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Industry Circles => Salk Signature Sound => Topic started by: mirekti on 24 Jan 2015, 09:23 pm
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Hi all,
I hope this thread doesn't offend anyone. As I've been in a search for a new pair of speakers I just recently discovered Salk's products. As already stated in other thread, I am really delighted in what I read about them. I do plan to listen to them first, but from what I've read these cannot be a miss.
There is one problem though. My wife hates the way they look. She tells me, we won't put these in our living room as they look as if you made them in the basement. One cannot argue his wife :-) The problem is even bigger as she saw Focal 1028 BE, and pointed out to me this is what a speaker should look like, modern.
I also told this to Jim, and he kindly responded that the performance of drivers was a main factor, not the looks. I fully understand this, but try to explain this to my wife.
Hence, I did a quick and dirty job in photoshop (sorry for the bad work), showed it to her and she was a bit softer. The goal was also to keep the performance as it is.
I will try to put in words what the face lifted one should look like per my wife, and a attach the quick and dirty photo with some adjustments applied (I'll also use my wife's words for more fun :wink: ):
1. Bass drivers - Each has it's own grill. Due to the frequency range I believe these don't have to be removed at all. Ideally the driver holes would be carved out so the grill lines up to the surface.
2. Midrange - Uses the grill by default due to the sensitive ceramic design. The square face plate looks awful. If this could be round shaped as the bass it would look much better.
3. Tweeter - Not centered due to the diffraction control. I wonder how many people actually hear this e.g. blind test center vs off center. Also, a round face plate would be preferable (like Monitor Audio PL200) due to the shape of other drivers.
The box itself looks wonderful, but per my wife's comments only the finish looks so. She claims the shape is too industrial, and again points out to me Focal 1028 BE and the curves those speakers have, slightly curved, and no sharp edges. I told her, but SS8 doesn't have sharp edges, and she said yes, but only on the front. Oh... It's not easy to convince, believe me. :-)
I am not sure if it is possible to modify the box in such a way without ruining the sound, and whether this is an easy task. I believe the shape shouldn't be a problem as SS10 has quite a few curves.
Please don't get me wrong. I love the concept of these speakers without even listening to them :scratch: but these cannot enter my living room before my wife says yes to them.
Any thoughts on all this?
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=113599) vs (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=113598)
PS I wont leave my wife. She's quite tolerable person in genaral, but this time... :)
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Please give the Exotica line a peek. https://salksound.com/exotica%203%20home.htm
Near the bottom of the page you can see the first Exotica speaker Mr. Salk designed. It's very sexy imo. See what your wifey thinks of those. The side panel adds a lot of character which could be an option on the SS8; you'd have to ask.
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Weird. I think Salk speakers are some of the nicest speakers I've ever seen. I constantly get compliment on both my HT3s and STRT.
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If you use the grills you don't see any of the drivers.
Look at the pictures at www.salksound.com. The pictures there show what they look like both with and without grills. If your wife can be ok with a boxy shape, that should remove the issue of the mismatched look of the drivers. The grills don't effect the sound much, and can easily be removed as they just attach with magnets.
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Just tell your wife that prettier speakers cost a lot more money and ask her if you can spend an extra $5,000 to make the cabinet curvy. She'll quickly back off and let you buy whatever you want.
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I'm always partial to mesquite so I did a mockup of the SS8 in mesquite
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=113624)
But Jim has huge catalog of exotic veneered speakers that should appease your wife. A Google Image search will find quite a few.
(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z446/sthull/CAS2013/DSC_2997_zps636c322c.jpg)
Wayne
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I wish I could crank out cabinet work like Salk does in my basement!
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It doesn't sound like the problem (she has) is in the fit or finish of the speakers, despite her "basement" remark. That was likely just her way of trying to alleviate further discussion of the speakers. She already made up her mind.
With that said, regardless of how beautifully finished Salks are, most models still have the pretty common, tall, rectangular, form factor. I think we all can agree on that. They are about as pretty as a tall rectangular box can be, however. :thumb:
I bet if you talk to Salk, he could possibly add curved side cheeks or something like that to "soften" the rectangle without altering performance in a negative way or having to re-engineer anything......and I doubt it'd cost another $5k to do it.
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I think you need to set aside the "how it looks" part and schedule a listening session. Have her listen to the Focus and the Salk speakers and see which she prefers. Checking out the Exoticas is also a great suggestion.
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BRM's Exotica's are about as modern as it gets.
(http://salksound.com/gallery/exotica3/e3-pete.jpg)
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I think you need to set aside the "how it looks" part and schedule a listening session. Have her listen to the Focus and the Salk speakers and see which she prefers. Checking out the Exoticas is also a great suggestion.
My guess is that she won't be participating in listening sessions nearly as much as he will, but since the speakers will presumably be in a shared living space, they have to appease her esthetic sensibilities. I'm a performance first guy too, but can understand her POV.
As alluded to earlier, performance + exotic looks = $$$$$
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It's not about the veneer. She is not fond of wood patterns so it would be a solid color. The only wood she liked was Tamoa Ash blue. My favorites at the moment are Mercedes and Red Matador mica if I'd have to go solid.
We kind of try to keep our finances healthy so there is an amount each of us puts aside on a monthly basis for "crazy" personal wishes. It took me some time to get where I am, and I am almost there. Of course, once I reach the goal of $8000, I could go a bit up earlier by taking a loan (from myself :-)), however, this is limited. I guess I will have to talk to Jim to see what are the available options and at what price.
Now back to the topic.
I talked to my wife again just to make sure I didn't miss her issue with the speakers.
If cabinets could look as similar in shape to Focal 1028 that would be the biggest plus. She likes the way sides curve to the front panel on the side and to the top, and not front panel on top of the sides. When sides melt towards the front panel it visually makes the speaker thinner. She also likes the way speakers are somehow inserted inside, and if one puts a grill on it, it will be flat with the front panel.
Also, three drives are the same in size and broken up with the silver line and the tweeter, this looks elegant. I explained her the last part is not possible in our case due to the different driver manufacturers and she understood.
The next question was: And, what about those squares, who puts squared and circled elements together other than kids in school. She claims one could even be ok, just to break up the concept, but two two is funny. (Don't ask me why). That was pretty much it, many single details she complains about.
I saw Accuton produces rounded midrange which don't use this "funny" square plate, but are 5" not those in Mr. Salk's (I will call him Mr. Salk, not Jim as I actually don't know the gentlemen who is behind this concept) cabinet. And, I already see the first catch in the whole "try to facellft" concept.
BTW I showed her exotica model from here http://ericptek.smugmug.com/Salk-HT2-TL/ and her response wasn't bad at all. She said: well, you see this is on the way to the elegance.The edges could be more refined, though and center speaker placed in center :)
What's would you give them? Her answer: 8+ (which is quite high, believe me).
Thanks for keeping up with me.
...and my wife :)
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I don't know if these exotica's sold. Do these appeal to your wife?
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=113641)
Gregg
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If you can get Jim to start making curved cabinets then more power to ya!
I think that would be great to see so I'm curious if you get to hear the SS8's and like them enough to get serious with Jim if he can accommodate your wife... I mean you. :D
As far as centering the drivers, I hope drumike don't mind but he posted this pic in another Salk thread and I thought it was pretty cool that Jim entertained someone's request to center the ribbon tweeter, so it can be done.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=113643)
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My favorites at the moment are Mercedes and Red Matador mica if I'd have to go solid.
A pair of red SS8's for are sale in the AC Trading Post, $5,800, too bad they are square.
http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=131739.0 (http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=131739.0)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=112799)
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From your rendering it looks to me that she has the biggest problem with the exposed speaker flange maybe? She doesn't like the look of the screws? Maybe all she needs to see are some nice grill covers?
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I noticed that the Focal speaker weighs 72 lbs. The SS8 weighs 135. Just sayin'.
I like the look of the Focal but I'll take performance any day over a curved look.
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Comparing the weight doesn't really say anything about performance here. The Salks have more drivers and are bigger speakers overall. One should expect the Salks to weigh more.
If you're alluding that the OP is getting MORE speaker for the money, then I can understand the idea of the weight comparison.
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Focal 1028 BE specs are 34Hz to 40kHz +-3dB. The SS8's do 25Hz to 20kHz +-1.5dB. I'm no speaker builder but think heavier tends to indicate more robust drivers digging lower in a solidly built cabinet. The Focals sure are pretty. I think my SS8's are very handsome though. 8)
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Understood. But we all know weight and specifications are but aspects of a speaker's design, not necessarily indicators of performance. I'm not a Focal or Salk owner. Just saying that one should never judge the performance of a speaker based on weight or specs alone. One must listen and decide.
It's like judging how a car drives based on curb weight and horsepower. They're aspects of the car that affect performance, but aren't the only indicators. Test drive and decide.
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1. Bass drivers - Each has it's own grill. Due to the frequency range I believe these don't have to be removed at all. Ideally the driver holes would be carved out so the grill lines up to the surface.
2. Midrange - Uses the grill by default due to the sensitive ceramic design. The square face plate looks awful. If this could be round shaped as the bass it would look much better.
3. Tweeter - Not centered due to the diffraction control. I wonder how many people actually hear this e.g. blind test center vs off center. Also, a round face plate would be preferable (like Monitor Audio PL200) due to the shape of other drivers.
I must say, l like the look of the individual bass driver covers. I wonder if you could put a third one at the top that covers the mid and Tweeter? Likely needs to be a grill, but possibly the same Size?
I sort of get the feeling that Salk speakers are not for you. Given all the parameters set by the wife, I would recommend Meridian dsp's. No disrespect, just seems like it might workout better.
With my wife the trick is demanding involvement in the purchase of all the furniture and interior items... The "compromise" :wink: being that I agree to let her pick if I get what I want...
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Understood. But we all know weight and specifications are but aspects of a speaker's design, not necessarily indicators of performance. I'm not a Focal or Salk owner. Just saying that one should never judge the performance of a speaker based on weight or specs alone. One must listen and decide.
It's like judging how a car drives based on curb weight and horsepower. They're aspects of the car that affect performance, but aren't the only indicators. Test drive and decide.
I disagree. The build of the Focal is pretty and at $9000 it is like a Salk at $4500, or an HT2-TL. You get what you pay for and the beefier SS8 is really a $16k-20k speaker at retail prices. Performance specs and mass have quite a huge impact because the specs are driven by the drivers chosen, the crossover, and cabinetry to make those specs come to fruition. I would venture in one-on-one comparison the SS8 will smoke that model Focal. So if the OP wants looks over performance, then......
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So if the OP wants looks over performance, then......
I clearly stated that I like what SS8 brings even though I didn't listen to them at all. However, it turned out the choice will have too meet my and wife's cafeterias. That's why I started this thread.
Price wise, the $9000 is MSRP set at the release date. The price was not adjusted to dollar to euro ratio which changed a lot recently. One can get them much cheaper nowadays Lacquer for around $7000, and regular (black ash) sides for $5500, but that's not the point.
The looks in not the only thing she complained (she also mentioned resale value as these are "custom, unkonwn" speakers). I don't care much about the resale part, and she said: ok, it's your part of savings.
The looks, the looks issue remained. That's actually it what gives me :duh:
If you look at the subject topic, this reveals my (wife's) issue with these speakers so I started this thread in hope there might be some nice facelifts proposed by other members which might/might not result is SS8 II.
I truly understand if I am the only guy with such an issue, that this is hopeless.
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I clearly stated that I like what SS8 brings even though I didn't listen to them at all. However, it turned out the choice will have too meet my and wife's cafeterias. That's why I started this thread.
Price wise, the $9000 is MSRP set at the release date. The price was not adjusted to dollar to euro ratio which changed a lot recently. One can get them much cheaper nowadays Lacquer for around $7000, and regular (black ash) sides for $5500, but that's not the point.
The looks in not the only thing she complained (she also mentioned resale value as these are "custom, unkonwn" speakers). I don't care much about the resale part, and she said: ok, it's your part of savings.
The looks, the looks issue remained. That's actually it what gives me :duh:
If you look at the subject topic, this reveals my (wife's) issue with these speakers so I started this thread in hope there might be some nice facelifts proposed by other members which might/might not result is SS8 II.
I truly understand if I am the only guy with such an issue, that this is hopeless.
You seem to be allowing your wife to be too heavily involved in your speaker purchase decision. Generally speaking, stereo equipment is a man's domain. She doesn't have to like the speakers you buy. This works both ways. For instance, my wife picked out the living room furniture. We agreed on a budget and she got what she wanted. I don't like what she chose, but as long as she likes it, I'm OK with it. Just tell her that you acknowledge her input, but now you're gonna make the final decision. Just buy the SS8's in the finish you prefer and be done with it.
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You're not hopeless. I understand where you're coming from. It's just that many on AC don't share your and/or your wife's perspective. Obviously, esthetics are subjective too. It's a tough subject to really get a clear answer about. My suggestion is to talk directly to Salk, tell him what you'd like to do, and see how much customization he's comfortable with. If it doesn't seem like he'll be able to find the right esthetic balance for you, then it may be best to look at other speakers or just get the Focals. :thumb:
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I clearly stated that I like what SS8 brings even though I didn't listen to them at all. However, it turned out the choice will have too meet my and wife's cafeterias. That's why I started this thread.
Price wise, the $9000 is MSRP set at the release date. The price was not adjusted to dollar to euro ratio which changed a lot recently. One can get them much cheaper nowadays Lacquer for around $7000, and regular (black ash) sides for $5500, but that's not the point.
The looks in not the only thing she complained (she also mentioned resale value as these are "custom, unkonwn" speakers). I don't care much about the resale part, and she said: ok, it's your part of savings.
The looks, the looks issue remained. That's actually it what gives me :duh:
If you look at the subject topic, this reveals my (wife's) issue with these speakers so I started this thread in hope there might be some nice facelifts proposed by other members which might/might not result is SS8 II.
I truly understand if I am the only guy with such an issue, that this is hopeless.
Can you put the speakers in a dedicated listening room? That might be the best option for keeping everybody happy.
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You seem to be allowing your wife to be too heavily involved in your speaker purchase decision. Generally speaking, stereo equipment is a man's domain. She doesn't have to like the speakers you buy. This works both ways. For instance, my wife picked out the living room furniture. We agreed on a budget and she got what she wanted. I don't like what she chose, but as long as she likes it, I'm OK with it. Just tell her that you acknowledge her input, but now you're gonna make the final decision. Just buy the SS8's in the finish you prefer and be done with it.
I tend to agree with you, but I can appreciate wanting to make a good choice that the wife will also like. So rather than telling the OP that his wife is wrong or his approach to the "problem" is wrong, (and frustrating the OP) lets stick to the actual topic and try and make some more constructive suggestions regarding speakers.....which is the info I think he really wants. :thumb:
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What about having Jim make one giant grill to cover up all the drivers so she doesn't have to see them at all? Won't be very expensive at all and will be quick and easy.
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What about having Jim make one giant grill to cover up all the drivers so she doesn't have to see them at all? Won't be very expensive at all and will be quick and easy.
That could be a good and inexpensive solution. He might even be able to make or possibly source a curved grill, to soften the speaker's otherwise rectangular shape.
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Hm... I don't want to sound like my wife now, but midrange already has a grill, and everyone removes a grill from the tweeter when listening, this wouldn't actually be a step forward.
All thing counted it, it might not be such a bad idea. Let's see.
Maybe I should back off for a while and see what my wife will say in a month or so. I need this time anyhow to gather the rest of the needed funds anyway.
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Hm... I don't want to sound like my wife now, but midrange already has a grill, and everyone removes a grill from the tweeter when listening, this wouldn't actually be a step forward.
All thing counted it, it might not be such a bad idea. Let's see.
Maybe I should back off for a while and see what my wife will say in a month or so. I need this time anyhow to gather the rest of the needed funds anyway.
Right. Everyone removes the grills when listening. When not listening, perhaps they'll look nicer sitting there (with grills in place) in the wife's eyes.
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Just have her look at a SS10
http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=108974.msg1129022#msg1129022
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Changing grill designs is pretty straightforward and Jim and crew will do what they can to accommodate that. Changing the cabinet shape is much more involved and there are limits to what the factory can do. They don't have industrial CNC machines with 3 inch radius bits to massage the shape to the extent of the Focal.
They probably could radius the back corners or chamfer all of them slightly.
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What about having Jim make one giant grill to cover up all the drivers so she doesn't have to see them at all? Won't be very expensive at all and will be quick and easy.
The SS8's do have grills that cover all of the drivers. Also, it may be possible to design a baffle that basically covers the drivers with cutouts that expose the cones only. With this approach, you would not see the frames of any of the drivers. We have never done this before, but I have often thought about that approach.
- Jim
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I truly understand if I am the only guy with such an issue, that this is hopeless.
You are not "hopeless", and definitely not the only one.
The SS8s were vetoed in my household due to the passive radiators on the side looking "funny".
Peace in the household is way more important than how good your speakers sound. Everyone pays a certain amount for looks in this hobby, nothing wrong with that.
Best of luck!
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You are not "hopeless", and definitely not the only one.
The SS8s were vetoed in my household due to the passive radiators on the side looking "funny".
You guys may be misinterpreting what your wives are saying. For instance, just because she says something looks, "funny" doesn't imply that you shouldn't buy it. To her, the term, "funny" means "non-traditional," but men interpret it as, "ridiculous." Trust me, she'll always make it very clear to you when "no" means "no."
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The SS8's do have grills that cover all of the drivers. Also, it may be possible to design a baffle that basically covers the drivers with cutouts that expose the cones only. With this approach, you would not see the frames of any of the drivers. We have never done this before, but I have often thought about that approach.
- Jim
wouldn't it be much harder to swap out a driver?
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wouldn't it be much harder to swap out a driver?
Yes, that would be a completely new design. Of course, we are not opposed to doing that. But it is hard to determine, in advance, what impact that would have on sound quality.
- Jim
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You seem to be allowing your wife to be too heavily involved in your speaker purchase decision. Generally speaking, stereo equipment is a man's domain. She doesn't have to like the speakers you buy. This works both ways. For instance, my wife picked out the living room furniture. We agreed on a budget and she got what she wanted. I don't like what she chose, but as long as she likes it, I'm OK with it. Just tell her that you acknowledge her input, but now you're gonna make the final decision. Just buy the SS8's in the finish you prefer and be done with it.
Wow, that's totally different than my wife and me. We always agree together on something. Now, I did get rid of my VMPS RM40s to get the Salk HT3s, as my wife wanted some smaller speakers. The RM40s looked like big coffins. They sounded good, though.
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Understood. But we all know weight and specifications are but aspects of a speaker's design, not necessarily indicators of performance. I'm not a Focal or Salk owner. Just saying that one should never judge the performance of a speaker based on weight or specs alone. One must listen and decide.
It's like judging how a car drives based on curb weight and horsepower. They're aspects of the car that affect performance, but aren't the only indicators. Test drive and decide.
I'm a believer that speakers that weigh more are better as a general rule. It takes a lot of weight to damp vibrations, have better bass drivers, etc. This is unlike a car, where curb weight is actually a detriment (think carbon fiber panels = good). For cars, though, generally the lighter the better at least given a certain class of car, such as sports cars.
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Hi,
I think you should definitely not swap drivers around due to shape as this is going to change the sound of the speakers. These are now a mature design and have been well reviewed. You made a point that you have not listened to these speakers and I was wondering is there a possibility prior to going further to listen to them. If you do decide to swap drivers it will mean a redesign of the xover.
Jim is very good to deal with and I'm sure he will try to accommodate your request as far as possible. I've bought 2 pairs of speakers and a subwoofer from him since 2008 and I'm a happy customer. Sure wish I could afford the SS8 but I have HT3's will have to do.
Regards Rod
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Hi,
It looks like this thread has gone cold. Can the OP let us know if he buys a Salk SS8 what type of design both him and Jim come up with.
Cheers Rod
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...will do.
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I'm a believer that speakers that weigh more are better as a general rule. It takes a lot of weight to damp vibrations, have better bass drivers, etc. This is unlike a car, where curb weight is actually a detriment (think carbon fiber panels = good). For cars, though, generally the lighter the better at least given a certain class of car, such as sports cars.
Understood. You're getting a bit too far into the semantics of my comparison, but at the same time have kind of furthered my point. The Focals and Salks are different speakers. It's like comparing oh, I don't know, a Lotus Elise to a Porsche 911. Both are sports cars. Both are mid-engine. One is bigger, heavier, and has more horsepower. The other is smaller, lighter, and has less horsepower. They both perform fantastically around the track, but they aren't really in the same class. So the idea of making a weight comparison is moot, unless one is trying to compare weight : $ ratio. Simply stating that one set of spreakers has the aspect of being heavier, so that makes it better, doesn't really make sense. It's horses for courses.
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Like Ryan said about cars, There are also different design philosophies wrt cabinets... some will build a stiff, light cabinet with minimal damping and very high resonant frequencies that are unlikely to ever get excited. Others may go for a heavy, mass damped cabinet. In pro audio, where stuff is moved around a lot, the stiff/light designs are obviously the way to go but for home use there are examples of all sorts of cabinet designs. Like anything it's all about implementation, there is no right answer and good sounding examples of very different designs do exist...
The Focal at ~$9k doesn't have a light cabinet because they are trying to save $20 on mdf, it's the result of their design philosophy. and there is also the fact the Salks go ~10 Hz deeper and probably also have greater low bass output as well.
This thread is a great reminder that a speakers #1 priority is to look good though. :green: If it doesn't look good folks won't even make an effort to listen to them.
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This is correct. I know of at least one designer who designed a cabinet that was meant to resonate at frequencies that contribute to the frequency response of the speaker itself. This is quite rare, of course, but does happen.
Another factor that some designers take into account is shipping costs. This is especially true of speakers sold world-wide at retail. In this case, lighter speakers reduce shipping costs and help them meet their retail selling price target.
When you produce a speaker that plays down to the mid to lower 20's, there is a lot of energy at those lower frequencies. More mass helps dampen cabinet vibrations at these low frequencies and keeps cabinet vibrations to a minimum. That is generally why our larger speakers are heavier.
- Jim
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This is correct. I know of at least one designer who designed a cabinet that was meant to resonate at frequencies that contribute to the frequency response of the speaker itself. This is quite rare, of course, but does happen.
Another factor that some designers take into account is shipping costs. This is especially true of speakers sold world-wide at retail. In this case, lighter speakers reduce shipping costs and help them meet their retail selling price target.
When you produce a speaker that plays down to the mid to lower 20's, there is a lot of energy at those lower frequencies. More mass helps dampen cabinet vibrations at these low frequencies and keeps cabinet vibrations to a minimum. That is generally why our larger speakers are heavier.
- Jim
Can I just say, and not just because after my latest purchase I am a super Salk fanboy, but this is a perfect example of one of the reasons why I bought, and would continue to buy from Salk.
Instead of hyping up his product, at the expense of another, Jim provides a counter perspective and some insight into his competition.
This is one of the reasons why I went with Salk, and why I would buy from the company again in a heart beat. Just a quality and classy company, owned and run by some truly fine people. :thumb:
The whole buying experiance was truly a breath of fresh air for me in this hobby.
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Can I just say, and not just because after my latest purchase I am a super Salk fanboy, but this is a perfect example of one of the reasons why I bought, and would continue to buy from Salk.
Instead of hyping up his product, at the expense of another, Jim provides a counter perspective and some insight into his competition.
This is one of the reasons why I went with Salk, and why I would buy from the company again in a heart beat. Just a quality and classy company, owned and run by some truly fine people. :thumb:
The whole buying experiance was truly a breath of fresh air for me in this hobby.
+1
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Here's my quick rendering of a Meridian-shaped SS8. Curved, but it's gotta be less work than an oval shape with stacked CNC plywood. Use a matte black finish behind the tweeter and mid to hide the driver frames - as opposed to reworking the drivers themselves. I'm also assuming that, because of the considerable curve near the top, the tweeter and mid can be placed on-center with the cabinet.
Chris
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=113982)
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Here's my quick rendering of a Meridian-shaped SS8.
Looks nice. The radiators are missing. Good point is that you don't change the drivers, but not sure if the box would perform the same in terms of SQ.
Thanks!!!
Use a matte black finish behind the tweeter
That sounds like my wife :-) Good point, though.
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radiator. I raised the woofers a bit.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=113984)
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Hey Chundstadt...you've somehow made my Nimbus look boring! Put an angle on the top, then lean it back 3 degrees. Ta-daaa!!! I like the colors.
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I like the color as well. I thought long and hard about which Mercedes grey to go with. The imola grey below is close to what you have there and would match nicely with the raal ribbon and accuton mid.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=114484)
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wouldn't it be much harder to swap out a driver?
I think that the OP may have to consider swapping the wife out...
... Or let her pick the color. But at 130lbs each unless she's a body builder she won't be moving them one you have them in position in your home.
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