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Title: Bryston - New Phono Products
Post by: James Tanner on 8 Oct 2015, 07:10 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: New Bryston 1/3rd Size Phono Products


October, 2015

Hi Folks,

Please see below the newest 1/3rd size ‘Phono Products’ we are introducing this month.

Projected USA List Prices

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=129280)

BMC-MM/MC Phono = $1,750.00
Moving-Magnet and Moving-Coil Phono Stage

BMM- MM Phono = $800.00
Moving-Magnet Phono Stage


PS-3 Power Supply = $1,000.00
Power Supply for BMC and BMM Phono Stages
         
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=129281)


TF-2 Transformer = $1,500.00
Moving-Coil Step-Up Transformer


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=129282)

Title: Re: Bryston - New Phono Products
Post by: 95Dyna on 8 Oct 2015, 08:58 pm
Proclaiming my ignorance in advance:

- Does the TF-2 not require power?

- Is the SUT on board the BMC-MM the same as the stand alone TF-2?
.
- If so, why is the price of the TF-2 almost as much as the BMC-MM?

BTW, I'm just curious and not complaining since I paid $600.00 for the on board MM in my BP26 which when combined with $1,500.00 for TF-2 is about $1,100.00 less than the BP 1.5 and Mike Pickett tells me the performance of the TF-2/BP26MM will be the same as a BP 1.5.

Title: Re: Bryston - New Phono Products
Post by: James Tanner on 9 Oct 2015, 12:01 am
Proclaiming my ignorance in advance:

- Does the TF-2 not require power?

- Is the SUT on board the BMC-MM the same as the stand alone TF-2?
.
- If so, why is the price of the TF-2 almost as much as the BMC-MM?

BTW, I'm just curious and not complaining since I paid $600.00 for the on board MM in my BP26 which when combined with $1,500.00 for TF-2 is about $1,100.00 less than the BP 1.5 and Mike Pickett tells me the performance of the TF-2/BP26MM will be the same as a BP 1.5.

Hi

1. No power supply the TF-2 is Passive

2. Yes

3. Quality MC transformers are very expensive compared to MM stages and the BMC MC incorporates the 2 stages in one chassis so cost savings there.

The MC Transformer section in the BP-26 preamp and BP 1.5  is a different MC transformer than the one in the new phono stages.

james
Title: Re: Bryston - New Phono Products
Post by: 95Dyna on 9 Oct 2015, 03:01 am
Thanks James!  Your answers make sense to me.  Can you clarify that if I pair the TF-2 with my BP26 internal MM section that the performance will be equal to or better than the BP 1.5?  I say better because if the TF-2 and BMC-MM internal SUT are different than the one used in the BP 1.5 and BP 26 MC I am assuming they are an upgrade.  You have always said that Bryston only enhances a product if there will be a noticeable improvement.  I'm looking at a tubed phono pre as an alternative but if I could achieve the performance of the BP 1.5 by adding the TF-2 it would almost be a no brainer to do so.

Thanks for enduring my annoying questions  :thumb:

Bill
Title: Re: Bryston - New Phono Products
Post by: James Tanner on 9 Oct 2015, 03:04 am
Thanks James!  Your answers make sense to me.  Can you clarify that if I pair the TF-2 with my BP26 internal MM section that the performance will be equal to or better than the BP 1.5?  I say better because if the TF-2 and BMC-MM internal SUT are different than the one used in the BP 1.5 and BP 26 MC I am assuming they are an upgrade.  You have always said that Bryston only enhances a product if there will be a noticeable improvement.  I'm looking at a tubed phono pre as an alternative but if I could achieve the performance of the BP 1.5 by adding the TF-2 it would almost be a no brainer to do so.

Thanks for enduring my annoying questions  :thumb:

Bill

Hi Bill,

Yes the TF2 with the internal MM in the BP-26 will equal the performance of the BP-1.5.

james

Title: Re: Bryston - New Phono Products
Post by: 95Dyna on 9 Oct 2015, 03:13 am
Hi Bill,

Yes the TF2 with the internal MM in the BP-26 will equal the performance of the BP-1.5.

james

Great!  What is the GA date for the new phono components?
Title: Re: Bryston - New Phono Products
Post by: James Tanner on 9 Oct 2015, 03:14 am
Great!  What is the GA date for the new phono components?

Hope within 4 weeks.

james

Title: Re: Bryston - New Phono Products
Post by: R. Daneel on 10 Oct 2015, 10:46 am
Hi James!

I have a couple of questions for you:

1. How does BMC compare to BP1.5?
2. Does BMC require an external power supply or is it built in?
3. Does BMC use discrete components in it's amplifier stage or ICs?
4. What kind of outputs does BMC have?
5. Does Bryston plan to make an A/D converter in the 1/3-size range?

Cheers!
Antun
Title: Re: Bryston - New Phono Products
Post by: James Tanner on 10 Oct 2015, 11:02 am
Hi James!

I have a couple of questions for you:

1. How does BMC compare to BP1.5?
2. Does BMC require an external power supply or is it built in?
3. Does BMC use discrete components in it's amplifier stage or ICs?
4. What kind of outputs does BMC have?
5. Does Bryston plan to make an A/D converter in the 1/3-size range?

Cheers!
Antun

Hi

1. It would be close but the BMC uses a different MC section.
2. Yes you need a power supply - either the new PS 3 or an MPS-2
3. Discrete in the MM stage and a step-up transformer for the MC stage.
4. RCA..  In and Outs

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=129376)

5. Talked about but no immediate plans.

james

Title: Re: Bryston - New Phono Products
Post by: R. Daneel on 10 Oct 2015, 11:08 am
Hi

1. It would be close but the BMC uses a different MC section.
2. Yes you need a power supply - either the new PS 3 or an MPS-2
3. Discrete in the MM stage and a step-up transformer for the MC stage.
4. RCA..  In and Outs
5. Talked about but no immediate plans.

james

Thank you James!
Antun
Title: Re: Bryston - New Phono Products
Post by: R. Daneel on 18 Oct 2015, 12:16 pm
Hi James!

I have a question. If I bought a BP-26 preamp, could I buy a PS-3 to power it instead of the MPS-2?

PS-3 can power only one unit while NPS-2 can power four units but appart from that they can be used to power the same units, right?

Cheers!
Antun
Title: Re: Bryston - New Phono Products
Post by: James Tanner on 18 Oct 2015, 03:13 pm
Hi James!

I have a question. If I bought a BP-26 preamp, could I buy a PS-3 to power it instead of the MPS-2?

PS-3 can power only one unit while NPS-2 can power four units but appart from that they can be used to power the same units, right?

Cheers!
Antun

Correct yes you can use either power supply.

james
Title: Re: Bryston - New Phono Products
Post by: doveman on 18 Oct 2015, 10:15 pm
Correct yes you can use either power supply.

james

Sorry just to clarify James, you are saying that you can use a PS-3 to power a BP26?

Title: Re: Bryston - New Phono Products
Post by: James Tanner on 18 Oct 2015, 11:47 pm
Sorry just to clarify James, you are saying that you can use a PS-3 to power a BP26?

Correct

james

Title: Re: Bryston - New Phono Products
Post by: mv038856 on 20 Oct 2015, 03:14 am
Sorry just to clarify James, you are saying that you can use a PS-3 to power a BP26?

Well, if a PS-3 can power a BP-26, it surely can power the BP-25 as well!?

Would it be an audible upgrade to an MPS-1? When I acquired my BP-25 Phono, it came with an BP-PSR and I upgraded to an MPS-1 later which I was able to source in Australia.
Title: Re: Bryston - New Phono Products
Post by: James Tanner on 20 Oct 2015, 10:15 am
Well, if a PS-3 can power a BP-26, it surely can power the BP-25 as well!?

Would it be an audible upgrade to an MPS-1? When I acquired my BP-25 Phono, it came with an BP-PSR and I upgraded to an MPS-1 later which I was able to source in Australia.

HI

I would have to check on that to make sure - I believe the power connection cable is different on the BP25 vs the BP26 but I assume an adapter cable could work.

james
Title: Re: Bryston - New Phono Products
Post by: R. Daneel on 22 Oct 2015, 05:20 pm
Hi!

Which is a higher quality power supply for the BP-26? The MPS-2 or the new BP-3?

 Cheers!
Antun
Title: Re: Bryston - New Phono Products
Post by: James Tanner on 9 Dec 2015, 09:22 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston Moving-Coil Step-Up Transformer


December 2015

Most Moving-Magnet phono stages expect to receive a signal between 3-6 mV at their input from the cartridge.

A step-up Moving-Coil transformer is designed to accept the lower voltage output from the MC cartridge and increase the voltage to a point which is acceptable to the input stage of the standard MM phono section.
The Bryston TF-2 Moving-Coil step-up transformer is available in two versions...with a 20dB or a 30dB gain option.

Your choice on which unit is most appropriate will be determined by the voltage output of your chosen cartridge.

•   From .1 to .2 mV we would recommend the 30dB version

•   At .3 mV we would say either version would work fine

•   From .4 to .5 mV or more we would recommend the 20dB version

An important point to consider when choosing which Step-up to use is you do not want to over-power or under-power the MM phono stage.
Under-powering results in not having enough GAIN in the system and over-powering can result in voltage overload and the resultant distortion.

Title: Re: Bryston - New Phono Products
Post by: 95Dyna on 10 Dec 2015, 12:48 am
Hi James,

I have a BP26MM.  Would the gain setting on the internal MM stage factor into the decision as to which TF-2 gain alternative you would deploy.  As I recall there is a 6 db differential in the two gain setting options.  If my factory setting is 35 db as opposed to 41 db and my Benz Micro Wood SL outputs .5 mv would the 20 db TF-2 still be in order?

Also, I don't recall what my setting is.  if I can't find it in my documentation can Bryston provide it with my serial number?

Thanks,

Bill
Title: Re: Bryston - New Phono Products
Post by: James Tanner on 10 Dec 2015, 11:34 am
Hi James,

I have a BP26MM.  Would the gain setting on the internal MM stage factor into the decision as to which TF-2 gain alternative you would deploy.  As I recall there is a 6 db differential in the two gain setting options.  If my factory setting is 35 db as opposed to 41 db and my Benz Micro Wood SL outputs .5 mv would the 20 db TF-2 still be in order?

Also, I don't recall what my setting is.  if I can't find it in my documentation can Bryston provide it with my serial number?

Thanks,

Bill

Hi Bill

No the internal gain setting on the preamp would not enter into the decision.  You are concerned about over driving the input stage of your phono section not the output from the internal MM phono stage.

The Bryston MM phono section can handle up to 10 mV of input before overload.

james

Title: Re: Bryston - New Phono Products
Post by: rollo on 10 Dec 2015, 03:13 pm
  Good move James. IMO SS phono stages are the best. Low distortion basically zero noise offering a dead quite black background. Bryston circuitry now in a phono stage as a separate component oh my !!
   Do I need a bakery ticket or just stand on line ? Kudos James you never disappoint.


charles
Title: Re: Bryston - New Phono Products
Post by: stonedeaf on 10 Dec 2015, 11:40 pm
James - what is the actual MM phono overload spec ? IOW -how many mV before the input is overdriven into distortion ?
Title: Re: Bryston - New Phono Products
Post by: James Tanner on 11 Dec 2015, 12:27 am
James - what is the actual MM phono overload spec ? IOW -how many mV before the input is overdriven into distortion ?

HI

10 mV

james

Title: Re: Bryston - New Phono Products
Post by: kosh2258 on 26 Dec 2015, 06:30 pm
Will these be offered in black finish as well as the brushed aluminum shown?
Title: Re: Bryston - New Phono Products
Post by: James Tanner on 26 Dec 2015, 11:26 pm
Will these be offered in black finish as well as the brushed aluminum shown?

Hi

Yes Black or Silver.

james

Title: Re: Bryston - New Phono Products
Post by: doveman on 28 Dec 2015, 12:21 am
How old of a design is the internal phono board for the B135? how does it compare to this new external unit?

Title: Re: Bryston - New Phono Products
Post by: James Tanner on 28 Dec 2015, 01:20 am
How old of a design is the internal phono board for the B135? how does it compare to this new external unit?

Hi

It's a new design - same as the one in our new 1/3rd phono stages.

James
Title: Re: Bryston - New Phono Products
Post by: doveman on 28 Dec 2015, 06:39 am
That's good to know, saves having extra cables and power supplies.

Is the phono board like the IAD? can it be ordered from you guys and fit by the end user, looking at photos it seems like a board that just slots in?
Title: Re: Bryston - New Phono Products
Post by: James Tanner on 28 Dec 2015, 11:31 am
That's good to know, saves having extra cables and power supplies.

Is the phono board like the IAD? can it be ordered from you guys and fit by the end user, looking at photos it seems like a board that just slots in?

Yes it is a board that slots in - it is MM only not MC capable.

james


Title: Re: Bryston - New Phono Products
Post by: James Tanner on 17 Oct 2016, 02:06 pm
Hi James,

Just connected the new phono...and its absolutely superb out of the box ! 

Beautiful tonal balance and a level if detail and depth which i never experienced before...now i know what i missed all these years..

Cheers to you !

Tom
Title: Re: Bryston - New Phono Products
Post by: bacmsl on 23 Oct 2016, 02:22 pm
Question for JT, I have an older BP26, about 10 years old, with the MM-MC stage built into it. My question is, are there any upgrades to the phono section that can be done at the factory.

Barry
Title: Re: Bryston - New Phono Products
Post by: James Tanner on 23 Oct 2016, 02:48 pm
Question for JT, I have an older BP26, about 10 years old, with the MM-MC stage built into it. My question is, are there any upgrades to the phono section that can be done at the factory.

Barry

Hi Barry

Yes I believe so - we are using some new MC transformers which with a bracket change can be fitted into the BP-26 - I can ask Mike if you are interested.

james
Title: Re: Bryston - New Phono Products
Post by: bacmsl on 26 Oct 2016, 11:29 pm
Yes I am interested, be. If because I love my BP-26, if Bryston ever made another pre at that level of competence and great sounding I would buy it in a heart beat.

Barry
Title: Re: Bryston - New Phono Products
Post by: James Tanner on 27 Oct 2016, 01:32 am
Yes I am interested, be. If because I love my BP-26, if Bryston ever made another pre at that level of competence and great sounding I would buy it in a heart beat.

Barry

OK email Mike - mpickett@bryston.com

james
Title: Re: Bryston - New Phono Products
Post by: Jimmy71 on 28 Oct 2016, 06:19 pm
OK email Mike - mpickett@bryston.com

james
Hi James I upgraded my BP 26 to MM MC last year did I get the new transformers?
Title: Re: Bryston - New Phono Products
Post by: James Tanner on 29 Oct 2016, 02:10 am
Hi James I upgraded my BP 26 to MM MC last year did I get the new transformers?

Hi

I do not think so as we just designed them a few months ago.

james

Title: Re: Bryston - New Phono Products
Post by: James Tanner on 14 Jan 2017, 02:58 am
Hi James,

I think I already did, but did I tell you how stupid good the new 3 piece Bryston phono-stage is?

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=156296)

I’m using the TF-2(30db)/BP2-MM/PS-3 at an MSRP of 3.3K CDN between an Ortofon A65/Kronos Pro turntable/Kronos Black Beauty Tonearm/ SPSC Power supply MSRP 66K USD and the Tenor Line1/Power1 pre-amp MSRP $115K CDN.

Price-wise the Bryston is completely outclassed, making up less than 2% of the total cost of the turntable/phonostage/pre-amp and WOW, I’m am just stunned. It’s so natural yet detailed. Has tons of gain and energy yet extremely quiet. This is such a fantastic phono pre-amp regardless of price. At only $3300 and $2750 for the BP-2 MM/MC with PS-3 (which is the way I would go if I wasn’t a retailer needing a transformer (TF-2) to demo on it’s own) it’s a killer bargain.

Another job well done by the Bryston team, congrats.

Cheers,

Mark.
Audio by Mark Jones
Title: Re: Bryston - New Phono Products
Post by: James Tanner on 3 Apr 2017, 04:37 pm
Hi James

Good morning, you may not remember me.  I talked with you at the hifi show in Montreal.

After the show my dealer Nicolas lent me a Bryston phono transformer -  MC 20 dB. I have to say that this is at least the tenth moving coil stage I have tried and this is it!

It does not sound solid state, it is precise on all bands, superb bass, excellent sound stage, no  noise ( I will have to let go my reference tube phono with Rothwell MC1 SUT). 

Can you tell me why you went that route vs competitor. To me the dynavector DV-20X2L  cartridge is an excellent match.

I have a preamp on order.

I consider the Bryston products excellent and really hifi!

Rejean Falardeau

Title: Re: Bryston - New Phono Products
Post by: 95Dyna on 3 Jun 2017, 07:25 pm
Hi James,

Is the BP26 internal MM section the same as the outboard BP2 MM?  Just curious, are you no longer offering the internal sections on the BP26 as I don't see them on the website??

Thanks,

Bill
Title: Re: Bryston - New Phono Products
Post by: James Tanner on 3 Jun 2017, 07:40 pm
Hi James,

Is the BP26 internal MM section the same as the outboard BP2 MM?  Just curious, are you no longer offering the internal sections on the BP26 as I don't see them on the website??

Thanks,

Bill

Hi Bill,

Yes you can still order the Phono stage internal with the BD-26.  Yes they are the same phono stage.

james

Title: Re: Bryston - New Phono Products
Post by: 95Dyna on 4 Jun 2017, 06:37 pm
Thanks James, based on the input from a couple of the folks above I am now very encouraged to put the TF2 with the new capacitors in front of my BP 26 mm phono stage instead of buying an entire new MC phono stage to upgrade my current outboard MC stage.
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I'll be using either my existing Benz wood SL or a new ortofon Cadenza bronze. Both have an input of .4 MV with a 5 ohm and 10 ohm load respectively. Hopefully either cartridge will match well with the TF2 any thoughts would be appreciated.

quote author=James Tanner link=topic=137816.msg1612210#msg1612210 date=1496518851]
Hi Bill,

Yes you can still order the Phono stage internal with the BD-26.  Yes they are the same phono stage.

james
[/quote]
Title: Re: Bryston - New Phono Products
Post by: James Tanner on 4 Jun 2017, 11:26 pm
A step-up Moving-Coil transformer is designed to accept the lower voltage output from the MC cartridge and increase the voltage to a point which is acceptable to the input stage of the standard MM phono section. The Bryston Moving-Coil step-up transformer is available in two versions...with a 20dB or a 30dB gain option. Your choice on which unit is most appropriate will be determined by the voltage output of your chosen cartridge.

•   From .1 to .2 mV we would recommend the 30dB version
•   At .3 mV we would say either version would work fine
•   From .4 to .5 mV or more we would recommend the 20dB version

An important point to consider when choosing which Step-up to use is you do not want to over-power or under-power the MM phono stage. Under-powering results in not having enough GAIN in the system and over-powering can result in voltage overload and the resultant distortion.


james
Title: Re: Bryston - New Phono Products
Post by: pabiz on 20 Jun 2017, 02:32 pm
How old is the internal MM phono board for the B100? how does it sounds compare to this BMM new external unit?
I  don't know wich phono stage to buy.
Thanks Paolo

Title: Re: Bryston - New Phono Products
Post by: James Tanner on 20 Jun 2017, 03:41 pm
How old is the internal MM phono board for the B100? how does it sounds compare to this BMM new external unit?
I  don't know wich phono stage to buy.
Thanks Paolo

Hi Polo

The internal phono board is about an 8 year old design.  The new board in the BMM is a new design using a slightly different circuit topology.

james
Title: Re: Bryston - New Phono Products
Post by: pabiz on 20 Jun 2017, 05:51 pm
Thank you so much for reply James .I'm Thinking about it and for sure the new BMM sound much better.I contact my dealer in Italy and The old phono card cost 890 euro instead of the BMM cost a Little more but it sounds better with new design and more flexibile equipment.For BMM I need the power supply too?No power available
 from my B 100 sst?
Title: Re: Bryston - New Phono Products
Post by: James Tanner on 20 Jun 2017, 06:09 pm
Thank you so much for reply James .I'm Thinking about it and for sure the new BMM sound much better.I contact my dealer in Italy and The old phono card cost 890 euro instead of the BMM cost a Little more but it sounds better with new design and more flexibile equipment.For BMM I need the power supply too?No power available
 from my B 100 sst?

Hi

Yes you will need the PS-3 power supply.

http://bryston.com/products/phono/PS-3.html

james
Title: Re: Bryston - New Phono Products
Post by: pabiz on 20 Jun 2017, 07:32 pm
Ok ,I also found an used MM phono card for Bryston B135 and the dealer tell me I can install it into my Bryston B100 sst,is it True?is this a new design like the BMM?
Title: Re: Bryston - New Phono Products
Post by: James Tanner on 20 Jun 2017, 07:35 pm
Ok ,I also found an used MM phono card for Bryston B135 and the dealer tell me I can install it into my Bryston B100 sst,is it True?is this a new design like the BMM?

Hi

I would assume its the older card as we have not sold any new cards in the B135's - just the B135 Cubed.

james
Title: Re: Bryston - New Phono Products
Post by: pabiz on 21 Jun 2017, 07:56 am

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=164246)
This is the pictures of phono card.
Thanks
Title: Re: Bryston - New Phono Products
Post by: James Tanner on 21 Jun 2017, 03:36 pm
OK this is the new board so make sure you get the mounting kit as well.

james
Title: Re: Bryston - New Phono Products
Post by: pabiz on 22 Jun 2017, 08:53 am
very well james ,Thanks for informations ,much appreciated.
I Hope the card arrives as Soon as possible and than I can report the results,however no dubts it's anoter amazing products from Bryston.

Paolo
Title: Re: Bryston - New Phono Products
Post by: William D. Lester on 10 Jul 2017, 05:12 pm
So to confirm, if I order the internal MM phono stage for my B135sst2, it will be the same as the BP-2 phono stage? And I can just plug it in or do I need an installation kit as well? I am using a ProJect Tube Box S but the internal stage will be a neater set up with one less set of interconnects.

By the way, I received my new BCD-3 this past week. Absolutely delighted. Thanks.
Title: Re: Bryston - New Phono Products
Post by: James Tanner on 10 Jul 2017, 08:08 pm
So to confirm, if I order the internal MM phono stage for my B135sst2, it will be the same as the BP-2 phono stage? And I can just plug it in or do I need an installation kit as well? I am using a ProJect Tube Box S but the internal stage will be a neater set up with one less set of interconnects.

By the way, I received my new BCD-3 this past week. Absolutely delighted. Thanks.

Hi William

It does come with a mounting kit. 

Glad you like the CD player.

james
Title: Re: Bryston - New Phono Products
Post by: William D. Lester on 10 Jul 2017, 08:31 pm
Thanks James. It is the same as the BP-2 MM preamp?
Title: Re: Bryston - New Phono Products
Post by: James Tanner on 10 Jul 2017, 08:32 pm
Thanks James. It is the same as the BP-2 MM preamp?

Yes it is.

james
Title: Re: Bryston - New Phono Products
Post by: spartana on 27 Aug 2017, 03:36 am
OK this is the new board so make sure you get the mounting kit as well.

james

James, does this mean it is ok to install the phono card by myself or do I need to do it via my dealer to not loose my warranty?
Title: Re: Bryston - New Phono Products
Post by: James Tanner on 27 Aug 2017, 10:54 am
James, does this mean it is ok to install the phono card by myself or do I need to do it via my dealer to not loose my warranty?

You can do it yourself but you have to remove the top (unplug first!) and use a few tools etc. - so we usually recommend the dealer does it for you.

james
Title: Re: Bryston - New Phono Products
Post by: James Tanner on 27 Sep 2017, 06:52 am
Gents,

I inserted the TF-2 into my system last night. So the Ortofon Quintet Black feeds the TF-2 into the phono stage of the CJ preamp. I sure have plenty of gain now!

My system is very different than it was in CT, but I can’t tell yet which characteristics to attribute to room acoustics and which to the new cartridge. But I had imaging this evening way outside the speakers and good depth too. Dynamics of the Quintet Black are good and my system is resolving that well.

I played Surfer Girl and In My Room from a MoFi pressing of Surfer Girl and the staging was awesome, vocal presentation dead center.

Mike
Title: Re: Bryston - New Phono Products
Post by: Doug Tate on 8 Oct 2017, 11:32 am
Hi James,

I have a B135 Cubed with MM phono stage. Is possible to use the PS-3 with it and would there be any advantage in doing this?

Thanks,
Doug
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=169538)
Title: Re: Bryston - New Phono Products
Post by: James Tanner on 8 Oct 2017, 01:24 pm
Hi Doug

No and there would not be any advantage.

james
Title: Re: Bryston - New Phono Products
Post by: Stefan_DR3 on 12 Oct 2017, 08:56 pm
Does anyone else have a TF2-30?  What are the specs on your cart and is it happy with the impedance?
I read that input impedence is fixed on all TF2 at a very high 47k!

The user manual is misleading :duh: so I'm editing my post for the record, based on some info from Bryston and the datasheet for the Jensen transformer inside the TF-2.

The TF2 is like most any other transformer and has a "natural impedance" which is a factor of the turns ratio.  The 47k ohms comes from the MM stage it is most likely connected to.  The formula to calculate the input impedance that a cartridge would "see" is:

Zin = 47,000 ohms * (Turns_Ratio) ^ 2

where the TF2-20 Turns_Ratio is 1:10.

Therefore:

Zin = 47,000  * (0.1) ^ 2 = 47,000 / 100 = 470 ohms  :thumb:


The TF2-30 turns ratio is much higher (probably 1:35) so its Zin will be lower (< 40 ohms) as expected.  This is probably more important for cartridge matching than the actual voltage gain in dB.


Here's more info on the theory and a table of data on step-up devices:
http://www.mh-audio.nl/StepUp%20Transformer.asp
Title: Re: Bryston - New Phono Products
Post by: 95Dyna on 23 Oct 2017, 05:49 pm
Hi James,

Just received my new BP2 today. I disconnected my existing stage which was working fine and connected the BP2.  When I turned up the volume without a signal I immediately heard a significant hum.  All the IC's and ground cables are connected correctly.  I tried a different jack on the MPS2 as well as a different line level input on the BP26 to no avail. The BP2 is not located anywhere near the Torus, MPS2 or 7Bs. I played one side of a very familiar album and I must say this is a terrific phono stage.  Major improvement across the frequency range especially in bass presence and quality. The hum is very noticeable during quiet passages and during fade outs at the end of tracks.

Any thoughts on what the cause may be? The manual does not have troubleshooting page. Anyone else out there who has a BP2 using the MPS2 please chime in as well.

Thanks,

Bill
Title: Re: Bryston - New Phono Products
Post by: James Tanner on 23 Oct 2017, 06:59 pm
Hi James,

Just received my new BP2 today. I disconnected my existing stage which was working fine and connected the BP2.  When I turned up the volume without a signal I immediately heard a significant hum.  All the IC's and ground cables are connected correctly.  I tried a different jack on the MPS2 as well as a different line level input on the BP26 to no avail. The BP2 is not located anywhere near the Torus, MPS2 or 7Bs. I played one side of a very familiar album and I must say this is a terrific phono stage.  Major improvement across the frequency range especially in bass presence and quality. The hum is very noticeable during quiet passages and during fade outs at the end of tracks.

Any thoughts on what the cause may be? The manual does not have troubleshooting page. Anyone else out there who has a BP2 using the MPS2 please chime in as well.

Thanks,

Bill

Hi Bill,

Check with Mike - mine at home is dead quiet.

james
Title: Re: Bryston - New Phono Products
Post by: 95Dyna on 23 Oct 2017, 08:35 pm
Thanks James, will do. BTW, are you using PS3 or MPS2 at home with your BP2?
Title: Re: Bryston - New Phono Products
Post by: James Tanner on 23 Oct 2017, 09:15 pm
Thanks James, will do. BTW, are you using PS3 or MPS2 at home with your BP2?

PS3
Title: Re: Bryston - New Phono Products
Post by: 95Dyna on 23 Oct 2017, 10:27 pm
PS3

Thanks.  I contacted Mike via the contact form on the website. Is that the best way to get ahold of him?  I don't have his direct email address.
Title: Re: Bryston - New Phono Products
Post by: Johnny2Bad on 23 Oct 2017, 11:38 pm
Thanks.  I contacted Mike via the contact form on the website. Is that the best way to get ahold of him?  I don't have his direct email address.

See post #33 in this thread.
Title: Re: Bryston - New Phono Products
Post by: James Tanner on 24 Oct 2017, 12:08 am
Thanks.  I contacted Mike via the contact form on the website. Is that the best way to get ahold of him?  I don't have his direct email address.

mpickett@bryston.com

james
Title: Re: Bryston - New Phono Products
Post by: 95Dyna on 24 Oct 2017, 07:28 pm
mpickett@bryston.com

james

James,

I spoke with Mike today who tells me the BP2 cannot be plugged into a spare outlet on the MPS2. This is why I asked which PS you were using at home.  After all my  troubleshooting my suspicion turned toward something in the MPS2 not being right for the BP2.  "Quiet operation" requires a splitter so the BP2 can be connected to the  same outlet as the BP26.  The required splitter was not included in my shipment.  Mike is sending it to me.

I'm hoping that the sound quality is not compromised over using the PS3.  The word splitter is anathema to many audiophiles.  Hopefully that applies more to signal flow than it does to power distribution especially in this scenario as neither the BP2 nor the BP26 consumes mass quantities of power.

Bill

Title: Re: Bryston - New Phono Products
Post by: Stefan_DR3 on 4 Nov 2017, 04:59 am
I spoke with Mike today who tells me the BP2 cannot be plugged into a spare outlet on the MPS2. ...  "Quiet operation" requires a splitter so the BP2 can be connected to the  same outlet as the BP26.  The required splitter was not included in my shipment.  Mike is sending it to me.

I'm hoping that the sound quality is not compromised over using the PS3.  The word splitter is anathema to many audiophiles.  Hopefully that applies more to signal flow than it does to power distribution especially in this scenario as neither the BP2 nor the BP26 consumes mass quantities of power.

Bill, did the splitter solve your problem?  If so, I wouldn't sweat it.  These are DC power supplies. 

I found this statement in http://bryston.com/PDF/brochures/PHONO_BROCHURE.pdf:

Your Bryston MPS-2 can power
multiple Bryston electronics
such as the BP-2, BP-26 and
more. Contact Bryston for a
custom DC power cable.
An
additional PS-3 is not required.

I am surprised to hear Mike's answer though.  The fact that you can't use another outlet on the MPS2 implies that there is some amount of DC offset between the outputs causing a ground loop.  I wonder if the MPS2 can be re-calibrated.
Title: Re: Bryston - New Phono Products
Post by: Stefan_DR3 on 9 Nov 2017, 05:06 pm
I disconnected my existing stage which was working fine and connected the BP2.  When I turned up the volume without a signal I immediately heard a significant hum.  All the IC's and ground cables are connected correctly. 

Any thoughts on what the cause may be? The manual does not have troubleshooting page. Anyone else out there who has a BP2 using the MPS2 please chime in as well.

I have a brand new BP-17 Cubed with built-in phono stage (same circuit as BP-2 MM) and experiencing a similar problem.  I have been in contact with Bryston tech support who are trying to reproduce my setup.  I also added a TF-2 step-up transformer which seems to exacerbate the hum/buzz.  The TF-2 seems to be working fine in another system so I think something is wrong with the phono board or the way it is wired into the preamp.
Title: Re: Bryston - New Phono Products
Post by: 95Dyna on 14 Nov 2017, 12:08 am
I have a brand new BP-17 Cubed with built-in phono stage (same circuit as BP-2 MM) and experiencing a similar problem.  I have been in contact with Bryston tech support who are trying to reproduce my setup.  I also added a TF-2 step-up transformer which seems to exacerbate the hum/buzz.  The TF-2 seems to be working fine in another system so I think something is wrong with the phono board or the way it is wired into the preamp.

Hi Stefan,

I sent you a PM.  Thanks for responding :thumb:
Title: Re: Bryston - New Phono Products
Post by: Stefan_DR3 on 10 Dec 2017, 09:28 pm
I have a brand new BP-17 Cubed with built-in phono stage (same circuit as BP-2 MM) and experiencing a similar problem.  I have been in contact with Bryston tech support who are trying to reproduce my setup.  I also added a TF-2 step-up transformer which seems to exacerbate the hum/buzz.  The TF-2 seems to be working fine in another system so I think something is wrong with the phono board or the way it is wired into the preamp.

It's been a month :o so time for an update. 


At this point I am ready to send them the MM phono board and/or the TF-2 because no matter how I connect the ground the phono is unusable.  Just waiting for Bryston to provide RMA ...  :scratch:


Title: Re: Bryston - New Phono Products
Post by: James Tanner on 11 Dec 2017, 12:44 pm
It's been a month :o so time for an update. 

  • The TF-2 has only a chassis ground (it is a passive component) which goes nowhere unless "daisy chained" to the preamp's ground terminal.  But when I connect the ground terminals with a spare wire the noise gets much louder.
  • Mike @ Bryston is looking for a grounding fix within the TF-2.
  • The TF-2 on its own works fine with same turntable connected to my old Yamaha receiver.
  • My Sonic Frontiers Phono stage works fine with the Bryston preamp (line input) and same turntable.

At this point I am ready to send them the MM phono board and/or the TF-2 because no matter how I connect the ground the phono is unusable.  Just waiting for Bryston to provide RMA ...  :scratch:
\\

Hi

The current TF2 seems to work fine with our own Bryston turntable as is but  i am playing around at home with the TF2 and a modification we have tried on other tables and will let you know.

james
Title: Re: Bryston - New Phono Products
Post by: 95Dyna on 11 Dec 2017, 06:02 pm
It's been a month :o so time for an update. 

  • The TF-2 has only a chassis ground (it is a passive component) which goes nowhere unless "daisy chained" to the preamp's ground terminal.  But when I connect the ground terminals with a spare wire the noise gets much louder.
  • Mike @ Bryston is looking for a grounding fix within the TF-2.
  • The TF-2 on its own works fine with same turntable connected to my old Yamaha receiver.
  • My Sonic Frontiers Phono stage works fine with the Bryston preamp (line input) and same turntable.

At this point I am ready to send them the MM phono board and/or the TF-2 because no matter how I connect the ground the phono is unusable.  Just waiting for Bryston to provide RMA ...  :scratch:

It's been 2.5 months since I received my BP2  unusable out of the box due to excessive hum. After extensive troubleshooting of my own and multiple trial and error at  Mike's direction and several weeks of engineering investigation Mike instructed me to send it back to be serviced as they think there is an improperly wired internal ground in the MM section.  He said he thinks the problem is in my particular unit and not a BP2 problem at  large.  Based on your experience I'm not  so sure.  I don't expect a resolution to this before the new year the way things  are going.
Title: Re: Bryston - New Phono Products
Post by: 95Dyna on 28 Dec 2017, 10:14 pm
Hi Bill,

Check with Mike - mine at home is dead quiet.

james

Hi James,

Can you please check on the status of my BP2.  It was DOA when I bought it back in October (see above post for details). I emailed Mike for an update but he is off until 1/3. I copied you with the message trail if that helps.

Thanks,

Bill
Title: Re: Bryston - New Phono Products
Post by: James Tanner on 28 Dec 2017, 11:46 pm
Hi James,

Can you please check on the status of my BP2.  It was DOA when I bought it back in October (see above post for details). I emailed Mike for an update but he is off until 1/3. I copied you with the message trail if that helps.

Thanks,

Bill

Hi Bill

Ok I will look into it.

James
Title: Re: Bryston - New Phono Products
Post by: James Tanner on 29 Dec 2017, 05:41 pm
Hi Bill

I tried to find out what was happening but Mike is the one doing the mode so I am sorry but will not be able to get back to you till Tuesday.

James
Title: Re: Bryston - New Phono Products
Post by: 95Dyna on 29 Dec 2017, 11:55 pm
Hi Bill

I tried to find out what was happening but Mike is the one doing the mode so I am sorry but will not be able to get back to you till Tuesday.

James

OK, thanks James.  While I have your attention what is Bryston's official policy when a customer is shipped a new piece of equipment that is DOA or unusable?  It doesn't seem consistent with what I know Bryston to be to have the customer go through a lengthy trial and error process (in this case it will be three months) with long intervals between responses/updates.  At this point I still don't know what's wrong or if there is a fix.  No hard feelings intended as I know nothing runs perfectly all the time and you guys do an excellent job otherwise.

Regards,

Bill
Title: Re: Bryston - New Phono Products
Post by: James Tanner on 30 Dec 2017, 01:02 am
OK, thanks James.  While I have your attention what is Bryston's official policy when a customer is shipped a new piece of equipment that is DOA or unusable?  It doesn't seem consistent with what I know Bryston to be to have the customer go through a lengthy trial and error process (in this case it will be three months) with long intervals between responses/updates.  At this point I still don't know what's wrong or if there is a fix.  No hard feelings intended as I know nothing runs perfectly all the time and you guys do an excellent job otherwise.

Regards,

Bill

Hi Bill

Yes it is frustrating I know - I think the issue is we have lots of phono stages out there with no issues and this one seems really weird.  According to Mike I believe he can not seem to duplicate the problem and did not want to return it or another unit and have the same issue.

james

Title: Re: Bryston - New Phono Products
Post by: 95Dyna on 30 Dec 2017, 01:52 am
 Thanks for taking the time to respond. Wishing you, your family and Bryston a Happy and Prosperous New Year :thumb:
Title: Re: Bryston - New Phono Products
Post by: James Tanner on 30 Dec 2017, 02:01 am
Thanks for taking the time to respond. Wishing you, your family and Bryston a Happy and Prosperous New Year :thumb:

All the best of the new year to you as well Bill.  :thumb:

james
Title: Re: Bryston - New Phono Products
Post by: 95Dyna on 8 Jan 2018, 10:32 pm
Hi Bill

Yes it is frustrating I know - I think the issue is we have lots of phono stages out there with no issues and this one seems really weird.  According to Mike I believe he can not seem to duplicate the problem and did not want to return it or another unit and have the same issue.

james

Hi James,

I received what I consider a final disposition on my BP2 today from Mike.  I responded to Mike with what I want to do at this point and have copied you as well as my dealer.  I would appreciate if you read my message to Mike and help me move this situation along.

Thanks,

Bill
Title: Re: Bryston - New Phono Products
Post by: James Tanner on 8 Jan 2018, 11:54 pm
OK will do.

james
Title: Re: Bryston - New Phono Products
Post by: James Tanner on 19 Aug 2018, 12:43 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston Phono Stage – New Review – Coming Soon

August 2018

Hi Folks,

A superb in-depth review on the Bryston Phono stage is due out shortly in a new NOVO Magazine ‘High-End’ online publication – will send complete review link when available.

Sneak peek below.
 
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=183516)

The Bryston BP-2 MM/MC Phono Preamp/With The PS-3 Power Supply:

By Andre Marc

“In fact, the Bryston BP-2 MM/MC phono stage revealed so much of what was in the grooves it provided an incentive to engage in record hunting, which this household has not done for a while since we own a healthy collection.

Out came the wallet and during this review, we scored several choice pressings that have been on the shopping list.

Having had hundreds of review components come through our system, it has never been so difficult facing the notion packing up and sending back gear to the manufacturer.

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=183517)   

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=183518)

This Bryston phono stage pair was simply transformative for my vinyl listening.”
 

Title: Re: Bryston - New Phono Products
Post by: James Tanner on 11 Dec 2018, 12:55 pm
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=187837)


MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston MC/MM Phono Stage & PS-3 Power Supply

December 2018

Hi Folks,

Great to see our Bryston Phono stage getting some recognition in today’s reemerging phono market – this time in combination with the new Rega 6 turntable!


Favourate Quote:

“The Bryston BP-2 with the PS-3 external power supply, at $2700 for the combo, is a steal in my opinion.

Call us crazy, but we feel it competes with far more expensive phono stages especially where a good part of the price is allocated to big, impressive enclosures, and quasi-exotic parts in non-critical areas.

The BP-2 board, by the way, can be ordered installed into Bryston preamp.”

                       
Link To Full Review:

http://fairhedon.com/2018/12/10/paired-rega-planar-6-turntable-bryston-bp-2-phono-stage/?fbclid=IwAR07c0dM6BnmnMDNn1JM3zTMt3DU2HA1CkkMcGrbMXx69Kp6JqWAZpVRdiE

Title: Re: Bryston - New Phono Products
Post by: stonedeaf on 15 Dec 2018, 01:53 am
James- if I finally get around to sending my BP-25 in to be upgraded to a 26 -could I get the new phono stage installed at the same time ? It currently has only line level inputs .
Title: Re: Bryston - New Phono Products
Post by: James Tanner on 15 Dec 2018, 10:55 am
James- if I finally get around to sending my BP-25 in to be upgraded to a 26 -could I get the new phono stage installed at the same time ? It currently has only line level inputs .

Hi

Yes the phono stage MM or MC can be installed at the same time.

james
Title: Re: Bryston - New Phono Products
Post by: James Tanner on 21 Apr 2019, 12:34 pm
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=193693)

MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston Phono Stage – Customer Feedback

April 2019   
   
Bryston BP-2/PS-3 Phono Preamp/Power Supply

I've had a Rega RP-10 turntable, Grado Statement 2 cartridge, and Bryston BP-2 phono preamp powered by the Bryston PS-3 outboard power supply for about a year now (thanks Ivan!). I have to say this combination of gear provides very detailed, smooth, and musical sound quality for a reasonable price in today's audiophile terms.

The Bryston BP-2/PS-3 combo costs a mere $2750 total MSRP. I have to admit when Ivan recommended this I was a little skeptical. He assured me their performance would far exceed the expectation set by their price. Well sure enough, he's right!  The power cord I have (WW Platinum Electra) powering them costs more than the BP-2/PS-3! The preamp does its part to provide a highly revealing presentation of records.

The other day, I was listening to a remastered Pink Floyd Dark Side of the Moon album which I had purchased without doing thorough research. The reviews for this particular record were highly positive, and indeed it does sound very good. But the thought hit me part way through the album - "hmmm, this sounds more digital than analog." Being curious if my ears and my system were telling me something I hadn't expected, I started looking into this particular remastering background. Sure enough, it was remastered in the digital domain.

This is a sign of a great phono preamp. Revealing and highly truthful. I have no desire to spend more for a much more expensive preamp.

Y-lee
Senior Member
Title: Re: Bryston - New Phono Products
Post by: James Tanner on 2 Jul 2019, 09:53 am

 I just installed the optional phono stage in my BP-17(3) and I have to say it is fantastic. It is the exact same MM board that goes into the Bryston BP-2. (One small difference is that you cant change the mm capacitance loading the way you can in the BP-2)

Got it on a whim to try it out because the Stereophile review was so good. From a sonics standpoint -- compared to cost no object phono stages, I'd rate the board as very very good to excellent. IMHO It is so good that I plan to add a step up transformer for my moving coil, sell my outboard phono stage, and call it a day.


urbanluthier
Title: Re: Bryston - New Phono Products
Post by: James Tanner on 2 Jul 2019, 09:58 am
http://bryston.com/PDF/reviews/2019_06_Review_Stereophile_BP_17_3.pdf
Title: Re: Bryston - New Phono Products
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 2 Jul 2019, 12:44 pm
^^ that user's power cord cost more than his Bryston phono combo??  :duh: :nono:

I wonder what the SQ is with just a regular cord!  8)

Title: Re: Bryston - New Phono Products
Post by: James Tanner on 10 Sep 2021, 12:28 am

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=229478)
Title: Re: Bryston - New Phono Products
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