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Title: UFO on Kickstarter
Post by: hagtech on 23 Jul 2013, 08:04 pm
It's gone live!  Order yours now...

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1907446723/ufo-a-diy-turntable-strobe

jh
Title: Re: UFO on Kickstarter
Post by: JohnR on 21 Aug 2013, 01:20 pm
BUMP!
Title: Re: UFO on Kickstarter
Post by: galyons on 21 Aug 2013, 11:51 pm
Crap! How did I miss this?  Pledged for the kit.  Jim, can the deadline be extended?

Cheers,
Geary
Title: Re: UFO on Kickstarter
Post by: hagtech on 23 Aug 2013, 07:27 am
Sorry.  Once it is started there are a few things you cannot change.  I think I picked a bad time of year for this. 

jh
Title: Re: UFO on Kickstarter
Post by: jtwrace on 23 Aug 2013, 11:09 am
What about 3D printed ones for the 37 backers? 
Title: Re: UFO on Kickstarter
Post by: hagtech on 24 Aug 2013, 03:27 am
Hmmm, good thinking.  At $225 a pop for a 3D print, I could probably sell a kit for $300 without losing any money.  The problem is that the quality of the result is not so great.  Lots of "striations" and imperfections.  Certainly not good enough to be a HAGTECH product.  I suppose I could find out the cost of the more expensive printing process...

jh
Title: Re: UFO on Kickstarter
Post by: jtwrace on 24 Aug 2013, 09:26 pm
Another thought, contact Matt here  http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=118985.msg1251071#msg1251071

He can probably do the small quantity without any issue. 
Title: Re: UFO on Kickstarter
Post by: JohnR on 27 Aug 2013, 09:26 am
Well, the Al UFO certainly seems interesting... however machining it for the electronics may be more complicated?

Jim, if kickstarter allow you to have another go in future I'm sure we can do a better job at getting the word out.
Title: Re: UFO on Kickstarter
Post by: jtwrace on 27 Aug 2013, 11:03 am
Are kits available and will you provide me with a DXF or STEP so I can 3d print my own?
Title: Re: UFO on Kickstarter
Post by: hagtech on 28 Aug 2013, 05:57 am
I've been looking into the higher resolution resin-laser process, and if I buy at least ten at a time the price is not too bad.  They say, however, the material breaks down over time.  It probably not stay together for ten years.  Great for prototyping...

jh
Title: Re: UFO on Kickstarter
Post by: jtwrace on 28 Aug 2013, 07:48 am
I've been looking into the higher resolution resin-laser process, and if I buy at least ten at a time the price is not too bad.  They say, however, the material breaks down over time.  It probably not stay together for ten years.  Great for prototyping...

jh
Can you supply me with a STEP file?
Title: Re: UFO on Kickstarter
Post by: JohnR on 28 Aug 2013, 01:49 pm
Geez jt, isn't that kinda like IP you're asking for there...?
Title: Re: UFO on Kickstarter
Post by: jtwrace on 28 Aug 2013, 02:02 pm
isn't that kinda like IP you're asking for there...?
I thought the case was something that was sold at one point with plans.  If not, then yes, sorry.   :oops:

If yes, I'd make you one though.   :wink:


Also, I have no interest in making these on the side.  I have way too much stuff to keep me busy going on.  Bottom line, still need the guts and Jim's blessing.
Title: Re: UFO on Kickstarter
Post by: JohnR on 28 Aug 2013, 02:15 pm
Just to be clear, I wasn't questioning your motives :)
Title: Re: UFO on Kickstarter
Post by: galyons on 28 Aug 2013, 04:23 pm
This is a tough one.  Jim worked hard on the UFO and should reap appropriate benefit for any use of the design. I want him busily developing more new products!!

 I like John's idea on a Mulligan with Kickstarter.

Cheers,
Geary
Title: Re: UFO on Kickstarter
Post by: poseidonsvoice on 28 Aug 2013, 05:53 pm
Another thought, contact Matt here  http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=118985.msg1251071#msg1251071

He can probably do the small quantity without any issue.

This may not be the most affordable way of getting a UFO, but damn it would be really cool with black anodizing to boot!

Best of luck Jim, it's too bad the Kickstarter project didn't fly, I didn't even know about it, or else I would've backed it up!

Anand.
Title: Re: UFO on Kickstarter
Post by: hagtech on 30 Aug 2013, 05:39 pm
My friend had a good idea - why not make it out of wood?  Makes sense to me!  We may have to change the wall thickness in the design, but using poplar or maple or some other fine grained hardwood could work really well.  It has the weight, the surface is easy to sand and stain, and it would look gorgeous.  On top of that, wood is naturally and organically damped, unlike metal or glass, and will not "ping".  It could make for a really effective clamp.  So I'm looking into that now - see what it takes to CNC a housing.

jh
Title: Re: UFO on Kickstarter
Post by: jtwrace on 30 Aug 2013, 05:52 pm
Wood?  Then do it out of Hawaiian Koa.   :drool:
Title: Re: UFO on Kickstarter
Post by: hagtech on 4 Sep 2013, 02:37 am
Ok, so which is preferable?  I'm looking into low cost molds for the plastic, and also CNC machining for metal and wood.  Which would you folks prefer?

I think I can do the all aluminum one for $400 retail price.

jh
Title: Re: UFO on Kickstarter
Post by: roscoeiii on 4 Sep 2013, 02:48 am
Yeah, I also missed the Kickstarter on this one. I'd try again. Maybe Fall or Winter, when more people are focused on home-based hobbies?
Title: Re: UFO on Kickstarter
Post by: poseidonsvoice on 13 Sep 2013, 02:09 pm
Just to get this going again, cause I noticed you put your UFO video on your website...

I would prefer the $400 aluminum version personally and I encourage you to contact Matt of Aluminati if you guys can work things out without encroaching your IP and hard work on this project. DIY for the electronics and putting the enclosure together would be no problem for me and I imagine for others.

I just don't know how many you would sell at $400 or if Matt could make them less expensively.

Anyway...just my thoughts...I always wanted something to check the speed of my turntable that wasn't a KAB unit...

Best,
Anand.
Title: Re: UFO on Kickstarter
Post by: BobRex on 13 Sep 2013, 02:20 pm
Anand,

If you are willing to drop 400 bucks on a strobe, why not buy the Sutherland timeline and get it over with?
Title: Re: UFO on Kickstarter
Post by: galyons on 15 Sep 2013, 09:39 pm
... why not buy the Sutherland timeline and get it over with?

IMO, poor form to recommend a competitor's product in a manufacturer's forum.  Of course, as in all things, YMMV.

Cheers,
Geary
Title: Re: UFO on Kickstarter
Post by: galyons on 15 Sep 2013, 09:45 pm
Ok, so which is preferable?  I'm looking into low cost molds for the plastic, and also CNC machining for metal and wood.  Which would you folks prefer?

I think I can do the all aluminum one for $400 retail price.

jh

Koa would be nice and local to you.  Myrtle has good dampening properties and nice looking as well.

Cheers,
Geary
Title: Re: UFO on Kickstarter
Post by: jtwrace on 15 Sep 2013, 11:02 pm
For $400 I'll pass.  I can make an aluminum enclosure too so I'm not going to pay that for one.  Thanks anyway though. 
Title: Re: UFO on Kickstarter
Post by: JohnR on 16 Sep 2013, 12:24 pm
I liked the initial offering, it was a fun item that anybody can afford. Don't give up Jim!  :thumb:
Title: Re: UFO on Kickstarter
Post by: hagtech on 1 Oct 2013, 06:22 am
I'm going to do a small production run of aluminum UFOs.  Thinking of pricing them at $400 to test the market.  My only option was to get the parts made in China.  Stay tuned...

jh
Title: Re: UFO on Kickstarter
Post by: jtwrace on 1 Oct 2013, 11:46 am
Thanks anyway.
Title: Re: UFO on Kickstarter
Post by: WireNut on 1 Oct 2013, 03:33 pm

For $400 I'll pass.



I cant do that either. $150 is about max for me. Even if my TT speed was off there's nothing I can do about it that I'm aware of. The speed is locked/non adjustable.



 





Title: Re: UFO on Kickstarter
Post by: hagtech on 2 Oct 2013, 05:21 am
That's exactly why I tried to make the $100 version!  I thought it would sell - but the response at the time from Kickstarter was an overwhelming NO THANK YOU.  This is the best I can do now - buying metal for $150 a pop (my cost) - then adding circuit board and electronics, assembly, etc...

jh
Title: Re: UFO on Kickstarter
Post by: ecir38 on 16 Oct 2013, 06:54 pm
Jim, have you ever looked at

http://www.emachineshop.com/

Design your product on there software and it spits out cost and shipping quote. Larger quantities lowers the price.

Haven't used this feature but you can even import a file if you already have it drawn up. 

http://www.emachineshop.com/machine-shop/Importing/page449.html
Title: Re: UFO on Kickstarter
Post by: hagtech on 18 Oct 2013, 07:29 am
emachineshop did the original UFO years ago. 

jh
Title: Re: UFO on Kickstarter
Post by: hagtech on 10 Nov 2013, 12:34 am
I am now taking orders for the new "metal' UFO.  The kickstarter design was converted to machined aluminum.  It's quite a bit more upscale.  Looks very nice!

http://www.haglabs.com/ufo3.html

I have production enclosures in the shop, just need to order more circuit boards, which should take about 2 weeks.

jh
Title: Re: UFO on Kickstarter
Post by: hagtech on 10 Nov 2013, 12:36 am
And I made a new movie:

http://www.haglabs.com/images/ufo3.wmv (http://www.haglabs.com/images/ufo3.wmv)

jh