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Audio/Video Gear and Systems => The HiRez Music Circle => Topic started by: mcdmdmd on 21 Nov 2021, 08:12 pm
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I have an opportunity to buy a UBP-X1000ES Blu-Ray player. The Sony website says it will play SA-CDs. Will it play the SA-CD portion of hybrid discs or will it read the regular CD portion by default with no way to get to the SA-CD portion?
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I have an opportunity to buy a UBP-X1000ES Blu-Ray player. The Sony website says it will play SA-CDs. Will it play the SA-CD portion of hybrid discs or will it read the regular CD portion by default with no way to get to the SA-CD portion?
On the Sony site they say this:
https://pro.sony/en_ME/products/other-home-cinema-projector-accessories/ubp-x1000es
Supported Media/Format/File
Ultra HD Blu-ray: Yes(DL/TL)
BD-ROM: Yes (SL/DL)
Bonus View: Yes (Profile 1.1)
BD-Live: Yes (Profile 2.0)
DVD-Video: Yes
SA-CD (SA-CD/CD) : Yes
DVD-Audio: Yes
CD (CD-DA): Yes
CD (DTS-CD): Yes
CD-R/-RW: Yes
DVD-R/-RW: Video / VR without CPRM
DVD+R/+RW: Yes
USB Memory: Yes
File System (FAT32, NTFS, exFAT): FAT32/exFAT/NTFS
External HDD (Read/Write/Copy/Move): Yes(Read only)
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It’s likely in the settings
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Thank you both. I will go ahead and get it and report back.
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I can't imagine Sony would say it supports SACDs if all it did was read the redbook layer from hybrid discs. That would be no different from ordinary CD player behavior.
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Here's a video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8T7kyOrksA In the setting detailed around a bit over the 4 minutes mark, there is one labeled 'DSD Output Mode.'
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My Oppo player has a setting for which playback option it defaults to (SACD or Redbook). I'd imagine the Sony is the same way.
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My Oppo player has a setting for which playback option it defaults to (SACD or Redbook). I'd imagine the Sony is the same way.
Yes - I still have a bunch of Oppo players and an old Sony laying around. At this point none of them see much use (unless someone brings a disc over) as I'm into file playback.
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You guys are great!
Thank you,
Mike
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Well, it looks like the Sony will only work well if combined with a television. So I am turning my attention to dedicated SACD player or transport. Any recommendations?
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Well, it looks like the Sony will only work well if combined with a television. So I am turning my attention to dedicated SACD player or transport. Any recommendations?
might look for an Onkyo Integra. They'll work and sound pretty damned good. I've had a couple Marantz players, and they're junk. I think Denon still builds one
gary
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Well, it looks like the Sony will only work well if combined with a television. So I am turning my attention to dedicated SACD player or transport. Any recommendations?
On some of those players, one may need to disconnect either disconnect the HDMI cable or go into the settings and temporarily change the HDMI settings. With the current set-up you have, it is likely looking for a handshake (via HDMI).
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I connected the Sony thru an HDMI into an adapter then thru a TOSLink into my Cambridge Audio DAC Magic 200M. It worked well with CDs but to do anything else you must use a TV, which I do not want to do.
I am considering the Yamaha CD-S1000.
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For simple put-in-the-SACD-disk-and-hit-play music centered use I believe you are on the right track with the Yamaha. In Japan and elsewhere in Asia physical media including SACD remain very popular. Thus companies like Yamaha, Denon, and Marantz offer the best current in production solutions for dedicated stereo SACD playback. For those lucky &/or successful enough for whom budget is not an issue the list expands to include Playback Designs, EMM, Esoteric, dSC, and other niche European players. And last but certainly not least from the good old USA PS Audio's PerfectWave SACD Transport and compatible DACs represent some of the latest designs available from a stalwart supporter of DSD.
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For those into disc playback, I agree the non-video players are the way to go. On my main UHD HT system, I have a Panasonic 9000 UHD player. It won't play SACD discs, but I don't do disc playback, but the Panasonic will do up to quad DSD file playback. I don't use the system often for music (maybe once a year or a bit less) and I just leave the TV on and cover it and use an App that works with my Synology NAS. I don't worry about that for the main system, although an integrated AV, I only use my Panasonic 820 for video and have a music server and DAC to play files. If someone brings a disc over, I have a modded Oppo BDP-83 that's configured to output 24/88.2 from SACDs and is connected to the coax digital input of my DAC (it hasn't been used for a disc probably in a year and a half).
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I have decided to get this one:
https://www.arcam.co.uk/product,hda,players,cds50.htm
Two reasons: It is a bit cheaper than the others I was looking at and it offers streaming, which I don't use but my kids would appreciate
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I’ve got two Marantz players (SA8005 and SACD 30n) and have never had a problem with either. OTOH, I’ve had Sony and Denon players die prematurely.
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Sony are very strong on planed obsolecense, his original SCD-1 and SCD-777 need a scope to change the optical unit, a numerical code to be inserted by the remote control and the IC716 fail early and is a pita to substitute.
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I just got an idea. What about this as a portable SACD player:
Sony BDP-SX910 9V Portable Blu-ray/DVD Player
Seems to me I could use this and since it comes with a screen, I could avoid hooking up a separate television
Same process, connect the HDMI to an adapter and then into my DAC with a TOSLink
(worked on the other Sony, I just could not access any of the other controls without adding a TV)
What do you think?
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Never mind, I just realized that will not work.
Back to getting the Arcam
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I just got an idea. What about this as a portable SACD player:
Sony BDP-SX910 9V Portable Blu-ray/DVD Player
Seems to me I could use this and since it comes with a screen, I could avoid hooking up a separate television
Same process, connect the HDMI to an adapter and then into my DAC with a TOSLink
(worked on the other Sony, I just could not access any of the other controls without adding a TV)
What do you think?
just a thought. How about hunting up a Play Station 3 and having it modified to your needs? The Onkyo's seem to be built like a tank. Have two of them I picked up in flea markets for about $25 a piece with remotes. Marantz stuff will go for three times the price and be dead in a year. Pioneer seems to be built well, but in my neck of the woods you just don't see it anymore. Never owned a Denon CD player, but have heard they hold up well. I bought an SL2000 (maybe 2100) Yamaha a few years back. Played well, but the sound seemed compressed to me. Maybe I need to give it another chance as I still have it
Down the road I look to get rid of all my SACD's and stick with a good red book transport. My Hi-Rez is vinyl anyway!
gary
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I connected the Sony thru an HDMI into an adapter then thru a TOSLink into my Cambridge Audio DAC Magic 200M. It worked well with CDs but to do anything else you must use a TV, which I do not want to do.
I am considering the Yamaha CD-S1000.
Did you try using the smartphone app to control it?
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I did not know there was a smart phone app to control the UBP-X1000ES Blu-Ray player. I will look into that.
As for the PlayStation 3. I know where I can get one and will look into that. Would you have any recommendations for where to get the modifications done?
Thank you both!
Mike
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When you say you need to use a TV to use the Sony, do you mean a TV is necessary to make the necessary setup selections to play SACDs, or that you have to be able to see a screen simply to operate the machine (like to play, pause, stop, ff, reverse, select tracks)? It's not unheard of to need screen access for initial setup, but needing it for day-to-day playback operations would be something else, and I could see how it would be a deal-breaker.
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When you say you need to use a TV to use the Sony, do you mean a TV is necessary to make the necessary setup selections to play SACDs, or that you have to be able to see a screen simply to operate the machine (like to play, pause, stop, ff, reverse, select tracks)? It's not unheard of to need screen access for initial setup, but needing it for day-to-day playback operations would be something else, and I could see how it would be a deal-breaker.
Many of the Blu-Ray players that play SACD and are connected to the TV (via HDMI) need to have the TV on for playback. I noted that above that some may work by disconnecting the HDMI cable or temporarily changing the HDMI settings. When I'd break in a new amp or cable in a secondary system where I formerly had an Oppo 203, and leave the player on repeat overnight, if the HDMI was not disconnected it would stutter and then eventually stop. My Panasonic 9000 (which of course won't play SACDs) I have in my UHD system is the same (and I don't think it will play at all with the HDMI cable connected). I don't use it for music playback often (and it is files on my NAS, including CD quality and above) and I don't worry about it. It's the same with the Panasonic 820 I have in the upstairs bonus room. I previously had an Oppo 203 in those systems. For the once every year and a half or so I use systems like that, I don't worry about it. I have an Oppo 103D in a 2-channel system at the moment and it is connected via the analog outs to a modded Carver C-9 Sonic Hologram Generator and goes into the preamp> While I can play discs, virtually all of the time it reads files from my NAS. I just leave the TV on, turn down the HDMI volume (so the TV speaker isn't playing) and cover the screen and access the files via an iPad. The (HDMI) connection is needed as when the player starts up I need to navigate the menu to select the network files (and I don't use that often enough to warrant connecting and disconnecting as most of the time I use that system it is a small PC running JRiver reading files from the NAS and connected to a DAC, which in turn is connected to the preamp).
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The original poster of this topic mcdmdmd wrote on page 1 of this thread "Well, it looks like the Sony will only work well if combined with a television. So I am turning my attention to dedicated SACD player or transport. Any recommendations?
Now discussion is back to HDMI connected "solutions". If its a combined stereo for music plus home theater HDMI is fine. Using HDMI in the signal or control chain when a video display is not desired...all I can say is....
(https://www.relicsworld.com/images/quotes/abandon-hope-all-ye-who-enter-here-omnes-relinquite-spes-o-v-author-dante-alighieri.jpg)
By design HDMI is a two way interface between connected devices constantly updating status of each. Schemes beyond configuring a universal player's settings will run afoul of the HDMI dialog between devices if they include turning off or unplugging something. One also has the issue with game consoles and universal players without video displays of selecting the CD vs stereo DSD vs multi-channel DSD layers available on many SACD disks. The one trick pony CD/SACD stereo players know to just play the stereo tracks and can have a simple CD/SACD button to select layer.
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I ended up figuring out how to use the Sony 1100ES Blu-Ray player
Connected with a Toslink cable to a Cambridge Audio DACMagic 200M
Works great as a CD/SACD transport
Thanks to everyone