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If you visit a website or read a magazine esposing the objectivist angle you are obviously soliciting those views. Nobody's trying to force this stuff down your throat anymore than the more subjective press is.And isn't any review etc. supposed to "limit choice" simply because there are so many choices out there? I don't see this as a negative thing. Whether it's Stereophile or Audioholics they both have to narrow down what they are and aren't going to review. And what does it matter what their purposes are, if it's to sell as much botique gear for as much money as possible or to find stuff that's more accesible and affordable? It's fine to have both camps and whatever else in between. The objectivist aren't going to stand in the way of anyone who wants to spend a jillion dollars on a system, but they might show how silly it is and make fun of such people. Where's the harm? Couldn't it be argued that the subjective magazines were established to correct a perceived wrong in the marketplace - that people are buying too much cheap gear and not the fancy high end stuff? Shouldn't equipment costing extreme amounts of money have their feet held to the fire?I guess I haven't read anything where the author was pushing the fraud angle, but if so I wouldn't agree with such an approach. I might be sick of the silly claims and puffery, but these people don't belong in jail by any stretch! I would much rather have the charlatans exposed, not by lawyers but simply by enthusiants and\or EE type people who just might know what they're talking about. Better yet, I would rather have the charlatans attacked viciously - with sarcasm! With audio you can have all sorts of different people involved. I really don't grok the whole electricity thing myself. Usually if someone is explaining something electrical I can't fully grasp it, but since I am in doubt I would feel arrogant to dismiss their argument. So I'm glad there are the objectivists out there. They keep your head out of the clouds. And my own experiences have matched to a large degree with what they have been saying anyway.Here's an open question to any objectivist out there: Who in the Hi-Fi industry would you like to see in jail? Seriously.
They would like you to think they are a group of audio loving monks out to protect you...
I guess there's no accounting for different perceptions. I read all the back issues of The Audio Critic and completely missed what you are describing.
he objectivist aren't going to stand in the way of anyone who wants to spend a jillion dollars on a system, but they might show how silly it is and make fun of such people. Where's the harm?
Here's an open question to any objectivist out there: Who in the Hi-Fi industry would you like to see in jail? Seriously.
And isn't any review etc. supposed to "limit choice" simply because there are so many choices out there?
I don't think jail is necessary, but some of us would like to have the FTC take a look at some of the claims being made, and make a decision if the advertising is making fraudulent claims or is deliberately misleading. d.b.
QuoteI guess there's no accounting for different perceptions. I read all the back issues of The Audio Critic and completely missed what you are describing.The existence of the Audio Critic and Audioholics is proof in itself. They would not exist if the creators did not view the presence of relatively expensive, technically inferior gear in the market as a problem.
QuoteI don't think jail is necessary, but some of us would like to have the FTC take a look at some of the claims being made, and make a decision if the advertising is making fraudulent claims or is deliberately misleading. d.b.Well that I am wholly opposed to. Take out the words "the FTC" from that sentence and insert "people" and I am all for it. It's fine to inform people about what think is screwey about the market but wrong to bring the feds into it. That just makes it look like consumers are too stupid to think for themselves....Besides, in the most general sense aren't ALL marketing claims a load of crap anyway, open to all sorts of interpretation? Every other product out there is claimed to make your life easier and better in one way or another! Do we believe every bit of ad copy blindly? Of course not! You filter out the crap. People don't need to be saved from themselves.
.....it's self-evident.
Well that I am wholly opposed to.....
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Also in such a market a manufacturer needing to decide where to budget its funds is more likely to allocate a larger (possibly much larger) share to marketing than research/engineering. In those instances we all lose.
This tells me you still desire to change the market situation to one that better suits your value scale. Given that, do you really agree with your closing sentence?
IF the state gets into the middle,......