrated amp and USB DAC $165. Has subwoofer out and most of the inputs needed.
(http://www.amazon.com/Grace-Digital-GDI-BTAR512-Integrated-Amplifier/dp/B00I9HC50O/)

SVS SB12-NSD subwoofer special $530
(http://www.svsound.com/specials/outlet-specials/sb12-nsd-outlet-c_2#.U6heffldUW8)

Source is either an IPod/iPhone over the auxilary input, or a smartphone/tablet streamed over Bluetooth.

So that is $1015 for what should be very good sound, full range and in a robust format. The B215XLs are so efficient (96 dB sensitivity) that the little amp should comfortably drive them to very high volume levels when required.


Cabling would bring the total cost to $1060:

Pair of 25ft speaker cables (speakon or 1/4" TRS) $35

Subwoofer cable $10
(http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00ESM3UM6/)

In a perfect world, the amp would also have a USB input for direct connection with a laptop. Also, another $180 for a miniDSP and microphone would allow one to add room EQ to the system, which should improve the sound in a meaningful way.

$900 for speakers, sub, cabling seems about right. Need to find a $100 amp with all the bells and whistles to keep the cost at the $1000 target.
Title: Re: Sub $1K Recommended Systems
Post by: Odal3 on 31 Jul 2014, 04:19 am
This system consists of a set of DIY panel speakers out of birch boards coupled with a 20W t-amp and a 10" sub.

(A) Source:
Samsung Galaxy cell phone - "free" with monthly carrier contract

(B) Amplifier:
Lepai 2020A+  - $27 new from PartsExpress

(C) Speaker:
2 DIY Panel speakers made of birch boards from Home Depot - $20 for both
using an array of 4 HiWave 25mm SoundPax Exciter on each panel: - $3.50 each x 8 = $28 (special buyout price at parts express)
Dayton Sub 1000 from partsExpress - $109

(D) Cabling & Accessories / tweaks :
HifiMediy Sabre DAC for android: $30
Speaker Cable and old rca cables from junk drawer in basement: $0

Total System Cost: $214.00 USD  (if not counting the smart phone)

(E) Comments:
The exciters were originally for a science project with my son, but after it was completed I was inspired by the panel speaker designs made by Podium Sound (which sales for € 9,600/pr) so I placed 4 of the exciters on the sweet spots on a birch board, and I got surprised how good it sounded. I connected a sub to get some more depth to the music and the cheap Dayton sub does it well. The Dayton sub is a great entry level sub with a high value for the price - it works very well for audio application since it is fairly musical for its price. You would need a more powerful one for HT. The panel speaker/sub combo sounds really really good for acoustic guitar, piano, strings, live recordings and similar kind of music. The sound is very clear and detailed, and nice and natural sounding mids from the panels + the "kick" from the sub. The only downside is that it doesn't play super loud, but it is more than enough for me.

The hifimediy android dac really makes the sound clearer with a stronger "punch" compared to the headphone out or bluetooth. It is highly recommended as a portable small DAC for android phones.

Of course you can get a much better system if you spend the money, but this set-up easily beats my other system for 2.1 audio listening, which consists of a pair of Klipsch RB3 reference monitors and a Klipsch 12" sub. I have also compared it to some more expensive systems, and this combination still holds it own.
Title: Re: Sub $1K Recommended Systems
Post by: JLM on 31 Jul 2014, 10:15 am
ACer JLM per his posts elsewhere and here in particular seems to be a strong advocate of powered speakers particularly in a C&C system. I'm personally a bit old fashioned in that regard preferring separate amplification. Maybe if there was a powered speaker with a tube in it? I've seen this samsung dock / speaker thing that had one. Didn't sound great, but better than a lot of alternatives.

In any system, including a C&C one, I don't think you should underestimate the importance of a decent source. Garbage in / out after all. Fortunately DACs have gotten so much better and cheaper that things are not that grim. I wouldn't want to use the internal DAC / crappy output stage of a smartphone or tablet though, even for a C&C system. Maybe as a player via a dock with a digital out to a DAC at a minimum. And at that point you'd be better off just using a computer you have at home or second hand as a media player for next to nothing cost-wise.

I own a PrimaLuna Dialogue Premium Integrated amp (2014 Stereophile class A) and solid state (older, was same MSRP, never Stereophile rated as far as I know).  Do prefer the tube option but can leave the solid state on 24/7, it still runs cheaper (being digital), and is perfectly fine for non-critical (far-field) listening.  But the differences aren't 1/10th as much as going active (not powered) versus passive speakers.  I suggested the A2+ based on size, price, and simplicity.  (Active has the crossover between source and amp(s) that allows for many design/sonic advantages vs. powered that is basically just a manufacturer selected amp in the speaker cabinet.)

The GIGO notion would seem to make sense at some level, but note that in a 2009 AES presentation McGill university showed that neither studio personnel nor musicians could reliably discern between MP3 and Redbook.  Next they proposed to compare Redbook to the higher resolution formats, but why?  Now I'm not saying all MP3 is alike or that all Redbook is alike, just trying to add perspective.
Title: Re: Sub $1K Recommended Systems
Post by: JLM on 31 Jul 2014, 10:27 am
Great idea and systems from so many knowledgeable experiences.
It's interesting nobody has suggested a SUPER SIMPLE system as follows:

Source:
Computer, Applie iphone, smartphone, ipad etc or your favourite digital music source. Even a TV can often take an exernal hardisk with various audio formats. I call this $0 as we all have access to these already.

Active speakers:
I propose Quad 12L actives. These can often be brought brand new for less than $1000 in various international locations, often quite a bit less. But there are a variety of good quality active speakers available out there for below $1000.

That's it!! The sound, as long as you are playing reasonable quality digital files (ie not MP3's!!), will be good. To augment playback quality further you could always add an external DAC of your own choosing (eg Cambridge audio). If you have CD's, just rip them to your computer.

Comments?

Welcome aboard! 

Note that Quad has a modern/updated version called the 9AS that inputs analog and digital sources (has it's own DAC) along with just about every feature you'd want in an active speaker so with your computer they essentially become your entire audio system.  $1300/pair, but information is scarce (and naturally these don't meet the C&C cost guidelines). 

As you may know, most active designs are used in studio work (work being the key word, where they seek a dry sound to find the nits).  So they don't function well at home where we want entertainment and emotional satisfaction.  But a few active solutions do exist that are designed for home use or bridge the gap between work horse and thoroughbred from companies that include Adam, ATC, AVi, Genelec, Paradigm, PMC, Quad, and Serene (but most don't come in under the C&C cost guidelines).
Title: Re: Sub $1K Recommended Systems
Post by: Guy 13 on 31 Jul 2014, 10:37 am
Welcome aboard! 

Note that Quad has a modern/updated version called the 9AS that inputs analog and digital sources (has it's own DAC) along with just about every feature you'd want in an active speaker so with your computer they essentially become your entire audio system.  $1300/pair, but information is scarce (and naturally these don't meet the C&C cost guidelines). 

As you may know, most active designs are used in studio work (work being the key word, where they seek a dry sound to find the nits).  So they don't function well at home where we want entertainment and emotional satisfaction.  But a few active solutions do exist that are designed for home use or bridge the gap between work horse and thoroughbred from companies that include Adam, ATC, AVi, Genelec, Paradigm, PMC, Quad, and Serene (but most don't come in under the C&C cost guidelines).

Hi JLM.
I've Googled : C&C cost guidelines,
but still cannot figure out the meaning of it.
Please help.

Guy 13
Title: Re: Sub $1K Recommended Systems
Post by: Doublej on 31 Jul 2014, 11:29 am
It's on the C&C circle sticky:

http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=71233.0

Here are general guidelines:

- headphone system = $200 max (head-amp and cans)
- PC only system      = $400 max (including speakers or cans)
- analog only system = $650 (phono or pre/integrated amp with phono build-in +
  turntable/arm/cartridge
- maximum stereo system price = $1000 (I'll accept 20% overhead given variations in 2nd hand   
  market and currency difference)
- no brand cables in this circle except DIY. We can make some exception for true basement bargains tho.
  Components with humor factor and gadgets are acceptable as well.

Individual components shouldn't exceed  $350 however in cases of full featured components like integrated amps with DAC, phonostage or headphone amp - its value can be as much as $650.
DIY and kits are more then welcome.
Title: Re: Sub $1K Recommended Systems
Post by: mix4fix on 11 Aug 2014, 09:00 pm
I've been waiting to brag about this one I recently slapped together.

I'm presently running an Oppo DV-971 as transport, an Audio GD 2.1 DAC using it as preamp as well, the power amp section of a NAD 3020B, Magneplanar MMG speakers, interconnects from Tuan (Sonny) and a Monster digital cable, speaker cables are White Lightning Moonshine from Wal-Mart, and there's a free Pioneer turntable sitting there that can be hooked into the NAD with a couple of cables switched.  Total, complete out of pocket cost $835.00, everything except cables and the Oppo purchased used. 

Not only does the SQ rival most of what I've heard anywhere within 4x the cost, but there's $165.00 wiggle room to improve any of the components.  Not the cheapest system listed here, but maybe the best sounding.  (Settle down guys, I said maybe)

Is there a link to the speaker cables or the interconnects??
Title: Re: Sub $1K Recommended Systems
Post by: dukecv on 15 Jan 2015, 08:29 pm
A small system that brings me great joy is:

1:Integrated- Marantz 1030 maybe $250 used (I got free)
2:Speakers- KEF C30's $50 used
3:DAC- Schiit Modi $70 used
4:Source- Iphone (do I really count this?)
5:Associated cabling for iPhone/dac - $40
6:Powered USB hub- $20

Total cost:$430
I stream music from several sources and it works fantastic for how I threw the system together for my garage.
Title: Re: Sub $1K Recommended Systems
Post by: JLM on 15 Jan 2015, 10:29 pm
It's on the C&C circle sticky:

http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=71233.0

Here are general guidelines:

- headphone system = $200 max (head-amp and cans)
- PC only system      = $400 max (including speakers or cans)
- analog only system = $650 (phono or pre/integrated amp with phono build-in +
  turntable/arm/cartridge
- maximum stereo system price = $1000 (I'll accept 20% overhead given variations in 2nd hand   
  market and currency difference)
- no brand cables in this circle except DIY. We can make some exception for true basement bargains tho.
  Components with humor factor and gadgets are acceptable as well.

Individual components shouldn't exceed  $350 however in cases of full featured components like integrated amps with DAC, phonostage or headphone amp - its value can be as much as $650.
DIY and kits are more then welcome.


IMO the PC only system price cap of $400 is too low, would limit the rest of the system something like a $100 DAC, $100 T-amp, and $200 speakers.  Recommend a $700 price cap to match individual component caps.
Title: Re: Sub $1K Recommended Systems
Post by: Letitroll98 on 16 Jan 2015, 03:51 am
The guidelines were set a few years ago before pc based systems became the norm, when a computer based system was a specialized system.  I would entertain treating the pc like any other source component, which it basically is these days.  Your suggestion is well founded, let's kick it around for a bit too see if we have any dissenters or additional suggestions, then we'll fashion a change barring objections.
Title: Re: Sub $1K Recommended Systems
Post by: Johnny2Bad on 8 May 2015, 06:41 pm
Digital System:

iPod (Classic 120/160) $180
TEAC DS-H01 $150
Musical Paradise MP-301 MK3 $400
Pioneer "Andrew Jones" SP-BS22-LR $130

Total Cost: $860

+ Cabling; Total System Cost $920

Notes:
We're using a couple of discontinued items in this system. The iPod Classic is an eBay item, although any reasonably recent 30-pin interface iPod or iPhone will work with the TEAC DAC. [iPod classic iPod nano (2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th generation) iPod touch (1st, 2nd, 3rd , and 4th generation) iPhone 4S, iPhone 4, iPhone 3GS, iPhone 3G iPad 2, iPad]

The DS-H01 was introduced at $300 but quickly discounted by TEAC to $150 (new), presumably because Apple discontinued the 30-pin connector iPhones about six months after introduction. 192kHz/24-bit Burr Brown PCM1796 chipset. You have to hunt a bit but I was able to find some for sale. I own two and can vouch for the Sound Quality, but you could substitute a Pure I-20 if necessary, not to mention one of the reasonably priced DACs and a suitable computer.

The Amp and Speakers both offer great SQ at affordable prices. Again, there are other good sounding speaker options available without breaking the $1K barrier.

Interconnect (1 required): $30-ish plus tools if required
Canare F-09 or F-10 $4 each, 4 required $16
Canare L4-ES or (preferred) Mogami W2534, as required, about $1 a foot
Solder ($20), Soldering Iron ($30), Wire Stripper or Olfa Knife ($10), a bit of skill or a bit of practice stripping and soldering

Loudspeaker Cable (2 required) $30 (varies, could be much less)
No specific recommendation, lots of DIY info available. Bare wire is the $$$ choice but bananas or spades won't break the bank

I'm familiar with all the components and cables recommended; this is a real-world budget system with true HiFi Sound Quality.
Title: Re: Sub $1K Recommended Systems
Post by: Johnny2Bad on 8 May 2015, 07:20 pm
Analog System:

Orbit U-Turn Turntable $294
Onkyo TX-8020 $180
Pioneer "Andrew Jones" SP-BS22-LR $130

Total $604

Cabling (as above post) $60 estimate; Total System Cost $664

For this system we are choosing the Orbit Builder, which allows you to spec a few options I feel are advisable. First is the Acrylic Platter upgrade (over MDF) and secondly is the Orbit Cue ... the basic table does not come with a cuing system and the Unipivot tonearm can be a little intimidating when manual cuing. For a cartridge we've chosen the least expensive option (no cartridge at all is not an option) with the Audio-Technica AT-91B. My reasoning here is you would want to, in the future or even immediately, upgrade to an Ortofon Red at $99, which in my opinion is a reasonable option considering what Orbit has on offer at a higher cost.

The Onkyo has a Phono input, adequate power, and sounds decent.

Again, there are other speaker options but the Pioneers are an excellent choice at a very reasonable cost.

For someone on a really tight budget, forgo the Acrylic Platter for a total table price of $219, and consider the TEAC AG-790A @ $150 (currently discontinued but still available from a few vendors). Personally I would still choose the Onkyo for the minimal savings, none the less choosing both would drop the Total System Price to $559 with DIY cabling.

The Canare/Mogami cable outlined in my previous post has suitable low capacitance for a Phono Cable.

The Musical Paradise amp (see previous post) and a phono preamp are also options that brings the Sound Quality up a disproportionate amount, but busts the guideline budget for an analog system [$650], although still reasonable at +$220 (amp) and +$100~200 (phono pre, lots of options at those prices); total system price $983-ish if you opt for the Boozehound Labs JFET Phono/RIAA Preamplifier kit @99, a battery power supply (12 AA cells), and a case dug up from around the house (eg a cigar box). Requires a bit of soldering but not difficult as kits go, and sounds great. Due to the low power requirements, alkaline batteries last a long time in a phono preamp.
Title: Re: Sub $1K Recommended Systems
Post by: charmerci on 9 May 2015, 10:29 pm
Analog System:

Orbit U-Turn Turntable $294
Onkyo TX-8020 $180
Pioneer "Andrew Jones" SP-BS22-LR $130

Total $604

Cabling (as above post) $60 estimate; Total System Cost $664


For a little more, you're much better off with Dennis Murphy's mods. 

http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=128301.0 (http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=128301.0)
Title: Re: Sub $1K Recommended Systems
Post by: Johnny2Bad on 13 May 2015, 06:55 am

For a little more, you're much better off with Dennis Murphy's mods. 

http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=128301.0 (http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=128301.0)

Maybe ... but with cables we're already $14 over the guideline of $650 for an all-analog system.

Good post, though, as an option or future upgrade.
Title: Re: Sub $1K Recommended Systems
Post by: Hoop on 5 Jun 2015, 04:01 am
Vintage Yamaha CA410 $300 cost with refurbishment
Used Von Schweikert VR-1s $500
Used Denon 3910 $175
(Ok, so cables put me over the top)
Title: Re: Sub $1K Recommended Systems
Post by: Letitroll98 on 6 Jun 2015, 12:35 pm
That's ok Hoop, we allow a little wiggle room.  Nice system, welcome aboard.
Title: Re: Sub $1K Recommended Systems
Post by: brooklyn on 6 Jun 2015, 02:09 pm
Quote
Vintage Yamaha CA410 $300 cost with refurbishment
Used Von Schweikert VR-1s $500
Used Denon 3910 $175

I owned a pair of those VR-1’s for a time, they were a
great sounding bookshelf speaker. I had them paired
with an REL Q201e Sub.
Title: Re: Sub $1K Recommended Systems
Post by: Vitrius on 15 Jun 2015, 05:01 pm
Here's the best system that I've been able to come up with which is reasonably accessible to everyone.

Source(s) ~ $100 
Windows 8 / Android phone or tablet (Samsung Note 4 in my case).
Running USB Audio Player Pro or JRiver

DAC ~ $300
JDSLabs O2/ODAC combo.
I am also very pleased with the Audioengine D3, which is MUCH more portable to match the source and $150 cheaper!

Speakers ~ $175
Affordable Accuracy Monitors (modified BS22)... These seem to have just come down from the website, not sure if still available, but the regular BS22 aren't bad.     

Amplifier ~ $150
Topping TP60 (used on EBAY)
I have tried MANY T-amps with these speakers and this one really makes a difference on the mid-bass

Subwoofer ~ $175
HSU research STF-1 (used on EBAY)

Cables ~ $100
Bog standard RCA cable, DIY speaker cable + USB OTG
Strongly recommend this OTG as it allows simultaneous charging and USB host.
http://www.lavalinkstore.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=14&products_id=76


Total = $1000
Title: Re: Sub $1K Recommended Systems
Post by: charmerci on 16 Jun 2015, 07:10 pm
Here's the best system that I've been able to come up with which is reasonably accessible to everyone.

DAC ~ $300
JDSLabs O2/ODAC combo.
I am also very pleased with the Audioengine D3, which is MUCH more portable to match the source and $150 cheaper!

Speakers ~ $175
Affordable Accuracy Monitors (modified BS22)... These seem to have just come down from the website, not sure if still available, but the regular BS22 aren't bad.     

Total = $1000


Dennis is no longer doing the AAM.


You could just get the ODAC without the amp and use the difference to get the new ELAC model 5.
Title: Re: Sub $1K Recommended Systems
Post by: Vitrius on 17 Jun 2015, 01:54 pm
In my case, I use this at my desk at work. I switch to headphones when it'll bother my office mates. Fortunately I'm usually asked to turn it up rather than down.

Those ELACs do look pretty sweet according to the spectra.
Title: X-Statik Kit
Post by: allenSF on 24 Sep 2015, 11:55 pm
I am considering buying a X-Statik Kit.  I live in Union City, CA, is there anyone nearby has built a speaker with this kit?
Title: Re: Sub $1K Recommended Systems
Post by: SlyFuu on 25 Sep 2015, 12:31 pm
You might want to x-post in the GR Research section. You'll have a better chance of finding someone who owns a pair there.
Title: Re: Sub $1K Recommended Systems
Post by: aevans on 27 Nov 2015, 04:29 pm
I'm working on a tool that might help some people just starting out. Its only for desktop audio systems currently, but I plan on adding in living room setups at a later date.

http://noaudiophile.com/System_Search/

Take a look and let me know what you think, or if there is more information that would help out when looking for a system.
Title: Re: Sub $1K Recommended Systems
Post by: TomRob62 on 18 Mar 2016, 02:29 am
This is what I am listening to and love it:
A small 2.1 speaker system consisting of:

Wharfedale 10.sr speakers - $99-$115
http://www.musicdirect.com/p-141209-wharfedale-diamond-10sr-black-surround-speaker-pr-demo.aspx

Polk Audio PSW10 10inch sub - purchased new for $80 and that's all one should pay for it, IMO
http://www.amazon.com/Polk-Audio-10-Inch-Powered-Subwoofer/dp/B0002KVQBA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1458266958&sr=8-1&keywords=polk+psw

SMSL Class D AMP 50wX2 - $80
http://www.amazon.com/SMSL-50Wx2-TDA7492-Amplifier-Adapter/dp/B00F0H8TOC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1458267460&sr=8-1&keywords=smsl+50wx2

Google Chromecast Audio - $35 (although me and a buddy bought 2 for $50)

Mini headphone to RCA audio cable from monoprice - $2.20 during one of their free shipping sales, otherwise shipping kills it.
http://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=5597

50 feet of 14 gauge speaker wire -$7
http://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=14917

Old Samsung Galaxy lite w/microsd card from metropcs - $25

VLC Media player  - Free

Total - $320.20

Title: Re: Sub $1K Recommended Systems
Post by: srb on 18 Mar 2016, 03:05 am
This is what I am listening to and love it:
Polk Audio PSW10 10inch sub
SMSL Class D AMP 50wX2

How are you successfully able to connect the sub?

According to your link, the SMSL amp is a BTL configuration without common speaker ground, and most subs like the Polk have a common ground on their speaker level inputs. (?)

Steve
Title: Re: Sub $1K Recommended Systems
Post by: TomRob62 on 19 Mar 2016, 11:54 am
How are you successfully able to connect the sub?

According to your link, the SMSL amp is a BTL configuration without common speaker ground, and most subs like the Polk have a common ground on their speaker level inputs. (?)

Steve

Aww crap, you mean i was supposed to RTFM?   I didn't even know what BTL stood for until I looked it up.  Should I be concerned?  I simply connected everything the way I thought it should go, using the Xover on the sub and the output is incredible.  There's no hum, no distortion, really nothing negative I can say at all except maybe I find the wharfedales a little warm and not as dynamic as some but I felt the same when I listened to Wharfedale diamond 10.1s in a 2.0 system. 
Title: Re: Sub $1K Recommended Systems
Post by: charmerci on 19 Mar 2016, 08:22 pm
I've had the PSW-10 sub before but for a few more dollars, one is much better off with the Dayton SUB-1200 (http://www.parts-express.com/dayton-audio-sub-1200-12-120-watt-powered-subwoofer--300-629) - it goes on sale regularly.
Title: Re: Sub $1K Recommended Systems
Post by: newzooreview on 19 Dec 2016, 05:50 pm
Hi. Does anyone have recommendations on a best Click-to-buy $1,000 system? No used stuff, no do it yourself components. $800-1000. Things that don't need weeks of special order strongly preferred.

During the holidays I often get asked to recommend systems, and I'm wondering about people's thoughts on good options that also keep things cheerful for people who don't like to fiddle and tweak.

Title: Re: Sub $1K Recommended Systems
Post by: jarcher on 19 Dec 2016, 06:24 pm
I hate to recommend it since it's just available from one of our main competitors, but I would suggest the following from Music Direct :

Marantz PM6005 : $500
Wharfedale 10.1 Diamond : $300

This will be a very musical combo and should satisfy most. It's got the simple controls including tone controls many people want. It also has a built-in phono stage and dac.

 If people want a source other than connecting directly to a computer, I would recommend :

1) Sonos Connect ($350)
2) NAD 516 CD player ($300)
3) Project Debut Essential II ($300)

With the source and before cabling and tax that puts you just over $1k.

The Marantz & Wharfedale are essentially closeouts so supplies might not last.

Another alternative is the Micromega MySystem @ $999 : literally a one-box / click & buy system which even includes the cabling. The Marantz / Wharfedale system is going to sound better, but the micromega  System is a great choice for people who have very small spaces: like offices, bedrooms, and dorm rooms. It is specifically made  to be a book shelf system. The speakers are designed to be placed on shelves or bookcases unlike 99% of most "bookshelf" speakers.




Title: Re: Sub $1K Recommended Systems
Post by: srb on 19 Dec 2016, 08:20 pm
I would recommend the Quad 9AS Active Speakers

https://www.musicdirect.com/speakers/quad-9as-active-desktop-speakers

http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=147352.msg1576096#msg1576096

Clickable, but it's a time-sensitive sale @ $499

Then add one of the aforementioned sources.

There would even be enough budget left to add a subwoofer if desired, the Elac Debut S10 @ $180 (also on sale).
https://www.musicdirect.com/speakers/elac-debut-s10-subwoofer

Steve
Title: Re: Sub $1K Recommended Systems
Post by: newzooreview on 19 Dec 2016, 10:32 pm
Thank you.  :thumb:

I hope someone else finds these helpful.

I had a pair of little Wharfedale Diamonds years ago, and wow they were fun little gems.
Title: Re: Sub $1K Recommended Systems
Post by: Graywulf on 24 Dec 2016, 04:27 am
Just recently assembled this as a 2nd system 2ch {bedroom} ... Not expensive, less than $550USD inc interconnects, but was pleasantly surprised by how it sounded.

amp. YJ TPA3116 complete unit  USD $125.00
https://www.yuan-jing.com/Finished-Boards-Units3/tpa3116-class-d-2-0-stereo-power-amplifier-50w-50w

decided to use a small tube preamp as a 'buffer' and took a punt on this basic little unit. USD $ 36.01
https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/Feixiang-FX-AUDIO-TUBE-01-DC12V-1A-Bile-Preamp-Tube-Amplifier-Buffer-6J1-HIFI-Audio-Preamplifier/1391641_32599029431.html


Speakers Mistral DT307s bookshelf units USD $299.00
http://www.mistralaudio.co.uk/DT-307S.html

I could honestly say that if I was starting again? It's a basic system I could live with happily.
Title: Re: Sub $1K Recommended Systems
Post by: kim108 on 11 Sep 2017, 02:10 pm
Okay one under $1K used system:
Used Linn Isobarik DMS speakers with Kimber speaker cables, local garage sale: $150
new concrete blocks for stands with cardboard isolators $10
Custom tube amp from a local A/V studio (4 6L6's pro audio) purchased at a local audio swap meet: $120, mod and re-tubing: $180
Meitner/Museatex pa6i preamp  eBay  $325

Counterpoint DA-10 DAC with Proceed transport, Audio Technica digital cable and 2 pair of Audio Technica  IC's local Craigslist: $200

 total $985 and sounds truly awesome, think  2 pairs of Rogers LS3/5a's with better tweeters (Scanspeak)and big balls!
Title: Re: Sub $1K Recommended Systems
Post by: poseidonsvoice on 11 Sep 2017, 02:57 pm
JBL LSR 305 - $300 including Isoacoustics stands from various online retailers. The finest measuring loudspeaker I have seen under $1K or even higher. And I own a pair.

28 inch Pangea Stand - $225/pair - optional as if you have a bookshelf, that might be good enough.

Auralic Aries Mini with integral digital volume control -$450-$499. Load it up with your SSD or connect it up to your NAS, enjoy TIDAL all the way up to DSD 256. Optional: add a tricked out 15V DC supply that is either DIY ($150 or less) or from SBooster, etc...

Whatever cable manufacturers you subscribe to, or do something inexpensive like DH Labs, Blue Jeans, Signal cable, Pangea, etc...

Add a dedicated preamp if your heart desires but not required, i.e. optional - tube, solid state, diy, etc...

Then stand back and wonder why you are spending so much on your main/regular 2ch system.

Best,
Anand.
Title: Re: Sub $1K Recommended Systems
Post by: dburna on 11 Sep 2017, 03:19 pm
JBL LSR 305 - $300 including Isoacoustics stands from various online retailers. The finest measuring loudspeaker I have seen under $1K or even higher. And I own a pair.

28 inch Pangea Stand - $225/pair - optional as if you have a bookshelf, that might be good enough.

Auralic Aries Mini with integral digital volume control -$450-$499. Load it up with your SSD or connect it up to your NAS, enjoy TIDAL all the way up to DSD 256. Optional: add a tricked out 15V DC supply that is either DIY ($150 or less) or from SBooster, etc...

Whatever cable manufacturers you subscribe to, or do something inexpensive like DH Labs, Blue Jeans, Signal cable, Pangea, etc...

Add a dedicated preamp if your heart desires - tube, solid state, diy, etc...

Then stand back and wonder why you are spending so much on your main/regular 2ch system.

Best,
Anand.

+1, though I use iFi gear instead of the Auralic.....and the results are probably similar.  This is on my work-from-home desk.....and I don't think I've turned on my main rig for 2 months now.

Only main difference is I have been using some cheapo isolation foam stands.  I keep wondering if Isoacoustics stands will improve things substantially.  It sounds pretty good as is, only complaint is a little loose/wooly bass, but nothing egregious.

-dB
Title: Re: Sub $1K Recommended Systems
Post by: JLM on 11 Sep 2017, 03:45 pm
JBL LSR 305 with stands ($300), Meridian Explorer 2 ($200), your laptop, and a subscription to Tidal ($20/month) for MQA.
Title: Re: Sub $1K Recommended Systems
Post by: GRACE RUBY on 17 Sep 2017, 08:35 am
Guy, you obviously haven't priced out a wedding recently....

;)

never marry a woman who wants more then a few real friends, home baked food and a flute player in the woods, to marry with, anything else is a vampire looking for a chrome refrigerator to impress her real friends, other women.
Title: Re: Sub $1K Recommended Systems
Post by: GRACE RUBY on 17 Sep 2017, 09:12 am
I hate to recommend it since it's just available from one of our main competitors, but I would suggest the following from Music Direct :

Marantz PM6005 : $500
Wharfedale 10.1 Diamond : $300


The wharfedale 10.1 is maybe the best deal and mistake wharfedale ever made. it left the rest of their line
not even review-able. they beat my dyna-audio's for detail. plus best speaker of the year at hysterical
sound bite review  "Whats HI-FI"

I have a rotel 1072, great detail, bass, but cold as a blow up sex doll, my marantz 5005 has breath taking tone, but warmed up, the marantz 6005 is hypnotic, and clears the room of anal retentive s who want to stand with one elbow in hand and twist nose hairs with the other, tearing everything apart.

Never let one of these Audio fools ruin the party.

But the 6005 is 90 MINUTES FOR WARM UP, and way way picky on RCA's, but i found a pair of velocity's RCA's (12 bucks)  that fit it perfect, but sound like crap between the pre and ADA power amp I use. while $100 plus RCA's sound like a
screaming me me, useless shrieking junk.

but I am using a $400 plus cardas power cord ON THE 6005, that has always sounded awful on other equip.

In the age of CD, the search for detail is short,  B U T  H Y P N O T I C  TO N E  I S  T H E  H A R D  T O  F I N D
 A N G E L.

This is one of the best post I have ever seen on this forum.

Hope tone makes a comeback, great detail is almost always at the expense of tone.

Tone is a emotional involvement thing, you gotta have heart to understand it.   


Grace Ruby
Title: Re: Sub $1K Recommended Systems
Post by: I.Greyhound Fan on 17 Sep 2017, 12:55 pm
I have to agree with the Marantz integrated and Wharfedales.  I helped set my friend up with a 5005 and Boston Acoustics CS26's and I was impressed with both. 

I bought a pair of Wharfedale Diamond 10.2's on closeout for my son.  Awesome speaker for the price. Deep bass, detailed.  They need some power and must be at least 2' or more from the back wall.  They are paired with a Parasound Halo A21 amp and an Emotiva Big Ego DAC and an AQ Jitter bug.  That combo of the Big Ego and Jitterbug is very musical, has a lush mid range with deep punchy bass, is detailed and leans on the warmer side.

Title: Re: Sub $1K Recommended Systems
Post by: roscoe65 on 17 Sep 2017, 02:10 pm
JBL LSR 305 - $300 including Isoacoustics stands from various online retailers. The finest measuring loudspeaker I have seen under $1K or even higher. And I own a pair.

28 inch Pangea Stand - $225/pair - optional as if you have a bookshelf, that might be good enough.

Auralic Aries Mini with integral digital volume control -$450-$499. Load it up with your SSD or connect it up to your NAS, enjoy TIDAL all the way up to DSD 256. Optional: add a tricked out 15V DC supply that is either DIY ($150 or less) or from SBooster, etc...

Whatever cable manufacturers you subscribe to, or do something inexpensive like DH Labs, Blue Jeans, Signal cable, Pangea, etc...

Add a dedicated preamp if your heart desires but not required, i.e. optional - tube, solid state, diy, etc...

Then stand back and wonder why you are spending so much on your main/regular 2ch system.

Best,
Anand.

I agree with this choice.  My own experience with audio system building over the past 30 years or so has been filled with false starts, dead ends and changes in direction.  It is expensive and can be frustrating to keep changing sources, amplification, and speakers.  If I were starting fresh (which many of us do in this hobby) I would be more methodical about it this time, using a building block approach.  In line with Anand's recommendation, I would:

1.  Establish that at this budget I am better off focusing on a near field setup.  It would also work as a general room system but that would not be its primary focus.

2.  JBL LS305 with Isoacoustics stands ($300).  This is a great inexpensive starting point at a great price.  I use Isoacoustics in a couple of areas myself.  I would stay with a desktop/shelf system layout at this moment.

3.  Chord Mojo DAC/HPA/Preamp ($600).  This thing is fantastic and worth much more than the $600 list price.  It only has 3.5mm output cables (unbalanced) so you'll need cables.

4.  Cables - 3.5mm TRS to 1/4" phono cable.  You'll need a splitter cable or two 3.5mm to phono cables (or 3.5mm to phono adapter) to take the two 3.5mm outputs of the Chord to the JBL's.

5.  If you have any money left over, I would start on room treatments.  In our case, I would see about absorbing any reflections off the desk.

Upgrades:

1.  Subwoofer ($400-$1000).  This would provide the biggest increase in SPL and make the system more suitable for non near-field use.  If it were my money I would choose a sub that has a built-in high pass crossover to allow for greater SPL from the JBL's.  I like the GR Research F12 ($1,000) but there are other choices.

2.  Chord Poly ($600).  This add-on streamer (Room Ready) frees you from the computer desk.

3.  Room treatments ($500).  We are at the point where this will go further than equipment upgrades.
Title: Re: Sub $1K Recommended Systems
Post by: poseidonsvoice on 17 Sep 2017, 06:05 pm
Quote
1.  Subwoofer ($400-$1000).  This would provide the biggest increase in SPL and make the system more suitable for non near-field use.  If it were my money I would choose a sub that has a built-in high pass crossover to allow for greater SPL from the JBL's.  I like the GR Research F12 ($1,000) but there are other choices.

Roscoe65,

The JBL LSR305's have a built in DSP/active crossover with integral 50 watt Class D amplifiers for each driver. It will be difficult to design in a high pass to the system/speaker itself, unless you implement a rolloff in your preamp/dac (that has multiple analog outputs) or I guess the plate amplifier section of the subwoofer amplifier (in other words, subwoofer's digital DSP or intrinsic analog active crossover). However, the last option would make cables quite lengthy and with the unbalanced to balanced conversions, an opportunity for noise to creep in. The LSR305's are XLR or 1/4 inch input only. It obviously has no speaker level inputs. Sadly, there is no way to access the DSP inside the LSR305 itself. Trust me, I've looked at the boards, and without JBL's software, you have no access.

Bear in mind that the LSR305's can get quite loud and sound very clean. Continuous output is just shy of 100dB. Peak output is 106-108dB SPL per speaker, C-weighted. As such I do not feel that high passing would be of much benefit, unless we are talking about very large rooms at which point I question the choice of the speaker. The amount of control on the woofer is quite astonishing. To put that in perspective my family room is 15 ft wide, with a 20 ft ceiling and 25 ft depth. With the LSR 305, JBL is showing the very positive benefits of a properly implemented active crossover. They certainly did their homework here, and the measurements are really beyond reproach for this kind of money. It is the best bargain I have heard under $1K, period. Moreover, it is satisfying enough for me and that is after auditioning the ELAC Debut, ELAC Unifi and CC8 speakers. The Elac Adante might be a step up and are $2K starting and have a passive crossover. At that point, you have the JBL 705p's and 705i's to consider along with other contenders, like KEF, etc...

I quite agree that adding subwoofers would be fantastic, along with room treatments. What you try has a lot to do with your budget, patience, knowledge and most importantly measurements. I have yet to hear a system finely setup with subwoofers without the didactic use of measurements. It is imperative in my honest opinion.

All that being said, when listening to the LSR305's alone you might ask yourself where all that bass is coming from. The first time I heard it, I was grinning from ear to ear.  :green:

Best,
Anand.
Title: Re: Sub $1K Recommended Systems
Post by: Krispy Kirk on 6 Jun 2018, 10:11 pm
Source: FiiO X-1 portable hi-rez player ($100 or less new)
Amp: Audiosource AMP-100 or Dayton/PE equivalent ($100-$110)
Speakers: ELAC B6 ($280 new, but can be had for $180 (what I paid for my pair NIB on amazon)).
for cables use whatever Monoprice or Amazon Basics stuff you like (<$50)
for furniture, get a Pangea rack ($100)
for speaker stands, get the Dayton SSMB24 ($65)

 :popcorn:
Title: Re: Sub $1K Recommended Systems
Post by: mcgsxr on 28 Jan 2019, 08:02 pm
Source - Apple Music - let's call that $10 (OK, that's monthly but work with me here!)
Source - Focal Universal Wireless Receiver - $65 used
Amplification - Sugden Optima integrated - traded an amp for it, but figure a value of $350
Bolder Cable Nitro PC - $150 used
Speakers - Acoustic Energy Aegis Two - $150 used

All in - USD$725

An excellent little system with surprising bass from the small floor standers, nice synergy with the old British integrated, and sound that should cost more than this overall!
Title: Re: Sub $1K Recommended Systems
Post by: vonfilm on 10 Oct 2019, 08:02 pm
Allo miniBoss Player Plus-$119 Streamer and Amp
https://www.allo.com/sparky/miniboss-player-plus.html
Fostex P1000E DIY Kanspea Full Range Speaker Kit Pair- $155
https://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/2-way-speaker-kits/fostex-p1000e-diy-kanspea-4-full-range-speaker-kit-pair/

RCA cables and speaker wire-$20

Total System-$294

Alternatively Fostex P1000-BH 4" Back Loaded Horn Kit +$100
Title: Re: Sub $1K Recommended Systems
Post by: Letitroll98 on 11 Oct 2019, 12:01 pm
Awesome little system.
Title: Re: Sub $1K Recommended Systems
Post by: Shriram on 9 Jan 2020, 10:34 pm
Current System

(A) Source(s) :Dell Laptop with Music Bee Software, Topping D10 $80

(B) Amplifier (or amplified speaker). Quad 11L $600

(C) Speaker (or headphones)

(D) Cabling & Accessories / tweaks : must include the minimum cables to have your system work.  Accessories & tweaks optional. Straightwire Interconnect $50

(E) Comments (optional) : why are you proposing this system?  Super Easy to use with Computer and active speakers, works ok for a small room
Title: Re: Sub $1K Recommended Systems
Post by: Dmason on 10 Jan 2020, 04:16 am
Baby Genelec 8010/G One, Chord Mojo, Apple.  Prepare to be astonished. You could find used 8020, 8030 as well. 8030 with Mojo sound really big, bold, and beautiful.

Alternatively, Madisound back horn kit, cheap vintage tube amp, Chord Mojo.

Current: Isophon Orchester on OB, Eastern Electric MiniMax 6BM8 amplifier, Chord Mojo. Not a whole lot more.
Title: Re: Sub $1K Recommended Systems
Post by: charmerci on 10 Jan 2020, 07:37 am
1) Your laptop/computer
2) Schiit Modi DAC  99 bucks
3) used 10/20 dollar thrift shop Sony receiver
4) 850 dollar loudspeaker of your choice!
Title: Re: Sub $1K Recommended Systems
Post by: soldermizer on 26 Feb 2020, 03:18 am
This is my bedroom system:
Pair Infinity Reference 5 ($32 at thrift shop), needed DIY re-surrounds (+$20), call it $52
DIY chip amp (10-15 watts/ch.) $15 + old laptop power supply (free) = 15;
Source Amazon Alexa Echo $20 when it was on sale (sub any device with a mini stereo out) = $20
Total = $87 for a glorified alarm clock.  :green:
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=205236)


Clearly, appearance isn't an issue  :oops:
Title: Re: Sub $1K Recommended Systems
Post by: Letitroll98 on 26 Feb 2020, 07:42 am
Awesomeness.
Title: Re: Sub $1K Recommended Systems
Post by: jrtrent on 21 Jul 2020, 06:52 pm
A "renting a room" system:

$249    Audio Technica LP120XUSB turntable
$600    Bose Wave SoundTouch music system IV (I have an older Bose Wave system II, but features are nearly identical)
$12      Amazon Basics 3.5mm to 2-Male RCA Adapter Audio Stereo Cable - 25 Feet
$100    Koss Pro4AA headphones
$15      Grado Mini Heaphone Adapter Cable - 1/4 Inch to 1/8 Inch Plug
$16      DISINO 1/4 Inch Male to Female 20 Ft. Headphone Extension Cable

When you're renting a single room and space is tight, with no place for dedicated equipment racks or the ability to properly site a pair of stereo speakers, I've found that a system like this can still provide plenty of audio entertainment. Long cables allow putting things wherever they’ll fit and sound their best, plus letting a person sit wherever he wishes with the headphones on.

The Bose Wave SoundTouch provides the speakers and amplification, has a built-in cd player and AM/FM reciever, Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, and Apple AirPlay 2 compatibility, plus auxiliary and headphone jacks.  Sound remains rich and full even at extremely low volume levels (Bose told me the Wave systems have some kind of loudness-type feature which cannot be defeated, it just works). Very little output below 60 Hz so neighbors/roommates are rarely bothered. 

The Audio Technica LP120XUSB is a surprisingly engaging turntable for the price and includes both cartridge and built-in phono stage.  Feet are adjustable to level the turntable.  The stock cartridge sounds very good (even with $21 conical VMN95C styli), but I do like the $79 Sumiko Oyster as an upgrade (styli a still-reasonable $39).

When you're sharing walls with other folks, headphones that seal out external noise reasonably well come in very handy, plus allowing higher-volume listening at any time of the day or night without disturbing others.  Koss Pro4AA have been favorites of mine for decades.
Title: Re: Sub $1K Recommended Systems
Post by: T4Man on 8 Aug 2023, 02:34 pm
Vanatoo Transparent One Encore powered speakers. $650
Fluance RT 81 turntable with integrated phono stage. $299
Done. Plus, everyone has a cell phone which can be used as a digital source for the Vanatoo.