DENAFRIPS DACs

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alvin1118

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Re: DENAFRIPS DACs
« Reply #20 on: 10 Jul 2017, 05:36 am »
I noticed the forum doesn't have much photos posted. I for one prefer to see pictures than read words (I'm lazy!)  :green:

DENAFRIPS ARES DAC




DENAFRIPS PONTUS DAC




DENAFRIPS TERMINATOR DAC





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« Reply #21 on: 10 Jul 2017, 06:48 am »
Hello, Alvin.

Perhaps, in a few more days, I'll be able to post a couple Venus pics for folks, too!  :drool:

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Re: DENAFRIPS DACs
« Reply #22 on: 11 Jul 2017, 02:43 pm »
Hello, Alvin.

Perhaps, in a few more days, I'll be able to post a couple Venus pics for folks, too!  :drool:

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« Reply #23 on: 11 Jul 2017, 03:19 pm »
Hello, Alvin.

Perhaps, in a few more days, I'll be able to post a couple Venus pics for folks, too!  :drool:

And, perhaps in a few days after that I'll get to see and hear it :thumb:

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Re: DENAFRIPS DACs
« Reply #24 on: 11 Jul 2017, 03:37 pm »
deleted. Posted to wrong thread

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Re: DENAFRIPS DACs
« Reply #25 on: 11 Jul 2017, 03:42 pm »
I'm interested in either the Venus or Terminator DACs.

Can anyone explain the differences between the hardware and if there are any sonic improvements to justify the added cost?

Thanks!

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« Reply #26 on: 11 Jul 2017, 05:25 pm »
Hit up Alvin1118 as he is the main man.  He posted above.  And he just might post here.   

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Re: DENAFRIPS DACs
« Reply #27 on: 12 Jul 2017, 12:39 am »
Agreed, Alvin and the DENAFRIPS website are the best and likely the only good sources for information.  The forums might come in second.

alvin1118

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Re: DENAFRIPS DACs
« Reply #28 on: 6 Aug 2017, 12:59 pm »
I'm interested in either the Venus or Terminator DACs.

Can anyone explain the differences between the hardware and if there are any sonic improvements to justify the added cost?

Thanks!

Ah i'm terribly sorry for overlooking this msg! My apologies  :duh:

Allow me to explain the differences between Venus and Terminator. Venus and Terminator are DENAFRIPS high end DAC. Either of them are of high quality, capable in producing fantastic music, and bring you many years of listening pleasure. Certainly, there are distinguishable differences:

1. Power supply

Venus power supply is closer to the Pontus. Multistage of super regulator, total 120VA.

Terminator on the other hand, beef up with 300VA of transformers, multistage of super regulator with superior Elna, Elna Silmic 2, and Mundrof capacitor. We knew power supply is extremely important to sonic improvement. Here is why.

2. Multiple Digital Input on Venus and Terminator. Terminator is equipped with 3 number of different i2s standard, you can be sure your i2s interface of upstream equipment will be compatible.

3. FPGA coding on Terminator is tuned to produce lush, dynamic and musical sound. Many season audiophiles agreed with this, Terminator is one of the best DAC they have had.

4. 19kg vs 9kg. Terminator dac board and power supply board is isolated to each other to eliminate possible emf. There is an additional metal plate in between the two.

While I can't stress more of how good is the Terminator, it is such a good candidate to beat many DAC priced much higher in the market.  :thumb:

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« Reply #29 on: 14 Sep 2017, 03:34 pm »
This thread is most likely dead, but I am going to post anyway just in case some one is still reading it.

I have just finished (yesterday) auditioning a Denafrips Terminator (which is on tour here in Italy) in my home.
If anyone reads this and is interested I will be happy to recount my impressions of this DAC as compared to my AMR DP 777 SE.

By the way, on the fifth day of auditioning it, I ordered one from Vinshine. I was the second on the list. The guy who auditioned before me also bought it.


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« Reply #30 on: 14 Sep 2017, 04:25 pm »
Hello, Lolligagger.

I'm interested in your thoughts. I auditioned the Venus a couple months ago and decided I wanted to audition the Terminator. I expect to do this in November.

Post away!

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Re: DENAFRIPS DACs
« Reply #31 on: 14 Sep 2017, 05:14 pm »
Hello, Lolligagger.

I'm interested in your thoughts. I auditioned the Venus a couple months ago and decided I wanted to audition the Terminator. I expect to do this in November.

Post away!

Michael

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« Reply #32 on: 15 Sep 2017, 12:22 am »
+2 Lolligag away :lol:

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Re: DENAFRIPS DACs
« Reply #33 on: 19 Sep 2017, 01:31 am »
+3  :lol:

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Re: DENAFRIPS DACs
« Reply #34 on: 19 Sep 2017, 01:44 am »
This thread is most likely dead, but I am going to post anyway just in case some one is still reading it.

I have just finished (yesterday) auditioning a Denafrips Terminator (which is on tour here in Italy) in my home.
If anyone reads this and is interested I will be happy to recount my impressions of this DAC as compared to my AMR DP 777 SE.

By the way, on the fifth day of auditioning it, I ordered one from Vinshine. I was the second on the list. The guy who auditioned before me also bought it.

You big tease.  Spill!

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Re: DENAFRIPS DACs
« Reply #35 on: 19 Sep 2017, 01:46 am »
+1000

lolligagger

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Re: DENAFRIPS DACs
« Reply #36 on: 19 Sep 2017, 09:44 am »

I apologize that it has taken me so long to get back to you. I did not want to write a lot if no one was still reading the thread, so I wrote the first post expecting that AudioCircle would send me an email if anyone responded. AudioCircle did not send any email. I only returned to the thread because Alvin (of Vinshine, the Denfrips distributor) reminded me of it by sending me a WhatsApp message thanking me for posting.

Here are my impressions:

For 8 days I had a Terminator in my house that is on tour here in Italy (the Terminator, not my house).

I was the third on the list to receive this unit and by the time it got to me it had about 300 hours on it, so it was well broken in.

I compared it to my AMR DP 777 SE, which, in my opinion, is a wonderful DAC. In nearly every parameter the Terminator is the equal of the DP 777 SE. Both present a wide deep soundstage with excellent holographic imaging. I am talking about the kind of sound stage that goes, not only beyond the speakers, but beyond all three walls. Instruments and voices are well defined and well placed within that soundstage. Both DACs present a lush sound and warmish sound (but not overly warm) which is very smooth and analogue... nothing digital about the sound that either produces. I can listen to either of them for hours on end (and often do) without ever suffering any listening fatigue.
And while both manage to present lots of detail they remain musical... never sounding analytical.

Where, in my opinion, the Terminator surpasses the AMR, where it truly shines, is in its ability to reproduce the sound of real instruments. Instruments as reproduced by the Terminator are simply more accurate. To me, it seems that DP does this pretty damn well, but the Terminator does it a lot better.

I think I understand the ''why'' of this difference. A vibrating note produces a fundamental tone to which are attached harmonic tones which are higher in frequency and more subtle than the fundamental. It is these harmonics that the brain picks up and uses to distinguish the differences between instruments. They are what distinguishes the sound of a violin from a cello, from a guitar... an oboe from a clarinet, from a saxophone... etc. And, more significant to our purposes, it is that creates the subtle differences between on violin and another, one cello and another, etc.
I say ''more significant to our purposes" because which of us doesn't have an DAC that let's hear how totally different instruments sound from each other. But a DAC that let's hear the subtle differences between a Strad and a Guarneri...?
Well, this is what we hear when listening to real acoustic instruments, non amplified, in real world settings.

As I hear it, the DP seems to produce the fundamental note with less of those harmonics... The Terminator produces the same fundamental note with more of those harmonics... thus gifting me with a more complete sensation of hearing a real instrument.

And that, for me, was a very satisfying... an emotionally very satisfying... experience. The Terminator provided me with a more emotional connection to the music.

And that is why I had to buy one.

While I had the Terminator here, I listened primarily to it, using the AMR only when I was effecting a real comparison. The Terminator would not let me read while listening. It demanded that I pay attention. And it was stronger than me... I had to obey... even up to 3 or 4 in the morning.

And even then I had a hard time tearing myself away….

''just one more song… just one more song!''

You may see this same mini review (with some differences) on other forums because rather than write the same thing over and over again, i just cut and paste. I first wrote this on Head-fi forum.

I have just been informed by Alvin that my Terminator is on its way and he sent me the DHL tracking number. Good thing too because I have been in a constant state of depression since the demo left my house. Who knows how bad it might have gotten if Alvin had not sent me that good news. I think I can hang on til it gets here... at least I hope so! :lol:

All kidding aside, you might want to check out the third page of the review that Srajan Ebaen of 6MOONS is presently writing on the Terminator. See what he told a reader about purchasing one.

The review is not yet complete. It is still in what Srajan refers to as the ''Preview'' stage. I wrote to him telling him how much the ''Terminator community'' appreciates that which he wrote so far. He wrote back saying, ''It'll still get better..."

A friend here in Italy wrote that two of his friends came to his house to hear it. One owns a dCS Debussy and the other an MSB Platinum IV. They brought these with them to be able to compare. My friend reports that they could not believe their ears. They left his house shaking there heads in wonder at that which they had heard. And they were invested in the DACs they already owned (and paid a lot for) 
That same friend, who knows (for good reason) all the Terminator owners here in Italy (so far there are 10, but three others have ordered one after hearing it) reports that owners of Lector Digitube S192, Lector Digicode 2.24HZ, Schiit Yggdrasil, AMR DP777SE, (me), dCS Debussy,  have sold their DACs and bought a Terminator. There is a thread on Facebook about it. A lot of it is in Italian, but many have reported in English as well. If you are interested, check it out. The one I am communicating with is named Claudio and it is he who arranged for Vinshine to send a Terminator that could be sent out on tour.

Maybe that's why they call it the Terminator... it does in all of those other DACs...

The Terminator is one hell of a DAC folks... and the price is phenomenal.

Of course, all of this is hearsay and you won't know if any of it is true for you until you try one.  :D

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Re: DENAFRIPS DACs
« Reply #37 on: 19 Sep 2017, 10:47 am »
By the way, there are presently 213 members in the Facebook group.

Obviously they are not all Terminator owners... or even interested in the Terminator... the group is for those who are owners of or are interested in Denafrips products:  the Ares, Pontus, Venus and the Terminator.

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Re: DENAFRIPS DACs
« Reply #38 on: 19 Sep 2017, 11:19 am »
AudioCircle did not send any email.

OMG! Someone needs to be fired!!!

Or, you could turn your notifications on?


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Re: DENAFRIPS DACs
« Reply #39 on: 19 Sep 2017, 11:21 am »
OMG! Someone needs to be fired!!!

Or, you could turn your notifications on?

Perhaps that is what happened... didn't turn on notifications. How do I do that?