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Audio/Video Gear and Systems => Owner's Circles => Digital Amplifier Company Owners => Topic started by: AmpDesigner333 on 28 Jul 2020, 12:38 am
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....driven by Cherry MEGA MK2 Stereo Amplifier and 130dB+ Cherry DAC DAC 2HS !!
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=212448)
Just getting started, but these sound really nice. More to follow....
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....by the way, these speakers require bi-wire, or a workaround, and bananas are necessary due to the connector type, although that’s what I like to use anyway.
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=212453)
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=212454)
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What's with the banana inputs on them? I thought all Vandersteens shipped with barrier strips.
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I see Dynaudio Sapphires along with the Vandies
Are the Maggie’s 1.6 or 1.7s?
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Are the Maggie’s 1.6 or 1.7s?
1.7i
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Congratulations on the vandys. Do you have the bases for them? It’s very important you get the tilt correct in relation to your seating position. They also need very little toe in. You can go on vandersteens website go under 2ce signatures and you can find the chart that will show you how to set them up correctly. Yours may be older but will still apply to yours. I’ve owned the 2ce signature ii’s and now own 3a Signatures , vandys are excellent speakers and even better when setup correctly. One more thing , the more clean watts you give them the better they respond, they love power .
Audiofreak71
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Unfortunately, one of the woofers seems to have an issue....
It’s only noticeable when loud and when there’s lots of bass.
Anyone out there ever fix one of these?
Thanks.
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Congratulations on the vandys. Do you have the bases for them? It’s very important you get the tilt correct in relation to your seating position. They also need very little toe in. You can go on vandersteens website go under 2ce signatures and you can find the chart that will show you how to set them up correctly. Yours may be older but will still apply to yours. I’ve owned the 2ce signature ii’s and now own 3a Signatures , vandys are excellent speakers and even better when setup correctly. One more thing , the more clean watts you give them the better they respond, they love power .
Audiofreak71
Thanks for the feedback. I’m really enjoying them, despite a small issue (see above). Lots of power to drive them here (Cherry MEGA MK2 Stereo currently).
Strangely, mine say just “2” on the back (see photo above), not 2Ce, but the boxes say 2Ce and so does the manual....
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Unfortunately, one of the woofers seems to have an issue....
It’s only noticeable when loud and when there’s lots of bass.
Is it a rattle or a broken connection? One of the leads from the woofer coil to the post may have an intermittent break which can sound like a rattle when it cuts out. One way to tell is to use a continuity tester and manually move the cone. If the tone stops and starts then you will have to find the break because it will only get worse. Depending on the location the break may be repairable with MG Chemicals 8331 Silver Conductive Epoxy Adhesive. Usually the death rattle means you need a replacement woofer.
Or it could be loose screws somewhere.
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Is it a rattle or a broken connection? One of the leads from the woofer coil to the post may have an intermittent break which can sound like a rattle when it cuts out. One way to tell is to use a continuity tester and manually move the cone. If the tone stops and starts then you will have to find the break because it will only get worse. Depending on the location the break may be repairable with MG Chemicals 8331 Silver Conductive Epoxy Adhesive. Usually the death rattle means you need a replacement woofer.
Or it could be loose screws somewhere.
Thanks for the info. I’ll probably solder the voice coil connection if it’s that. Good idea for something to check!
The real issue is getting the damn grill cloth off to take a look. They should have made the grills removable, at least from the front! Plus, the connector arrangement creates an additional issue with wiring, so I’m using two pairs of 8’ Cherry MEGA Snakes (9-gauge equivalent), but that’s another story.
These sound way too good for the “problem woofer” to have a rubbing coil. Sadly, I’m all too familiar with that. It might be a loose mounting screw like you said, or the surround might be unglued in a small area (how to fix that?).
I base this on the sound when varying the volume while playing 40 Hz and other close frequency sine wave test tones. It’s ok until excursion gets large, which is why your coil connection theory makes the most sense so far.
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Concerning the "CE" version, the version designation is in the serial number stamped on the plate. CE will follow the numbers if CE version. Prior version has C stamped at end of numbers.
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... , or the surround might be unglued in a small area (how to fix that?).
Surrounds are easily repaired. If simply loose, use a bit of rubber cement to reattach. More likely is a rip or deterioration. Even then, a complete replacement isn't a difficult job. I've done it more than a few times.
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make sure the screws on the bases are tight underneath. I had a pair with the same problem
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Concerning the "CE" version, the version designation is in the serial number stamped on the plate. CE will follow the numbers if CE version. Prior version has C stamped at end of numbers.
Thanks very much for that information! Yes, it has “Ce” after the serial number. Whew!
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make sure the screws on the bases are tight underneath. I had a pair with the same problem
The stand or the bottom “plate”?
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both
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My guess would be surrounds separating but it could be something else. Couple links below. I think I would want to inspect them and if they need repair send the drivers to Vandersteen to do it.
https://audiokarma.org/forums/index.php?threads/vandersteen-2ce-mid-driver-problem.179759/
https://www.diyaudio.com/forums/multi-way/289655-woofer-surround-repair.html
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Tommy,
Pull both woofers and send them up State to Mr. Bill LeGall and get them done better than new. He Da Master !
PS; Still hunting for my Multimeter ......
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Tommy,
Pull both woofers and send them up State to Mr. Bill LeGall and get them done better than new. He Da Master !
PS; Still hunting for my Multimeter ......
Is this his website?
http://www.millersound.net/
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Tommy,
Yes you have it correct. He will make sure everything is good to go thru an thru.
Doug
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Millersound is the real deal. They've been fixing old, worn out, speakers a very long time. I very highly recommend them.
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Tommy,
Like I mentioned, get it / them done correct. PS: If one is bad likely both need service. Miller Sound is the real deal period !
DW
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Thanks for the info. I’ll probably solder the voice coil connection if it’s that. Good idea for something to check!
These sound way too good for the “problem woofer” to have a rubbing coil. Sadly, I’m all too familiar with that. It might be a loose mounting screw like you said, or the surround might be unglued in a small area (how to fix that?).
I base this on the sound when varying the volume while playing 40 Hz and other close frequency sine wave test tones. It’s ok until excursion gets large, which is why your coil connection theory makes the most sense so far.
Might also check Whether the voice coil dust cap hasn’t worked a bit loose.
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Tommy,
Yes you have it correct. He will make sure everything is good to go thru an thru.
Doug
Quick update: Millersound can repair the woofers but can’t refurbish the entire speaker. :cry:
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Have you contacted Vandersteen directly? They're great with service. I had a pair of 3a's with a blow mid. Sent the speaker in, they turned it around in a day and sent it back. Shipping kinda hurt, but great service and they didn't charge much for the driver rebuild. Also he tunes everything in his anachoic chamber, even after repairs. I know on some speakers he will send out drivers and instructions for disassembly.
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Have you contacted Vandersteen directly? They're great with service. I had a pair of 3a's with a blow mid. Sent the speaker in, they turned it around in a day and sent it back. Shipping kinda hurt, but great service and they didn't charge much for the driver rebuild. Also he tunes everything in his anachoic chamber, even after repairs. I know on some speakers he will send out drivers and instructions for disassembly.
I haven't yet but sounds like a good idea. I'll do that before taking the one speaker apart. Thanks.
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Vandersteens in a 4-speaker comparison....
I’ll let you know when the video is done!!
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=215913)
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So I finally got a good look....
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=215915)
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I haven't yet but sounds like a good idea. I'll do that before taking the one speaker apart. Thanks.
I contacted them, and I’m waiting to hear back. Hopefully they can do a complete refurb job on the pair!!
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You can use contact cement and glue it yourself. Get the cement bottle with the small brush.
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A complete refurb is the way to go. Re-gluing the surround is hit and miss, it depends on the rubber. Usually the surround separates again when you invite the boys over to show off your new speakers.
Simply Speakers has 9 glues to choose from.
https://www.simplyspeakers.com/speaker-repair-adhesives.html (https://www.simplyspeakers.com/speaker-repair-adhesives.html)
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Update:
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=216018)
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Update:
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=216018)
That’s great customer service. Nice to see Richard is still hands on. Had 2ces for years. Loved them but found a good home for them and got the M3Sapphires. Different but also soooo good!
Hope it works out for you!
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That’s great customer service. Nice to see Richard is still hands on. Had 2ces for years. Loved them but found a good home for them and got the M3Sapphires. Different but also soooo good!
Hope it works out for you!
Clayton has done a wonderful job with Spatial and many of our customers have (and love) his speakers!
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Clayton has done a wonderful job with Spatial and many of our customers have (and love) his speakers!
Plan on getting any of your own?
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Plan on getting any of your own?
Maybe :D
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That’s great customer service. Nice to see Richard is still hands on. Had 2ces for years. Loved them but found a good home for them and got the M3Sapphires. Different but also soooo good!
Hope it works out for you!
I was hoping they could do a complete refurb, though.
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Vandersteens in a 4-speaker comparison....
I’ll let you know when the video is done!!
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=215913)
The video is up! The link in this new thread:
https://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=172976.0
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Vandees REPAIRED AND AWESOME (:
[ now on stands ]
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=216320)
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Really enjoying the sound from these Vandersteens today (:
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Unfortunately, one of the woofers seems to have an issue....
It’s only noticeable when loud and when there’s lots of bass.
Anyone out there ever fix one of these?
Thanks.
I realize that this is an old post. Newer neodymium magnet speakers are a better replacement. My woofer went out and I put a JBL in place. For those that need an old paper one Philips and several others can be found on ebay. I want to get rid of my 2CE that I don’t use because I bought B&W Diamond II. There is no comparison but then the Vandersteins used were $400 and the B&W were $12k. Apples and oranges. I have a pair of B&W SCM? That I also matched up before I changed over. These were $400 used. The mid range, tweeter and mid-base are miles apart with again the B&W in the lead. The V’s have better base but that is expected from the larger base driver. The V’s don’t handle that much power as compared to the new ones. I also have a pair of Maggies in the closet. Here the highs, mid and upper mid base are fantastic and blow everything away, well not blow bec they don’t have much power handling. I added a sub with a high band pass setting. It was ok but there is no substitute for a bigger base cabinet and driver. The 2CE were top line in their day. Like tube amplifiers, they cannot compare to the new stuff. The neodynium magnets produce such a faster response which translates into less distortion. I tried tilting my 2CE up but could not hear any difference. These are just my thoughts. If u own a pair you can do whatever you like. I own these and can make plant stands out of them bec I own them. Then again, my 1961 Corvette is far from original for similar reasons.