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Title: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: matthewpartrick on 18 Jun 2017, 07:40 pm
Got mine in the mail about a week ago and had time today (Father's day daddy time! :) ) to set it up.  All networked and RoonReady functioning.  I have Tidal via Roon and that's working well.  Will post pix when I can!
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: Grant Hill on 20 Jun 2017, 08:51 am
Hi matthewpartrick,

glad you're having fun with BDP3!  :thumb: Can I ask you which streamer/PC were you using before move to BDP3?

we will appreciate your pics

have a nice day!
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: matthewpartrick on 1 Jul 2017, 12:25 pm
I will try and get pix this weekend.  I was using the microrendu beforehand.
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: Grant Hill on 1 Jul 2017, 12:46 pm
Thanks! Have a nice weekend
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 1 Jul 2017, 01:20 pm
I'm envious.  :roll:

Enjoy it til the next one comes along... :lol:
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: bjski on 3 Jul 2017, 07:44 pm
Got mine in the mail about a week ago and had time today (Father's day daddy time! :) ) to set it up.  All networked and RoonReady functioning.  I have Tidal via Roon and that's working well.  Will post pix when I can!

Congratulations!
Still waiting for mine.
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: matthewpartrick on 27 Aug 2017, 12:03 pm
Wonder if the bryston guys would be willing to Sticky a BDP-3 thread.  So far I am blown away.  Seamless functionality with unsurpassed sound and awesome design aesthetics.  Bryston has a new lifelong customer.
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: James Tanner on 27 Aug 2017, 12:06 pm
Wonder if the bryston guys would be willing to Sticky a BDP-3 thread.  So far I am blown away.  Seamless functionality with unsurpassed sound and awesome design aesthetics.  Bryston has a new lifelong customer.

Sure be glad to - you're liking it aye!

james
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: gbaby on 31 Jan 2018, 03:41 pm
Got mine in the mail about a week ago and had time today (Father's day daddy time! :) ) to set it up.  All networked and RoonReady functioning.  I have Tidal via Roon and that's working well.  Will post pix when I can!

You will get a better sound from the BDP3 using your own imported digital files from CDs. Tidal does not provide the best sonic experience in my opinion.  :nono:
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: jtwrace on 31 Jan 2018, 03:53 pm
You will get a better sound from the BDP3 using your own imported digital files from CDs. Tidal does not provide the best sonic experience in my opinion.  :nono:
Tidal and imported Cd's is the same as long as you're using the $20 per month Tidal lossless version. 
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: gbaby on 31 Jan 2018, 03:58 pm
Tidal and imported Cd's is the same as long as you're using the $20 per month Tidal lossless version.

I find an imported aiff file to sound better than than Tidal lossless version.
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: Ola_S on 31 Jan 2018, 04:17 pm
The problem with streaming services like Tidal and Spotify is that they normally only provide remastered version of many records. These remastered versions are unfortunately very often completely destroyed  :cry:

There are three gentlemen from Sweden that want to stop this madness, I urge the readers here to back them

https://youtu.be/9PuI7lEQLD8


https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2090574984/ino-lab-audio-educational-podcasts

and

http://www.ino-lab.com
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: zoom25 on 31 Jan 2018, 05:55 pm
3 reasons why Tidal can sound different from local storage:

1) Local files are different from the ones Tidal have (different masters used).

2) Software difference (MPD vs Tidal through RAAT vs. Tidal native (not sure about the last)). With RAAT, there's constant network traffic on my BDP-1. I don't know if its better on the BDP-3 though with the larger memory. It'd be nice to preload the entire track in advance. Right now, if I unplug the ethernet cable on the BDP-1, the music stops very quickly. The buffer needs to be much bigger.

3) Hardware and noise differences due to accessories used (ethernet vs USB (flash, SSD, spinning)) and their power supplies.
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: NekoAudio on 31 Jan 2018, 08:58 pm
There have been some reports of audible watermarks in streaming services, which presumably would not exist on CDs.
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: unincognito on 1 Feb 2018, 12:07 am

Right now, if I unplug the ethernet cable on the BDP-1, the music stops very quickly. The buffer needs to be much bigger.

I don't believe this is an accurate way of testing if a file is entirely stored in memory or not.  MPD for instance will stop playing and remove tracks from a playlist ifot removed from the database.  I'm also not sure if I would want to wait for an entire track to download off the wen before it started playing.  I have a reasonably fast internet connection and it still takes about 20 seconds for a bdp to download the entire track from TIDAL.
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: zoom25 on 1 Feb 2018, 01:52 am
I don't believe this is an accurate way of testing if a file is entirely stored in memory or not.  MPD for instance will stop playing and remove tracks from a playlist ifot removed from the database.  I'm also not sure if I would want to wait for an entire track to download off the wen before it started playing.  I have a reasonably fast internet connection and it still takes about 20 seconds for a bdp to download the entire track from TIDAL.

I personally don't use TIDAL at the moment, but good point about getting instant play. It's certainly very fast with Roon and local files all connected by ethernet. I remember this issue being addressed by the Roon guys and the benefits/tradeoffs with regards to how other fully memory playback softwares like Audirvana or Amarra handle it.

Chris, can you outline how the data is handled in MPD vs. RAAT before being sent out to DAC? Let's assume both are connected by ethernet (NAS for MPD vs. Roon Core device). I always assumed that with RAAT, PCM is sent to BDP-1 and it goes through little to no conversion, but I'm told I'm apparently wrong? I assumed there would be more happening with MPD than RAAT? The CPU usage % is always lower in RoonReady against MPD (with database and other stuff turned off) - I'm not sure how indicative this is of what's actually happening.
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: James Tanner on 2 Mar 2018, 08:33 am

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=176917)
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: James Tanner on 7 May 2018, 03:49 pm
http://www.bryston.com/PDF/reviews/2018_05_Review_BDP-3.pdf

When using its built-in Media Player and playing local files, the BDP-3 further steps up the game and truly shines. In this mode, it actually performs on par with some of the very best digital sources that I have heard.
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: gbaby on 7 May 2018, 09:23 pm
http://www.bryston.com/PDF/reviews/2018_05_Review_BDP-3.pdf

When using its built-in Media Player and playing local files, the BDP-3 further steps up the game and truly shines. In this mode, it actually performs on par with some of the very best digital sources that I have heard.


I guess this translates to the fact that you can spend 20 or 30k for a digital player, but you won't find a better sounding one than the BDP3. :D
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: matthewpartrick on 11 May 2018, 12:12 pm
Not to pressure the guys at Bryston, but now that Roon 1.5 is MQA-ready, is this a possibility for the BDP3 in the future?
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: James Tanner on 11 May 2018, 12:18 pm
Not to pressure the guys at Bryston, but now that Roon 1.5 is MQA-ready, is this a possibility for the BDP3 in the future?

Nope

james
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: Grant Hill on 11 May 2018, 03:46 pm
Hi All,

talking about Roon, is still not possible to use BDP3 plus Roon without a PC/Core for Roon right?
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: Nordkapp on 1 Jun 2018, 07:53 pm
Guys. Need help. Just received my BDP3. I am unable to connect it to the internet. It's visible on My network and playing music however. The Ethernet led on back is flashing amber. I've rebooted everything multiple times. Firmware is current. My router is functioning. Is there a password needed somewhere to access the internet? The media player is present but reads "BDP has no internet connection". Thnx.
Addendum...Just updated the firmware successfully. It's playing files from the locally attached drive and also DLNA w/JRiver. Does all this sound fine? Is the Amber led flashing out back normal? Thnx.
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: schmidtmike76 on 2 Jun 2018, 12:42 pm
Does the BDP 3 beat the Pi sonically or do they sound the same?
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: Xinon on 9 Jun 2018, 09:06 am
My BDP-3 is loosing USB connection all the time, Im about to give up on it.
Small static pop and USB is gone, only BUC Board is visible in the Dashboard.
Restarting BDP-3 don't help, turning BDA-3 off/on brings it back, but only for so long.
Now ROON can't find it, even though it is on same network and showing BDP in Roon ready mode.
At this price point Im really disappointed with the stability and user friendliness of this device.
It is now in service mode Service ID 14.
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: James Tanner on 9 Jun 2018, 01:20 pm
Hi Xinon

Its always frustrating for us and the customer when they have issues with our gear.

We have thousands of BDP's out there now and have been trouble free for many of our customers for years.  Generally the problems are network related but I understand the BDP tends to get blamed when these issues occur but I am sure Chris will be able to help after he has a look at what's going on in your specific setup.

james
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: TJ-Sully on 10 Jun 2018, 03:21 am

...We have thousands of BDP's out there now and have been trouble free for many of our customers for years. 


Hi Xinon, I can attest to this. I have the early model BDP-1. it's been running for years without any significant issues. Once in awhile i need to power it off/on...and as soon as it fires up, it's rocking and rolling. Sorry to hear you're having issues, but if you can wait until Chris reaches out to you I'm sure thing will turn around for you. Hang in there!

TJ
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: NHSkier on 10 Jun 2018, 09:32 pm
My BDP-3 is loosing USB connection all the time, Im about to give up on it.
Small static pop and USB is gone, only BUC Board is visible in the Dashboard.
Restarting BDP-3 don't help, turning BDA-3 off/on brings it back, but only for so long.
Now ROON can't find it, even though it is on same network and showing BDP in Roon ready mode.
At this price point Im really disappointed with the stability and user friendliness of this device.
It is now in service mode Service ID 14.

If it's any consolation Xinon, I recently had problems with a similarly well supported Salk Streamplayer II. After a couple consultations with Jim, it turned out all my problems were due to network issues. My advice would be to stick with well supported devices like Bryston's and Salk's. The grass isn't greener on the other side.
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: unincognito on 11 Jun 2018, 05:22 pm
My BDP-3 is loosing USB connection all the time, Im about to give up on it.
Small static pop and USB is gone, only BUC Board is visible in the Dashboard.
Restarting BDP-3 don't help, turning BDA-3 off/on brings it back, but only for so long.
Now ROON can't find it, even though it is on same network and showing BDP in Roon ready mode.
At this price point Im really disappointed with the stability and user friendliness of this device.
It is now in service mode Service ID 14.

Hi Xinon,

Is the service ID still 14?  Also it might be best to arrange to arrange a time to call is possible.  In the mean time if you aren't already you may want to consider updating to the current test build.

http://support.bryston.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=248

Chris
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: Nick V on 11 Jun 2018, 09:29 pm
Quote
Quote from: matthewpartrick on 11 May 2018, 12:12 pm
Not to pressure the guys at Bryston, but now that Roon 1.5 is MQA-ready, is this a possibility for the BDP3 in the future?
Nope

james

I understand Bryston's stance on MQA. Having said that, with the BDPs, with version 1.5 can Roon now perform the first "software unfold" of MQA with Tidal Masters and send the 88.2 or 96kHz digital signal to the BDPs?

As a Tidal subscriber, I feel like there's some value in that. I'm currently considering a used BDP-2 or Auralic Aries.
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: Krutsch on 12 Jun 2018, 08:13 pm
I understand Bryston's stance on MQA. Having said that, with the BDPs, with version 1.5 can Roon now perform the first "software unfold" of MQA with Tidal Masters and send the 88.2 or 96kHz digital signal to the BDPs?

As a Tidal subscriber, I feel like there's some value in that. I'm currently considering a used BDP-2 or Auralic Aries.

Yes.
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: Xinon on 13 Jun 2018, 04:47 pm
Hi Xinon

Its always frustrating for us and the customer when they have issues with our gear.

We have thousands of BDP's out there now and have been trouble free for many of our customers for years.  Generally the problems are network related but I understand the BDP tends to get blamed when these issues occur but I am sure Chris will be able to help after he has a look at what's going on in your specific setup.

james

My english is not the best, I try to explain better.
I have no problem with network, I never loose the network connection with BDP-3.
I can see it and find it on my Mac in "my.bryston.com", I can go in and configure it without issue.

It is connected to bda-3 with USB.
After playing for a while, from either ROON or USB stick, there is a sharp "hiss" from speaker(like when something is short circuit) and the USB "handshake" between BDP-3 and BDA-3 is lost.
The BDP-3 still plays files, but there is no sound.
It sometimes plays the files as normal, but sometime just skipping through all files in playlist.
Sometimes it is enough to restart the DAC, or restart BDP and DAC.
And sometimes I need to go into the menu and select USB and save.
Have tried 4 different USB cable and still the same.
Tried USB1 and USB2 on dac, and different USB out on BDP.
Not tried AES/EBU in ages, but have cable and can try to see if this is stable.
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: Xinon on 13 Jun 2018, 05:08 pm
Hi Xinon,

Is the service ID still 14?  Also it might be best to arrange to arrange a time to call is possible.  In the mean time if you aren't already you may want to consider updating to the current test build.

http://support.bryston.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=248

Chris

Thanks Chris
Downloaded and installed the beta.
Testing now, 31 song playlist from Tidal playing.
Sound is of course excellent, if it is stable I will send you a bottle of Scotch :thumb:

Update:
7 songs and needed to restart DAC. BDP playing as normal, green USB light on DAC, but no sound.
Restart dac and push play on BDP and sound is back.

2  songs later the same happens.
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: Xinon on 13 Jun 2018, 05:45 pm
Just to eliminate Network, I take out ethernet cable and playing from USB stick using only the buttons now.

(Before I restarted the DAC I tried to push play, the DAC locks on 44K1, but no sound till after restart.)
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: unincognito on 13 Jun 2018, 08:24 pm
Just to eliminate Network, I take out ethernet cable and playing from USB stick using only the buttons now.

(Before I restarted the DAC I tried to push play, the DAC locks on 44K1, but no sound till after restart.)

Sorry I'm a little confused, are you using Roon or MPD?  I thought you had been using Roon and are you still using Roon or have you switched to MPD?

Chris
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: rfbdp1 on 14 Jun 2018, 03:20 am
Interesting review of BDP-3 in Hifi-Advice/ April 27 that prompted me to play files directly off hard drives attached to my BDP-2 instead of through Roon with files on the core computer. Anyone care to comment on differences in SQ between the two sources? I'm in process of selecting a few files to compare.
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: zoom25 on 14 Jun 2018, 04:47 am
Interesting review of BDP-3 in Hifi-Advice/ April 27 that prompted me to play files directly off hard drives attached to my BDP-2 instead of through Roon with files on the core computer. Anyone care to comment on differences in SQ between the two sources? I'm in process of selecting a few files to compare.

I, for one, think they sound identical. You are playing out of buffer. As long as it's filled in advance, that's all that matters.
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: Xinon on 14 Jun 2018, 05:16 pm
Sorry I'm a little confused, are you using Roon or MPD?  I thought you had been using Roon and are you still using Roon or have you switched to MPD?

Chris

I am using Roon, but to eliminate network issues i swithed to MPD and removed the ethernet cable.
Its strange because I use ROON on a Lumin D1(streamer) and Apple TV4 both through BDA-3, ATV4 wireless and Lumin with ethernet cable from the same router (as the BDP-3 also is hooked on to) with no issue.

Now Im beginning to suspect that maybe it is a network issue, because I played all evening yesterday on BDP-3(MPD) without any errors.
Maybe BDP-3 is more sensitive to small network issues or errors from Tidal, Tidal is not always stable, it sometimes is very slow.

Installed a new QNAP NAS today, and gonna change the ethernet cable from the router to BDP-3 next week.
Been playing some ripped albums from the new NAS today with ROON and BDP-3 and  no issues so far.
Maybe I came out a little strong blaming everything on the BDP-3, I sure hope so, cause the sound it makes is unbeatable.
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: unincognito on 14 Jun 2018, 11:50 pm
The problem with comparing mpd “offline” vs roon is your not necessarily isolating the network as the culprit as you have also changed which piece of software is rendering the audio.  Do local files play fine through roon and is it just tracks from TIDAL or is it both local files and tracks from TIDAL?  Can you use MPD to play files from a NAS or TIDAL (the beta/test build should have a TIDAL option in Media Player)?

Chris
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: James Tanner on 19 Jun 2018, 09:32 am
http://www.avsa.co.za/bryston-bdp-3-digital-player-the-honest-truth/
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: Xinon on 3 Jul 2018, 08:27 pm
The problem with comparing mpd “offline” vs roon is your not necessarily isolating the network as the culprit as you have also changed which piece of software is rendering the audio.  Do local files play fine through roon and is it just tracks from TIDAL or is it both local files and tracks from TIDAL?  Can you use MPD to play files from a NAS or TIDAL (the beta/test build should have a TIDAL option in Media Player)?

Chris

Sold it and the Bda3.
Using Lumin D1 witch never had a single problem.
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: matthewpartrick on 18 Jul 2018, 01:59 am
Does the BDP 3 beat the Pi sonically or do they sound the same?

Having had both the BDP3 has the edge. 
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: schmidtmike76 on 19 Jul 2018, 09:21 pm
Thanks Matt
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: gbaby on 30 Aug 2018, 11:54 pm
I just sent my BDP-2 off to be upgraded to the BDP-3, so I'll be joining you soon.  8)
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: Grit on 5 Sep 2018, 02:57 am
I'll bet this came up but I can't find it.

For connecting the BDP-3 to the BDA-3, whats the recommended connection? USB? S/PDIF? or AES/EBU?

And, what (if any) sonic differences are there?
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: Grant Hill on 5 Sep 2018, 09:57 am
I'll bet this came up but I can't find it.

For connecting the BDP-3 to the BDA-3, whats the recommended connection? USB? S/PDIF? or AES/EBU?

And, what (if any) sonic differences are there?

Hello,

I don't have the BDP3 but I think that Bryston says USB is the preferred one. it is the only input capable to play DSD and DXD, so it makes sense to use that way

BDA3 USB input is very good.

enjoy this great combo!

Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: TJ-Sully on 5 Sep 2018, 02:59 pm
I'll bet this came up but I can't find it. For connecting the BDP-3 to the BDA-3, whats the recommended connection? USB? S/PDIF? or AES/EBU? And, what (if any) sonic differences are there?

Hi Grit, I'm not an audio engineer by any means - and I am a few Bryston models behind you (BDP1>>BDA2) but my hunch is AES/EBU connections win. Especially if cable length is greater than say...50cm. 

I say this because of the inherent benefits of balanced cables...that is...elimination of electromagnetic interference (EMI), reduced distortion, common mode rejection,  a signal ground + a separate ground on the shell of the cable, and better shielding properties.

In terms of sonic difference, I would suggest the noise elimination of balanced cables lead to a signal that is cleaner and with better grounding - and, in my mind,  results in better sound!

I'm using Bryston's digital balanced cable to my BDA2 - it's available on their website under the "Store" for tab for $120.

Hope this helps.

TJ
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: Grit on 5 Sep 2018, 05:40 pm
Hello,

I don't have the BDP3 but I think that Bryston says USB is the preferred one. it is the only input capable to play DSD and DXD, so it makes sense to use that way

BDA3 USB input is very good.

enjoy this great combo!

I think the preference with the BDA2 was AES/EBU. I'm just wondering if the USB is preferred because it has more compatibility, or if it also sounds as good/better than S/PDIF or AES/EBU. I'm guessing it does, and its probably more about how the DAC handles the input than how the player outputs it. But I love to get input from others. (It's kind of a pain for me to switch cables, since everything is in a heavy cabinet against a wall).
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: zoom25 on 5 Sep 2018, 06:16 pm
For BDP-1 and BDP-2 feeding BDA-1 and BDA-2 in any order, AES has typically been preferred by users. James has also preferred AES with those combinations. With the BDP-3 and BDA-3 combination, James seems to now prefer USB over AES. I think he found it better focused and locked in when I asked him. I am not sure if USB will still be preferred on either the BDP-3 or BDA-3 if used without each other.

Here are some reviews that offer comparisons:

http://www.hifi-advice.com/blog/review/digital-reviews/network-player-reviews/bryston-bdp-3-digital-media-player/

https://www.alpha-audio.nl/2018/03/review-bryston-bdp-3-digital-player/7/ (Needs language conversion - use Chrome or google translate)

On my BDP-1 feeding my current DAC, I have preferred AES over (third place) and SPDIF (second place). I've even used the USB with and without Jitterbug.

Between SPDIF and AES, there is a slight difference in presentation that doesn't quite go away. I even controlled for length and wire material (brand) in this comparison. For AES I have 2 feet of Grimm TPR, 10 and 18 feet of Mogami 3173. For SPDIF, I have 2 feet, 6 feet, and 10 feet of Mogami 2964. So I have exact lengths at 2 feet and 10 feet for SPDIF and AES. Cable length can also make a difference in sound.

In direct comparison, I find the SPDIF more upfront, perhaps faster, and exciting sound with more sparkle in the treble. The AES on the other hand sounds more relaxed, slower but in a good way, and meatier in the bass. It's hard to put it into words. In fast switching, you may end up preferring SPDIF as it can come across more detailed. However, I do seem to like AES for long term listening where I forget about tweaking and the equipment.

I am not sure why this difference exists. I asked my DAC company and they weren't sure of why such differences may arise at such short distances. I know James has said that DACs seem to prefer the higher 4V voltage of the AES over the 0.5V of the SPDIF, and that AES naturally offers common-mode noise rejection. Still, I'd be curious to see measurements on how the AES and SPDIF actually measure in comparison to each other and what (if any) differences come out from the analog output of the DAC.
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 6 Sep 2018, 12:25 pm
Short answer:
For PCM, use whatever sounds best in your system.
For DSD: no choice but USB.

No individual is a final authority on what's "best". Do whatever sounds good in your system.

cheers
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: gbaby on 14 Oct 2018, 08:40 pm
My BDP-2 has returned as a BDP-3. When I compare its sound as a BDP-3, I find it an appreciable sonic improvement over the BDP-2. Specifically, I found the BDP-3 gave musical notes more depth and extension and amplified subtle sounds that were somewhat muted in past listening to almost all songs. In addition the BDP-3 seem to flatten out my bass response making it more linear, extended and deeper without boom. Its like free equalization for me.  :) I appreciate my transducers as they easily picked up the sonic improvements of the BDP-3. The USB output on the BDP-3 really sounds improved and at times exhibited a sound that was almost sweet for lack of a better choice of words. I am still listening to different compositions for a complete assessment of this unit, but for now its an A+. I do believe that the only way to make the BDP-3 play its maximum build potential is to use its built in Manic Moose using music on USB drives, preferably your own imported music on USB drives. See below:

http://www.hifi-advice.com/blog/review/digital-reviews/network-player-reviews/bryston-bdp-3-digital-media-player/
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: TJ-Sully on 14 Oct 2018, 11:44 pm
I enjoyed this review. Thanks for posting folks!
http://www.hifi-advice.com/blog/review/digital-reviews/network-player-reviews/bryston-bdp-3-digital-media-player/
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: James Tanner on 15 Oct 2018, 11:57 am

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=185500)
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: gbaby on 15 Oct 2018, 02:13 pm
I enjoyed this review. Thanks for posting folks!
http://www.hifi-advice.com/blog/review/digital-reviews/network-player-reviews/bryston-bdp-3-digital-media-player/

You mean, thanks for posting, gbaby. :lol:
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: alexone on 5 Dec 2018, 09:05 am
James or anyone who knows it:

is it possible to upgrade the RAM or the processor of the BDP-3??

in other words: can Bryston update the BDP-3's hardwear in any way or would it be necessary to design a BDP-4?

al.

Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: gbaby on 6 Dec 2018, 03:52 am
James or anyone who knows it:

is it possible to upgrade the RAM or the processor of the BDP-3??

in other words: can Bryston update the BDP-3's hardwear in any way or would it be necessary to design a BDP-4?

al.

Why are you asking a question such as this? Are you dissatisfied with the current codec specs? :o
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: alexone on 6 Dec 2018, 11:48 am
gbaby,

i'm not asking because i find that the technical specs are not enough. i just wanted to know if the BDP-3 can get an upgrade if Bryston wants to have a ''better'' processor or more RAM or whatever to probably improve the BDP's performance.

for example: the BDP-2 is upgradeable to a BDP-3 if the customer wants it...

al.
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: unincognito on 6 Dec 2018, 02:58 pm
gbaby,

i'm not asking because i find that the technical specs are not enough. i just wanted to know if the BDP-3 can get an upgrade if Bryston wants to have a ''better'' processor or more RAM or whatever to probably improve the BDP's power.

for example: the BDP-2 is upgradeable to a BDP-3 if the customer wants it...

al.

The last ten years or so we've seen a steady decrease in power consumption and a steady increase in performance from chip manufacturers like Intel and AMD, this is one of the main reasons we could offer the BDP-2 upgrades to BDP-3's as the new system board had more process power for a similar amount of power consumption and produced far less heat (BDP-3's run about 10C cooler then BDP-2's).  The other main factor was how similar a BDP-2 and 3, they both share many same parts and as many of the BDP-3 parts were designed to be backwards compatible to the BDP-2 so we could continue to service the BDP-2 longer.  These two factors lead to the upgrade kit for BDP-2 owners, so with that said I won't say the BDP-3's will be upgrade-able to BDP-4's (primarily because nothing outside of my imagination exists for it yet), but if we see a path that makes its possible and viable then we most certainly will.

Also I'm a bit surprised you think the BDP-3 isn't powerful enough?

Chris
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 6 Dec 2018, 05:01 pm
Also I'm a bit surprised you think the BDP-3 isn't powerful enough?

Chris

+1 on Chris.
My -2 has more than enough "juice" to power two USB drives (each 2-TB) and then some. Can't imagine what the -3 would bring that's worth the extra $$ as a hardware upgrade from the -2.

cheers
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: alexone on 6 Dec 2018, 06:07 pm
Chris,

thanks for your answer. and i agree with you that the BDP-3 is certainly powerful enough :thumb:. no doubt about it.
i was just asking just in case IF the need arises to do an upgrade to the BDP-3 what would be Bryston's decision then ?!

all i need to know is in your answer above :wink:

the BDP-1 was first released in 2010 or 2011 i think. now it's 2018 and the BDP-3 is there. i would say that the BDP has gotten the quickest upgrades compared to other Bryston products...


al.

Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 6 Dec 2018, 07:12 pm
^ hmmm don't know about the quickest -- BP17 got upgraded to a cubed pretty quickly.
3-4 years?

cheers
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: alexone on 6 Dec 2018, 07:15 pm

...might be. but the change from 16 to 17 was a few years longer if memory serves me right.

al.
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: zoom25 on 6 Dec 2018, 10:39 pm
What features would necessitate a BDP-4?

There would have to be a reason for BDP-4 to exist over the BDP-3. Some things I can think of:

1) Offer better sound quality.
2) Can serve as a Roon Core as well, rather just as an endpoint. Perhaps think of it as an even higher-end Nucleus.
3) Network Fiber inputs (Lumin recently started offering this). I don't know if Bryston engineering has examined fiber and whether they think there are any benefits over standard copper ethernet in any circumstances.

Right now, I am still using the BDP-1 with Roon, so I don't have a need for the BDP-2 or BDP-3 from a functional standpoint to handle larger libraries, since the computer (iMac) is responsible for library management. In my current usage, the BDP-2/3 upgrade would only be for SQ purposes.

BTW what's the current library limit on BDP-3 with MPD use and Manic Moose (or the next iteration) database?
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: schmidtmike76 on 7 Dec 2018, 03:24 pm
Does the BDP sonically sound better than the Pi running roon?  Thoughts
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: jtinto on 7 Dec 2018, 03:42 pm
Does the BDP sonically sound better than the Pi running roon?  Thoughts

Funny. I asked myself the same question just yesterday when reading zoom25's post.

I have a BDP-3 that I'm now running as a Roon endpoint. The sound seems very comparable to before Roon, running the Bryston DB.

I don't have a BDP-1 2 or Pi to compare.
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: gbaby on 8 Dec 2018, 12:09 am
Does the BDP sonically sound better than the Pi running roon?  Thoughts

The BDP-3 will sound its best using Manic Moose MPD, period. You use other software at your own convenience as long as you know you'll not going the get the ultimate sound quality ,but fancy graphics, from the others.
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: Calypte on 8 Dec 2018, 05:11 am
Why would the interface software affect the sound?  I can see issues of convenience and organization, but sound?
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: zoom25 on 8 Dec 2018, 06:29 am
@schmidtmike76 I have also been interested (academically at this point) in how the BDP-1, BDP-1 USB, BDP-pi, BDP-2, and BDP-3 would compare sonically in Roon Ready mode with everything disabled. Some devices have wifi capability, but shouldn't be used for the comparison. For this test, all devices should be connected via ethernet. Additionally, no USB devices should be connected to the device. The internal devices should also be removed. Same digital cables/connector of same length should be used. Three of the devices have AES, while the BDP-1 USB has USB only and the pi only has coax. That's another thing to consider.

If one wanted to compare MPD against Roon for SQ, the only fair way would be to have them both working over wired ethernet (NAS required for MPD). No usage of USB devices for MPD. Everything should be disabled and nothing plugged into the BDP's USB port.

Both MPD and Roon are bit perfect as long as you don't engage in any DSP. If there are any differences sonically between these two mode, they can arise  from 2 possible ways. USB vs ethernet connections. If you are using USB devices such as flash drives or portable hard drives for MPD, it is possible they can be adding noise and modulating the performance of the sound card portion of the BDP. Chris Rice has alluded to this in the past, as has the developer of Auralic products. For example, Chris has previously mentioned the "billions of transistors" in SSDs injecting noise. Even James in the past has said that he finds slight differences in SQ between portable spinning hard drives vs. small thumb drives.

This is why I think eliminating USB devices altogether is the best option and also serves as a good control. When both MPD and Roon runs from ethernet, the data is coming from the same path and no additional devices could be influencing the SQ. If there is any difference in SQ in this minimal hardware configuration, the only logical argument would be that the differences in CPU processing has an electrical impact on the performance of the digital output of the BDP. As opposed to the USB vs. ethernet differences which are external, this difference in Roon vs. MPD would arise from internal mechanisms.

Hope that makes sense.

(I know Bryston's always been reserved in their opinions concerning SQ, but it would be lovely to hear from anyone at Bryston based on either objective data or simply their subjective impressions as to how to get the best SQ out of the BDP. If they think all these mode offer identical SQ, I'd be glad in hearing that as well. ANYTHING besides "whichever one sounds the best to you" lol. There's only so much a customer can do on their own end when it comes to testing. C'mon Bryston, I'll take anything :)

Cheers!
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 8 Dec 2018, 11:36 am
ANYTHING besides "whichever one sounds the best to you" lol. There's only so much a customer can do on their own end when it comes to testing. C'mon Bryston, I'll take anything :)

Cheers!

LOL right back at you.

Most customers buy gear to enjoy the music with as much transparency as their ears (and wallet) can discern. They don't have the time or know-how to "test" electronics along the lines that you claim to be definitive.

So, go enjoy some great music instead of fiddling with internals of gear (Bryston's) that's already exceedingly well engineered for SOTA performance.

cheers
 :popcorn:
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: James Tanner on 8 Dec 2018, 12:40 pm
OK I'll bite.

At home and at shows I use MPD with an internal rotary USB drive. :)

james
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 8 Dec 2018, 03:53 pm
Good balancing act!   :thumb:
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: dubkarma on 8 Dec 2018, 08:44 pm
I'm also enjoying 600 GB of ripped CDs using the BDP-3 with the Bryston Media Player reading a USB hard drive. Awaiting an SSD drive to be installed inside the BDP-3.

But I also use Roon with a QNAP NAS which I cannot get working with the BDP-3.

Followed the instructions in the BDP-3 manual, but I cannot get Roon to recognize the BDP-3.

Any tips on troubleshooting this issue would be greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: jtinto on 8 Dec 2018, 10:03 pm
After comparing MPD vs Roon, bit perfect without any DSP, I'm satisfied with the comparable sound quality.

I just upgraded my Roon core server to the new Mac mini. Wow, is it ever a nice pro level headless server now that it has the latest/fastest memory, SSD and eighth-gen Intel i3 processor. A no-brainer when I compared to the latest Intel NUCs or ROCK.

My system is simple, with all of my music files on a Synology NAS, the Mac mini core, Macbook Pro remote and BDP-3 endpoint.
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 9 Dec 2018, 01:30 am
Wooden USB rotaries are great -- fuller midrange.  8)

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=187753)


Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: schmidtmike76 on 9 Dec 2018, 02:25 am
@schmidtmike76 I have also been interested (academically at this point) in how the BDP-1, BDP-1 USB, BDP-pi, BDP-2, and BDP-3 would compare sonically in Roon Ready mode with everything disabled. Some devices have wifi capability, but shouldn't be used for the comparison. For this test, all devices should be connected via ethernet. Additionally, no USB devices should be connected to the device. The internal devices should also be removed. Same digital cables/connector of same length should be used. Three of the devices have AES, while the BDP-1 USB has USB only and the pi only has coax. That's another thing to consider.

If one wanted to compare MPD against Roon for SQ, the only fair way would be to have them both working over wired ethernet (NAS required for MPD). No usage of USB devices for MPD. Everything should be disabled and nothing plugged into the BDP's USB port.

Both MPD and Roon are bit perfect as long as you don't engage in any DSP. If there are any differences sonically between these two mode, they can arise  from 2 possible ways. USB vs ethernet connections. If you are using USB devices such as flash drives or portable hard drives for MPD, it is possible they can be adding noise and modulating the performance of the sound card portion of the BDP. Chris Rice has alluded to this in the past, as has the developer of Auralic products. For example, Chris has previously mentioned the "billions of transistors" in SSDs injecting noise. Even James in the past has said that he finds slight differences in SQ between portable spinning hard drives vs. small thumb drives.

This is why I think eliminating USB devices altogether is the best option and also serves as a good control. When both MPD and Roon runs from ethernet, the data is coming from the same path and no additional devices could be influencing the SQ. If there is any difference in SQ in this minimal hardware configuration, the only logical argument would be that the differences in CPU processing has an electrical impact on the performance of the digital output of the BDP. As opposed to the USB vs. ethernet differences which are external, this difference in Roon vs. MPD would arise from internal mechanisms.

Hope that makes sense.

(I know Bryston's always been reserved in their opinions concerning SQ, but it would be lovely to hear from anyone at Bryston based on either objective data or simply their subjective impressions as to how to get the best SQ out of the BDP. If they think all these mode offer identical SQ, I'd be glad in hearing that as well. ANYTHING besides "whichever one sounds the best to you" lol. There's only so much a customer can do on their own end when it comes to testing. C'mon Bryston, I'll take anything :)

Cheers!
thanks Zoom what a great response!  My dealer from Calgary got me on to Roon using my iMac in another room.  From the modem I’m wired via Ethernet cord I said from the beginning hard wired always sounds better.  Wrong, boy I was wrong he was so right about wifi transferring.  I had a portable drive into my Pi first and it sounded great.  Roon wifi into the Pi is a step above that, now would a better sound card be sonically ahead vs the Pi?
I’ve never lagged even with MQA and HD transfers
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: James Tanner on 13 Dec 2018, 05:57 pm
Hi Folks,

Review from German magazine on the BDP-3 - been told its exceptional 
:thumb:

I have the PDF if anyone wants it.


(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=187939)

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=187940)

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=187941)

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=187942)

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=187943)

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=187944)



Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: zoom25 on 13 Dec 2018, 08:23 pm
OK I'll bite.

At home and at shows I use MPD with an internal rotary USB drive. :)

james

What's the biggest size (TB) that can be mounted inside the BDP-2 and BDP-3?
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: unincognito on 13 Dec 2018, 09:06 pm
What's the biggest size (TB) that can be mounted inside the BDP-2 and BDP-3?

safely, BDP-2 2TB, BDP-3 should be able to go up to 5TB without issue

Chris
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: alexone on 13 Dec 2018, 09:43 pm

...ah, sounds good, Chris :thumb:

al.
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: Grant Hill on 14 Dec 2018, 09:09 am
safely, BDP-2 2TB, BDP-3 should be able to go up to 5TB without issue

Chris

cool, but the internal disk's space is limited to 2,5 units, isn't it?
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: unincognito on 14 Dec 2018, 04:02 pm
cool, but the internal disk's space is limited to 2,5 units, isn't it?

Correct
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: James Tanner on 14 Dec 2018, 08:19 pm
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=187956)

MEMO: To All Bryston Dealers and Distributors
SUBJECT: Bryston BDP-3 Player – German Review

December, 2018

Hi Folks,

We received an outstanding review on the Bryston BDP-3 Digital Player in a very prestigious German magazine.

For those that speak German I have the complete PDF (13 Meg) available if you want a copy -  (jamestanner@bryston.com).


Favourate Quotes in English:

•   No matter what type of signal we feed this Bryston player it puts out the needed characteristics. But at the same time it never sounds strained or muffled.

•   The Bryston BDP-3 does almost everything right. Mass storage, NAS, streaming services or internet radio - this player doesn't care about the source. It dominates all formats and delivers hi res in almost all situations.

•   Connectivity is well thought out and the use of technology and workmanship are first class.

•   If you are looking for a consistent digital source in order to listen to your music instead of your gear you'll find it at Bryston.

•   Not many source components are made in such a way to play back music so precisely. All digital options are provided and the player always extracts the very best of every bit.

•   A flexible source player with character and not with airs and graces.


Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: Grant Hill on 15 Dec 2018, 02:16 pm
Correct

I think the largest available at that size is 3T maximum… if you want more you have to connect an external hard disk
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: zoom25 on 15 Dec 2018, 09:34 pm
thanks Zoom what a great response!  My dealer from Calgary got me on to Roon using my iMac in another room.  From the modem I’m wired via Ethernet cord I said from the beginning hard wired always sounds better.  Wrong, boy I was wrong he was so right about wifi transferring.  I had a portable drive into my Pi first and it sounded great.  Roon wifi into the Pi is a step above that, now would a better sound card be sonically ahead vs the Pi?
I’ve never lagged even with MQA and HD transfers

If I had to speculate, I'd imagine the full sized BDPs to sound better than the Pi. The Pi has a coaxial, hdmi, usb, and optical output, whereas the full sized BDP have AES, coax, along with USB. I'm guessing the best output on the BDP-pi is the coax? On the full sized BDPs, AES has typically bettered coax and USB performance (until a BDP-3 + BDA-3 USB stack at least...as some like James claim). You could try a coax from BDP-pi against the coax from the full sized BDPs for a straight up comparison. However, AES is what's recommended by most users and James/Bryston (as noted in BDP(x) manuals) based on listening.

Regarding best playback method, it's what James cleverly said: MPD with internal drive (spinning over SSD).

That option is probably the cleanest and the least 'expensive' option overall when it comes to CPU and resource consumption. Again, this is only my speculation.

Regarding MPD vs. Roon, this is what Roon's CTO had to say about the BDP-1: https://community.roonlabs.com/t/huge-number-of-lost-pcm-samples-in-network-endpoint-output-alsa-software-device/13182/15

Quote
RAAT and MPD are really very different systems. One is a media player. The other is audio distribution infrastructure designed to produce interoperability across dozens of manufacturers + DIYers with the absolute minimum of required firmware updates in the wild.

RAAT uses a dynamically defined network protocol. This means that we can fix bugs and make improvements to code running on RAAT devices without waiting for each company to release firmware updates, and without forcing users to go through manual update processes. Dynamically defined network protocols present a different workload than inflexible “baked-in” protocols, and also a different workload than decoding media (which often benefits greatly from CPU features like MMX/SSE).

Exactly how each kind of thing plays out on each device varies based on too many factors.

The BDP-1, in particular, is somewhat unique among Roon Ready devices: it uses a rather primitive embedded x86 CPU 10. It is cache poor, and fairly archaic in its approaches to branch prediction, out-of-order execution, etc. It does have MMX, though. This combination of tradeoffs would make a workload like RAAT (primarily protocol unpacking, interpreting dynamic network protocol, packet reassembly) more challenging for that CPU than a workload like FLAC->ALSA (MMX and memcpy).

Overall, I don’t put huge stock in this sort of comparison. Assuming Bryston has done their job well, and I believe that they have, modest differences in CPU usage should not be allowed to impact the sound quality. There is a lot of “it depends” in constructing a test and measuring this sort of thing. I brought up “differences” in CPU usage patterns to draw attention to the fact that RAAT and MPD take extremely different approaches to audio playback, not to suggest a mechanism of causation for a particular anecdotal report.

This is a good overview of the design goals of RAAT. 21. It might be a little bit surprising how much non-audio-related stuff is required to make a protocol like this successful. Getting audio playback right is just table stakes.

MPD probably creates less noise than Roon within the BDP device itself. MPD can be done via network NAS, USB ports, or internal SATA. The internal option should involve the least processing and thus the least noise, followed by USB, and then network. That's how I've put it together in my head based on comments from different manufacturers including Bryston.

All this so far has to do with noise created by the device itself. The goal is to minimize it. There can also be noise from external USB and internal sources such as hard drives or SSD. In the past I've done comparisons with portable USB hard drives and flash drives and did note differences which I've posted on this forum. I've not tried full sized SSDs with the BDP. I'm not sure how all these compare electrically to each other. Chris has hinted at the billions of transistors of SSD previously. James on two occasions has recommended mounting a rotary drive internally. I'm not sure if that was geared from a sonic and/or value standpoint. The 2.5" 5400 RPM portable WD drives I have are inaudible from 2 feet away in a silent room. With music playing at low levels, they become completely inaudible from any distance. You have to touch the chassis to confirm whether they are spinning or not. Thus, they behave like SSDs as far as acoustic noise levels are concerned. Only their electrical properties remain of importance, along with transfer speeds.

Additionally, I'd have liked to known where the level of noise from these various external sources compares with the noise generated from internal processes such as RAAT or MPD, and if there is a hierarchy of what's the most important when it comes to SQ. You'd need Bryston's measurements or your own measuring gear to empirically answer this. Or you could use your own ears. With me, I can typically pick up the differences and do it consistently, but can find it tricky to answer "what's best?" Everyone's internal audiophile barometer differs as to what's best or if A vs. B sounds better.

Until then:

Quote
OK I'll bite.

At home and at shows I use MPD with an internal rotary USB drive. :)

james

:popcorn:
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: witchdoctor on 16 Dec 2018, 03:01 pm
Strictly for streaming Tidal how does the BD Pi compare to the BDP-3?
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: unincognito on 17 Dec 2018, 01:59 pm
I think the largest available at that size is 3T maximum… if you want more you have to connect an external hard disk

They just add more platters

https://m.newegg.ca/products/N82E16822179104

Chris
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: Grant Hill on 18 Dec 2018, 08:16 am
thank you Chris! would you reccomend that Seagate as internal drive for BDP3?
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: unincognito on 18 Dec 2018, 11:35 am
thank you Chris! would you reccomend that Seagate as internal drive for BDP3?

I haven't heard of any boot problems as of yet with the BDP-3, but you may need to place it in service mode and have us format the drive remotely though.

Chris
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: Grant Hill on 18 Dec 2018, 03:44 pm
I haven't heard of any boot problems as of yet with the BDP-3, but you may need to place it in service mode and have us format the drive remotely though.

Chris

thanks a lot - this was just out of curiosity, so no issues at the moment
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: James Tanner on 15 Jan 2019, 03:37 pm

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=189118)


Hi Folks,

I have an English translation of a recent German review on our Bryston BDP-3 Digital Player in HIFI Magazine for Digital HiFi

My thanks to Peter Ullman for yet another translation.

Peter is 95 years old and still an avid audiophile with an excellent system. Peter recently lost his wife of 72 years and I thank him for his commitment to our hobby and his help over these many years undertaking our many German to English translations.

Much appreciated Peter!

James


Email me if you want a copy - jamestanner@bryston.com
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: dubkarma on 22 Jan 2019, 05:06 pm
I installed a 2TB SSD drive in my BDP-3. One of the messages I get is "cannot create file directory."

Worse than that, the BDP-3 now no longer recognizes the external hard drive I was using. So I've got an expensive metal box!

On top of that, compared to Roon, using the BDP software is positively baffling.

Very disappointing! Plugging an HDD or SSD into my Oppo or MSB player, by contrast, works flawlessly.

I'd sell the BDP-3 except I cannot in good conscience offer for sale a component that doesn't work.

After 30 years, the first Bryston component I must warn friends to avoid.

Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: unincognito on 22 Jan 2019, 08:38 pm
I installed a 2TB SSD drive in my BDP-3. One of the messages I get is "cannot create file directory."

If you place the BDP into service mode and email us the service id we can see what wrong with the SSD remotely and possibly resolve the issue.

http://support.bryston.com/downloads/BDP/Manic%20Moose%20Manual.pdf

Chris
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: wplash666 on 27 Jan 2019, 05:21 pm
I absolutely love the BDP-3!!! ( It made it possible for this poor boy to get a  fairly new 2016 model BDP-2 for less than 1/2 price. Best sounding piece of gear I have ever owned.)
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: dubkarma on 31 Jan 2019, 05:46 pm
I find an imported aiff file to sound better than than Tidal lossless version.

I find .aiff and .wav files made from my ripped CDs, stored on the BDP-3 on an internal SSD, sound better than Tidal lossless. I also find they sound better than the same files accessed from an HDD on my Qnap NAS.

But, I have to say, CDs played from my MSB transport to the same DAC I use with the BDP-3 sound better than the same albums saved as uncompressed computer files. I suspect that's because of the MSB Pro i2S connection between the transport and the DAC vs. the AES connection between the BDP-3 and the DAC.

However, I'll soon be installing MSB's network renderer in the DAC and that may level the playing field. . .

On the other hand, I can't figure out how to transfer music files to or from the BDP-3 without removing the internal SSD drive and downloading them from my computer. The BDP-3 shows up on my network, but any attempt to access it over the network produces the message "Connection Failed."

Any tips appreciated!
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: unincognito on 1 Feb 2019, 04:43 pm
I find .aiff and .wav files made from my ripped CDs, stored on the BDP-3 on an internal SSD, sound better than Tidal lossless. I also find they sound better than the same files accessed from an HDD on my Qnap NAS.

But, I have to say, CDs played from my MSB transport to the same DAC I use with the BDP-3 sound better than the same albums saved as uncompressed computer files. I suspect that's because of the MSB Pro i2S connection between the transport and the DAC vs. the AES connection between the BDP-3 and the DAC.

However, I'll soon be installing MSB's network renderer in the DAC and that may level the playing field. . .

On the other hand, I can't figure out how to transfer music files to or from the BDP-3 without removing the internal SSD drive and downloading them from my computer. The BDP-3 shows up on my network, but any attempt to access it over the network produces the message "Connection Failed."

Any tips appreciated!

The BDP creates a network share for each drive attached to it, you should see the BDP as a network share.

Chris
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: matthewpartrick on 1 Feb 2019, 05:03 pm
18 months into ownership and this gem still shines brightly.  I currently have it streaming to a Vinnie Rossi LIO DHT PRE and DAC2, through a VR 120 amp, and Joseph Audio Pulsars.  An excellent setup!  I'd still like to enjoy MQA in full rendering, just sayin. :)
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: dubkarma on 2 Feb 2019, 04:14 pm
The BDP creates a network share for each drive attached to it, you should see the BDP as a network share. Chris

Not sure what a "network share" means, but, as I said, I have an icon for the BDP-3 in my Network section, but the only thing I can think of doing is to double-click on it and that invariably produces the message "connection failed."
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: unincognito on 5 Feb 2019, 05:25 pm
Not sure what a "network share" means, but, as I said, I have an icon for the BDP-3 in my Network section, but the only thing I can think of doing is to double-click on it and that invariably produces the message "connection failed."

might help us to give you more accurate direction if you could share if your using PC or Mac.

Chris
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: dubkarma on 5 Feb 2019, 05:50 pm
Sorry—should have mentioned platform.

iMac running OS Mojave 10.14.2

All the drives, etc. on my network appear as icons just as does the BDP-3 icon.

The difference is that when I click on, say, the icon for my Mac laptop, I have instant access to it, but when I click on the BDP-3 icon, I get that already-mentioned "connection failed" message.
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: SFOX on 5 Feb 2019, 11:23 pm
James

Couple BDP-2 questions ...

Does Bryston have any new BDP-2 units left in stock ?

When did the IAD start being installed in the BDP-2 at the factory ?


Steven
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: James Tanner on 5 Feb 2019, 11:57 pm
James

Couple BDP-2 questions ...

Does Bryston have any new BDP-2 units left in stock ?

When did the IAD start being installed in the BDP-2 at the factory ?


Steven

Hi Steven

No sorry the BDP-2's are long gone.

The new IAD was just before the release of the BDP-3.

james
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: unincognito on 6 Feb 2019, 02:06 pm
Sorry—should have mentioned platform.

iMac running OS Mojave 10.14.2

All the drives, etc. on my network appear as icons just as does the BDP-3 icon.

The difference is that when I click on, say, the icon for my Mac laptop, I have instant access to it, but when I click on the BDP-3 icon, I get that already-mentioned "connection failed" message.

Shortly after selecting the BDP there should be a "connect as" button that will ask for a username and password, the default for both is just "bryston" without quotes.

Chris
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: dubkarma on 6 Feb 2019, 04:42 pm
Chris,

Thanks for the tip. Unfortunately, I don't get that button when I select BDP-3. That indeed is the problem!
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: unincognito on 6 Feb 2019, 08:36 pm
Chris,

Thanks for the tip. Unfortunately, I don't get that button when I select BDP-3. That indeed is the problem!

https://www.dropbox.com/s/nprctm6bfmxzfg8/remote%20connect.mov?dl=0
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: gdbalp on 6 Feb 2019, 10:00 pm
Hi Chris,

Can the BDP-3 be used to send multi-channel audio signal (DVD-Audio/SACD files) through the HDMI or USB output ports to an AVR - like SP3?

Luigi
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: unincognito on 7 Feb 2019, 09:34 pm
We don't support it, but if we did the HDMI might be able do it as it should be part of the HDMI spec.  Currently there isn't support and as far as I am aware isn't possible as we would need to provide an alternative player to handling playback of the multi channel audio as MPD is purely two channel.

Chris
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: gdbalp on 8 Feb 2019, 04:56 am
Hi Chris,

Thanks for the reply to my question for the multi-channel audio...

It would be a great feature, making the BDP-3 player an all in one music player... OPPO Blu-ray players can do this today, but I am sure BDP-3 would sound better with this feature....

Luigi 
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: gbaby on 8 Feb 2019, 10:45 pm
Hi Chris,

Thanks for the reply to my question for the multi-channel audio...

It would be a great feature, making the BDP-3 player an all in one music player... OPPO Blu-ray players can do this today, but I am sure BDP-3 would sound better with this feature....

Luigi

However, the BDP will play DTS-CD in 5.1 DTS if you have DTS on your processor or receiver. I know because I have about 6 DTS-CD coming from the BDP-3 in 5.1. :o
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: James Tanner on 2 Apr 2019, 10:22 pm
To Conclude:

We had great pleasure serving and listening to music with this wonderful Bryston BDP-3 streamer, and also discovering it, and decided to award it our

Bryston BDP-3 Qobuzissime Award


(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=192819)

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=192820)

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=192821)

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=192822)

Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: docder on 4 Apr 2019, 01:01 pm
It's good to see this positive report from Qobuz, and I'm looking forward to having Qobuz implemented on the BDP, in fact, I'm checking everyday for the update. Any news forthcoming on when this is likely to happen?
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: unincognito on 4 Apr 2019, 02:03 pm
Aiming for a Friday release, but I may just release it as a test release Friday and wait for Monday for the official release

http://support.bryston.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=248
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: docder on 5 Apr 2019, 03:12 pm
Thanks, Chris, excellent. I'll run a beta update check later today here in the UK.
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: docder on 7 Apr 2019, 11:39 am
Hi Chris, new beta with Qobuz installed successfully on BDP-1. I have a large Qobuz library but it only took a few minutes to load up after signing in. First attempt to play a track gave stuttering playback but selecting the file again in the playlist sorted it out and we had a clean and relaxing file playing. Selecting another album led to a pause as it loaded, so not an immediate switch, but less than minute for a 24/44.1 file. Slower load, I guess, could be because of the limits of the BDP-1 processor? [It's time I upgraded to a BDP-3].
Anyway, fantastic to see Qobuz working within the Bryston MPD.
Will there eventually be a Qobuz selection in Applications as there is for Tidal?

D
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: unincognito on 7 Apr 2019, 12:55 pm
Hi Chris, new beta with Qobuz installed successfully on BDP-1. I have a large Qobuz library but it only took a few minutes to load up after signing in. First attempt to play a track gave stuttering playback but selecting the file again in the playlist sorted it out and we had a clean and relaxing file playing. Selecting another album led to a pause as it loaded, so not an immediate switch, but less than minute for a 24/44.1 file. Slower load, I guess, could be because of the limits of the BDP-1 processor? [It's time I upgraded to a BDP-3].
Anyway, fantastic to see Qobuz working within the Bryston MPD.
Will there eventually be a Qobuz selection in Applications as there is for Tidal?

D

I'll do some more testing when I get home, I do recall the BDP-1 did struggle a bit, but I remember it playing fine; however it may require the resolution to be limited.  We are abandoning the separate app concept and trying the integrate everything into media player.  If you have a request or suggestion you'd like to see we are certainly open to it, but please keep the aforementioned in mind.

Chris
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: docder on 7 Apr 2019, 09:05 pm
Well, I would say it has been a good day with Qobuz in MPD on the BDP-1. Even 24/96 files are playing cleanly and freely, with sometimes a little struggle of a stutter/wobble as a track kicks in.  Sounds superb. I am happy with Qobuz being in the MPD selection list if it works like it has today. I am playing BDP-1, from my Qobuz Favourite albums, via USB out to Chord Hugo M Scaler/TT2 DAC into Naim amps. I will be giving this set- up a lot of further attention this week.
Thanks Chris, a great start.

D
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: docder on 9 Apr 2019, 10:03 am
Hi Chris,

I note in the email Gary has sent out that it says there is a 16/48 limit on Qobuz with the BDP-1.
Is the limit built in to the 04/08/019 firmware release or is it more a recommendation for full play facility for the user to restrict. I still have the beta update running and it is coping well enough with higher resolution files for me to stay with it rather than be limited.
Either way, I have BDP-3 demo scheduled ...
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: unincognito on 9 Apr 2019, 01:45 pm
The current stable release caps BDP-1's at 16bit, i played around with it briefly yesterday and it seemed to crash shortly after playing a 24bit file.  I also didn't have a scratch drive set on the unit, maybe this is the difference between my testing and yours?  I may lift the limitation and alternatively prompt BDP-1 users of possible instability issues rather then preventing 24bit material all together.

Chris
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: docder on 9 Apr 2019, 07:34 pm
Thanks, Chris. a few days ago I had set up a fresh scratch disc so maybe that helped my BDP-1 cope with the larger files. Last night, once an album was underway I did not have any significant playing faults with 24/96 files, maybe once or twice I had a bit of a pause when I switched albums or jumped songs.
Anyway, I had the BDP-3 demo today and I now own the latest BDP rather than one of the earliest produced. So onward with Qobuz.
BTW, what is the difference between the Qobuz 24 bit and Studio options? I have a Sublime subscription here in Europe which I believe is Studio + downloads. So I guess I ought to select Studio as the MDP quality option?
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: unincognito on 9 Apr 2019, 07:52 pm
Thanks, Chris. a few days ago I had set up a fresh scratch disc so maybe that helped my BDP-1 cope with the larger files. Last night, once an album was underway I did not have any significant playing faults with 24/96 files, maybe once or twice I had a bit of a pause when I switched albums or jumped songs.
Anyway, I had the BDP-3 demo today and I now own the latest BDP rather than one of the earliest produced. So onward with Qobuz.
BTW, what is the difference between the Qobuz 24 bit and Studio options? I have a Sublime subscription here in Europe which I believe is Studio + downloads. So I guess I ought to select Studio as the MDP quality option?

The 24bit option maxes out at 96khz where as studio can go all the way up to 192khz.
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: docder on 10 Apr 2019, 11:28 pm
Is there a link to instructions on how to fit an internal drive to the BDP-3?
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: unincognito on 11 Apr 2019, 06:40 pm
Is there a link to instructions on how to fit an internal drive to the BDP-3?

There are four screws held in by nuts to secure the drive and the cable harness can be found inside the unit as well.
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: unincognito on 12 Apr 2019, 05:00 pm
New HDMI output from BDP3 and BDP-Pi?

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=193187)
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: docder on 12 Apr 2019, 10:54 pm
Chris, wow, nice, but you are being mysterious. Is this a question are posing yourself? Or is the visual HDMI output available with the recent firmware or a forthcoming update. I don't want to move my screen over to near my BDP until I know it will light up with MDP info.
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: James Tanner on 12 Apr 2019, 11:14 pm
Chris, wow, nice, but you are being mysterious. Is this a question are posing yourself? Or is the visual HDMI output available with the recent firmware or a forthcoming update. I don't want to move my screen over to near my BDP until I know it will light up with MDP info.

I believe this is a pic from the Axpona show so current software.

James
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: docder on 12 Apr 2019, 11:46 pm
Thanks James. Lovely. Apart from connecting a monitor via HDMI cable would there be anything else to change within the BDP-3? I have moved a monitor into place and connected up but no signal going to monitor as yet.
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: docder on 12 Apr 2019, 11:51 pm
Ah, it is working. I restarted the BDP-3 and we have visuals. Brilliant.
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: James Tanner on 25 Apr 2019, 06:35 pm
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=193876)

MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston BDP-3 Digital Player – Update

There have been a number of changes over time with the features available on the Bryston BDP-3 Digital Player.

STREAMING SERVICES:
•   QOBUZ
•   TIDAL
•   B-RADIO

THIRD PARTY INTEGRATION:
•   ROON

WIFI 
•   Internal WiFI or External WiFi  (optional):

INTERNAL DRIVE (optional):
•   SATA Solid State drive or SATA rotary hard drive.

BRYSTON BDP-3 CONTROL INTERFACES:
•   MANIC MOOSE S2.40 - NEW release of the Internal Bryston Software
•   RIGELIAN - Apple Store
•   SOUNDIROK – Apple Store
•   CHIMNEY – Windows Computers
•   M.A.LP. – Android Play Store
•   DROID MPD Client – Android Play Store
•   Glider Music Player – Apple Store
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: James Tanner on 8 Jun 2019, 09:44 am
https://forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/184908/how-my-bryston-bdp-3-digital-player-sounds-to-me-a-review
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: BigGeek on 24 Aug 2019, 08:57 pm
I have a BDP-3 and I want to connect it to my BDA-3.

I have AES connected for most music files. I want to USB connect to the DAC to play dsf files. I keep my music on a USB 3.0 hard drive. I have a Bryston USB dongle for connecting to WiFi.

Okay so I have two USB busses from which to choose and USB 2 or 3 available. What is Bryston’s recommended configuration for all of this. I was thinking dongle and hard drive connected to buss 2, while the DAC gets connected to a USB 2 port on buss 1.

Is this the lowest noise, best sounding configuration?  Thoughts?
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: gbaby on 25 Aug 2019, 10:02 pm
New HDMI output from BDP3 and BDP-Pi?

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=193187)

I did not know the BDP3's HDMI was meant to be connected to a monitor. I connected it to the BDA3. :o
Title: BDP-3 Internal Hard Drive Formatting
Post by: davidtgoh on 15 Sep 2019, 03:43 am
I've been enjoying a BDP-2 with a Bryston installed internal drive for a number of years.  I recently had the chance to pick up a BDP-3.  I've seen elsewhere on the Audio Circle site reports from someone who installed a 5TB Seagate (https://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=162427.0).  Three quick questions: 1) any one have recommendations on a particular 5TB? 2) does the new hard drive need to be formatted in any particular way?  3) is it best to install the drive (4 screws and click in the harness), put the machine in service mode, and then let Bryston format the drive?
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: Grit on 15 Sep 2019, 07:15 am
Any thoughts you can share on any differences between the BPA-2 and BPA-3?
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: gbaby on 24 Sep 2019, 02:33 pm
Will the BDP3 be adding Amazon Music since it is now streaming in 44.1/16 and above?
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: gdayton on 26 Sep 2019, 02:13 pm
I'm fairly sure at this point we'll be pursuing Amazon Music now that they have announced support for high res music. However, we have some other big software projects to develop at the moment, so I don't think Amazon Music HD is imminent. My guess is that it will launch around the same time as Nutty Narwhal.
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: gbaby on 26 Sep 2019, 03:27 pm
I'm fairly sure at this point we'll be pursuing Amazon Music now that they have announced support for high res music. However, we have some other big software projects to develop at the moment, so I don't think Amazon Music HD is imminent. My guess is that it will launch around the same time as Nutty Narwhal.

I understand. However, I hope Nutty Narwhal is not a replacement for Manic Moose as I throughly enjoy using it. It is very intuitive.  8)
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: bobf on 3 Dec 2019, 08:38 pm
I'm fairly sure at this point we'll be pursuing Amazon Music now that they have announced support for high res music. However, we have some other big software projects to develop at the moment, so I don't think Amazon Music HD is imminent. My guess is that it will launch around the same time as Nutty Narwhal.
Thank you for the latest update. Appreciate the 50 most recent albums loaded to hard drive and the fix for lossless Paradise Radio.

After almost three years with the BDP3 I remain impressed with the sound.

An added benefit of the BDP3 is the ability to use it as a UPNP server. I use that function to feed a Naim Qute in a secondary system. Sounds great.

Looking forward to Nutty Narwhal.
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: mcallister on 3 Dec 2019, 10:35 pm
Sorry if this is already answered but will the BDP-3 play 5.1 FLAC files via the HDMI out?
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: gbaby on 3 Dec 2019, 10:43 pm
Sorry if this is already answered but will the BDP-3 play 5.1 FLAC files via the HDMI out?

It will also play DTS 5.1 from any digital output.
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: gbaby on 5 Dec 2019, 01:05 am

STREAMING SERVICES:
•   QOBUZ
•   TIDAL
•   B-RADIO

THIRD PARTY INTEGRATION:
•   ROON



I have just finished listening to music using the new Amazon Prime uncompressed music, and I predict Amazon will win the music streaming war. To me, it sounded better than both Tidal and Qobuz. The sound was exceptionally clean especially in the upper frequencies and the music had a nice rhythmic drive making me think I was listening to the source. If it doesn't cost an access fee for Bryston, we need to get Amazon music on the BDP3. Right now, I access it through my Apple TV and MacBook Pro, but if you could access it through the BDP3, it would be a complete game changer. None of the other streaming companies can match the music depth of Amazon Prime or Amazon Music.  I wish others will try it and give your opinion.
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: unincognito on 6 Dec 2019, 03:20 pm
Sorry if this is already answered but will the BDP-3 play 5.1 FLAC files via the HDMI out?

Sorry no, its something I do ponder about adding every once in awhile though.  I think the last time it came up the general consensus was it wouldn't appeal to enough people.  It would be possible, it would just take time to develop.

Chris
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: gdbalp on 7 Dec 2019, 02:25 am
Hello Chris,

And I favour 5.1 audio through HDMI port, only increasing the capabilities of the BDP-3...

There are several companies that allow this 5.1 audio and here are some examples; ExaSound, OPPO, and Roon Nucleus.

When 5.1 audio is done right, it is amazing listening experience as compared to two channel audio :thumb:...

Luigi
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: gbaby on 7 Dec 2019, 03:22 am
Hello Chris,

And I favour 5.1 audio through HDMI port, only increasing the capabilities of the BDP-3...

There are several companies that allow this 5.1 audio and here are some examples; ExaSound, OPPO, and Roon Nucleus.

When 5.1 audio is done right, it is amazing listening experience as compared to two channel audio :thumb:...

Luigi
I thought EXaSound was a D/A converter. At any rate, the BDP3 also sounds great with Dolby Pro Logic Iix music in 7.1 through the Bryston SP3. I don't miss the fact the rear channels aren't discreet. It still sounds damn good.  :thumb: And, its coming from any two channel source.  8)
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: gdbalp on 20 Dec 2019, 04:41 am
Chris/James

Is there any chance of incorporating the I²S digital interconnection between BDP-3 and BDA-3 in future upgrades?

I hear that using the I²S is more accurate digital transmission method that leads to better sound reproduction... :thumb:

Luigi
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: srb on 20 Dec 2019, 05:13 am
My guess would be no.

I²S was designed to interconnect integrated circuits internally on a circuit board (which I assume is being done in the Bryston CD players) but not used as an external cable connection between components.
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: James Tanner on 20 Dec 2019, 11:03 am
My guess would be no.

I²S was designed to interconnect integrated circuits internally on a circuit board (which I assume is being done in the Bryston CD players) but not used as an external cable connection between components.

Correct sir!

james
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: auraluxstudio on 26 Jun 2020, 12:33 pm
Glad I found this thread! I have been looking into the BDP-3.
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: gbaby on 26 Jun 2020, 01:27 pm
Glad I found this thread! I have been looking into the BDP-3.

Its one of the best audio purchases I have made. Now I have all 2,700 CDs at my fingertips. I never thought I'd live to see this happen.  :o And, the sound is better than the regular CD.
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: Gumby on 26 Jun 2020, 11:24 pm
Regarding ripping CDs; what methods are you using to  store and transfer CDs to the BDP?   I don’t have a laptop with a CD drive.  Do I need a BOT1?   Should I rip CDs to the computer HD then copy to a USB drive?

Has anyone compared the sound of ripped CDs to files purchased from say HD TRACKS. 

Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: drummermitchell on 26 Jun 2020, 11:28 pm
DBpoweramp is superb.
Chris help me set it up :D.
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: Grit on 27 Jun 2020, 03:14 am
DBpoweramp is superb.
Chris help me set it up :D.

Ditto dbPoweramp
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: Pundamilia on 27 Jun 2020, 03:28 am
Ditto2
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: gbaby on 2 Jul 2020, 12:44 am
DBpoweramp is superb.
Chris help me set it up :D.

DBpoweramp is Superb. I started out using iTunes as an importer and rarely got cover art. Now, with dbpoweramp, I get all cover art and a superb sound. Music imported using dbpoweramp sounds stunning surpassing the same sonics on the CD. :icon_surprised: I think dbpoweramp is indispensable if you are importing music from CDs which I still do as its the best fidelity. In fact, I am buying more CDs than ever since owning the BDP-3. I like the easy access to music playback in its highest fidelity. In fact, I'm listening to a CD I received today from Amazon by Oli entitle 6.Its already on the USB drive and the CD is in storage to never be played.
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: gbaby on 2 Jul 2020, 12:51 am
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Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: amsco15 on 20 Jan 2021, 04:01 pm
New member here.  Hoping to get some help regarding the BDP-3.

I’m seriously considering the BDP-3; however, I’m concerned about its compatibility with my PS Audio Direct Stream DAC (DSD).  On the PS Audio (PSA) site, there is an angry exchange starting with a BDP-2 owner.  The issue was the inability to pass 24/192 PCM from the BDP-2 to the DSD using the AES connection.  Bryston tech support blamed the DSD (per the BDP-2 owner) and PSA defended their DAC.  An attempt to get to the bottom of the issue was promised by PSA but the effort fizzled.  Does anyone know anything about this issue?  Is the BDP-3 different for some reason.  It might not be a deal breaker for me but certainly something to consider.  It would be my connection of choice if it works with 24/192 (I have a lot of 24/192 FLAC).  Thanks!!
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: unincognito on 20 Jan 2021, 05:35 pm
If you intend to use USB between the two pieces then as far as I'm aware there shouldn't be any issues.  The issue with AES or BNC for that matter is the PS Audio DAC has difficulties locking to the signal sent by the BDP via this method at higher sample rates like 176khz or 192khz.

Chris
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: amsco15 on 20 Jan 2021, 05:52 pm
Thanks for the quick reply!!  No, I intended to use AES (PSA claims it's the superior input on their DAC, superior to USB, inferior to I2S).  They also claim the Bryston BDPs are the only devices they know of that won't work on their AES input.  This can be a complicated hobby.
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: unincognito on 20 Jan 2021, 09:31 pm
They also claim the Bryston BDPs are the only devices they know of that won't work on their AES input.  This can be a complicated hobby.

That's fair, there DAC is also the only DAC we are aware to have this problem with our BDP's.

Chris
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: Socal77 on 26 Jan 2021, 06:54 pm
The problem with the BDP-3 sending 176kHz and 192kHz files to the PS Audio DirectStream has prevented me from buying a BDP-3 for years now. My preferred set up would be a BDP-3 connected to my DirectStream via AES/EBU.  It makes absolutely no sense to me that this issue should exist, as I have had zero issues with 192kHz files from my BDP-1 via AES/EBU and S/PDIF coax. Also no problems with 192kHz files from a lowly BlueSound Node 2 via S/PDIF coax. This is a Bryston problem, it certainly appears to me. The PS Audio DirectStream DAC is outstanding, and from what I can tell, sales are strong. I would think Bryston would want to serve DS owners, especially since PS Audio is taking longer than they had hoped to come out with their "Octave" player. This will have the database functionality of a platform like Roon, but will also cost nearly twice as much as the Bryston BDP-3. For Bryston this is a missed market opportunity and poor serving of the Bryston community who would choose a solid build despite a crappy interface (Bryston) over a great player with more metadata than one can digest at a higher price point (PS Audio Octave).
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: Socal77 on 26 Jan 2021, 07:39 pm
New member here.  Hoping to get some help regarding the BDP-3.

I’m seriously considering the BDP-3; however, I’m concerned about its compatibility with my PS Audio Direct Stream DAC (DSD).  On the PS Audio (PSA) site, there is an angry exchange starting with a BDP-2 owner.  The issue was the inability to pass 24/192 PCM from the BDP-2 to the DSD using the AES connection.  Bryston tech support blamed the DSD (per the BDP-2 owner) and PSA defended their DAC.  An attempt to get to the bottom of the issue was promised by PSA but the effort fizzled.  Does anyone know anything about this issue?  Is the BDP-3 different for some reason.  It might not be a deal breaker for me but certainly something to consider.  It would be my connection of choice if it works with 24/192 (I have a lot of 24/192 FLAC).  Thanks!!

Unfortunately, I think you have to decide whether you want to go PS Audio or Bryston, since the two don't seem to want to work together.  Although I have never owned one, I am sure the BDA-3 is a great DAC, however I would not give up my PS Audio DirectStream for it to be able to use a BDP-3.  If you want to use a BDP-3 you will have to stick with a Bryston DAC or some other non-PSA DAC. If you want to stay with the DirectStream, you could go with Lumin, which I have heard works very well with the DirectStream, other streamers/players,or you can wait for the PSA streamer/player, "Octave," which (hopefully) will be out this year. I personally wanted to upgrade my BDP-1 to a BDP-3 but that will not happen.
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: James Tanner on 26 Jan 2021, 08:22 pm
Hi Folks,

I think engineering told me the PS Audio Direct Stream upsamples all incoming digital signals to DSD and that was an issue for us.

james
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: Socal77 on 26 Jan 2021, 08:56 pm
Hello James. You are correct. However it was not an issue with the BDP-1 (my experience) nor the early BDP-2 units before the updates.  If this were not a problem, I would be buying a BDP-3 today (actually, I would have bought one a long time ago).
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: James Tanner on 27 Jan 2021, 01:02 am
^ Hi

Do you not feel though that the goal is to listen to the music in its Native Format and not translate everything into a DSD file?

james
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: Socal77 on 27 Jan 2021, 01:34 am
^ Hi

Do you not feel though that the goal is to listen to the music in its Native Format and not translate everything into a DSD file?

james

Do you not feel we should be agnostic to format? I think the goal is to achieve the best possible sound, most analog and free of digital artifacts, etc.   The PS Audio DirectStream DAC does that extraordinarily well.  It does it well with my BDP-1, but the BDP-1 is severely resource limited in its processing power. The BDP-3 makes up for that deficiency but is not usable with the DirectStream if any HiRez files are going to be encountered. The unanswered question that no one can explain is why does the BDP-1 interface well while the more powerful, better refined BDP-3 cannot.

Jeff
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: Johnney on 27 Jan 2021, 06:29 am
I only have a good grade of USB 2 cable, can it still be used with DSD128?
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: James Tanner on 27 Jan 2021, 07:14 am
I only have a good grade of USB 2 cable, can it still be used with DSD128?

Hi Johnney

I believe so but I will check with engineering.

james
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: James Tanner on 27 Jan 2021, 07:19 am
Do you not feel we should be agnostic to format? I think the goal is to achieve the best possible sound, most analog and free of digital artifacts, etc.   The PS Audio DirectStream DAC does that extraordinarily well.  It does it well with my BDP-1, but the BDP-1 is severely resource limited in its processing power. The BDP-3 makes up for that deficiency but is not usable with the DirectStream if any HiRez files are going to be encountered. The unanswered question that no one can explain is why does the BDP-1 interface well while the more powerful, better refined BDP-3 cannot.

Jeff

Hi Jeff

I agree that the goal is to achieve the best possible sound but I guess my solution to that is to let each format stand on its own merits and I just think that playing back the digital file in its 'Native' format rather than 'Converting' it to another format makes for the best potential to achieve that goal.

I am not sure on the BDP-3 issue but I will ask engineering and see if they have any thoughts.

james
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: Johnney on 27 Jan 2021, 07:54 am
Just setup WiFi Dongle with BDP-3. I could only access to BDP-3 with IP address, not from my.Bryston.com nor BryFi App, anyone could provide me an advice? Thanks
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: James Tanner on 27 Jan 2021, 09:18 am
Just setup WiFi Dongle with BDP-3. I could only access to BDP-3 with IP address, not from my.Bryston.com nor BryFi App, anyone could provide me an advice? Thanks

Hi Johnney - email Chris at crice@bryston.com

james
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: Johnney on 27 Jan 2021, 09:53 am
Hi Johnney - email Chris at crice@bryston.com

james
Thank you, James. I just emailed Chris for it.
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: Johnney on 29 Jan 2021, 03:44 am
I have my bdp3 installed with an internal 2TB SSD and WiFi dongle, how do I add or remove music file from SSD remotely? Thanks
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: Wapiti on 29 Jan 2021, 04:59 am
Hi Folks,

I think engineering told me the PS Audio Direct Stream upsamples all incoming digital signals to DSD and that was an issue for us.

james

Incoming PCM is first converted by the PS Audio DAC to 352.8 or 384 PCM (depending on the rate of the input) then to 56.448MHz (20 times the SACD DSD rate), then to quad rate DSD (DSD256).

This should have no impact on the inability to pass 24/192 PCM from the BDP-2 to the DSD using the AES/EBU connection.  The other inputs on the PS Audio DAC work fine with the BDPs.  Also, what the DAC subsequently does with data should not matter.

It is an odd issue. 
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: GSDaudio on 29 Jan 2021, 12:11 pm

This should have no impact on the inability to pass 24/192 PCM from the BDP-2 to the DSD using the AES/EBU connection.  The other inputs on the PS Audio DAC work fine with the BDPs.  Also, what the DAC subsequently does with data should not matter.

It is an odd issue.

Are there any International Standards promoting interchangeability between DACs and Digital Transports?  One would assume the SPDIF would have certain protocols that every manufacture abides by.   Is there a DSD protocol?   I don't think that I would mix and match manufacturers products but if I got a great deal on a well renowned DAC other than Bryston it would be comforting to know if such standards/protocols exist.

Cheers,
Richard
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: audioMirror on 30 Jan 2021, 08:31 pm
I have my bdp3 installed with an internal 2TB SSD and WiFi dongle, how do I add or remove music file from SSD remotely? Thanks

I only have a BDP-2, and it is on hard-wired ethernet, but this is my guess as to what you need to do.

Can you access the manic-moose interface via http://bryston-bdp-3/   ?  If so, then your wifi is working.

Is your hard-drive formatted?  If not, then use Manic Moose to format it via the "Erase" function, and choosing the drive (the interface could be a bit better).  You choose a partition name, and do the erase (really a format).  I choose FAT format (I don't know what the EXT format is, or if it is better).  After a minute it should show the partition.  Then click on Mount (make sure this doesn't unmount.  the same button toggles between the two states).

That procedure is only for a new drive.  It won't work on an already partitioned drive (which you can just mount).

One you have the drive mounted, you can add music to it by connecting from a PC as a Network drive.

connect to \\BRYSTON-BDP-3 via the Windows 10 search pane.  It may also show up as a Network drive in Explorer (but I find that Explorer doesn't always poll what is recently on the network).

If you can't get there, you may have to go into go into "Turn Windows Features On/Off", and enable Samba 1 client capability on the Windows machine.  I'm not sure if Manic Moose has upgraded the Samba version, but in 2018 I lost Bryston connectivity when Windows turned off the old Samba 1 for security reasons.

Once you have the drive up in Explorer, you can copy to it just like a normal Windows drive.

That's about the extent of my knowledge, and hopefully someone else or one of the Bryston people can help you if any step doesn't work.
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: GSDaudio on 30 Jan 2021, 09:49 pm
Is your hard-drive formatted?  If not, then use Manic Moose to format it via the "Erase" function, and choosing the drive (the interface could be a bit better).  You choose a partition name, and do the erase (really a format).  I choose FAT format (I don't know what the EXT format is, or if it is better).  After a minute it should show the partition.  Then click on Mount (make sure this doesn't unmount.  the same button toggles between the two states).

Damn, I thought you had to buy a sata-usb adapter and format outside the BDP-3!!   Time to shop!

That's about the extent of my knowledge, and hopefully someone else or one of the Bryston people can help you if any step doesn't work.

I have a new BDP-3 for a month now.   The firmware is the latest release.  Be sure to enable "SAMBA" in the dashboard.   If you are using a MAC then open a new finder window and click the Bryston BDP "mount".   A few seconds later you will see your hard drive in the window.   To move files copy them from another finder window and paste into the hard drive.   A bit slower than a direct file transfer but you can listen to your BDP-3 while files are copying.
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: Johnney on 31 Jan 2021, 01:25 am
I only have a BDP-2, and it is on hard-wired ethernet, but this is my guess as to what you need to do.

Can you access the manic-moose interface via http://bryston-bdp-3/   ?  If so, then your wifi is working.

Is your hard-drive formatted?  If not, then use Manic Moose to format it via the "Erase" function, and choosing the drive (the interface could be a bit better).  You choose a partition name, and do the erase (really a format).  I choose FAT format (I don't know what the EXT format is, or if it is better).  After a minute it should show the partition.  Then click on Mount (make sure this doesn't unmount.  the same button toggles between the two states).

That procedure is only for a new drive.  It won't work on an already partitioned drive (which you can just mount).

One you have the drive mounted, you can add music to it by connecting from a PC as a Network drive.

connect to \\BRYSTON-BDP-3 via the Windows 10 search pane.  It may also show up as a Network drive in Explorer (but I find that Explorer doesn't always poll what is recently on the network).

If you can't get there, you may have to go into go into "Turn Windows Features On/Off", and enable Samba 1 client capability on the Windows machine.  I'm not sure if Manic Moose has upgraded the Samba version, but in 2018 I lost Bryston connectivity when Windows turned off the old Samba 1 for security reasons.

Once you have the drive up in Explorer, you can copy to it just like a normal Windows drive.

That's about the extent of my knowledge, and hopefully someone else or one of the Bryston people can help you if any step doesn't work.

Mine SSD is already formatted in FAT32. I will try rest steps you provided when I get home. Thank you so much
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: Johnney on 1 Feb 2021, 11:56 am
I only have a BDP-2, and it is on hard-wired ethernet, but this is my guess as to what you need to do.

Can you access the manic-moose interface via http://bryston-bdp-3/   ?  If so, then your wifi is working.

Is your hard-drive formatted?  If not, then use Manic Moose to format it via the "Erase" function, and choosing the drive (the interface could be a bit better).  You choose a partition name, and do the erase (really a format).  I choose FAT format (I don't know what the EXT format is, or if it is better).  After a minute it should show the partition.  Then click on Mount (make sure this doesn't unmount.  the same button toggles between the two states).

That procedure is only for a new drive.  It won't work on an already partitioned drive (which you can just mount).

One you have the drive mounted, you can add music to it by connecting from a PC as a Network drive.

connect to \\BRYSTON-BDP-3 via the Windows 10 search pane.  It may also show up as a Network drive in Explorer (but I find that Explorer doesn't always poll what is recently on the network).

If you can't get there, you may have to go into go into "Turn Windows Features On/Off", and enable Samba 1 client capability on the Windows machine.  I'm not sure if Manic Moose has upgraded the Samba version, but in 2018 I lost Bryston connectivity when Windows turned off the old Samba 1 for security reasons.

Once you have the drive up in Explorer, you can copy to it just like a normal Windows drive.

That's about the extent of my knowledge, and hopefully someone else or one of the Bryston people can help you if any step doesn't work.

It works! Once go into "Turn Windows Features On/Off", and enable Samba 1 client capability on the Windows machine, I see BDP appears in network. Thank you so much for the tips!
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: Johnney on 2 Feb 2021, 04:28 am
I only have a BDP-2, and it is on hard-wired ethernet, but this is my guess as to what you need to do.

Can you access the manic-moose interface via http://bryston-bdp-3/   ?  If so, then your wifi is working.
Today I try to copy a main folder which has many sub folders (70GB) into BDP on network. WiFi dongle of BDP stops responding after few minutes and same result happened twice.
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: miatadan on 14 Feb 2021, 04:57 pm
Hi Folks,

Review from German magazine on the BDP-3 - been told its exceptional 
:thumb:

I have the PDF if anyone wants it.


(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=187939)


Can you send me the pdf of review

Thanks

Dan

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=187940)

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=187941)

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=187942)

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=187943)

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=187944)
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: gbaby on 2 Mar 2021, 08:57 pm


Can you send the PDF to me?
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: dubkarma on 6 Jun 2021, 12:18 am
I suspect there's some simple software adjustment I haven't made, but I cannot get the USB outputs on my BDP-3 (both of them, actually!) to output any signal.

The USB DAC I've been trying has meters which tell me that no signal is being received from any of the USB outputs of the BDP-3.

The BNC-S/PDIF and XLR-AES digital outputs work perfectly on both units.

Any guidance or tips on resolving this curious problem would be much appreciated!

TIA, Joel.
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: unincognito on 6 Jun 2021, 03:09 am
I suspect there's some simple software adjustment I haven't made, but I cannot get the USB outputs on my BDP-3 (both of them, actually!) to output any signal.

The USB DAC I've been trying has meters which tell me that no signal is being received from any of the USB outputs of the BDP-3.

The BNC-S/PDIF and XLR-AES digital outputs work perfectly on both units.

Any guidance or tips on resolving this curious problem would be much appreciated!

TIA, Joel.

http://support.bryston.com/downloads/BDP/Manic%20Moose%20Manual.pdf

See page 15
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: dubkarma on 6 Jun 2021, 07:20 pm
Many thanks for this. Now I've got the USB output working.

Now, however, the AES and S/PDIF outputs have stopped working, so I still can't compare USB digital output to the older protocols.

Back the manual, I guess.
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: dubkarma on 10 Jun 2021, 06:46 pm
Still can't get any output from AES or S/PDIF.

It has occurred to me that perhaps the BDP-3 does not permit both USB and AES/SPDIF to be active at the same time.

On the other hand, if that were the case, you'd think it would be mentioned in the manuals. . .

On to Bryston Technical Support, I guess. . .
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: gbaby on 10 Jun 2021, 08:17 pm
Still can't get any output from AES or S/PDIF.

It has occurred to me that perhaps the BDP-3 does not permit both USB and AES/SPDIF to be active at the same time.

On the other hand, if that were the case, you'd think it would be mentioned in the manuals. . .

On to Bryston Technical Support, I guess. . .

All digital outputs on the BDP3 work simultaneously. I have my BDP-3 connected to a BDA-3 as well as the SP3 using different digital outputs.
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: dubkarma on 10 Jun 2021, 11:10 pm
That's what I assumed—and continue to assume: that the BDP-3 outputs on BNC, XLR and USB simultaneously.

Mine doesn't.

My further assumption has been that the least likely explanation is a defect in the BDP-3 I purchased. Not impossible, of course, but I've had many Bryston components since I got my first 4B amp 30 years ago, and none has ever malfunctioned.

If that second assumption is correct, then there's some software setting that I have failed to implement that is preventing the BPD-3 from having all three types of digital outputs active at the same time.

Problem is I can't figure out, from the BDP-3 manual or the Manic Moose manual, what software adjustment has to be made to achieve that.
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: gbaby on 14 Jun 2021, 12:39 am
That's what I assumed—and continue to assume: that the BDP-3 outputs on BNC, XLR and USB simultaneously.

Mine doesn't.

My further assumption has been that the least likely explanation is a defect in the BDP-3 I purchased. Not impossible, of course, but I've had many Bryston components since I got my first 4B amp 30 years ago, and none has ever malfunctioned.

If that second assumption is correct, then there's some software setting that I have failed to implement that is preventing the BPD-3 from having all three types of digital outputs active at the same time.
Problem is I can't figure out, from the BDP-3 manual or the Manic Moose manual, what software adjustment has to be made to achieve that.

Email Chris and he can fix your issue remotely. Everytime, I had an issue with my BDP3, it was user error.
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: Gomiki on 8 Aug 2021, 03:18 am
That's what I assumed—and continue to assume: that the BDP-3 outputs on BNC, XLR and USB simultaneously.

Mine doesn't.

My further assumption has been that the least likely explanation is a defect in the BDP-3 I purchased. Not impossible, of course, but I've had many Bryston components since I got my first 4B amp 30 years ago, and none has ever malfunctioned.

If that second assumption is correct, then there's some software setting that I have failed to implement that is preventing the BPD-3 from having all three types of digital outputs active at the same time.

Problem is I can't figure out, from the BDP-3 manual or the Manic Moose manual, what software adjustment has to be made to achieve that.


Last year I sent my BDP-3 to repair for the same reason, it was not software, it was a malfunction on the Buc Board " Integrated Audio Device (IAD)" , apparently caused by a power failure ," power outages and electrical disturbances .." they say me   :roll:.  They replaced the IAD with a new one in the warranty period, reinstalled firmware and configured devices. Now it works well.

P.D ,..I am wrong or with Roon you can only use the USB outputs, I think I remember that it does not let me change once I activate Roon, only if I activate it and I am not using USB, the IAD is active,,  or I am wrong, I am talking about off the top of my head  eehhh   :roll: :roll:

All the best..

Mayol A. Spain











Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: dubkarma on 9 Aug 2021, 03:31 pm
Bryston Service explained to me that the USB and "regular" digital outputs (SPDIF, AES) cannot be active simultaneously; that ended my plan to switch back and forth between USB and AES to determine which had the highest audio quality...

Bryston, it seems, finds the AES output from the BDP-3 to be the highest quality, and since that's been my experience in the past, I'm okay with just using the AES output. . .
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: gbaby on 27 Aug 2021, 04:45 pm
Bryston Service explained to me that the USB and "regular" digital outputs (SPDIF, AES) cannot be active simultaneously; that ended my plan to switch back and forth between USB and AES to determine which had the highest audio quality...

Bryston, it seems, finds the AES output from the BDP-3 to be the highest quality, and since that's been my experience in the past, I'm okay with just using the AES output. . .

I don't know. I switch between AES, USB and Coaxial regularly with no problems.  :o
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: dubkarma on 28 Aug 2021, 04:53 pm
Beats me!
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: Twiga on 16 Sep 2021, 10:25 pm
Does anybody know the maximum playlist size for a BDP-3?

The Manic Moose manual refers to the BDP-2 and says the following:

"Maximum Playlist Length: This defines the max number of tracks that can be cued in the playlist at any time. The default is 300
to prevent accidental loading of an entire drive into the cue which would temporarily paralyze the BDP. BDP-2s with more RAM and faster processing than BDP-1s are better equipped to handle very large playlists."

However, there is no Max Playlist Length mentioned for the BDP-3.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: GSDaudio on 18 Sep 2021, 11:18 am
I set the playlist limit to 10,000.     I have about 5,000 songs on a usb drive.   About 30%  192/24 files,  20% 96/24 files and the rest CD files.   About 400 Gb used on a 1Tb drive.

No speed issues or crashes!  And I have all the MPD functions active including the Bryston database.

Hope this helps.
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: Twiga on 19 Sep 2021, 03:38 pm
Thanks! For some reason, I seemed to hit the wall at 1,000, but last night I was able to go way beyond that.

I'm not sure that I will ever need or want to create a playlist of 10,000 songs, but it is nice to know that I can if I want to.
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: Calypte on 20 Sep 2021, 07:56 pm
My BDP-pi lists 43,390 "songs" (oh, how I hate that term).  Are you guys saying the BDP-2 and BDP-3 can't handle that many?
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: GSDaudio on 20 Sep 2021, 08:17 pm
No I selected 10,000 as an arbitrary number which is more than double the songs I have.

I guess I should point out that I loaded every song for playback (left side of MM interface) and had no problems playing them.  Limits are not the same as loading.

Can you load all 43k of your songs in your Pi?
Title: Re: Loving the new BDP-3!
Post by: Calypte on 20 Sep 2021, 09:07 pm
To rip more CDs or downloads, I remove the Passport from the BDP-pi and do the work on my laptop.  When I re-attach the Passport to the BDP-pi and power up, it takes about 25 minutes for a complete "update" (I have no idea what that is) and database build.  The more files I add, the longer it takes.  Up to now, it hasn't choked on any number of files.  A small part of the total count is cover art.  Most of my music is classical music, where we speak of "movements," not "songs."  But I have some pop and jazz, too, where "songs" would be an appropriate term.  I can access any music within a few seconds -- as fast as I can poke my fingers on the cell phone screen.