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That's for one, but $4000 - $4800 for a pair of speakers with amplification is not a bad price at all if they come near their performance objectives.Steve
Just like your speakers, "no revolution."
Very cool concept, but I am not sure that it will be applicable in anywhere but a desktop setup. I would assume that 105DB limit at 5000 dollars for the stereo pair is at 1 meter (I didn't read the white paper). So, at a 6DB drop per doubling, you are at a maximum of the low to mid 90s as you sit 10 or so feet away. It would be pretty sweet however, if they improve on the design, maximized the output to a higher level, and made the price more reasonable. A HT setup with these would probably have a high amount of WAF, be easy to setup, and provide a great experience.
So after reading the links and white paper, I honestly see no revolution here. It appears to be nothing more than a long stroke, very low sensitivity driver with a TON of EQ applied to let it go low in a small enclosure.
It's totally not intended for the desktop. It's intended for rooms, even pretty big ones (with the more powerful Silver model). The 105 db is for one. I love how you "haven't read the whitepaper" but are already suggesting they "improve the design...etc". I don't know how good this thing sounds, but clearly it is extremely innovative, cutting edge technology. But you're already decided it isn't good enough, without actually knowing anything about it or having heard it.
I'm with firedog. I'm blocking out the haters too
Sorry to offend your sensibilities Mr Devialet, However, I don't need to read the "white paper," also known as BS marketing jargon (we brought in automotive engineers and rocket scientists from NASA to make our product!), to understand simple physics.105DBS is for one, which might mean you have a theoretical maximum of 108 DBS, with two playing. Does the company written propaganda, err I mean white paper, state how much distortion there is at the 105DB limit? So, assuming that the speaker plays a totally clean 105DBs (108 with 2), at 12 feet away, you have a maximum functional peak output of a whopping 96DBs. How is that not a limitation like I stated? Measurements, at non amplified classical performances, have pegged tympani hits at over 100 DBs from mid row, some at almost 105DBs. That's almost twice as loud as this thing can produce RED LINED at normal listening distances in "pretty big" rooms. All of this limitation for 5K. Which, to rephrase, brings me back to my initial point. This is a cool concept, but IMO, is currently limited. If they came out with something similar hitting 120DB peaks (read as improved the design), then we are talking.
No one on this post has heard these right? So its perfectly sensible to be blindly optimistic, but you're a hater if you have valid skepticism? Sounds logical.
No, I'm not Mr. Devialet. Didn't say I was blindly optimistic. Said I don't know how good they'll sound. Just that on audio forums there are lots of people who consistently belittle new products without knowing much about them, and always putting down whatever innovations are being introduced.And yes, I realize the white paper is a marketing attempt, but it also has a lot of good information. Like the distortion specs you don't know the answer to (approaches 0). As far as loudness, "typical" discussion is generally from 10ft, not 12. And as far as symphony volumes, I'm well aware of them. But I don't know anyone who actually wants those kind of volumes in their home. Listening at home is not the same experience as listening in a symphony hall. I have a db meter at home and I've been at lots of classical performances of loud symphonic works. But I never think the sound at the symphony is ear splittingly loud, and I can't listen at any where near the 100-105 db peak levels you are referring to at home. And my system can do it.What you supposedly "need" on paper to sound realistic is much too loud for most people at home. Most people think MUCH lower volumes in the 70 - 90db range are loud for classical music, which has lots of volume dynamics. We won't even get into rock or other popular music, which often is consistently loud, and very few people would listen continuously at anything near full volume, unless they want to destroy their ears. So something on the order of 98 db at 10 ft with two of these? I'm willing to bet you that will be plenty loud for about 99% of users.
