[Anonamemouse]

Roon has the best interface and algorithms in the business.  It's not just an operating system, but a personalized record store/curation service.  It is the system recommended by ALL high end manufacturers for best sound quality and user experience.  Your comment that it won't sound as good as MPD is likely based on ignorance.  Roon is bit perfect and in my tests over the last few years sounds as good as Manic Moose and Tidal/Quobuz direct.

Roon may be bit perfect, it still changes the sound.
It's eye candy. And I, for one, really don't care about who sweeped the floor in the studio during the recording of a certain album.

[abk456]

I must say your comment causes me to revise my views. I have often read about a "sweeping sound stage" and I dismissed it as hyperbole but now i understand it is a real phenomenon.

[gbaby]

Roon may be bit perfect, it still changes the sound.
It's eye candy. And I, for one, really don't care about who sweeped the floor in the studio during the recording of a certain album.

This post was comical to me but you are right. Manic Moose offers the best fidelity. But, the members help kill the BDP3 just because Manic Moose can't change a tire. Sad, and I hope you get my point.

[jobiwon]

Unless you have tested a BDP/MPD vs Roon with a BDP endpoint in the same system, then frankly you don't know what sounds better.

[galyons]

Can we venture past the off topic fanboy posts and get back to the OP's original question?   James could you please start the new year with an update or an obituary for OS3?

Happy Holidays to all!

[Stefan_DR3]

Can we venture past the off topic fanboy posts and get back to the OP's original question?   James could you please start the new year with an update or an obituary for OS3?

Happy Holidays to all!

Yes please!  For anyone that doubts the merit of OS3, I posted links to the tentative feature list they were working on last time we had this debate.  Here it is quoted in full this time:

Development has been slower then I would like when we do work on it and lately Its also been just me developing OS3 rather then the plan of me and another developer from Axiom, GG. 

OS3 will have a similar feature set as Manic Moose, but you won't have to manually switch between MPD, roon ready, airplay as all services will be running simultaneously and allow for convenience switching.  Currently switching between roon and mpd works flawlessly.  Switching to and from airplay and Spotify connect exists and mostly works but still needs some work.  Convenience switching is something GG (axiom software developer) already has experience with, along with also already being familiar with Spotify connect and airplay SDK's, but he's been busy with other projects but I hope to get him back soon. 

OS3 should also launch with TIDAL connect support, we just recently recieved access to its SDK.  OS3 likely won't be release with Qobuz or TIDAL integrated into its media player interface at launch, cd ripping features and likely won't have the full complement of artist info gathering.  It's not that OS3 won't have these features it's a case of these features will be integrated after OS3's initial released.

We are leaning towards switching to upmpdcli to replace DLNA renderer and client features.  This has the benefit of using MPD to render UPNP content and accept commands from UPNP apps and shouldn't require any additional development. 

Some form of squeezebox support might come back, originally I wanted to drop it, but some customers have convinced me revisit this decision. 

One of the other things GG is pushing are fixed known structures for services to follow, which kind of means we can only implement projects that we can mold to fit a some what rigid shape.  Part of that "rigid shape" are a set of requirements for plugins like being able to browse and select content from different services.  This will be part of the base that will be used to add integrated TIDAL and Qobuz support back into the media player interface, but also allow third parties and end users to add services without necessarily relying on us and we hope to have a few examples available at launch.

Chris

If anyone thinks they know better than Bryston I suggest they take it over to that thread and address specifically which features you think are a waste of time.

[alanford69]

The last update mentioned was more than 1 year and a half ago! Nowadays it is very hard for a software project to survive without any delivery in 2 years. The OS3 target technology itself may have become already obsolete after such a long time and a new major rework may be needed which means additional costs I am not sure Bryston new course is willing to afford. I still keep hoping of course and  I truly respect all the efforts done by Bryston so far but, being in the software business since 25 years, I know  how hard for small companies is to “make” software on their own. A “buy” option would be much more viable and cost effective. My 2p

[stereoal]

This is my experience with Manic Moose:
1) It sounds great, better than any of the other streamers I own (Audiolab, Bluesound, Cambridge).
2) Many of the stations on BRadio do not work.
3) I use Tidal with Manic Moose. I use an Ipad to transfer songs to My Collection. Some of them show up in Manic Moose. Others are just blank files. If the album is a long one, not all the tracks will show up in Manic Moose.

I'm hoping OS3 is almost ready and is just being held up by the various approvals needed before it can be released.

If anyone has any solutions to my Tidal problems, please let me know. I found the problem with not all tracks showing up also happened with Qobuz.

[gbaby]

This is my experience with Manic Moose:
1) It sounds great, better than any of the other streamers I own (Audiolab, Bluesound, Cambridge).
2) Many of the stations on BRadio do not work.
3) I use Tidal with Manic Moose. I use an Ipad to transfer songs to My Collection. Some of them show up in Manic Moose. Others are just blank files. If the album is a long one, not all the tracks will show up in Manic Moose.

I'm hoping OS3 is almost ready and is just being held up by the various approvals needed before it can be released.

If anyone has any solutions to my Tidal problems, please let me know. I found the problem with not all tracks showing up also happened with Qobuz.

Manic Moose was not designed with Tidal in mind, but Bryston did try to accommodate us. I don’t know how many times James has to tell us; the BDP3 is no longer made so OS3 is perhaps dead. If one needs Manic Moose to do esoteric things than one must pursue the 20k units. Some folks expectations are too high and will send you into bankruptcy if you let them.

[stereoal]

I think a dac/streamer (the 3.14) that lists for $5,000 should at least stream Tidal properly. My $449 Bluesound streams Tidal perfectly. There's no way that OS3 is dead given the amount of work devoted to it.

[Stefan_DR3]

There he goes again with the crazy talk.  It’s just the BDP series that’s discontinued (likely because there are no more motherboards) and other current products like the BR20 still use MM. The BDP are basically Linux computers, which means they can do anything with the right software. They just need to update the API for Tidal to work again.

So James, if the software team is not working on OS3 what are they doing these days?

[zeeman]

This is my experience with Manic Moose:
1) It sounds great, better than any of the other streamers I own (Audiolab, Bluesound, Cambridge).
2) Many of the stations on BRadio do not work.
3) I use Tidal with Manic Moose. I use an Ipad to transfer songs to My Collection. Some of them show up in Manic Moose. Others are just blank files. If the album is a long one, not all the tracks will show up in Manic Moose.

I'm hoping OS3 is almost ready and is just being held up by the various approvals needed before it can be released.

If anyone has any solutions to my Tidal problems, please let me know. I found the problem with not all tracks showing up also happened with Qobuz.

1:  That's the Bryston product itself that sounds better, not the Manic Moose control software

2:  Just use Roon.  It is recommended as the best control option by ALL high end audio manufacturer's, not to mention all it's other features and functions.

[galyons]

Please!! Can't the Roon fanboys give it a rest.  The constant off topic posts are inconsiderate and do not contribute to the thread.  Most of the folks interested in the status of OS3 likely have zero interest in Roon.  We do not need your constant self justification for a product you choose to buy.  Please be considerate to the thread's intended audience and take it elsewhere!

[zeeman]

Please!! Can't the Roon fanboys give it a rest.  The constant off topic posts are inconsiderate and do not contribute to the thread.  Most of the folks interested in the status of OS3 likely have zero interest in Roon.  We do not need your constant self justification for a product you choose to buy.  Please be considerate to the thread's intended audience and take it elsewhere!

Good point.  I'll no longer recommend the solution to all your problems.  Have fun!

[alanford69]

Good point.  I'll no longer recommend the solution to all your problems.  Have fun!

Noted with thanks.
We will not miss it.

[jobiwon]

"Folks I really do not know the status of this....."

You people got your answer days ago.

But feel free blather on about what could have should have been.   

[alanford69]

"Folks I really do not know the status of this....."

You people got your answer days ago.

But feel free blather on about what could have should have been.   

Can you really tell you don’t know where the car you are driving is going?

[gbaby]

"Folks I really do not know the status of this....."

You people got your answer days ago.

But feel free blather on about what could have should have been.   

True, so true.