BDA-2 DAC and BDA-3 DAC

R. Daneel · « **Reply #840 on:** 10 Mar 2015, 06:27 am »

Perhaps he meant the D/A card that can be installed in Bryston preamps.

martydmnt · « **Reply #841 on:** 10 Mar 2015, 03:01 pm »

Quote from: James Tanner on 9 Mar 2015, 10:13 pm

Sorry - which internal DA are you referring to?

I should have been more specific - the internal DAC card for the B135.

James Tanner · « **Reply #842 on:** 10 Mar 2015, 03:33 pm »

Quote from: martydmnt on 10 Mar 2015, 03:01 pm

I should have been more specific - the internal DAC card for the B135.

Hi

Yes that is something we should look at soon

james

alexone · « **Reply #843 on:** 10 Mar 2015, 06:30 pm »

...192/24 and usb input would be great. not an easy task as i believe it would mean a complete redesign

al.

martydmnt · « **Reply #844 on:** 12 Mar 2015, 06:17 pm »

Quote from: James Tanner on 10 Mar 2015, 03:33 pm

Yes that is something we should look at soon

Thanks for the reply, James, that's good to hear! I've been there with separates (though not the BDA-x), but no longer have the available space or desire to collect a number of different boxes if there is alternative solution.

mav52 · « **Reply #845 on:** 16 Mar 2015, 02:44 pm »

James just wondering will the BDA-3 accept DSD over HDMI

James Tanner · « **Reply #846 on:** 16 Mar 2015, 02:53 pm »

Quote from: mav52 on 16 Mar 2015, 02:44 pm

James just wondering will the BDA-3 accept DSD over HDMI

Hi

I do not think that is legal - I know it will decode SACD over HDMI.

james

Phil A · « **Reply #847 on:** 16 Mar 2015, 06:44 pm »

Quote from: James Tanner on 16 Mar 2015, 02:53 pm

Hi

I do not think that is legal - I know it will decode SACD over HDMI.

james

Am I missing something? SACD via HDMI was enabled starting with HDMI version 1.2. Don't know/understand how the DAC would differentiate between DSD and SACD. I've used my Oppo players in secondary systems with receivers that have DSD decoding - http://www.oppodigital.com.au/blogs/reviews-resources/13531361-oppo-players-and-the-fabled-dsd-format

"If your A/V receiver or audio processor supports native DSD, your OPPO player can send DSD signal over HDMI to the A/V receiver or audio processor. You should connect the HDMI 2 port of the player to your A/V receiver or audio processor since the HDMI 1 port does not transmit DSD signal. The following settings in the player's setup menu should be used:

Playback Setup - SACD Priority: set to Multi-Channel or Stereo based on your preference
Audio Format Setup - SACD Output: set to DSD or Auto (Auto is available for firmware version BDP10XAU-67-1120B or later)
The OPPO player will automatically convert DSD into PCM if it determines that a connected device does not support DSD. Usually your A/V receiver or audio processor will have an indication on its front panel showing whether the device is getting DSD signal."

Phil A · « **Reply #848 on:** 16 Mar 2015, 06:52 pm »

Quote from: James Tanner on 16 Mar 2015, 02:53 pm

Hi

I do not think that is legal - I know it will decode SACD over HDMI.

james

Apparently there are only some older receivers that allow this per this thread - http://www.computeraudiophile.com/f8-general-forum/direct-stream-digital-hdmi-18895/

Phil A · « **Reply #849 on:** 16 Mar 2015, 07:11 pm »

I should note that besides what is listed on the Computer Audiophile, I have an old Marantz 6003 receiver in one secondary system and I have not looked at the settings closely but do have an Oppo 103D that has files on a hard drive attached to it, including DSD, both 2-channel and multi-channel. I have played and passed DSD files via HDMI (I did the same briefly in the Onkyo 1008 in the main system) with no issues. It however has not been a big focus for me since I don't do multi-channel all that often so I took the drive out of the main system 103D where I have a music server anyway (and it is easy enough to pull out a disc for multi-channel). Both that secondary system and my main system are integrated HT systems which preamps with HT Bypass. In the secondary system when I play DSD most of the time is it with the Oppo connected via analog outs so that I play to a preamp and to an amp. The Oppo interface (I also have the App on an old iPhone 5 so I don't need to turn on the TV to select files to play) is very basic and not like a music server or BDP player and I'd think that many would want a player to play via USB anyway.

I have an old BDP-93 in the bedroom system (and when Oppo has their next generation out, one of the 103Ds will go to the bedroom) which feeds outdoor speakers and for something like that the Oppo Media Interface App is fine. Being used to a music server the Oppo just lists the album folders and it is not as convenient. I have the house wired so I can hook up an old PC Monitor/Analog TV screen outside and it will display the album artwork.

mav52 · « **Reply #850 on:** 16 Mar 2015, 08:26 pm »

Quote from: James Tanner on 16 Mar 2015, 02:53 pm

Hi

I do not think that is legal - I know it will decode SACD over HDMI.

james

I think its legal. My Denon 4311 handles DSD over HDMI from my OPPO105.

Phil A · « **Reply #851 on:** 16 Mar 2015, 08:32 pm »

There's actually an extensive list of players that can transmit DSD over HDMI - http://www.avsforum.com/forum/153-cd-players-dedicated-music-transports/1155206-dsd-over-hdmi-players.html

R. Daneel · « **Reply #852 on:** 17 Mar 2015, 12:22 pm »

It might be legal in some countries, in others it is not.

James Tanner · « **Reply #853 on:** 17 Mar 2015, 02:00 pm »

Hi Folks,

As I understand it HDMI will allow playing of DSD from an SACD disc in single speed (64) only. I have not been able to find a player that will output a DSD downloaded DSD digital file of any speed? That includes JRiver and Media Monkey etc? Also allowing playback of the Native files (both PCM and DSD) and not upsampling all incoming signals as many players do.

Correct me if I am wrong.

james

Phil A · « **Reply #854 on:** 17 Mar 2015, 03:18 pm »

Quote from: James Tanner on 17 Mar 2015, 02:00 pm

Hi Folks,

As I understand it HDMI will allow playing of DSD from an SACD disc in single speed (64) only. I have not been able to find a player that will output a DSD downloaded DSD digital file of any speed? That includes JRiver and Media Monkey etc? Also allowing playback of the Native files (both PCM and DSD) and not upsampling all incoming signals as many players do.

Correct me if I am wrong.

james

James - believe JRiver 19 and above allow 128 - http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=82074.0 as does Foobar - http://www.psaudio.com/forum/directstream-all-about-it/how-to-play-double-rate-dsd/

I have music servers in 2 systems with JRiver and I have it on my do it list (perhaps even later today) to check it on my secondary system (just got the music server as I was using an old laptop with Teac's HR Audio Player) where I have a Teac DAC (my main system DAC can just do 64) which can do double DSD (and DXD). I have some samples from https://justlisten.nativedsd.com/ and a DXD file or so as well. I use an iPad Mini with the JRemote App for the main system and JRiver's free Gizmo App with the Android Tablet in the secondary system. I just download and used Gizmo when I got the music server a couple of weeks back and had a few hours with it and don't think I like it as much as JRemote. I got an email from JRiver that JRemote was going to be available for Android before the end of last week so I will look for it.

JRiver's Tools/Options allows one to upsample or not. For files above 192kHz you can set the playback preference. For example, if one does not have a DSD capable DAC, one can set it 88.2kHz or 176.4kHz.

Phil A · « **Reply #855 on:** 17 Mar 2015, 03:20 pm »

Quote from: James Tanner on 17 Mar 2015, 02:00 pm

Hi Folks,

As I understand it HDMI will allow playing of DSD from an SACD disc in single speed (64) only. I have not been able to find a player that will output a DSD downloaded DSD digital file of any speed? That includes JRiver and Media Monkey etc? Also allowing playback of the Native files (both PCM and DSD) and not upsampling all incoming signals as many players do.

Correct me if I am wrong.

james

Apparently Oppo's new player/DAC can do Double DSD too - http://www.oppodigital.com.au/products/oppo-bdp-105d-darbee-dsd-edition-blu-ray-player

Phil A · « **Reply #856 on:** 17 Mar 2015, 07:14 pm »

Quote from: James Tanner on 17 Mar 2015, 02:00 pm

Hi Folks,

As I understand it HDMI will allow playing of DSD from an SACD disc in single speed (64) only. I have not been able to find a player that will output a DSD downloaded DSD digital file of any speed? That includes JRiver and Media Monkey etc? Also allowing playback of the Native files (both PCM and DSD) and not upsampling all incoming signals as many players do.

Correct me if I am wrong.

james

James, FYI, just played on my secondary system (via JRiver) a couple of the double DSD files and one DXD file I got from - https://justlisten.nativedsd.com/

They have a compilation sampler and a free track that changes every week give or take. Great for testing what is best for your DAC. All one has to do is sign up for the newsletter.

Norton · « **Reply #857 on:** 18 Mar 2015, 08:52 pm »

SACD and DSD are being confused here. There's no reason why a player, be it an Oppo, a PC running JRiver or indeed a BDP can't output a DSD download file to a DAC or processor,including over HDMI if that interface is provided.

However, if a DSD stream from a SACD is output over HDMI or any other available interface, my understanding is that some form of copy protection has to be shared between the player and the DAC. I presume the BDA3 offers this, as I am one of those awaiting the BDA3 as a the first SACD capable DAC to use with an Oppo as transport.

R. Daneel · « **Reply #858 on:** 22 Mar 2015, 12:11 pm »

James,

were you able to do more comparisons between the BDA-2 and BDA-3 in thers of audio quality with PCM material? How do you feel about that?

Cheers!
Antun

James Tanner · « **Reply #859 on:** 22 Mar 2015, 01:17 pm »

Quote from: R. Daneel on 22 Mar 2015, 12:11 pm

James,

were you able to do more comparisons between the BDA-2 and BDA-3 in thers of audio quality with PCM material? How do you feel about that?

Cheers!
Antun

So far the PCM is 50/50 BDA3 vs BDA2

james