Proclaiming my ignorance in advance:
- Does the TF-2 not require power?
- Is the SUT on board the BMC-MM the same as the stand alone TF-2?
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- If so, why is the price of the TF-2 almost as much as the BMC-MM?
BTW, I'm just curious and not complaining since I paid $600.00 for the on board MM in my BP26 which when combined with $1,500.00 for TF-2 is about $1,100.00 less than the BP 1.5 and Mike Pickett tells me the performance of the TF-2/BP26MM will be the same as a BP 1.5.
Thanks James! Your answers make sense to me. Can you clarify that if I pair the TF-2 with my BP26 internal MM section that the performance will be equal to or better than the BP 1.5? I say better because if the TF-2 and BMC-MM internal SUT are different than the one used in the BP 1.5 and BP 26 MC I am assuming they are an upgrade. You have always said that Bryston only enhances a product if there will be a noticeable improvement. I'm looking at a tubed phono pre as an alternative but if I could achieve the performance of the BP 1.5 by adding the TF-2 it would almost be a no brainer to do so.
Thanks for enduring my annoying questions :thumb:
Bill
Hi Bill,
Yes the TF2 with the internal MM in the BP-26 will equal the performance of the BP-1.5.
james
Great! What is the GA date for the new phono components?
Hi James!
I have a couple of questions for you:
1. How does BMC compare to BP1.5?
2. Does BMC require an external power supply or is it built in?
3. Does BMC use discrete components in it's amplifier stage or ICs?
4. What kind of outputs does BMC have?
5. Does Bryston plan to make an A/D converter in the 1/3-size range?
Cheers!
Antun
Hi
1. It would be close but the BMC uses a different MC section.
2. Yes you need a power supply - either the new PS 3 or an MPS-2
3. Discrete in the MM stage and a step-up transformer for the MC stage.
4. RCA.. In and Outs
5. Talked about but no immediate plans.
james
Hi James!
I have a question. If I bought a BP-26 preamp, could I buy a PS-3 to power it instead of the MPS-2?
PS-3 can power only one unit while NPS-2 can power four units but appart from that they can be used to power the same units, right?
Cheers!
Antun
Correct yes you can use either power supply.
james
Sorry just to clarify James, you are saying that you can use a PS-3 to power a BP26?
Sorry just to clarify James, you are saying that you can use a PS-3 to power a BP26?
Well, if a PS-3 can power a BP-26, it surely can power the BP-25 as well!?
Would it be an audible upgrade to an MPS-1? When I acquired my BP-25 Phono, it came with an BP-PSR and I upgraded to an MPS-1 later which I was able to source in Australia.
Hi James,
I have a BP26MM. Would the gain setting on the internal MM stage factor into the decision as to which TF-2 gain alternative you would deploy. As I recall there is a 6 db differential in the two gain setting options. If my factory setting is 35 db as opposed to 41 db and my Benz Micro Wood SL outputs .5 mv would the 20 db TF-2 still be in order?
Also, I don't recall what my setting is. if I can't find it in my documentation can Bryston provide it with my serial number?
Thanks,
Bill
James - what is the actual MM phono overload spec ? IOW -how many mV before the input is overdriven into distortion ?
Will these be offered in black finish as well as the brushed aluminum shown?
How old of a design is the internal phono board for the B135? how does it compare to this new external unit?
That's good to know, saves having extra cables and power supplies.
Is the phono board like the IAD? can it be ordered from you guys and fit by the end user, looking at photos it seems like a board that just slots in?
Question for JT, I have an older BP26, about 10 years old, with the MM-MC stage built into it. My question is, are there any upgrades to the phono section that can be done at the factory.
Barry
Yes I am interested, be. If because I love my BP-26, if Bryston ever made another pre at that level of competence and great sounding I would buy it in a heart beat.
Barry
OK email Mike - mpickett@bryston.comHi James I upgraded my BP 26 to MM MC last year did I get the new transformers?
james
Hi James I upgraded my BP 26 to MM MC last year did I get the new transformers?
Hi James,
Is the BP26 internal MM section the same as the outboard BP2 MM? Just curious, are you no longer offering the internal sections on the BP26 as I don't see them on the website??
Thanks,
Bill
How old is the internal MM phono board for the B100? how does it sounds compare to this BMM new external unit?
I don't know wich phono stage to buy.
Thanks Paolo
Thank you so much for reply James .I'm Thinking about it and for sure the new BMM sound much better.I contact my dealer in Italy and The old phono card cost 890 euro instead of the BMM cost a Little more but it sounds better with new design and more flexibile equipment.For BMM I need the power supply too?No power available
from my B 100 sst?
Ok ,I also found an used MM phono card for Bryston B135 and the dealer tell me I can install it into my Bryston B100 sst,is it True?is this a new design like the BMM?
So to confirm, if I order the internal MM phono stage for my B135sst2, it will be the same as the BP-2 phono stage? And I can just plug it in or do I need an installation kit as well? I am using a ProJect Tube Box S but the internal stage will be a neater set up with one less set of interconnects.
By the way, I received my new BCD-3 this past week. Absolutely delighted. Thanks.
Thanks James. It is the same as the BP-2 MM preamp?
OK this is the new board so make sure you get the mounting kit as well.
james
James, does this mean it is ok to install the phono card by myself or do I need to do it via my dealer to not loose my warranty?
Hi James,
Just received my new BP2 today. I disconnected my existing stage which was working fine and connected the BP2. When I turned up the volume without a signal I immediately heard a significant hum. All the IC's and ground cables are connected correctly. I tried a different jack on the MPS2 as well as a different line level input on the BP26 to no avail. The BP2 is not located anywhere near the Torus, MPS2 or 7Bs. I played one side of a very familiar album and I must say this is a terrific phono stage. Major improvement across the frequency range especially in bass presence and quality. The hum is very noticeable during quiet passages and during fade outs at the end of tracks.
Any thoughts on what the cause may be? The manual does not have troubleshooting page. Anyone else out there who has a BP2 using the MPS2 please chime in as well.
Thanks,
Bill
Thanks James, will do. BTW, are you using PS3 or MPS2 at home with your BP2?
PS3
Thanks. I contacted Mike via the contact form on the website. Is that the best way to get ahold of him? I don't have his direct email address.
Thanks. I contacted Mike via the contact form on the website. Is that the best way to get ahold of him? I don't have his direct email address.
mpickett@bryston.com
james
I spoke with Mike today who tells me the BP2 cannot be plugged into a spare outlet on the MPS2. ... "Quiet operation" requires a splitter so the BP2 can be connected to the same outlet as the BP26. The required splitter was not included in my shipment. Mike is sending it to me.
I'm hoping that the sound quality is not compromised over using the PS3. The word splitter is anathema to many audiophiles. Hopefully that applies more to signal flow than it does to power distribution especially in this scenario as neither the BP2 nor the BP26 consumes mass quantities of power.
I disconnected my existing stage which was working fine and connected the BP2. When I turned up the volume without a signal I immediately heard a significant hum. All the IC's and ground cables are connected correctly.
Any thoughts on what the cause may be? The manual does not have troubleshooting page. Anyone else out there who has a BP2 using the MPS2 please chime in as well.
I have a brand new BP-17 Cubed with built-in phono stage (same circuit as BP-2 MM) and experiencing a similar problem. I have been in contact with Bryston tech support who are trying to reproduce my setup. I also added a TF-2 step-up transformer which seems to exacerbate the hum/buzz. The TF-2 seems to be working fine in another system so I think something is wrong with the phono board or the way it is wired into the preamp.
I have a brand new BP-17 Cubed with built-in phono stage (same circuit as BP-2 MM) and experiencing a similar problem. I have been in contact with Bryston tech support who are trying to reproduce my setup. I also added a TF-2 step-up transformer which seems to exacerbate the hum/buzz. The TF-2 seems to be working fine in another system so I think something is wrong with the phono board or the way it is wired into the preamp.
It's been a month :o so time for an update.\\
- The TF-2 has only a chassis ground (it is a passive component) which goes nowhere unless "daisy chained" to the preamp's ground terminal. But when I connect the ground terminals with a spare wire the noise gets much louder.
- Mike @ Bryston is looking for a grounding fix within the TF-2.
- The TF-2 on its own works fine with same turntable connected to my old Yamaha receiver.
- My Sonic Frontiers Phono stage works fine with the Bryston preamp (line input) and same turntable.
At this point I am ready to send them the MM phono board and/or the TF-2 because no matter how I connect the ground the phono is unusable. Just waiting for Bryston to provide RMA ... :scratch:
It's been a month :o so time for an update.
- The TF-2 has only a chassis ground (it is a passive component) which goes nowhere unless "daisy chained" to the preamp's ground terminal. But when I connect the ground terminals with a spare wire the noise gets much louder.
- Mike @ Bryston is looking for a grounding fix within the TF-2.
- The TF-2 on its own works fine with same turntable connected to my old Yamaha receiver.
- My Sonic Frontiers Phono stage works fine with the Bryston preamp (line input) and same turntable.
At this point I am ready to send them the MM phono board and/or the TF-2 because no matter how I connect the ground the phono is unusable. Just waiting for Bryston to provide RMA ... :scratch:
Hi Bill,
Check with Mike - mine at home is dead quiet.
james
Hi James,
Can you please check on the status of my BP2. It was DOA when I bought it back in October (see above post for details). I emailed Mike for an update but he is off until 1/3. I copied you with the message trail if that helps.
Thanks,
Bill
Hi Bill
I tried to find out what was happening but Mike is the one doing the mode so I am sorry but will not be able to get back to you till Tuesday.
James
OK, thanks James. While I have your attention what is Bryston's official policy when a customer is shipped a new piece of equipment that is DOA or unusable? It doesn't seem consistent with what I know Bryston to be to have the customer go through a lengthy trial and error process (in this case it will be three months) with long intervals between responses/updates. At this point I still don't know what's wrong or if there is a fix. No hard feelings intended as I know nothing runs perfectly all the time and you guys do an excellent job otherwise.
Regards,
Bill
Thanks for taking the time to respond. Wishing you, your family and Bryston a Happy and Prosperous New Year :thumb:
Hi Bill
Yes it is frustrating I know - I think the issue is we have lots of phono stages out there with no issues and this one seems really weird. According to Mike I believe he can not seem to duplicate the problem and did not want to return it or another unit and have the same issue.
james
James- if I finally get around to sending my BP-25 in to be upgraded to a 26 -could I get the new phono stage installed at the same time ? It currently has only line level inputs .