Good & Bad News for 300B Lovers

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Re: Bad News for 300B Lovers
« Reply #40 on: 7 Feb 2013, 03:15 am »
There is another possibility: http://psvanetube.com/wordpress/store/products/psvane-we300b-11-replica/

Interesting to see GF's price coming down on those...perhaps a combination of a little competition from Parts Connexion and people not snapping those up the way they thought they would in spite of the invoking of the hallowed Western Electric name...Hmmm...

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Re: Good & Bad News for 300B Lovers
« Reply #41 on: 7 Feb 2013, 04:31 pm »
Has anyone heard the Psvane WE Tribute 300b?

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Re: Good & Bad News for 300B Lovers
« Reply #42 on: 11 Feb 2013, 03:31 am »
Has anyone heard the Psvane WE Tribute 300b?
By casualty I found something for you, this guy know what you wish to know, this Japanese audiophile know alot about this tube, too bad the video not in english.
Time to test your japanese:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irYkJ8egqKM
Hope this help.

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Re: Good & Bad News for 300B Lovers
« Reply #43 on: 15 Feb 2014, 06:46 am »
I know this thread is over a year old, but it does not seem like any light has been shed on the Psvane WE replica in that time... 

Regarding the youtube video, basically, the guy compares the construction of several different tubes: the stock 300b that comes with the Triode Corp 300B integrated, the Psvane WE replica, an original WE300B from 1988, and a Vaic 300B.  He demonstrates that the Psvane and WE have nearly identical construction except for the size of the four holes at the top of the spacer in the top of the tube (slightly larger holes on the Psvane) and the flashing at the bottom (extending slightly higher up the glass on the Psvane).  Then he flicks each tube with his finger and says that the sound of the filament rattling around inside is more pronounced in the Triode Corp tube than the Psvane.  He taps each tube and says that the Psvane and WE have significantly less rattling inside than the others.  I looked for more videos and I found ANOTHER Japanese guy doing the same thing and others off camera being amazed that the sound from tapping the Psvane tube is somehow better than other tubes.  This is inexplicable to me...  What does it even mean?  Who cares?  How does it SOUND when making music?  There were no comments about this.  Japanese obsessiveness over odd details superseding the actual point.  I am Japanese and I see this ALL THE TIME!  Of course, when constructing something, that obsessive attention detail often yields incredible results, such as the Takatsuki TA300B.  But when evaluating a product, I wish they would get the meat of the subject. 

I am really looking for some kind of worthy backup to my Takatsuki 300B.  I have two pairs.  I wrote to Takatsuki and they informed me that the life expectancy is 5000 hrs.  With two pairs that is 10,000 hrs total.  My amp is custom made and runs Class A all the time right near the maximum dissipation.  At about $1400-$1600 per pair, I don't want to replace these tubes every few years.  For $900, I wonder if the Psvane WE replica might be an OK backup. 

I am faced with an additional problem.  The holes in the top of my amp, where the base of the 300B slides in, is too narrow to fit most of the gigantic ceramic base 300Bs currently being made.  It is somewhat frustrating.  I have to use either real Western stuff (unacceptable failure rates, I owned three pairs and none of them were noise free), Takatsuki (THE BEST, but too expensive), or some other 300B that I am not aware of.  From the photos, it seems clear that the base of the Psvane replica is the same diameter as the Western. 

Obviously, I am very curious about these Psvane tubes.  I am thinking of just ordering a pair and checking them and writing up my findings in comparison to the Takatsuki. 

Anyway, can anyone who has experience with this tube please provide a review? 

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Re: Good & Bad News for 300B Lovers
« Reply #44 on: 17 Feb 2014, 08:16 pm »
This is inexplicable to me...  What does it even mean?
Dear Mr.:
I wish thankyou for taking time to post the report about the video, I appreciated. :thumb:
The flick sound had to do with the cathode resonance ie the filament assembly inside the plate, more sound on tap = more resonance = more microphony, hence its bad.
Obviously these 300B experts know what tap sound is good and what is bad.
A less resonant tap sound show a tighter or a stronger construction.

They will no say all the real facts about the tubes as this is a free video.
Time life of 5K hours dont say much per se, it would be 5K hours with a very low bias and power output.
Surely you already consider the Emisson Labs 300B:
http://www.emissionlabs.com/
There is a lot of info about its tubes in the EML site, what let the buyer confident and 300B price are not the most expensive=367,23euro per pair:
http://www.jacmusic.com/html/order/jacmusic-pricelist.PDF
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Re: Good & Bad News for 300B Lovers
« Reply #45 on: 18 Feb 2014, 04:15 pm »
Thanks for your reply.  Yes.  I can see how the tightness of construction might have an effect on the sound.  However, I just thought their priorities were a little bit out of whack.  I really wanted some report regarding the sound of the tube when used in an amplifier.  Again, being Japanese I recognize some of the very odd "otaku" behavior in those videos. 

I would love to listen to the EML tubes as I have heard many great things about them.  The problem for me is that the base is a bit too large to fit comfortably in my amp.  Eventually I will purchase the Psvane WE replica (perhaps wait for them to start showing up used).  For now, the Takatsuki is the best I have ever heard and I will be satisfied with them. 

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Re: Good & Bad News for 300B Lovers
« Reply #46 on: 18 Feb 2014, 05:36 pm »
Thanks for your reply.  Yes.  I can see how the tightness of construction might have an effect on the sound.  However, I just thought their priorities were a little bit out of whack.  I really wanted some report regarding the sound of the tube when used in an amplifier.  Again, being Japanese I recognize some of the very odd "otaku" behavior in those videos. 

I would love to listen to the EML tubes as I have heard many great things about them.  The problem for me is that the base is a bit too large to fit comfortably in my amp.  Eventually I will purchase the Psvane WE replica (perhaps wait for them to start showing up used).  For now, the Takatsuki is the best I have ever heard and I will be satisfied with them.
I understand what you mean.
Btw this obsessive behavior is what makes science advance, there is no progress without the deep knowledge.
I admire the detail intricacy of the asian behavior;
This instructive video about tube testing can show more about microphonics tubes, especially in the final part:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13n1VCR6UXw

Due the hi price of these tubes I sure EML would change the ceramic base from some 300Bs if you buy from them, since the base can be changed, but it would cost a price.
I would prefer change the cheap stock sockets(image below) to Teflon sockets, what can solve this prob for you.
http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/tri/tri_2.html

These claw pins sockets scares me just watching, it cost dolar cents in China if a builder buy in mass, your safety deserve better sockets.
300B Teflon sockets are just $7 each right now in this HK shop:
http://www.mafaudio.com/pro/RealProDetail.aspx?id=158
When I buy in this shop they cost $10 each, now just $7.


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Re: Good & Bad News for 300B Lovers
« Reply #47 on: 10 Mar 2014, 08:28 pm »
Gordon Rankin informed the Takatsuki 300B price will increase in April:
http://www.audioasylum.com/forums/set/messages/7/75191.html

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Re: Good & Bad News for 300B Lovers
« Reply #48 on: 22 Mar 2014, 10:47 pm »
Elrog will be manufacturing 300B soon. They are a German company that currently makes a 211 and 845.

http://www.elrog.com/
http://vinylsavor.blogspot.de/2013/05/211-and-845-triodes-made-in-germany.html

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Re: Good & Bad News for 300B Lovers
« Reply #49 on: 7 Jun 2014, 05:58 am »
Review about Elrog seems pretty good  :green: