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Title: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: mkaiser on 12 Nov 2015, 09:13 pm
Hi James,
Any update on the CD player now that the BDA3 is complete?  8)

Mark
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Phil A on 12 Nov 2015, 09:34 pm
Yes it is noted on page 51 of the BDA-2 and BDA-3 DAC thread.
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 12 Nov 2015, 11:59 pm
Hi James,
Any update on the CD player now that the BDA3 is complete?  8)

Mark

HI

Yup - we are working on it now.

james


Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: redbook on 14 Nov 2015, 03:22 am
Happy to hear this, hope it will have a nice tray loader :thumb:
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: brystonbrad on 14 Nov 2015, 07:05 pm
HI

Yup - we are working on it now.

james

Hi James,

Is Bryston still planning to add DSD decoding to the SP3 now that the BDA-3 is done?

Thanks!
Brad

Thanks!
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 14 Nov 2015, 07:33 pm
Hi James,

Is Bryston still planning to add DSD decoding to the SP3 now that the BDA-3 is done?

Thanks!
Brad

Thanks!

HI

I am not sure if it is doable as we found out doing it for the BDA3 was not an easy task but I will ask engineering.

james

Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 26 Apr 2016, 12:48 pm

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=141967)
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Rod_S on 26 Apr 2016, 01:23 pm
A very fine looking player
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: schmidtmike76 on 26 Apr 2016, 01:39 pm
If one has a BDP lets say the pi or USB-1 with a BDA-2 how would the sound quality compare. Im only asking as CD is still king for me but I will be picking up the Pi once it hits market. I just bought the BDA-2 I feel for someone like myself on a budget Im paying for two really good dac's when one digital player would do.
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Rod_S on 26 Apr 2016, 01:42 pm
I believe the CD player has the same DAC as the BDA3 so I expect excellent sound, possibly besting the BDP/BDA2 combination.
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: schmidtmike76 on 26 Apr 2016, 02:11 pm
Thanks Rod I was under the impression that the BDA-2 and 3 sounded the same just had different features.
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Rod_S on 26 Apr 2016, 02:22 pm
Yeah me to until it got released and all feedback I have read about the BDA3 was it bettered the BDA2 so I'm just going by that, I've got no personal experience with either DAC.
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: redbook on 26 Apr 2016, 08:02 pm
 My question is  ....is the player going into production or has the idea failed ? :scratch:
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: 1ZIP on 26 Apr 2016, 09:08 pm

A response from James in a different thread.

"Hi

Yes just putting the finishing touches on the software and we will build 10 units and see if everything works and sounds as it should.

james"
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: redbook on 26 Apr 2016, 09:22 pm
 Which thread was that./
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: BrystonFan on 26 Apr 2016, 10:06 pm
I hope the new BCD-2 is not on hold due to the new Bryston turntable...
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: 1ZIP on 27 Apr 2016, 02:16 am
See the reply by James on the Montreal topic.
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: redbook on 27 Apr 2016, 03:02 am
I hope the new BCD-2 is not on hold due to the new Bryston turntable...
  Yes, that would be a let down :cry:
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: The Rang on 28 Apr 2016, 12:33 am
If only it could play SACD....... It would be a no brainer.
Sigh

Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 28 Apr 2016, 12:46 am
If only it could play SACD....... It would be a no brainer.
Sigh


Hi

No sorry - no SACD as they use different drives than Redbook and have to downsample and reclock the regular CD's. We wanted a dedicated CD drive clocked to 44.1 and 16 bit.

james
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Rod_S on 28 Apr 2016, 11:25 am
What would a SACD drive down sample regular CD's to?
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Rod_S on 28 Apr 2016, 11:28 am
As a way around the clocking mentioned above couldn't Bryston offer an external clock output and perhaps even make an external clock to allow for more flexibility? I know Esoteric for example offers external clock output on their SACD players and player/DAC combo units and also offers a couple models of external clocks.
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 28 Apr 2016, 12:42 pm
As a way around the clocking mentioned above couldn't Bryston offer an external clock output and perhaps even make an external clock to allow for more flexibility? I know Esoteric for example offers external clock output on their SACD players and player/DAC combo units and also offers a couple models of external clocks.

Hi Rod,

Yes but now you have added a lot of expense for a feature that is rarely used by most and I wanted a simple dedicated Redbook player.  Also for maximum performance you want the Clock as close to the DAC as possible.

james
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: PierreB on 28 Apr 2016, 12:46 pm
James, have you an idea when the bcd3 will be in store and the retail price ($cad).
Thanks.
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 28 Apr 2016, 12:59 pm
James, have you an idea when the bcd3 will be in store and the retail price ($cad).
Thanks.

I would say mid June and at this point looks like $3495

james

Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: PierreB on 28 Apr 2016, 01:04 pm
Thanks.
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: WillyP on 1 May 2016, 02:45 pm
James,

What will give a better sound quality for CD's: the new BCD-3 CD player or the BOT-1 / BDA-3 combination?

Thanks,

WillyP
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 1 May 2016, 04:17 pm
James,

What will give a better sound quality for CD's: the new BCD-3 CD player or the BOT-1 / BDA-3 combination?

Thanks,

WillyP

Hi Willy

One of the advantages of an all in one CD player is the DAC can be physically placed very close to the Clock which reduces jitter. 

So if just CD Playback is required and only one source the CD player would probably be my choice CD player analog out to Preamp analog in.

If I have multiple digital sources and wanted high resolution file playback then I would go the BDA3 way.

james
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: brucek on 1 May 2016, 07:24 pm
Quote from: James Tanner
One of the advantages of an all in one CD player is the DAC can be physically placed very close to the Clock which reduces jitter. 

But it's not really physical distance is it? The all-in-one CD 'player' doesn't use the S/PDIF transfer of data and clock. The player is a synchronous system where jitter is essentially non-existent. The clock responsible for retrieving the data as it comes from the CD itself is also responsible for the D/A conversion process so there's no discrepancy between the master clock and any of its derivatives. In this regard the CD player is superior. It can't be beat.
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 1 May 2016, 08:27 pm
But it's not really physical distance is it? The all-in-one CD 'player' doesn't use the S/PDIF transfer of data and clock. The player is a synchronous system where jitter is essentially non-existent. The clock responsible for retrieving the data as it comes from the CD itself is also responsible for the D/A conversion process so there's no discrepancy between the master clock and any of its derivatives. In this regard the CD player is superior. It can't be beat.

Yes Bruce you explained it so much more elegantly than I did.  :thumb:

James
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: schmidtmike76 on 1 May 2016, 09:02 pm
Devils advocate this new CD player vs Pi and bda-2 for sound quality even the BDP-2 and BDA-2
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: redbook on 2 May 2016, 05:17 am
But it's not really physical distance is it? The all-in-one CD 'player' doesn't use the S/PDIF transfer of data and clock. The player is a synchronous system where jitter is essentially non-existent. The clock responsible for retrieving the data as it comes from the CD itself is also responsible for the D/A conversion process so there's no discrepancy between the master clock and any of its derivatives. In this regard the CD player is superior. It can't be beat.
:thumb:
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Marius on 2 May 2016, 08:36 am
great post.
answers why the BCD1 sounds so very good on its own, even compared to the combo with the BDA1. Hope the new BCD will sound just as marvelous.


Cheers,
Marius


 
But it's not really physical distance is it? The all-in-one CD 'player' doesn't use the S/PDIF transfer of data and clock. The player is a synchronous system where jitter is essentially non-existent. The clock responsible for retrieving the data as it comes from the CD itself is also responsible for the D/A conversion process so there's no discrepancy between the master clock and any of its derivatives. In this regard the CD player is superior. It can't be beat.
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Rod_S on 2 May 2016, 11:41 am
Hi Rod,

Yes but now you have added a lot of expense for a feature that is rarely used by most and I wanted a simple dedicated Redbook player.  Also for maximum performance you want the Clock as close to the DAC as possible.

james

Thanks

This is an interesting bit of info about the distance between DAC, clock and performance. If this is the case then what do think of companies such as dCS and Esoteric that offer external clocks in a couple of their different series including their ultra expensive series i.e. Vivaldi and Grandioso respectively where the clocks are over 10 thousand dollars, the Esoteric is even just over $20,000 I believe.

It would seem then based on the statement that this would actually not yield the best performance and the companies are taking advantage of customers convincing them that a separate box solution is the best.

I'll be the 1st to admit that those two systems ultterly fascinate me and would certainly at least seem like the pinnacle of what can be achieved in a disc based playback system.
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Yitshak on 2 May 2016, 03:43 pm
Ain't re-clocking the digital signal in BDA3's
design to achieve similar capabilities?



Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: BrystonFan on 2 May 2016, 08:57 pm
Looking forward to it.
Sorry if I missed it, but why did we move from the BCD-1 to the BCD-3?
Align the naming conventions with the DDA-3, due to the similar DACS chips?
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 2 May 2016, 09:03 pm
Looking forward to it.
Sorry if I missed it, but why did we move from the BCD-1 to the BCD-3?
Align the naming conventions with the DDA-3, due to the similar DACS chips?

Yes we thought the BDA3 DACs and the Cubed (3) allowed for the 3 to be used with the CD Player.

james

Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Armaegis on 3 May 2016, 05:14 am
Thanks

This is an interesting bit of info about the distance between DAC, clock and performance. If this is the case then what do think of companies such as dCS and Esoteric that offer external clocks in a couple of their different series including their ultra expensive series i.e. Vivaldi and Grandioso respectively where the clocks are over 10 thousand dollars, the Esoteric is even just over $20,000 I believe.

It would seem then based on the statement that this would actually not yield the best performance and the companies are taking advantage of customers convincing them that a separate box solution is the best.


I can't speak for dCS or Esoteric, but in the pro audio world external clocking is meant for syncing multiple components/processors. It makes sense in that usage. But even there oftentimes they just slave the components to the dac clock rather than have yet another component outside.
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: rmurray on 10 May 2016, 10:15 pm
 When will the new CD2 be put on the web site.....? :scratch:
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 10 May 2016, 10:34 pm
When will the new CD2 be put on the web site.....? :scratch:

Hi

Still working on the prototype.

james
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: rmurray on 11 May 2016, 04:52 pm
 :D :thumb:
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: R. Daneel on 16 May 2016, 11:21 am
Hi James!

Were you able to check with engineering which model of Sony drive it is?

Cheers!
Antun
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: pmcd on 30 May 2016, 10:50 pm
Things are to quiet folks ! we need more chatter about this long awaited product.
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 31 May 2016, 12:14 am
Things are to quiet folks ! we need more chatter about this long awaited product.

Hi

Still in the works.

james

Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: pmcd on 31 May 2016, 01:21 am
Hi

Still in the works.

james

I know you guys are hard at work perfecting the design, I was attempting to spur more discussion and conversation from the diehard CD transport lover.    This news of the BCD3 is to me far more exciting than the Cubed Amp redesign as the amps were never discontinued and the fact that  a Bryston CD player was the only Bryston component I was missing
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: 1ZIP on 31 May 2016, 03:14 am
If memory serves me Bryston was going to produce 10 units for testing/production purposes with a projected availability date of mid June.  The question is are they on schedule...it seems like this thing is dragging on.
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: pmcd on 31 May 2016, 05:42 am
I'm sure it will be worth the wait
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 31 May 2016, 12:15 pm
If memory serves me Bryston was going to produce 10 units for testing/production purposes with a projected availability date of mid June.  The question is are they on schedule...it seems like this thing is dragging on.

Hi


Dragging  it is but we are looking at different ways to isolate the drive from vibrations.

James
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 31 May 2016, 12:21 pm
Hi James,

How much sonic improvement will BCD3 CDP be, vs. BCD-1 as digi transport to a BDA-1?

Thanks
Pete
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Marius on 31 May 2016, 12:24 pm
HI James,


Good to hear you're taking customers requests to heart. You will make it a more smoothly sliding drive compared to the rather clunky bcd-1 I take it?


Cheers,
Marius


Hi


Dragging  it is but we are looking at different ways to isolate the drive from vibrations.

James
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 31 May 2016, 12:48 pm
HI James,


Good to hear you're taking customers requests to heart. You will make it a more smoothly sliding drive compared to the rather clunky bcd-1 I take it?


Cheers,
Marius


Hi Marius

Yes i really like the new Sony drive we are using - it is very 'fluid'

james
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 31 May 2016, 12:50 pm
Hi James,

How much sonic improvement will BCD3 CDP be, vs. BCD-1 as digi transport to a BDA-1?

Thanks
Pete

Hi Pete

The advantage an all in one CD player has over an external DAC is you can Clock the DAC to a know Drive  and sample rate- thereby reducing jitter - as opposed to having to re-clock everything coming in as you do not know what sample rate you are dealing with.  Also the closer the DAC is to the Clock the better.

james

Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 31 May 2016, 07:48 pm
Hi Pete

The advantage an all in one CD player has over an external DAC is you can Clock the DAC to a know Drive  and sample rate- thereby reducing jitter - as opposed to having to re-clock everything coming in as you do not know what sample rate you are dealing with.  Also the closer the DAC is to the Clock the better.

james

Thanks, James.

The jitter on BDA-x is so miniscule to begin with, I doubt if it's audible.   :thumb:

Pete
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Haurock on 7 Jun 2016, 04:38 pm
Excellent!... Somehow, this is just what I was looking for.  A CD player that focuses on maximizing the sound quality of Redbook CDs.  Merci James.  I'm ready to order!
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Haurock on 7 Jun 2016, 04:39 pm
Will the BCD-3 hook up to the BDA-3?  Does it have to?
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 7 Jun 2016, 04:41 pm
Will the BCD-3 hook up to the BDA-3?  Does it have to?

Hi

You could hook it up to the BDA3 but you would not need to. It would normally hook up to your preamp analog inputs.

james
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Haurock on 7 Jun 2016, 04:43 pm
PERFECT!
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 7 Jun 2016, 05:41 pm
HI James,


Good to hear you're taking customers requests to heart. You will make it a more smoothly sliding drive compared to the rather clunky bcd-1 I take it?


Cheers,
Marius

Hi Marius,

Did you find the BCD-1 drive to be noisy?  :scratch:

(The tray itself, if that's what you meant, has no impact on SQ)

Cheers
Pete
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: redbook on 7 Jun 2016, 06:21 pm
HI James,


Good to hear you're taking customers requests to heart. You will make it a more smoothly sliding drive compared to the rather clunky bcd-1 I take it?


Cheers,
Marius
:thumb:yes right on with that :thumb:
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: redbook on 7 Jun 2016, 06:22 pm
Excellent!... Somehow, this is just what I was looking for.  A CD player that focuses on maximizing the sound quality of Redbook CDs.  Merci James.  I'm ready to order!
:thumb: :thumb:yes,
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: wilsonij on 7 Jun 2016, 06:33 pm
You could hook it up to the BDA3 but you would not need to. It would normally hook up to your preamp analog inputs.

Really looking forward to hearing this player !

BTW, while I realise it will be in a whole different class to the Oppo105D - http://www.hi-fiworld.co.uk/index.php/cd-dvd-blu-ray/83-blu-ray-reviews/743-oppo-bdp-105d-blu-ray-player.html?showall=1 - but, like the Oppo, is there any chance of the unit including SPDIF inputs so those of us with BDP-x's can also take advantage of the latest DAC ?

Ian
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 7 Jun 2016, 06:37 pm
Really looking forward to hearing this player !

BTW, while I realise it will be in a whole different class to the Oppo105D - http://www.hi-fiworld.co.uk/index.php/cd-dvd-blu-ray/83-blu-ray-reviews/743-oppo-bdp-105d-blu-ray-player.html?showall=1 - but, like the Oppo, is there any chance of the unit including SPDIF inputs so those of us with BDP-x's can also take advantage of the latest DAC ?

Ian

Hi Ian

No sorry to provide access to the internal DAC would require different circuitry (as you do not know what signal is coming in) so you have to re-clock and re-sample everything.  Our CD player is optimized to play Redbook CD''s so the clocking is optimized for 44.1/16BIT

james
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Marius on 8 Jun 2016, 10:26 am
I meant the tray itself. Clunky and not very elegant, not very 'fluid' as James calls it.
Hi Marius,

Did you find the BCD-1 drive to be noisy?  :scratch:

(The tray itself, if that's what you meant, has no impact on SQ)

Cheers
Pete
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: redbook on 8 Jun 2016, 07:16 pm
 Having a smoother tray is just a nice touch of class even though it has no bearing on the sound. My old Sony Es777 something or other ( lost track of the model names LOL) was a pleasure to use .  :thumb:
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 8 Jun 2016, 07:35 pm
Can track sequences be programmed on BCD-3?

I haven't figured out how to program track sequences on my BCD-1 via the Bryston remote.
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Marius on 9 Jun 2016, 07:31 am
It might have no bearing on the sound (though closing the tray always makes me wonder if the BCD1 cd stays in place...) , the tray is the main tactile human interface to the cd-player.


Just as lifting/lowering the tone-arm of a record player provides an almost ritual experience to the end user, so does opening, loading and closing the tray of the cd-player...


Imagine a tone-arm moving like the BCD1 tray..


Cheers,
Marius



Having a smoother tray is just a nice touch of class even though it has no bearing on the sound.
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 9 Jun 2016, 10:29 am
It might have no bearing on the sound (though closing the tray always makes me wonder if the BCD1 cd stays in place...) , the tray is the main tactile human interface to the cd-player.


Just as lifting/lowering the tone-arm of a record player provides an almost ritual experience to the end user, so does opening, loading and closing the tray of the cd-player...


Imagine a tone-arm moving like the BCD1 tray..


Cheers,
Marius

Hi Marius

I agree the older Phillips tray was a bit clunky but when you play a CD the CD is lifted out of the tray for playback so alignment is always accurate for the laser to track the CD. 

The new drive is much better and has a very fluid mechanical action to it.  It is also a metal tray whereas the Phillips was a plastic tray.

james

Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: redbook on 9 Jun 2016, 11:28 am
It might have no bearing on the sound (though closing the tray always makes me wonder if the BCD1 cd stays in place...) , the tray is the main tactile human interface to the cd-player.  Yes, this is my point :thumb:


Just as lifting/lowering the tone-arm of a record player provides an almost ritual experience to the end user, so does opening, loading and closing the tray of the cd-player...


Imagine a tone-arm moving like the BCD1 tray..


Cheers,
Marius
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: redbook on 9 Jun 2016, 11:29 am
 :thumb:


Imagine a tone-arm moving like the BCD1 tray..


Cheers,
Marius
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Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: redbook on 9 Jun 2016, 11:30 am
It might have no bearing on the sound (though closing the tray always makes me wonder if the BCD1 cd stays in place...) , the tray is the main tactile human interface to the cd-player.


Just as lifting/lowering the tone-arm of a record player provides an almost ritual experience to the end user, so does opening, loading and closing the tray of the cd-player... Exactly my point :thumb: :thumb:


Imagine a tone-arm moving like the BCD1 tray..


Cheers,
Marius
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Samurai7595 on 11 Jun 2016, 03:39 pm
Any updated ETA on when we'll start seeing these in a Canadian dealer (Montreal region)?
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 11 Jun 2016, 03:46 pm
Any updated ETA on when we'll start seeing these in a Canadian dealer (Montreal region)?

Hi

I was playing with the final prototype on Friday so we just have to order parts and start assembling - usually 6-8 weeks from this point.

james
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: 1ZIP on 11 Jun 2016, 09:19 pm
Ah.....a Christmas present to myself!
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Haurock on 14 Jun 2016, 03:54 pm
Perhaps a birthday present to myself in later September..  :green:
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: 1ZIP on 10 Jul 2016, 06:32 pm
Update!!
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 10 Jul 2016, 08:51 pm
Update!!

Hi

Should have the finished unit this week and if I like what I hear we are ready to start building.

James
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: R. Daneel on 12 Jul 2016, 06:22 pm
Hi James!

What is the exact model number of the Sony disc mechanism used?

Cheers!
Antun
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 12 Jul 2016, 07:29 pm
Hi James!

What is the exact model number of the Sony disc mechanism used?

Cheers!
Antun

SONY KHM313
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 13 Jul 2016, 12:20 pm
Hi James,

Will BCD-3 be able to program track sequences?
Like play tracks 1,3,5,7.  From the Bryston remote?

Thanks,
Pete
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 13 Jul 2016, 12:24 pm
Hi James,

Will BCD-3 be able to program track sequences?
Like play tracks 1,3,5,7.  From the Bryston remote?

Thanks,
Pete

I do not think so but I will ask the engineer.

james
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 13 Jul 2016, 05:20 pm
Hi James,

Will BCD-3 be able to program track sequences?
Like play tracks 1,3,5,7.  From the Bryston remote?

Thanks,
Pete

Hi Pete

Not currently but it is software so it can be done in the future.

james
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 13 Jul 2016, 05:24 pm
Hi Folks,

So we are officially going into production with the CD Player. The bean counters tell me it should come in at about $3500 List. It will be about 6 weeks till we have production as all the parts have to be ordered and manufactured but if you are thinking of ordering one now is the time so we can get a handle on how many parts to order to get started..


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=146769)


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=146771)



(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=146770)


james


Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 13 Jul 2016, 05:50 pm
BCD-3 FEATURES:

•   Redbook CD and CDR playback
•   Two AKM 4490 384/32Bit DAC’s
•   8 times over-sampling
•   Fully Discrete Bryston Class A analog output stage
•   Independent Analog and Digital power supplies
•   Balanced XLR/Unbalanced RCA Stereo outputs.
•   Transformer coupled SPDIF/AES Digital outputs.
•   Ethernet software upgrades
•   Network connectivity
•   Remote 12 Volt Trigger
•   Full function IR remote control
•   Cosmetically matches Cubed Series Amplifiers
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: schmidtmike76 on 13 Jul 2016, 06:30 pm
I may sell my BDA-2 and go straight into this rather than the network route or digital player route.  Decisions decisions
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Haurock on 13 Jul 2016, 07:20 pm
Hi James,

Thanks for the exciting update! 
What happens if you don't like what you hear...  :green:? 

I'm assuming it will have to be a hard-wire Ethernet connection in order to obtain software upgrades? 

Time for me to contact Audio Eden and order mine... :D
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: amblin on 13 Jul 2016, 07:38 pm
So this is the type that use D-D over sampling to 'upscale' data and then feed the data to a non-over sampling DAC for better sound quality?

In short, similar in theory to a bank busting dcs combo?
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: spinner on 13 Jul 2016, 10:00 pm
 Very nice.... :thumb: James , will the black version have white lettering or laser cut  into the panel like my BCD1 ? :scratch:
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: alexone on 14 Jul 2016, 02:37 am

...green and/or blue display available ??

al.
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: redbook on 14 Jul 2016, 03:26 am
Hi Folks,

So we are officially going into production with the CD Player. The bean counters tell me it should come in at about $3500 List. It will be about 6 weeks till we have production as all the parts have to be ordered and manufactured but if you are thinking of ordering one now is the time so we can get a handle on how many parts to order to get started..


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=146769) James , what are those footers under the player?


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=146771)



(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=146770)


james
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 14 Jul 2016, 10:30 am
...green and/or blue display available ??

al.

Hi al

Green or Blue

james
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Mag on 14 Jul 2016, 11:17 pm
Placed my order today, black #001.  :beer:
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 14 Jul 2016, 11:42 pm
Get Chris, Brian, and Stuart to sign it with laser etching!
 8)
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: techguy0192 on 15 Jul 2016, 01:46 am
Looks great!

Are there plans for similar logo changes across the product line?
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Samurai7595 on 15 Jul 2016, 12:31 pm
James, will the Bryston BR-2 remote from my BCD-1 work with the new BCD-3?

Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 15 Jul 2016, 03:01 pm
James, will the Bryston BR-2 remote from my BCD-1 work with the new BCD-3?

Yes
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: dznutz on 15 Jul 2016, 08:55 pm
this has the bead blasted front?
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 15 Jul 2016, 11:26 pm
this has the bead blasted front?

Hi

Yes

james
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: pmcd on 16 Jul 2016, 03:31 pm
James, will the Bryston BR-2 remote from my BCD-1 work with the new BCD-3?

James will the BCD-3 be available without the BR-2 as a cost saving ?     Sorry if this question was asked in another post.   
                             Thanks
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 16 Jul 2016, 03:37 pm
James will the BCD-3 be available without the BR-2 as a cost saving ?     Sorry if this question was asked in another post.   
                             Thanks

Yes the CD player does not include a remote - we are trying to find a cheaper remote but the BR2 will operate it if you already have one.

james

Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: pmcd on 16 Jul 2016, 04:14 pm
Thanks james
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: R. Daneel on 19 Jul 2016, 01:25 pm
Hi James!

Considering BCD-3 has two DAC chips, assuming one-per-channel, and BCD-1 had one stereo DAC used for both channels, this means the circuitry has been totally redesigned and is now more in line with BDA-2/3 DACs, does it not?

I only wish the "Bryston" logo on the front was CNC-milled rather than silk-creened.

Also, what are your impressions of the Sony disc mechanism now used? How fast does it load the disc?

Cheers!
Antun
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 19 Jul 2016, 03:08 pm
Hi James!

Considering BCD-3 has two DAC chips, assuming one-per-channel, and BCD-1 had one stereo DAC used for both channels, this means the circuitry has been totally redesigned and is now more in line with BDA-2/3 DACs, does it not?

I only wish the "Bryston" logo on the front was CNC-milled rather than silk-creened.

Also, what are your impressions of the Sony disc mechanism now used? How fast does it load the disc?

Cheers!
Antun

Hi Antun

Yes the new CD player is essentially a BDA-3 with a Drive.

The Bryston Logo is milled - its just a small line.

The drive is superb - really smooth in operation and quiet.

james
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: spinner on 19 Jul 2016, 03:17 pm
 So is the name on the black version  etched as well .....thanks :o
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 19 Jul 2016, 03:19 pm
So is the name on the black version  etched as well .....thanks :o

Yes

james
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Rod_S on 19 Jul 2016, 04:56 pm
The drive is superb - really smooth in operation and quiet.

james

Any idea how it compares to the Esoteric's VRDS-NEO drives, the VMK-3.5-10 and VMK-3.5-20S or even their lesser model the VMK-5?
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 19 Jul 2016, 05:27 pm
Any idea how it compares to the Esoteric's VRDS-NEO drives, the VMK-3.5-10 and VMK-3.5-20S or even their lesser model the VMK-5?

No sorry never used them.  The drive is strictly cosmetic as the CD is lifted out of the drive tray when you hit Play.

james
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 19 Jul 2016, 05:40 pm
  The drive is strictly cosmetic as the CD is lifted out of the drive tray when you hit Play.

james

It's interesting how frequently this fact is overlooked or missed entirely.
The tray has no impact on SQ of BCD. Plastic tray is good -- cheap but reliable and durable.
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 19 Jul 2016, 05:44 pm
It's interesting how frequently this fact is overlooked or missed entirely.
The tray has no impact on SQ of BCD. Plastic tray is good -- cheap but reliable and durable.

The BCD3 Sony drive is available in plastic or metal - we are using the metal tray.

james
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 19 Jul 2016, 05:53 pm
Hi james,

how much extra for metal, and what are the benefits/pitfalls of metal?

thanks
pete
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 19 Jul 2016, 05:58 pm
Hi james,

how much extra for metal, and what are the benefits/pitfalls of metal?

thanks
pete

More money- no performance advantage -  but looks and feels better

james
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: rmurray on 19 Jul 2016, 08:12 pm
That adds to the pleasure of using the player. What if a fine a turntable had a cheap plastic platter? For me that would undermine the overall sense of elegance.
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 19 Jul 2016, 10:22 pm
LOL, a platter is critical for a table's performance, as it spins the LP and needs a certain mass and dampening.....not so with a CDP's tray, as stated earlier.

 8)
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: rmurray on 20 Jul 2016, 03:49 am
 You missed my point.
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: R. Daneel on 20 Jul 2016, 06:21 am
I've no doubt Bryston BCD-3 sounds spectacular but for ultimate build quality, a spiritual ritual of putting the CD in, I'd go with one of the top players from Denon or Acchuphase.

As for players that are no longer manufactured, Sony's fixed pick-up ES models from the 1990s are simply beyond approach. Not only that CD drawers moved completely silently, Sony even put felt material where the different metal plates of the casing met to ensure everything was perfectly damped and aligned. Quite staggering if you ask me.

But like I said, the BDC-3 would most likely be a sonically more convincing player if my BDA-2 is any indication.

Cheers!
Antun
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 20 Jul 2016, 12:35 pm
You missed my point.

 :duh:  I was being too transparent -- taking things literally.
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: DRK on 22 Jul 2016, 03:04 pm
Mr. Tanner

Happy to see new CD Player.  Currently own a BCD-1. 

Question: Wondered how many tracks the "3" was capable of reading.  I believe my BCD-1 is max'd out at 33 tracks and believe it or not, I do have a several CD's with more than 33 tracks so I've been copying the overage onto another CD as a "work around".  Hoping this has been addressed with the "3".

It is a banner year for new model intros at Bryston.  I wish you much success.
Thanks

Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 22 Jul 2016, 03:12 pm
Mr. Tanner

Happy to see new CD Player.  Currently own a BCD-1. 

Question: Wondered how many tracks the "3" was capable of reading.  I believe my BCD-1 is max'd out at 33 tracks and believe it or not, I do have a several CD's with more than 33 tracks so I've been copying the overage onto another CD as a "work around".  Hoping this has been addressed with the "3".

It is a banner year for new model intros at Bryston.  I wish you much success.
Thanks

Hi

This new drive can do up to 99 tracks. :thumb:

james
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: DRK on 22 Jul 2016, 03:17 pm
Great.  Age old question.....keep the "1" or upgrade?   Time will tell.

Have a great day
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: 1ZIP on 5 Aug 2016, 11:07 pm
James;

Must be getting close to a release date?
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 6 Aug 2016, 01:43 am
James;

Must be getting close to a release date?

Yes we have all the parts on order but we are so backed up with other projects that it may be a couple of more months.

james
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: 1ZIP on 6 Aug 2016, 05:38 pm
Not good news!
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Pundamilia on 6 Aug 2016, 07:29 pm
I don't understand how you can add all these new product offerings and still manage to manufacture them (likely with increasing sales volumes on updates of older products), without expanding your small Peterborough facility? :?
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: 1ZIP on 6 Aug 2016, 11:14 pm
They can't'…thats why the BCD 3 is now months away.
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 7 Aug 2016, 12:54 am
I don't understand how you can add all these new product offerings and still manage to manufacture them (likely with increasing sales volumes on updates of older products), without expanding your small Peterborough facility? :?

Hi

Yes we hand build and test every product so it is a slower process than more mass produced products. Expanding is not that easy as you need well qualified people to build and test the way we do. Also some products will rise and fall in sales volume from month to month so generally we can cope but I have to admit that we have been on a bit of a tear lately.

james
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Anonamemouse on 7 Aug 2016, 09:05 am
Let me know when you start hiring. I am available  8)
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Haurock on 17 Aug 2016, 07:03 pm
Hi James,

Can you be a little more precise?  Are we looking at November, December?
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 17 Aug 2016, 07:21 pm
Hi James,

Can you be a little more precise?  Are we looking at November, December?

Hi

We have all the parts on order so I would say worse case late September early October. Also we have a lot more orders than we expected so it may slow down any new orders received.

james
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: techguy0192 on 17 Aug 2016, 10:08 pm
I don't understand how you can add all these new product offerings and still manage to manufacture them (likely with increasing sales volumes on updates of older products), without expanding your small Peterborough facility? :?

I have also had the same thought recently.  There has been an explosion of new products and recent product updates.  I have seen this happen with another high end company (hint - blue meters) and I can't see where a large scope of products has helped; likely it just adds confusion for the consumer.

With that said.  I hope Bryston maintains the quality they are know for and continue to focus on refining products over time. 
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Mag on 9 Sep 2016, 02:41 am
Anxiously waiting for my BCD3. :hyper:

Got my SP2 back, changed the power supply and it sounds better than ever but I have to turn the volume back a notch or two depending on the song.

So the question James is, can I run the BCD3 through the SP2 using the SP2 dac as well or should I be using 2 channel bypass?
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 9 Sep 2016, 10:25 am
Anxiously waiting for my BCD3. :hyper:

Got my SP2 back, changed the power supply and it sounds better than ever but I have to turn the volume back a notch or two depending on the song.

So the question James is, can I run the BCD3 through the SP2 using the SP2 dac as well or should I be using 2 channel bypass?

Hi Mag

Use the Bypass. 

The advantage of an CD player is the DAC and the Clock are close to one another and are optimized at 44.1 16Bit (CD specs) which is different from an outboard DAC that has to decide what frequency is coming in and re-clock accordingly with the potential of more jitter than the CD player setup.

james

Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: vegasdave on 10 Sep 2016, 11:53 am
hey james, what are the dimensions of the unit as well as the weight...also, isthe output stage similar to that of the preamps or different. in addition, how good is the unit as reading scratched discs...futhermore, will the price go up after ces...finally, how does the new unit compare to the bcd1...

ps: does the unit upsample, if not why not?
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 10 Sep 2016, 12:43 pm
hey james, what are the dimensions of the unit as well as the weight...also, isthe output stage similar to that of the preamps or different. in addition, how good is the unit as reading scratched discs...futhermore, will the price go up after ces...finally, how does the new unit compare to the bcd1...

ps: does the unit upsample, if not why not?

pssst....based on your Qs,....you might wanna hang on to your BDA-1 and BCD-1.
 :green: 8)    for now.
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: vegasdave on 10 Sep 2016, 04:03 pm
pssst....based on your Qs,....you might wanna hang on to your BDA-1 and BCD-1.
 :green: 8)    for now.

i don't have either unit, sorry to say...i have a modest onkyo dx-7555 cd player(discontinued) lol.

i want to have my system be all bryston except for the speakers. and maybe some cables like interconnects..i do have the bryston speaker cable which is excellent especially at the price .i paid quite a bit for the speakers and i'm not selling them at the moment..so there you go on that one. however, the t's are awesome, no doubt...
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: alexone on 11 Sep 2016, 06:59 pm
hi, Mag!

here is a very good statement why a cd-player like the BCD-3 is superior:

But it's not really physical distance is it? The all-in-one CD 'player' doesn't use the S/PDIF transfer of data and clock. The player is a synchronous system where jitter is essentially non-existent. The clock responsible for retrieving the data as it comes from the CD itself is also responsible for the D/A conversion process so there's no discrepancy between the master clock and any of its derivatives. In this regard the CD player is superior. It can't be beat.

this was written by brucek.  :thumb:


al.
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Wellmanad on 12 Sep 2016, 07:14 pm
Hi, very interested in the new player, any idea please on cost in UK post Brexit? I would be interested in pre-ordering too.

Kerin.
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 12 Sep 2016, 07:42 pm
Hi, very interested in the new player, any idea please on cost in UK post Brexit? I would be interested in pre-ordering too.

Kerin.

Hi Kerin

Not sure what the price will be in the UK but check with PMC.

UNITED KINGDOM

The Professional Monitor Company Limited
Holme Court, Biggleswade SG18 9ST, United Kingdom
Ph: +44 (0)1767 686300
Email: tom@pmc-speakers.com
www.bryston.co.uk

james
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Wellmanad on 12 Sep 2016, 08:53 pm
Thank you for that James, does that mean they will have an eta as well as a price possibly?
Also, as I understand it is a bda3 with an internal drive will it have usb for streaming?; and how do you expect it to perform against external high end transports connected to a bda3?

Cheers, Kerin.
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: vegasdave on 13 Sep 2016, 03:06 pm
Thank you for that James, does that mean they will have an eta as well as a price possibly?
Also, as I understand it is a bda3 with an internal drive will it have usb for streaming?; and how do you expect it to perform against external high end transports connected to a bda3?

Cheers, Kerin.
good question...
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: vegasdave on 13 Sep 2016, 03:16 pm
So this is the type that use D-D over sampling to 'upscale' data and then feed the data to a non-over sampling DAC for better sound quality?

In short, similar in theory to a bank busting dcs combo?

i would to know too, please...
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 13 Sep 2016, 03:45 pm
Thank you for that James, does that mean they will have an eta as well as a price possibly?
Also, as I understand it is a bda3 with an internal drive will it have usb for streaming?; and how do you expect it to perform against external high end transports connected to a bda3?

Cheers, Kerin.

Hi Kerin

Yes the new CD3 is essentially a BDA-3 with an added drive.  If you just want the best CD quality (44.1K/16Bit) - no high resolution required (192/24 or DSD) - then the CD Player is the best choice.

james
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Wellmanad on 13 Sep 2016, 05:53 pm
Hi James, I use the usb input on my bda2 linked to my iMac to stream the bbc iplayer in cd quality, will the cd3 be able to do this?

Kerin.
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Siltech on 14 Sep 2016, 01:52 pm
Hi James.
I hope the BCD-3 is sooner than later. My dealer keeps saying soon. I recently sold my Krell Cipher, because I replaced a few components and lost Synergy. I replaced my Krell amp with new Pass Labs.8. I replaced my Sonus Faber Guarneri Memento with Wilson Sabrina speakers. I paid in full to my Bryston dealer, and been waiting for over a month. I hope I receive mine before Christmas. Further delays makes unhappy customers. Siltech
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: vegasdave on 14 Sep 2016, 07:28 pm
Hi James.
I hope the BCD-3 is sooner than later. My dealer keeps saying soon. I recently sold my Krell Cipher, because I replaced a few components and lost Synergy. I replaced my Krell amp with new Pass Labs.8. I replaced my Sonus Faber Guarneri Memento with Wilson Sabrina speakers. I paid in full to my Bryston dealer, and been waiting for over a month. I hope I receive mine before Christmas. Further delays makes unhappy customers. Siltech

have no fear, james tanner (vp of bryston) will take care of you..i can safely speak for the rest of the bryston owners around here...james is a swell guy. :)
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Siltech on 17 Sep 2016, 07:55 am
Not Worried, Just Disappointed. A lot of delays. I may buy something else, and sell BCD-3 on CAM, whenever I receive it.
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: vegasdave on 17 Sep 2016, 05:11 pm
Not Worried, Just Disappointed. A lot of delays. I may buy something else, and sell BCD-3 on CAM, whenever I receive it.

ok cool, whatever makes you happy...however, i would contact james to see if he can remedy the situation..

by the way siltech are awesome cables...proably the best, imo. i wish they were less expensive though!
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 17 Sep 2016, 05:44 pm
Hi Folks,

Sorry about the delay but the part we use on the CD tray drawer came in defective :duh:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=150463)

james
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Marius on 17 Sep 2016, 09:29 pm
Hi Folks,

Sorry about the delay but the part we use on the CD tray drawer came in defective :duh:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=150463)

james


HI James,


is this pic still the prototype? The drawer seems recessed, and of different color/material? Will the definitive player change that, maybe even with some etching or Bryson logo-ing, like the BCD-1?


Cheers,
Marius

Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Siltech on 17 Sep 2016, 10:55 pm
@vegasdave
Cool man. I agree Siltech cables are phenomenal. I use Siltech Royal Signature Prince speaker cable, Ruby Mountain II power cable, Ruby Hill II power cable, and Princess XLR-XLR interconnect. I also have a PS Audio P10 on a dedicated line via a PS audio AC12 power cable.. I love super clean power, and very good cables feeding my components.   Siltech
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: vegasdave on 17 Sep 2016, 11:29 pm
@vegasdave
Cool man. I agree Siltech cables are phenomenal. I use Siltech Royal Signature Prince speaker cable, Ruby Mountain II power cable, Ruby Hill II power cable, and Princess XLR-XLR interconnect. I also have a PS Audio P10 on a dedicated line via a PS audio AC12 power cable.. I love super clean power, and very good cables feeding my components.   Siltech

wow, those are dream cables to me, lol. you must be quite well to do... i'm lucky if i can afford the bottom of the line stuff, used that is, lol.
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Siltech on 18 Sep 2016, 12:05 am
Mr Vegas, I'm sure you have a great setup. Siltech
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: vegasdave on 18 Sep 2016, 12:12 am
Mr Vegas, I'm sure you have a great setup. Siltech
yeah, itain't bad...


https://systems.audiogon.com/systems/3763
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 18 Sep 2016, 12:47 am

HI James,


is this pic still the prototype? The drawer seems recessed, and of different color/material? Will the definitive player change that, maybe even with some etching or Bryson logo-ing, like the BCD-1?


Cheers,
Marius

Hi Marius

Yes its the prototype and the  cover for the drawer is missing

james
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Marius on 20 Sep 2016, 08:46 am
Hi Marius

Yes its the prototype and the  cover for the drawer is missing

james
just realized that might have been the defective part you where referring to... sorry for my question in that case, should have read more carefully...


Cheerio,
Marius
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Rod_S on 22 Sep 2016, 11:46 am
... I use Siltech Royal Signature Prince speaker cable, Ruby Mountain II power cable, Ruby Hill II power cable, and Princess XLR-XLR interconnect. I also have a PS Audio P10 on a dedicated line via a PS audio AC12 power cable.. I love super clean power, and very good cables feeding my components.   Siltech

Very nice loom of cables. I'm slowly moving there myself except for the Ruby Mountain II's as they are to expensive for the lengths I need so I'll be sticking with the Hill's for everything. I have two Hill II's so far plus a Golden Ridge II. I'm looking at getting 2 or 3 more Hill's before getting a ...gulp...4 meter pair of Princess cables. Then eventually I'll get a pair of Prince speaker cables.
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Samurai7595 on 3 Oct 2016, 12:12 pm
Hi Folks,

Sorry about the delay but the part we use on the CD tray drawer came in defective :duh:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=150463)

james

James, would you have an updated ETA for Canadian dealers?
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 3 Oct 2016, 05:12 pm
James, would you have an updated ETA for Canadian dealers?

Yes we have started getting all the parts in and we should be building the players shortly.

james

Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: vegasdave on 3 Oct 2016, 08:05 pm
so james. again, does the new player upsample?
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 3 Oct 2016, 09:47 pm
so james. again, does the new player upsample?

Hi

No upsampling is not available. We did not want it part of the design.

James
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: vegasdave on 3 Oct 2016, 10:29 pm
ok james pardon my ignorance but wouldn't it be advantageous to upsample to a higher bitrate and sampling rate? my understanding is that upsampling to say, dsd is a great way to go...i know you guys don't copy other companies and you do things your way. which i highly respect. your approach to manufacturing is quite sovereign and is without a doubt for the discriminating listener. so my intent is not to scrutinize you, but to try to understand what you are accomplishing with this player. i look forward to your response...
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 4 Oct 2016, 12:26 am
ok james pardon my ignorance but wouldn't it be advantageous to upsample to a higher bitrate and sampling rate? my understanding is that upsampling to say, dsd is a great way to go...i know you guys don't copy other companies and you do things your way. which i highly respect. your approach to manufacturing is quite sovereign and is without a doubt for the discriminating listener. so my intent is not to scrutinize you, but to try to understand what you are accomplishing with this player. i look forward to your response...

HI

The BCD3 was designed to give the best possible performance from a 44.1/16 bit signal (CD's). So the clocking etc. is design to do just that and that alone.  Allowing up-sampling changes that equation so not something we wanted to do.

james

Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Siltech on 4 Oct 2016, 02:44 am
@ Mr Tanner
Did the BCD-1 up sample? Wouldn't upsampling benefit from the advanced AKM 4490 Dacs. I believe my Krell Cipher I sold upsampled, and it sounded pretty darn good. How can the BCD-3 have fine micro dynamics without upsampled? Thanks Mr Tanner.  Siltech
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Siltech on 4 Oct 2016, 03:16 am
@ Mr Tanner
I read a previous review on the Bryston BCD-1, and it upsample to 192/24 and oversamples 128 times. I love the sound of this player. Why wouldn't you upsample the BCD-3, like BCD-1? I can't see micro dynamics as good in BCD-3, as BCD-1 without upsample. I'm not sure I would of order one, and prepaid in full, if I new this info. One would assume upsample, with the AKM Dacs.  $3499.00 Red Book Player, and no upsampling. I respect Bryston, but in no way is this a better way. I believe the Oppo Player don't upsample, but cost a lot less. I mean no disrespect to you, or Bryston in anyway. I'm just expressing my unhappy views. Thanks.  Siltech
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 4 Oct 2016, 10:45 am
Aren't CDs going out anyways in a decade or so?  :violin: :dunno:

Love my BCD-1 and it's staying put -- with my BDA-1.  :thumb:

sigh. we are all at the mercy of the manufacturers.
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Siltech on 4 Oct 2016, 11:59 am
 @ Mr M. That's irrelevant. I think you make something, the best it can be. Awhile back, weren't albums distinct. I doubt CDs are going anytime soon, with millions out there. Great audiophile answer Mr M- (aren't cd format being distinct )
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: zoom25 on 4 Oct 2016, 12:12 pm
I have absolutely no problem with no upsampling in BCD-3. Most of the upsampling I've seen done on hardware and software on various filters has been less than stellar especially when upping the sample rate from the native 44.1 or 48. Upsampling a 16/44.1 to 24/44.1 is the only one that suits with me. Amarra SQ as a reference does this by default.

In fact you'll see most albums being released in 24/44.1...there's something about it that sounds the most pleasing and natural. Almost across all converters. Just survey the top ME and I guarantee the consensus will be in favour of 24/44.1.

So to hear that Bryston is focusing on doing just 16/44.1 and perfecting the sound particularly for that, actually makes me want to consider it even more.
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 4 Oct 2016, 12:15 pm
zoom, I think the OP's point was that, for that amt of investment $$$, upsampling should have been integral, like in the BCD-1.

I agree that 24-bit files sound better than 16-bit.
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 4 Oct 2016, 12:17 pm
@ Mr M. I doubt CDs are going anytime soon, with millions out there. Great audiophile answer Mr M- (aren't cd format being distinct )

Well, I shall wait and see, re. CD longevity on the market. I hope you're right, that CDs are here to stay.
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Siltech on 4 Oct 2016, 12:28 pm
Cool.
dCS is one of the best companies in the World for digital. Why do they upsample DSD from CDs? ( they say sound is more analog. ) They can't be wrong.
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 4 Oct 2016, 12:36 pm
@ Mr Tanner
I read a previous review on the Bryston BCD-1, and it upsample to 192/24 and oversamples 128 times. I love the sound of this player. Why wouldn't you upsample the BCD-3, like BCD-1? I can't see micro dynamics as good in BCD-3, as BCD-1 without upsample. I'm not sure I would of order one, and prepaid in full, if I new this info. One would assume upsample, with the AKM Dacs.  $3499.00 Red Book Player, and no upsampling. I respect Bryston, but in no way is this a better way. I believe the Oppo Player don't upsample, but cost a lot less. I mean no disrespect to you, or Bryston in anyway. I'm just expressing my unhappy views. Thanks.  Siltech


Hi Siltech

I think there is a misunderstanding between 'Up-sampling' and 'Over-sampling'.

The BCD-1 does not 'up-sample'.

The BCD-1 does however 'over-sample' 384 times.

The BCD-3 'over-samples' 768 times.

That's not the whole story though as the BCD-3 has many improvements over the BCD-1, making it a better sounding player in my opinion.

Other companies like DCS have their philosophy about what their designs should do and of course we have ours. Ultimately it is up to the customer to decide what sounds best to him or her.

james



Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Siltech on 4 Oct 2016, 12:42 pm
Thanks Mr Tanner for your answer, I appreciate it.   Siltech
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 4 Oct 2016, 01:22 pm
Cool.
dCS is one of the best companies in the World for digital. Why do they upsample DSD from CDs? ( they say sound is more analog. ) They can't be wrong.

Let us know how your BCD-3 sounds after you have it for a while.  :P
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: srb on 4 Oct 2016, 01:28 pm
The BCD-1 does however 'over-sample' 384 times.

Both the BCD-1 Product Page (http://www.bryston.com/products/digital_audio/BCD-1.html) and the BCD-1 Brochure (http://www.bryston.com/PDF/brochures/BCD1_BROCHURE.pdf) say oversampling is 128X.  Was there a design change during the product cycle?
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 4 Oct 2016, 01:38 pm
Curious -- if one oversamples to a higher and higher level (>> 384), would this result in better and better performance  assuming downstream gear is commensurately excellent?
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Siltech on 4 Oct 2016, 01:45 pm
From Bryson site for BCD-1 below.
Redbook CD and CD-R playback
Fully discrete Bryston Class-A analog output stage
Crystal 192k/24bit DAC
Over-samples at 128 times
Independent analog and digital power supplies
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 4 Oct 2016, 02:56 pm
From Bryson site for BCD-1 below.
Redbook CD and CD-R playback
Fully discrete Bryston Class-A analog output stage
Crystal 192k/24bit DAC
Over-samples at 128 times
Independent analog and digital power supplies

Hi

That is incorrect as it over-samples at twice that - not sure how that got reported.  I spoke to the design engineer this morning and he confirmed the BCD-1 over-samples at 384.

james
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 4 Oct 2016, 03:04 pm
Hi

That is incorrect as it over-samples at twice that - not sure how that got reported.  I spoke to the design engineer this morning and he confirmed the BCD-1 over-samples at 384.

james

PS

I should probably point out though that these types of numbers like over-sampling and up-sampling only tell a small part of the story.  Things like separate power supplies for digital and analog, proper routing of low level circuitry, ground planes, Class A circuits for the analog section etc. matter much more when it comes to the sound quality.

james
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Haurock on 4 Oct 2016, 04:50 pm
Well, I shall wait and see, re. CD longevity on the market. I hope you're right, that CDs are here to stay.

The way vinyl is flooding the market lately and the surge of popularity in TT... methinks CDs are being replaced by LPs... now isn't that ironic?..

Seriously, I think CDs will be around for a long long time yet, though they may not be the number 1 listening option..
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 4 Oct 2016, 06:11 pm
You may be right -- CDs offer something tangible to hold, along with detailed booklets, unlike most LPs and digital file downloads.

In the foreseeable future, we may have brain implants that allow music streaming...without external in-ear/over-ear devices. Far-fetched? Limb and ear prosthetics ("bionics") were sci-fi not long ago.   :o
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Siltech on 6 Oct 2016, 12:05 pm
WHEN ARE THE Bryston BCD-3 BEING SHIPPED OUT?
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 6 Oct 2016, 12:20 pm
WHEN ARE THE Bryston BCD-3 BEING SHIPPED OUT?

Hi

We start production this month.
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: alexone on 6 Oct 2016, 12:24 pm
PS

I should probably point out though that these types of numbers like over-sampling and up-sampling only tell a small part of the story.  Things like separate power supplies for digital and analog, proper routing of low level circuitry, ground planes, Class A circuits for the analog section etc. matter much more when it comes to the sound quality.

james


so what makes the BCD-3 a better sounding player? what are the differences between the BCD-1 and the BCD-3??

al.
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Siltech on 6 Oct 2016, 12:57 pm
I think the main difference is the newer dual AKM4490 dacs.
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Siltech on 6 Oct 2016, 12:59 pm
The AKM4490 Dacs are used in Esoteric very high end line.
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 6 Oct 2016, 01:02 pm
Yes and also we have learned some things about signal routing and circuit layout in doing the BCD1 that has helped us improve on the BCD-3. 

There are no BCD-3 units out yet but the prototype I have at home is just sonic-ly exceptional in my opinion and I think you will see some stellar reviews coming.

james
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Haurock on 6 Oct 2016, 03:21 pm
Hi

We start production this month.

 :green:  There are 25 more days in this month!.. tick tock.. tick tock.. tick tock..
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: schmidtmike76 on 6 Oct 2016, 04:00 pm
I have the BDA-2 and just ordered the Pi I hope im not making a mistake as CD is still king for me.  I could sell the dac and for the price of the Pi could buy me a BCD-3.  Time will tell
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Samurai7595 on 7 Oct 2016, 10:57 am
Yes and also we have learned some things about signal routing and circuit layout in doing the BCD1 that has helped us improve on the BCD-3. 

There are no BCD-3 units out yet but the prototype I have at home is just sonic-ly exceptional in my opinion and I think you will see some stellar reviews coming.

james

That's great news!

I'm on standby for a BCD-3 from Audioville (17-inch silver faceplate with blue display).   :thumb:
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Siltech on 7 Oct 2016, 11:37 am
My order is same, 17" silver faceplate with blue display.  Siltech
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Haurock on 7 Oct 2016, 01:17 pm
I have one on order as well from Audio Eden, but I want one in black, to go with the BDA3 I obtained back in June.. can't wait!  :P
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: alexone on 7 Oct 2016, 08:07 pm

...you lucky guys! congrats and let us know your impressions :thumb:

very nice player indeed!!!

al.
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 8 Oct 2016, 11:59 am
HAPPY THANKSGIVING, everyone!

May the turkeys be on your plate, and not in your listening rooms or at your dealer's inventory.   :lol:
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Samurai7595 on 8 Oct 2016, 01:23 pm
HAPPY THANKSGIVING, everyone!

May the turkeys be on your plate, and not in your listening rooms or at your dealer's inventory.   :lol:

 :thumb:
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Siltech on 9 Oct 2016, 12:37 am

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=151679)
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Samurai7595 on 9 Oct 2016, 02:18 pm
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=151679)

Gorgeous!!!!!  :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Samurai7595 on 13 Oct 2016, 11:00 am
James, I believe that the BCD-1 uses the Phillips CD-pro-2 transport.  What transport will the BCD-3 use?
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 13 Oct 2016, 01:04 pm
James, I believe that the BCD-1 uses the Phillips CD-pro-2 transport.  What transport will the BCD-3 use?

Hi

It's a dedicated Redbook Sony drive - its really nice and fluid in operation.

james
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Siltech on 13 Oct 2016, 05:24 pm
Are the BCD3 going out before the Taves show?
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 13 Oct 2016, 05:27 pm
Are the BCD3 going out before the Taves show?

Hi

No I do not think so as we are waiting for faceplates.

james
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Siltech on 13 Oct 2016, 05:47 pm
Will there be a working BCD3 at the Taves show?
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 13 Oct 2016, 05:54 pm
Will there be a working BCD3 at the Taves show?

HI

We should have the prototype there but I usually use the BDP-2 as our source.

james
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Siltech on 20 Oct 2016, 12:17 pm
Do you no when there shipping BCD-3. On the site said various dates from Bryston. I ordered and paid for one months ago. I'm serious thinking of going to dealer and getting my money back, and buy elsewhere. A lot of delays. I'll speak my mind and say it's ?
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 20 Oct 2016, 01:17 pm
Hi

Yes we are still working on it - we were planning on building this week but we received the faceplates and they were not polished correctly so we rejected them.

james
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Haurock on 20 Oct 2016, 04:53 pm
 :sad:... ETA?
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 20 Oct 2016, 05:09 pm
:sad:... ETA?

Hi

They promised they would get them to us next week which means we can start shipping in November..

james
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Haurock on 20 Oct 2016, 08:45 pm
Okay, Thanks James.. appreciate the updates.. :)
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: BrystonFan on 20 Oct 2016, 09:50 pm
What is the Canadian MSRP on this new puppy?
James, can you bring a demo unit to "Bryston Day" at Audio One later next month?
Thanks James.
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 20 Oct 2016, 10:01 pm
What is the Canadian MSRP on this new puppy?
James, can you bring a demo unit to "Bryston Day" at Audio One later next month?
Thanks James.

$3495 list

james
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: 1ZIP on 20 Oct 2016, 11:15 pm
Hi

Yes we are still working on it - we were planning on building this week but we received the faceplates and they were not polished correctly so we rejected them.

james

Is this the same problem you mentioned back on  Sept. 17th - "Sorry about the delay but the part we use on the CD tray drawer came in defective".
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 21 Oct 2016, 12:14 am
Is this the same problem you mentioned back on  Sept. 17th - "Sorry about the delay but the part we use on the CD tray drawer came in defective".

No that was the cover for the CD tray - this is the full faceplates on the front of the CD player.

james
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Siltech on 2 Nov 2016, 01:08 am
Are we looking at November, December, January? I'm starting to look at Esoteric players.
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 2 Nov 2016, 11:01 am
Are we looking at November, December, January? I'm starting to look at Esoteric players.

Marantz also makes good CDPs that may also do SACD (their SA8004 model).
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Samurai7595 on 2 Nov 2016, 11:04 am
Are we looking at November, December, January? I'm starting to look at Esoteric players.

If you can't wait, Simaudio Moon Neo 260D is another great possibility (it's available now).  It's gotten great reviews!  :thumb:

http://www.simaudio.com/en/product/29-cd-transport-with-optional-dac.html (http://www.simaudio.com/en/product/29-cd-transport-with-optional-dac.html)

Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Siltech on 2 Nov 2016, 12:00 pm
Thanks, I appreciate it.
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 2 Nov 2016, 12:57 pm
Hi Siltech

Yes we should start shipping CD players in November. This has been a comedy of errors to say the least  :duh:

The flange that covers the CD drawer came in with the wrong dimensions. Everything else is sitting ready to go so very frustrating and counterproductive for our customers.

I understand if you need to move on.

james
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Haurock on 2 Nov 2016, 01:09 pm
Keep the faith James...  8)

I believe in you... !
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Siltech on 4 Nov 2016, 11:11 pm
Yeah................
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 5 Nov 2016, 12:22 am
Yeah................

you sound a bit skeptical.....or is it more like... :banghead:
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: David Cutler on 6 Nov 2016, 06:18 pm
With the imminent release of the BCD-3, what’s the status with respect of the remote control?
There was some talk of a cheaper alternative than the BR2 Remote Control.
Is one included?

Thanks, David
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 6 Nov 2016, 06:45 pm
With the imminent release of the BCD-3, what’s the status with respect of the remote control?
There was some talk of a cheaper alternative than the BR2 Remote Control.
Is one included?

Thanks, David

Hi David

We are working on that idea now.

james
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: grsimmon on 6 Nov 2016, 10:40 pm
Geez,  show some class people.   Bryston is an outstanding company with remarkable customer service.  Sh*t happens in manufacturing all the time, especially when new product comes out.  Try talking with unhappy customers from some of the "boutique" manufacturers, where they wait 6- 18 months AFTER they paid,  with little communication back from the company.   

For people to be making open comments about their lack of patience, or recommendations for other companies product,  on the Bryston forum moderated by James, is just totally rude.   That's what the "personal message " function and/or your dealer are for.   My kudos to James for taking the high road.   

I won't engage in an argument about it - but there, I spoke MY mind. 
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 7 Nov 2016, 12:43 am
Geez,  show some class people.   Bryston is an outstanding company with remarkable customer service.  Sh*t happens in manufacturing all the time, especially when new product comes out.  Try talking with unhappy customers from some of the "boutique" manufacturers, where they wait 6- 18 months AFTER they paid,  with little communication back from the company.   

For people to be making open comments about their lack of patience, or recommendations for other companies product,  on the Bryston forum moderated by James, is just totally rude.  That's what the "personal message " function and/or your dealer are for.   My kudos to James for taking the high road.   

I won't engage in an argument about it - but there, I spoke MY mind.


Nobody here ever said that Bryston's service was anything other than stellar. It is, imo.

I refer you to James' earlier post on "other brands" being mentioned in Bryston's forums.

http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=81282.0

What is a "boutique manufacturer"? Just asking.   :D
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: R. Daneel on 10 Nov 2016, 02:20 pm
Boutique brands are sold through specialized distributors and dealers who have boutique-like stores and listening rooms. Hence the term boutique manufacturer.

The term is usually associated with high price and low value so it has negative connotations. While this is not deserved in some cases, it is more than justified in many, many other cases.

Bryston is a boutique manufacturer but I think they make fine audio products.
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 10 Nov 2016, 03:27 pm
Boutique brands are sold through specialized distributors and dealers who have boutique-like stores and listening rooms. Hence the term boutique manufacturer.

The term is usually associated with high price and low value so it has negative connotations. While this is not deserved in some cases, it is more than justified in many, many other cases.

Bryston is a boutique manufacturer but I think they make fine audio products.

Thanks for clarifying.

Strange, all these labels. I thought initially that boutiques were being manufactured somehow.... :duh:
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 15 Nov 2016, 06:28 pm
Hi Folks,

We are going to be able to ship CD players in the next week or so BUT we only have ‘BLUE’ displays available – no ‘GREEN’.

We have a lot of CD Players on order so please check with your customers if they are OK with the Blue Display and Blue LED’s and let us know ASAP.

The GREEN displays will not be available for another 4 -6 weeks.

James Tanner
Bryston

Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Haurock on 15 Nov 2016, 08:48 pm
Hi James,

Thanks for the update...  since my BDA3 features green lights I guess I'm gonna have to wait a bit longer yet... I wonder if I could do an even swap for the BDA3 with blue lights.. (does it even come with blue lights?)

Rock


Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 15 Nov 2016, 09:10 pm
Hi James,

Thanks for the update...  since my BDA3 features green lights I guess I'm gonna have to wait a bit longer yet... I wonder if I could do an even swap for the BDA3 with blue lights.. (does it even come with blue lights?)

Rock

aw, c'mon. Get some variety, man.   :green:
I have black BDA-1/BHA-1 right in the middle of my otherwise all-silver Bryston shelf.  :duh:
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Haurock on 15 Nov 2016, 09:25 pm
*LOL*... sure sure.. put on the pressure!!1
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Haurock on 15 Nov 2016, 09:25 pm
*LOL*... sure sure.. put on the pressure!!
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: jtinto on 15 Nov 2016, 11:08 pm
HaHa. I know. I gave up trying to match everything a while ago.
I have a silver with green dac and headphone amp. Silver with blue pre and mps. Black with green amps.
All I need now is a black with blue CD-3 ...
 :duh:
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Siltech on 16 Nov 2016, 04:35 pm
I paid in full 3 months ago. On phone Bryston told me MAYBE NEXT MONTH. I had enough, and called my dealer to cancel my order, and get a for full purchased refund. Say what you may. Good luck, and l won't check or be back on this site. YES dCS  bye.
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Daniel Datchev on 16 Nov 2016, 04:49 pm
I own three Bryston CD players and I haven't believed when I heard the news of new player made by Bryston. I'm not so rich to my cheap " crap" offered nowadays in the days of widespread globalization.
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Daniel Datchev on 16 Nov 2016, 05:21 pm
I have to say that since I met Bryston products I look no further regardless the price. So it is a matter of personal choice whether or not to reorder a product. If Bryston have any problems with the suppliers they will postpone production in order to guarantee the quality of their products. It is not Samsung Note 7?
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Haurock on 22 Nov 2016, 08:45 pm
Has anyone received theirs yet????
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Mag on 22 Nov 2016, 11:51 pm
Not here and I'm first on the queue, #000001. 8)
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 23 Nov 2016, 01:13 am
Not here and I'm first on the queue, #000001. 8)

pssst...did you know that the earliest serial no. units are more prone to defects?

jk !   :green:

Get it autographed at factory! 
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: alexone on 23 Nov 2016, 08:26 pm
Not here and I'm first on the queue, #000001. 8)

...if so, very cool sn :thumb:

congrats and enjoy then...

al.
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: AndrewA on 24 Nov 2016, 02:51 pm
When production ramps up, will there be four options: silver/black faceplate, blue/green display/LEDs?  Or?
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 24 Nov 2016, 03:59 pm
When production ramps up, will there be four options: silver/black faceplate, blue/green display/LEDs?  Or?

Hi Andew

Yes the options will be Black or Silver faceplate and Green or Blue display and LED's.

james
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 27 Nov 2016, 11:28 am
Hi Folks,

Have the first of the production version of our new BCD3 CD Player at home for a final listen and check over on my Model T Active setup.

Will start shipping next week.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=154093)


james

Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Samurai7595 on 27 Nov 2016, 01:04 pm
Will start shipping next week.

 :thumb:
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: David Cutler on 27 Nov 2016, 04:48 pm
Sorry to re-ask the same question but what's the status with respect of the remote control?

Thanks, David
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 27 Nov 2016, 05:07 pm
Sorry to re-ask the same question but what's the status with respect of the remote control?
  • One is included with the BCD-3
  • Have to buy a BR2 Remote Control at full price
  • Able to buy a BR2 Remote Control at a discounted price (bundle/package deal?)
  • A cheaper alternative than the BR2 Remote Control

Thanks, David

Hi David

No remote control as many of our customers already have the BR2 remote.  We are looking at a cheap plastic version though going forward.

I am thinking that for those customers that do not have a BR2 I will offer the BR2 remote at a deep discount price for anyone that has purchased the BCD-3 CD Player

james

Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: David Cutler on 27 Nov 2016, 05:53 pm
Hello James,

Thanks for the comprehensive and prompt reply.

David
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: AndrewA on 28 Nov 2016, 01:00 pm
Will it respond to the remote that comes with the BCD-1?
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 28 Nov 2016, 02:17 pm
Will it respond to the remote that comes with the BCD-1?

Hi

Is it one of the early CD only remotes?

james
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 28 Nov 2016, 03:13 pm
Hi

Is it one of the early CD only remotes?

james


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=154169)
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 28 Nov 2016, 04:06 pm
That should work.  I will check with engineering.

james
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Haurock on 28 Nov 2016, 05:24 pm
Hi David

No remote control as many of our customers already have the BR2 remote.  We are looking at a cheap plastic version though going forward.

I am thinking that for those customers that do not have a BR2 I will offer the BR2 remote at a deep discount price for anyone that has purchased the BCD-3 CD Player

james


Hi James,

I'm thinking I'd like to get the BR2 with my new BCD-3 which is on order at AudioEden.  Can I ask what the current MSRP on the BR2 is and what a 'deep discount price' might be?   :green:

Merci!

Rock
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 28 Nov 2016, 05:26 pm

Hi James,

I'm thinking I'd like to get the BR2 with my new BCD-3 which is on order at AudioEden.  Can I ask what the current MSRP on the BR2 is and what a 'deep discount price' might be?   :green:

Merci!

Rock

Hi

Retail is $375 - I am thinking $150.00.

Also looking at doing a GUI so you could use your Phone or IPAD as a remote because the CD Player has an Ethernet connection.

james
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Haurock on 28 Nov 2016, 05:36 pm
James,

That would be cool.  I use my iPad for my Sonos, so that would be just too easy. 

For $150, I'm in!

Rock
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 3 Dec 2016, 06:36 pm
Hi Folks,

GUI for your IPAD to remote control the new Bryston BCD-3 CD Player.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=154350)

james





Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Mag on 3 Dec 2016, 09:06 pm
I like it! But I still have to get out of the chair to change cd. :?

Are you going to provide a code for learning remotes?  I have a few around here if I can find 'em, probably go that route.
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 3 Dec 2016, 09:13 pm
I like it! But I still have to get out of the chair to change cd. :?

Are you going to provide a code for learning remotes?  I have a few around here if I can find 'em, probably go that route.

Hi mag

Thats not a bad idea - will look into that.

james

Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Hicham on 3 Dec 2016, 10:14 pm
James,

Please, Will the BCD-3 be switchable between the 120 / 230 volt?
Will it have -in the rear panel- the provision to do this?
Thanks.
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 3 Dec 2016, 10:16 pm
James,

Please, Will the BCD-3 be switchable between the 120 / 230 volt?
Will it have -in the rear panel- the provision to do this?
Thanks.

No - sorry they have dedicated 100/120/230/240 volt versions.

james
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Samurai7595 on 4 Dec 2016, 12:56 pm
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=154350)

Very cool!  8)  :thumb:
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Siltech on 5 Dec 2016, 03:23 pm
Has anyone received a BCD-3 yet?
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Haurock on 5 Dec 2016, 05:02 pm
anyday.. now...!
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 5 Dec 2016, 05:22 pm
anyday.. now...!

Hi

So far only I have one at home and I used another at the Greater Toronto Audio Society get together this last Saturday - all went well.

We have over 50 on back order but should be getting some off the test beach and shipped this week.

james
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 5 Dec 2016, 05:35 pm
I had enough, and called my dealer to cancel my order, and get a for full purchased refund. Say what you may. Good luck, and l won't check or be back on this site. YES dCS bye.

How's the dCS sounding?
 

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=154430)
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: PierreB on 5 Dec 2016, 06:22 pm
How's the dCS sounding?
 

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=154430)

 :rotflmao:
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Siltech on 5 Dec 2016, 08:17 pm
Beautiful. Very soon BCD-3 on CAM.   Dude
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Haurock on 6 Dec 2016, 12:00 am
James,

Does the BCD3 need to be wired in to my router for this to work? Or will it work wirelessly?

Rock


I like it! But I still have to get out of the chair to change cd. :?

Are you going to provide a code for learning remotes?  I have a few around here if I can find 'em, probably go that route.
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 6 Dec 2016, 12:02 am
James,

Does the BCD3 need to be wired in to my router for this to work? Or will it work wirelessly?

Rock

Hi Rock

if you want the remote GUI it has to be attached to a router - either on the network or a separate man-cave option.

james
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Haurock on 6 Dec 2016, 12:04 am
I don't know if I dare ask... separate man-cave option??
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 6 Dec 2016, 02:46 am
I don't know if I dare ask... separate man-cave option??

Just a router attached to the BCD3 but not on the network.

James
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Haurock on 9 Dec 2016, 01:45 pm
James,

If I understand you correctly, and please forgive my ignorance, simply by attaching a router to directly to the CD player, I'd be able to use my iPad to control the CD player.  The CP player and router would not necessarily communicate with my main router?  Something tells me that it could be made to do so...
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 9 Dec 2016, 02:43 pm
James,

If I understand you correctly, and please forgive my ignorance, simply by attaching a router to directly to the CD player, I'd be able to use my iPad to control the CD player.  The CP player and router would not necessarily communicate with my main router?  Something tells me that it could be made to do so...

Hi

Yes its what I call my ManCave option.  Its what I use at audio shows as you have a dedicated network.

james
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Baroque on 9 Dec 2016, 09:49 pm
Hi, I bought one BCD -3 this week... :D

I don't know when I will received it?

I would like to know if some body received it?

Thanks...Steve
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 9 Dec 2016, 11:42 pm
Hi, I bought one BCD -3 this week... :D

I don't know when I will received it?

I would like to know if some body received it?

Thanks...Steve

Thanks Steve

I am sorry for the delays on this but the CD players should start to leave next week.

james
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Baroque on 10 Dec 2016, 01:12 am
Perfect, thanks for your fast answer! :thumb:

Steve
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: DogsPart2 on 13 Dec 2016, 02:16 pm
No digital inputs at this price point is a deal breaker for a redbook player for me.  YMMV.
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 13 Dec 2016, 02:42 pm
No digital inputs at this price point is a deal breaker for a redbook player for me.  YMMV.

+1 on this. 
At almost $4K this should be a 2-in-1 -- CDP + stand-alone DAC if desired.
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Siltech on 13 Dec 2016, 03:04 pm
Think about it. If Bryston BCD-3 had built in dac, it would wipe my it BDA-3.   All Buisness
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Siltech on 13 Dec 2016, 03:15 pm
Should have two options. One redbook BCD-3 player. One BCD-3 with optional digital inputs, as a upgrade at a cost to buyer.
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 13 Dec 2016, 04:06 pm
Should have two options. One redbook BCD-3 player. One BCD-3 with optional digital inputs, as a upgrade at a cost to buyer.

Hi Siltech

It would have to have completely different circuitry to add Digital inputs and as I have said totally negate the whole idea of keeping the jitter at "ZERO" which is what a Redbook CD player does.

The BDA-3 is for those that want a universal DAC where many different sources can be accommodated.

james
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 13 Dec 2016, 04:09 pm
Think about it. If Bryston BCD-3 had built in dac, it would wipe my it BDA-3.   All Buisness

I did. Sales for sure. Their BDA-3 is selling quite well.
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 13 Dec 2016, 04:34 pm
The human auditory perception threshold for jitter is around 100 nanosecs. Not picoseconds. So, engineering DACs for jitter < 10 ps looks great on paper, but in the real world of listening room conditions, 99% of the human population can't detect an increase in timing errors even as high as 250 nansecs in some instances.

1 nanosec = 1000 picosec !

Interesting article for the hard-core crowd:

http://www.yamahaproaudio.com/europe/en_gb/training_support/selftraining/audio_quality/chapter5/10_jitter/

Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Haurock on 13 Dec 2016, 07:00 pm
James,

With the imminent release of the BCD3, can you tell us how the sound of CD's compare to music streamed from a PC, or via the BDP2?

Currently I'm listening to music via my Sonos - Remedy Reclocker (W4S) - through my BDA3.  All my music is stored on a network drive hooked to my router.  I'm surmising that the same CD played through the BCD3 should be marginally better, or at least as good as my current set up. 

Based on your experiences at home, was listening to the BCD3 as rewarding as listening to music via the BDA3?  Was it slightly better?

Thanks,

 
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 13 Dec 2016, 08:16 pm
James,

With the imminent release of the BCD3, can you tell us how the sound of CD's compare to music streamed from a PC, or via the BDP2?

Currently I'm listening to music via my Sonos - Remedy Reclocker (W4S) - through my BDA3.  All my music is stored on a network drive hooked to my router.  I'm surmising that the same CD played through the BCD3 should be marginally better, or at least as good as my current set up. 

Based on your experiences at home, was listening to the BCD3 as rewarding as listening to music via the BDA3?  Was it slightly better?

Thanks,

Hi

It interesting - so far there seems to be a bit of a tonal difference between my CD player and the BDP2 with the BDA3.  The CD Player has a bit more sparkle to it - as if there is a very slight tilt upward in the frequency response.  Whereas the BDP/BDA3 seems to sound a bit more relaxed with more mid to lower bass available.  Still experimenting and trying some blind test before I fully commit to an opinion.

james

Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Haurock on 15 Dec 2016, 01:34 pm
The end of the week is here... :green:.... will my phone be ringing?  :bowdown:
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Siltech on 15 Dec 2016, 02:55 pm
No phone call this week or next. My dealer called Bryston, and they said there awaiting some type of approval on the unit on Dec 22-2016. My dealer was told after Christmas, and with time of year---PROBABLY JAN-2017. You can call Brystons and check for yourself. Merry Christmas and Happy New Years All. SILTECH
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Haurock on 15 Dec 2016, 03:08 pm
Pffffffffffft... Really?  Who's your dealer?
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Haurock on 15 Dec 2016, 04:13 pm
Hmmmm.. Just spoke with Bryston.. Hydro approval is required and they should get that on 22 Dec 16.  So.. looks like the end of the month/early January...  :sad:
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Siltech on 15 Dec 2016, 04:31 pm
Hmmm. I think your repeating what I just said.
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 15 Dec 2016, 05:53 pm
Hi Folks,

The bureaucracy is the bane of my life  :duh:

They have confirmed we will get final hydro and safety approvals on Dec 22.  We will ship the next day !!!!

james

Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Haurock on 15 Dec 2016, 07:06 pm
James.. I am feeling for you.. and you're assuming they will say.. yes...   :icon_lol:

Maybe I need to talk to my dealer and see if he can arrange shipment directly from Bryston to my home... that way I can expect my new BCD3 to be under the ole XMas tree!



Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Haurock on 15 Dec 2016, 07:23 pm
James,

I think that for those of us exercising such outstanding patience and diligence that, we should be afforded... special :xmas: pricing!., or a free remote control!!! :singing:  I'm easy..... :eyebrows:
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 15 Dec 2016, 11:32 pm
 :jester:
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Mag on 16 Dec 2016, 12:18 am
Hi

It interesting - so far there seems to be a bit of a tonal difference between my CD player and the BDP2 with the BDA3.  The CD Player has a bit more sparkle to it - as if there is a very slight tilt upward in the frequency response.  Whereas the BDP/BDA3 seems to sound a bit more relaxed with more mid to lower bass available.  Still experimenting and trying some blind test before I fully commit to an opinion.

james

Given the accolades being given to the BDA-3. What do you believe is the reason for the perceived tonal difference between the BCD-3 and the BDA-3.

Is it more accurate because of precise clock timing?
Is it because of differences in the circuitry?
Is it because of oversampling?

And is the perceived difference even if it's only 2% going to elevate the experienced listener in sonic bliss? :smoke:
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 16 Dec 2016, 03:34 am
^ well, could be a combo of these things.

Betcha the analog cable has something to do with the diffs. If James used the BCD-3 straight to his linestage, then that's probably a different cable than the one from his BDA-3 to line (?). Much depends on whether BCD is used as a player or a digital transport feeding BDA.
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 16 Dec 2016, 03:38 am
Hi Folks,

The bureaucracy is the bane of my life  :duh:

They have confirmed we will get final hydro and safety approvals on Dec 22.  We will ship the next day !!!!

james

Why does Bryston need to jump thru so many hoops? You guys have been making players and amps for years now; track record should count for a lot with the feds. It's not like a totally new, revolutionary circuit is coming out.
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 16 Dec 2016, 10:54 am
Why does Bryston need to jump thru so many hoops? You guys have been making players and amps for years now; track record should count for a lot with the feds. It's not like a totally new, revolutionary circuit is coming out.

The difference is that in the old days you just had to get safety and hydro approvals in the country the product was manufactured in. Now you have to get approvals for all the countries you ship too. CE for Europe. CCC for China ,  CSA for Canada - the list goes on.

So these testing companies have sprung up that you have to deal with to get these approvals and even though we have been doing this for 50 years and have not burned any of our customers houses down yet that counts for nothing as its a money grab. (For CCC in China they have to send representatives from China to check out your plant - at your expense). It costs many thousands of dollars per unit (even each model of amp has to be tested independently - 2B,3B,4B etc.). That's why we as a responsible manufacturer are at a disadvantage as many other companies just ignore these requirements. i'm rambling - sorry.

Also the tests they run border on insanity in my opinion because they are exercises in 'what -if' scenarios which in the real world would never occur. 

james
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 16 Dec 2016, 11:14 am
^ Thanks for the insights into the ridiculous bureaucracy. Money-grab for sure. It's a tribute that Bryston doesn't charge us much more for the gear, for cost-recovery. Kudos for that!
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Haurock on 16 Dec 2016, 02:08 pm
It is almost 2017... a sign of the times I`m sure.
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Haurock on 16 Dec 2016, 02:11 pm
James,

You mentioned earlier that this first shipment of the BCD3 would only have blue lights... Will this delay the availability of the BCD3 with green lights?  I believe you had said these would be coming out in early January.  Is this still the plan or has everything shifted to the right?
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 16 Dec 2016, 02:36 pm
James,

You mentioned earlier that this first shipment of the BCD3 would only have blue lights... Will this delay the availability of the BCD3 with green lights?  I believe you had said these would be coming out in early January.  Is this still the plan or has everything shifted to the right?

Hi

The green issue was we could not get the displays but I believe that we have them now.

james
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: DogsPart2 on 16 Dec 2016, 02:38 pm
At this price point, lack of digital inputs is a deal breaker for me.
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 16 Dec 2016, 02:51 pm
Hi Folks,

Starting to get some PIC's of production units.  :thumb:


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=154996)
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Haurock on 16 Dec 2016, 03:05 pm
Very very nice...  :D...
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Siltech on 16 Dec 2016, 03:08 pm
This black unit looks great. I'm sure the silver will look great too. What's the warranty on this new product?
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Haurock on 16 Dec 2016, 04:10 pm
Here is Bryston warranty on the BOT-1.  I would surmise there would be a similar warranty on the CD players.

Warranty
Bryston warrants all digital audio products except the BOT-1 for a period of 5 years against defects in materials
or workmanship. The BOT-1 optical transport is warranted for 3 years. See www.bryston.com or individual
product owner’s manuals. for details.
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Siltech on 16 Dec 2016, 04:21 pm
Mr Tanner in previous post said 3 or maybee 5. A hi-end quality product from Bryston would be great with a 5 year parts and labour warranty. PLEASE
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 16 Dec 2016, 04:22 pm
This black unit looks great. I'm sure the silver will look great too. What's the warranty on this new product?

Hi

Starting with 3 years due to the moving parts but may consider 3 on the drive and 5 on everything else.

james
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 21 Dec 2016, 01:22 pm
Hi Folks

Have the CD Owners Manual available as a PDF  - jamestanner@bryston.com

james
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 22 Dec 2016, 08:03 pm
Hi Folks

Have the CD Owners Manual available as a PDF  - jamestanner@bryston.com

james

12 CD Players left today.  :thumb:

james

Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Folsom on 22 Dec 2016, 08:08 pm
Looks nice. (http://www.monoandstereo.com/2016/12/bryston-bcd-3-cd-player-new.html#more) I like the balanced digital out.
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Haurock on 22 Dec 2016, 09:43 pm
I sure hope mine is in this batch...!!! :green: 
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Siltech on 22 Dec 2016, 09:52 pm
When will BCD-3 be on the Brystons web page? When can we download the BCD-3 manual?
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Siltech on 22 Dec 2016, 09:56 pm
check it out.

http://hometheaterreview.com/bryston-introduces-bcd-3-cd-player/
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 22 Dec 2016, 10:02 pm
When will BCD-3 be on the Brystons web page? When can we download the BCD-3 manual?

HI

Send me an email and I will send you the manual.  jamestanner@bryston.com

james
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 22 Dec 2016, 10:53 pm
James,

Bryston states that users will have a choice of XLR or RCA outputs.

Units don't come with both?

Thanks
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 22 Dec 2016, 11:00 pm
James,

Bryston states that users will have a choice of XLR or RCA outputs.

Units don't come with both?

Thanks

Yes both.
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Siltech on 23 Dec 2016, 12:23 am
Does the BCD-3 come with a basic remote control?

Also, I think you said we can buy a remote for $150.00
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 23 Dec 2016, 01:13 am
Does the BCD-3 come with a basic remote control?

Also, I think you said we can buy a remote for $150.00

No remote but you can use the BR2 remote or a GUI on your IPAD / IPHONE computer etc.
I am going to look at a special deal on the BR2 remote.

james

Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Siltech on 23 Dec 2016, 03:17 am
James Tanner
Facilitator
 




Hi James,

I'm thinking I'd like to get the BR2 with my new BCD-3 which is on order at AudioEden.  Can I ask what the current MSRP on the BR2 is and what a 'deep discount price' might be?   :green:

Merci!

Rock

Hi

Retail is $375 - I am thinking $150.00.

Also looking at doing a GUI so you could use your Phone or IPAD as a remote because the CD Player has an Ethernet connection.

james
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Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 23 Dec 2016, 11:57 am
James Tanner
Facilitator
 




Hi James,

I'm thinking I'd like to get the BR2 with my new BCD-3 which is on order at AudioEden.  Can I ask what the current MSRP on the BR2 is and what a 'deep discount price' might be?   :green:

Merci!

Rock

Hi

Retail is $375 - I am thinking $150.00.

Also looking at doing a GUI so you could use your Phone or IPAD as a remote because the CD Player has an Ethernet connection.

james
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Hi

I am still discussing it but should be able to let you know soon.

james

Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Haurock on 23 Dec 2016, 01:56 pm
James,

Thank You!
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Haurock on 23 Dec 2016, 07:25 pm
Dealer is shipping this afternoon!!!   Should be here early next week!!! :singing:
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Siltech on 24 Dec 2016, 01:59 am

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Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Siltech on 24 Dec 2016, 02:01 am
Sorry, I meant too send only one picture in the above post. Thanks
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 24 Dec 2016, 02:07 am
Sorry, I meant too send only one picture in the above post. Thanks

Hi

So you have the first unit. Looking forward to your feedback.

James
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: redbook on 24 Dec 2016, 02:10 am
 please let us know how you find the sound compared to  the bcd-1...thanks :thumb: and congrats on your new  player.
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Siltech on 24 Dec 2016, 02:12 am
Thank you Mr Tanner. I'm really sorry, I only meant for one picture to show. I'll test the unit in the weekend. I sure it'll sound great. This is replacing my Krell Cipher. Thanks
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: srb on 24 Dec 2016, 02:35 am
Sorry, I meant too send only one picture in the above post.

Just edit and delete the duplicates.
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Siltech on 24 Dec 2016, 03:00 am
Thanks srb, I deleted duplicates. 
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Siltech on 24 Dec 2016, 11:36 pm
Bryston BCD-3 connected via Siltech Royal Signature Princess XLR to XLR, Siltech Royal Signature Ruby Mountain II power capable to PS Audio P10 regenerator. Powered by Pass Labs INT-60 with Siltech Royal Signature Ruby Mountains II power cable into PS Audio P10 Regenerator. connected to Wilson Audio Yvette speakers via Siltech Royal Signature Prince spade to spade cables. With this setup, the BCD-3 Sounds Devine.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=155367)
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: schmidtmike76 on 24 Dec 2016, 11:43 pm
Beautiful system, Merry Christmas enjoy!
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Siltech on 25 Dec 2016, 12:20 am
Thanks Mike76.
    This thing sounds great out of the box. Very full soundstage, articulate, pin point, natural, 100% grain free, dead quiet drive, ultra black background, etc. Wonder has it'll sound when fully broken in. How long of play time to fully break in? Time to enjoy, now. I hope Mr Tanner sells us the aluminum remote for $150.00. I would like a remote, since this unit doesn't come with one. Other than no remote, product is A+++ Have a Merry Christmas.   3 sounds better than 1, hands down.    Chow
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 25 Dec 2016, 11:53 am
Hi Siltech

Thanks for this feedback - I was really nervous about how the CD Player would be received and I'm glad you find it sonically and mechanically excellent.  When I was auditioning it at home I was amazed at how well it handled transients and how the micro details were so well delineated.

One area of performance I have not figured out yet is how 'tonally balanced' it sounds.  By that I mean when you listen to most gear there are usually areas of the frequency response where one area will slightly dominate over another.  Not in a gross way but in a very subtle way.  So there may be a bit more bass or a slightly exaggerated mid or bight highs etc. The BCD-3 though seems to be just so tonally correct that I noticed it right away.  Not sure why?

james
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Siltech on 25 Dec 2016, 02:20 pm
Mr Tanner, what is the full play break in time of this unit?
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 25 Dec 2016, 02:51 pm
Mr Tanner, what is the full play break in time of this unit?

Call be james please.

Hi

We 'burn in' all our products for 4 days before shipping so there is some initial use but that is mainly to catch any problems in assembly or faulty functions.

The engineers will tell me I am hallucinating and subject to physiological suggestion  :duh: but I find with most of our gear about 30 hours does it when it comes to a more open sound stage presentation and better low level delineation.

james
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: TJ-Sully on 25 Dec 2016, 11:28 pm
Mr Tanner, what is the full play break in time of this unit?


Siltech, such a lovely new CD player, and you are selling it already...what gives man?

TJ
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Siltech on 25 Dec 2016, 11:42 pm
The long five month wait, made me buy another player. ( dCS ). I have two players now, and one has to go. Still, the BCD-3 sounds incredible.
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: TJ-Sully on 26 Dec 2016, 12:04 am
All i can say is....lucky. Let the good times roll.    :thumb:
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: alexone on 26 Dec 2016, 07:10 pm

nice system, Siltech! enjoy your new player :thumb: :thumb:

al.
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: alexone on 26 Dec 2016, 07:58 pm
James,

the BR2...available for 150 $ just for those who bought a BCD-3??

al.
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 26 Dec 2016, 08:21 pm
James,

the BR2...available for 150 $ just for those who bought a BCD-3??

al.

H Al

Yes (if we decide to do it) it will be just for those that purchased the CD Player if they do not already have a BR2 or want to use their IPAD.

james

Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Siltech on 27 Dec 2016, 05:09 am
Silly me, I just ordered a Silver BR2 Remote.
https://youtu.be/se0XO3780Pg
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Siltech on 27 Dec 2016, 05:12 am
Check it out. Tap below link. So Cool.

https://youtu.be/se0XO3780Pg
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 28 Dec 2016, 08:29 pm
Bling.

There's a sucker born every minute.
 :evil:
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Mag on 29 Dec 2016, 11:30 pm
It's here! It's here! :bounce:

After the long wait my BCD-3 arrived today, however I didn't get the first unit off production.

Will set it up shortly and give my biased opinion after the loong weekend, my expectations are high. :smoke:
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 30 Dec 2016, 12:01 am
It's here! It's here! :bounce:

After the long wait my BCD-3 arrived today, however I didn't get the first unit off production.

Will set it up shortly and give my biased opinion after the loong weekend, my expectations are high. :smoke:

Great news Mag - please let me know your thoughts.

james

Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 30 Dec 2016, 05:30 pm
Hi Folks,

The BCD-3 CD Player is now on our website.

http://www.bryston.com/products/digital_audio/BCD-3.html

james

Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: sweetspot on 30 Dec 2016, 09:23 pm
James, the literature on the bcd-3 mentions that the front panel cosmetics match the new cubed amps. How does it look alongside the older sst2 amps?
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 30 Dec 2016, 10:30 pm
James, the literature on the bcd-3 mentions that the front panel cosmetics match the new cubed amps. How does it look alongside the older sst2 amps?

Its a very plain front:


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=155581)
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 31 Dec 2016, 02:30 am
Finally! It's here!

Right out of the box this CD player rocks. Listening to Melody Gardot as I write this and I'm glad I waited and didn't succumb to other very good CD players.

I'll post pictures shortly, but for now this is a great compliment component to the BDA3 and, I would surmise the BDP2.

it is very very quiet, the tray makes very little noise when opening or closing. The unit is solid and well build much like the other digital components Bryston has recently produced.

For, those of you who stream music and have a digital set-up and are looking for an excellent no-nonsense CD player that will revitalize your red book CD collection, I would have to argue you'd be hard pressed to do better than the Bryston CDP3.
__________________
Rock Hau
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Baroque on 31 Dec 2016, 04:37 am
This Cd player look very nice, I should receive my BCD-3 soon!  :roll:

Steve
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Mag on 31 Dec 2016, 12:40 pm
Great news Mag - please let me know your thoughts.

james

James you nailed it Perfect!!

Listened to Rush- All the World's Stage (2112, By Tor Snowdog), Kitaro- Enchanted Evening, Dire Straits- Brothers is Arms, outstanding. Then Lp's that I transferred to cd such as Hair by the Cowsills, Ventures- Hawaii Five O, Hugo Montenegro - Spaghetti Westerns, I had tears of joy.

Best audio source on the market! :smoke:
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 31 Dec 2016, 01:09 pm
James you nailed it Perfect!!

Listened to Rush- All the World's Stage (2112, By Tor Snowdog), Kitaro- Enchanted Evening, Dire Straits- Brothers is Arms, outstanding. Then Lp's that I transferred to cd such as Hair by the Cowsills, Ventures- Hawaii Five O, Hugo Montenegro - Spaghetti Westerns, I had tears of joy.

Best audio source on the market! :smoke:

Thanks Mag - I agree there is just 'something right' about the way this CD Player sounds. :thumb:

james

Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Baroque on 31 Dec 2016, 03:34 pm
Hi Mag, very happy for you, have you try both output? XLR and RCA...I need more details...Please!

Thanks...I like your music choice! 8)

Steve
Gatineau/Ottawa
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Mag on 31 Dec 2016, 06:08 pm
Hi Mag, very happy for you, have you try both output? XLR and RCA...I need more details...Please!

Thanks...I like your music choice! 8)

Steve
Gatineau/Ottawa

Using Straight Wire Chorus II RCA cables to Bryston SP2, 2 ch by-pass to Yamaha MG 10 mixer, gain +40 position, treble +2, mids +2, bass +2, Peak level 4, master volume 9, to Bryston 2-3B sst/2 amps, 1 volt, balanced, to Model T passives and Paradigm Studio 100 v2 for 4 channel stereo.

Could go straight to mixer but this option gives me remote volume control. SP2 doesn't have balanced inputs.
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Baroque on 31 Dec 2016, 07:19 pm
Thanks, for this info...I will try both output (BP26) went I will received my BCD-3.

Enjoy it and Happy new year!  8)

Steve
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Siltech on 1 Jan 2017, 02:22 am
https://youtu.be/vVq6F96VP_Y
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Vaprak001 on 1 Jan 2017, 08:39 am
Happy New Year All!

James, the website shows a black BCD-3 with blue display and LED's. If I ordered green LED's the display would be the traditional Bryston green colour too, right?
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 1 Jan 2017, 11:36 am
Happy New Year All!

James, the website shows a black BCD-3 with blue display and LED's. If I ordered green LED's the display would be the traditional Bryston green colour too, right?

Hi

Correct - green display and power LED.

james
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Siltech on 1 Jan 2017, 03:05 pm
@ James, please answer.  Why can't this BLUE display look like other companies blue display, or at least close. It's advertised blue, but looks Aqua, and in dark room looks practically green. The look isn't even close to other companies blue display. I googled and went back in this forum and found several people complaining about this. I'm talking about over the last several years. Why can't Bryston do same blue colour display, or at least a lot closer too other companies. Once again, colour looks hideaus, against other audio manufacture gear. If you like, I can paste on here, many with same guestions from this site again. Why, because my new BCD-3 does this, when I ordered blue. CRAZYIEST COLOUR.  Not Blue

Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 1 Jan 2017, 03:19 pm
@ James, please answer.  Why can't this BLUE display look like other companies blue display, or at least close. It's advertised blue, but looks Aqua, and in dark room looks practically green. The look isn't even close to other companies blue display. I googled and went back in this forum and found several people complaining about this. I'm talking about over the last several years. Why can't Bryston do same blue colour display, or at least a lot closer too other companies. Once again, colour looks hideaus, against other audio manufacture gear. If you like, I can paste on here, many with same guestions from this site again. Why, because my new BCD-3 does this, when I ordered blue. CRAZYIEST COLOUR.  Not Blue

Yes the display comes with a set colour so there is really nothing we can do about the shade of blue but I agree it is more of an aqua blue than a standard blue. 

I think 'hideous' is a little strong but to each his own I guess.

james

Heres a pic of the blue:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=155674)

Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Siltech on 1 Jan 2017, 03:27 pm
Thanks, for your prompt answer, and HAPPY NEW YEARS. This unit does sound GREAT.
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 1 Jan 2017, 03:30 pm
Thanks, for your prompt answer, and HAPPY NEW YEARS. This unit does sound GREAT.

Happy New Year to you as well and so far of the 12 units we have out there I have heard back from 10 owners (and one reviewer) and they all report "superb sound quality"  :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: - which was my goal - redbook CD playback at its best.

james
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: PierreB on 1 Jan 2017, 03:33 pm
M.Tanner, you're a gentlemen. Happy New Year and I hope to see you in march at the Salon du Son in Montreal ( if we have one  :scratch:)
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Siltech on 1 Jan 2017, 03:51 pm
@James
No disrespect. The blue display your showing on the black BCD-3 looks great. I'm not messing with you, but mine is not even close to that colour. The one you show was what I thought I would get. Is it possible my filter or something isn't correct. I don't see any hint of green in yours. Mine looks totally different than your blue. If yours is true colour, what should I do? Should I have my dealer send in in too Bryston?
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=155675)
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Siltech on 1 Jan 2017, 03:56 pm
James.   Here is the display on BCD-3 blue that you show.
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Siltech on 1 Jan 2017, 03:57 pm

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=155676)
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 1 Jan 2017, 04:48 pm
@James
No disrespect. The blue display your showing on the black BCD-3 looks great. I'm not messing with you, but mine is not even close to that colour. The one you show was what I thought I would get. Is it possible my filter or something isn't correct. I don't see any hint of green in yours. Mine looks totally different than your blue. If yours is true colour, what should I do? Should I have my dealer send in in too Bryston?
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=155675)

Hi Silteck

That looks correct - I think the picture I have was an earlier version of the display and we found the life span on that unit was questionable.  I will ask engineering though to make sure.

james
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 1 Jan 2017, 04:49 pm
M.Tanner, you're a gentlemen. Happy New Year and I hope to see you in march at the Salon du Son in Montreal ( if we have one  :scratch:)

Happy New year to you as well - I have been told there will be a Montreal show.

james
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 1 Jan 2017, 05:23 pm
Happy New Year to you, Mr. T.

The BCD-3 looks gorgeous, imo, regardless of LED colorings. I look forward to following further advances in audio reproduction from your group. Especially with the amps.



Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: alexone on 1 Jan 2017, 05:43 pm

...yes, being a proud owner of the BCD-1 i have to admit that the BCD-3 looks absolutely sexy :inlove:

al.

Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: AG on 2 Jan 2017, 01:28 pm
Going back to the original question I think it is hard to justify to purchase a premium priced CD player in the age of digital file players especially in the shadow of Bryston's gorgeous BDPs and BDAs.
On the other hand I would love to trade in my 5 year old Krell  for this beauty  :green:
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 2 Jan 2017, 03:00 pm
Going back to the original question I think it is hard to justify to purchase a premium priced CD player in the age of digital file players especially in the shadow of Bryston's gorgeous BDPs and BDAs.
On the other hand I would love to trade in my 5 year old Krell  for this beauty  :green:

Hi AG

Its an interesting question but so far the feedback I am getting from our customers:

1. A number of customers like the simplicity of a CD player
2. A lot of people have a multitude of CD's in their library and ripping is a term that is foreign to them
3. Computers seem overly complicated and the learning curve appears to be troublesome for some.
4. This may be their last CD player and they want quality but they do not want to spend 8-10K for a player

Anyway the initial demand is way beyond my expectation and it will be interesting to see if the sale continue longterm.  The CD player was a 'secret' project of mine within the company  as no one else wanted to do it) but so far I'm looking good. :icon_lol:

james

PS - Forgot:

5. It sounds GREAT :thumb:
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: AG on 2 Jan 2017, 03:14 pm
I have no doubt it is an exceptional CD player James, congratulations on the high sales and keep up the with the  quality work.

Any reviews yet?
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 2 Jan 2017, 03:20 pm
I have no doubt it is an exceptional CD player James, congratulations on the high sales and keep up the with the  quality work.

Any reviews yet?

HI

Have one review in the works and surprisingly have had requests from over 5 major magazines to do a review  :thumb:

james
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 3 Jan 2017, 08:56 pm
Hi Folks

Just an update on the CD Player remote.

There are 3 ways to use a remote with our new CD Player.

1. Use the current BR2 remote which many Bryston customers have already and we did not want to add that further cost to the CD Player.

2. Use the Bryston GUI on their IPHONE or IPAD etc.

3. Download the codes if you have a Logitech remote already.

James

We are still looking into the possiblility of a cheap plastic remote as well.

Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 5 Jan 2017, 05:10 pm

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=155917)
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 5 Jan 2017, 11:02 pm
Hi Folks,

SNEAK PEEK:

First professional review on the Bryston BCD-3 CD Player coming soon.

Got this note today from the reviewer:

The Bryston BCD-3 CD Player is the state of the art, as far as I am concerned.

I have a history in house with many well known exalted players and I can tell you price is meaningless.

This is a home run.

Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Siltech on 10 Jan 2017, 11:26 pm
My Bryston dealer contacted me last week, and said Bryston sent them a email regarding remote control. The email said I can buy the Bryston BR2 remote in black or silver for $150.00  I called dealer and ordered a black BR2 remote, and went today and picked it up. I'm assuming everyone with a new BCD-3 can do the same.
My new remote still in the bubble wrap.   Siltech

Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Siltech on 10 Jan 2017, 11:35 pm
New Remote BR2 from Brystn in bubble wrap.


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=156192)
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Siltech on 11 Jan 2017, 04:56 am
Check out below link on just released Bryston BCD-3 review.
http://www.avrev.com/home-theater-audio-sources/cd-players/bryston-bcd-3-cd-player-review-3.html
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Siltech on 11 Jan 2017, 05:18 am
Above link starts at page 3 of review. Check below link, starts at beginning of review.

http://www.avrev.com/equipment-reviews/equipment+reviews/home+theater+audio+sources.html
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 11 Jan 2017, 07:49 am
Hi Folks,
 
First out of the gate – review on our new Bryston BCD-3 CD Player.
 
http://www.avrev.com/home-theater-audio-sources/cd-players/bryston-bcd-3-cd-player-review.html
 
james
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 11 Jan 2017, 11:28 am
The thing I like most about reviews are the albums that were used -- I almost always end up expanding my CD library after reading them, and this one is no exception!  :thumb:
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Dloines on 11 Jan 2017, 04:36 pm
The thing I like most about reviews are the albums that were used -- I almost always end up expanding my CD library after reading them, and this one is no exception!  :thumb:

same here :lol:
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Siltech on 13 Jan 2017, 03:12 am
@James T
The review link a couple of days ago you send says Bryston BCD-3 warranty is 5 years. Also, article from Home Theatre review.com on Dec22-2016 say Bryston warranty on BCD-3 is 5 years. I'm confused, is warranty 3 or 5 years. Thank you
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 13 Jan 2017, 11:30 am
@James T
The review link a couple of days ago you send says Bryston BCD-3 warranty is 5 years. Also, article from Home Theatre review.com on Dec22-2016 say Bryston warranty on BCD-3 is 5 years. I'm confused, is warranty 3 or 5 years. Thank you

Hi,

Its 3 years - In the past we have stated that the warranty is 3 years for anything with moving parts but I think some people (reviewer) think its 5 years because of the fact it is a digital product which do have 5 year warrantees.

james
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Baroque on 14 Jan 2017, 04:20 am
Hi, I received my CD player five days ago and a review that is difficult to put into general audiophile terminology.

Very large soundstage, timbre, pace and tonal accuracy. However, this unit is simply musical. I put in my favorite CDs and forget about what I am supposed to hear and enjoy the music.

There is not the in-your-face detail as I experienced with my OPPO 105 but a very truthful and musical experience.

Whit my new BCD-3 my system came to life, both output RCA and XLR sound great. I have upgade the power cord and 1 fuses for now (need 2 fuses 1A 5x20 SB inside) with very nice result, more relaxe and full... Last 30 years I add: Denon 1520, CAL Icon 2, CJ, YBA, AR, Rega Saturn and more before and this Bryston is the most truthful and musical to my ears.

Now, let's play the music! Thanks Bryston!  :thumb:

Steve
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 14 Jan 2017, 11:00 am
Hi, I received my CD player five days ago and a review that is difficult to put into general audiophile terminology.

Very large soundstage, timbre, pace and tonal accuracy. However, this unit is simply musical. I put in my favorite CDs and forget about what I am supposed to hear and enjoy the music.

There is not the in-your-face detail as I experienced with my OPPO 105 but a very truthful and musical experience.

Whit my new BCD-3 my system came to life, both output RCA and XLR sound great. I have upgade the power cord and 1 fuses for now (need 2 fuses 1A 5x20 SB inside) with very nice result, more relaxe and full... Last 30 years I add: Denon 1520, CAL Icon 2, CJ, YBA, AR, Rega Saturn and more before and this Bryston is the most truthful and musical to my ears.

Now, let's play the music! Thanks Bryston!  :thumb:

Steve

Well thank you Steve - I have said this before but there is just 'something right' about the way the BCD-3 CD Player presents music  :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:

ENJOY!

james
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Siltech on 14 Jan 2017, 05:22 pm
@Baroque
What fuse upgrade did you put in? Did you use HIFI-Tuning fuse? (It so, what model ).
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Baroque on 14 Jan 2017, 07:31 pm
Hi, I put in a Gold schurter, old fuse that I used in my Primaluna Dialogue 2...

I have orders 2 Furetech fuses from my sellers but for now it's just more gravy...

My SACD hybride are better in the Bryston vs the OPPO I didn't expect that.

My XLR cable  (Audioquest Water) is a really good match too... 8)

Steve



Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Siltech on 14 Jan 2017, 08:10 pm
Better Dacs, and player = Better sound, regardless of hybrid sacd disc. Enjoy Steve.
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Siltech on 25 Jan 2017, 12:56 pm
Anymore reviews coming?
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 25 Jan 2017, 01:32 pm
Anymore reviews coming?

Not a review, but may help you deal with your condition:

http://hifi-opinions.com/en/audiophilia-nervosa-2/

 :lol: :green:
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 25 Jan 2017, 02:06 pm
Not a review, but may help you deal with your condition:

http://hifi-opinions.com/en/audiophilia-nervosa-2/

 :lol: :green:

i think I better close the doors Maestro - looks like with this logic there is no point to try and build or improve beyond the status quo !

james
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Dloines on 25 Jan 2017, 02:43 pm
good article and funny-read, I think a lot of that logic basically applies to all hobbies.  But what I like about this hobby and with most good audio equipment is it does last a really long time, it does sound much better than the average system,  you can share it with other people, you can use if everyday if you like and it doesn't cost you a penny other than electricity, and seems to be fairly easy to trade and sell when needed....
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Siltech on 25 Jan 2017, 02:44 pm
CANADIAN  m.  Look in your own back yard,  IDIOT.
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 25 Jan 2017, 03:14 pm
CANADIAN  m.  Look in your own back yard,  IDIOT.

Ever hear of GOOGLE SEARCH, moron?
(there...I said it....)
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: OTM on 25 Jan 2017, 10:44 pm
Gentleman, Gentlemen .....
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: zoom25 on 25 Jan 2017, 11:20 pm
Relax guys...

Enjoy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONkGvz77tYQ

 :thumb:
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: PierreB on 25 Jan 2017, 11:31 pm

http://hifi-opinions.com/en/audiophilia-nervosa-2/

 :lol: :green:

I read the article and I must admit that at some point I have the " audiophilia nervosa"  :oops: . You know when you think that this X interconnect might be better than your Y interconnect or if I move my left speaker one inch more near the rear wall, etc....
Like your article said, listen to the music and forget the setup. I will try this recommandation. It's just an hobby. And a great one.  :thumb:

Pierre
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 26 Jan 2017, 01:18 am
I read the article and I must admit that at some point I have the " audiophilia nervosa"  :oops: . You know when you think that this X interconnect might be better than your Y interconnect or if I move my left speaker one inch more near the rear wall, etc....
Like your article said, listen to the music and forget the setup. I will try this recommandation. It's just an hobby. And a great one.  :thumb:

Pierre

Oui, c'est vraiment.

We all have A.N. to varying degrees. If there's a chronic condition to have, it's A.N.
 :thumb:
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Mag on 27 Jan 2017, 01:36 am
Okay I've listened to my BCD-3 for 4 weeks now as of tomorrow.

IMO with good recording mixes that I'm familiar, the transparency with the BCD-3 exceeds that of my BDP-1, BDA-1,SP-2 combo significantly. So I haven't even fired up my BDP-1 and BDA-1 since I got it. Still use the SP-2 but in bypass mode with the BCD-3 at above average Spl of approx. 92 to 95 decibels 100 decibels 'C' weighted. :smoke:
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 27 Jan 2017, 11:54 am
Okay I've listened to my BCD-3 for 4 weeks now as of tomorrow.

IMO with good recording mixes that I'm familiar, the transparency with the BCD-3 exceeds that of my BDP-1, BDA-1,SP-2 combo significantly. So I haven't even fired up my BDP-1 and BDA-1 since I got it. Still use the SP-2 but in bypass mode with the BCD-3 at above average Spl of approx. 92 to 95 decibels 100 decibels 'C' weighted. :smoke:

Hi Mag

Yes I am a little surprised at how well the CD Player is sounding - you can always assume good measurements means good sound but there is just something special about what the BCD-1 CD Player is doing sonically.  :thumb:

james
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: maligue on 3 Feb 2017, 08:32 pm
Does the remote for the BCD-1 work with the BCD-3?
Thanks in advance for any input!

e
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 3 Feb 2017, 08:46 pm
Does the remote for the BCD-1 work with the BCD-3?
Thanks in advance for any input!

e

Hi

Yes it will.

james
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: maligue on 4 Feb 2017, 11:17 am
Thank you James!
I have been trying to open the Manual for the player on your website, but receive 'Forbidden, don't have access', etc.
Has this something to do with my being in Europe?
I would like to know what the output voltage of the player is? I am using a passive preamp with a resistor calibrated for a player with 500mV pk-pk output. Would i be running into compatibility difficulties were I to move to the BCD-3?

Your help would be much appreciated

edward
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 4 Feb 2017, 11:28 am
Thank you James!
I have been trying to open the Manual for the player on your website, but receive 'Forbidden, don't have access', etc.
Has this something to do with my being in Europe?
I would like to know what the output voltage of the player is? I am using a passive preamp with a resistor calibrated for a player with 500mV pk-pk output. Would i be running into compatibility difficulties were I to move to the BCD-3?

Your help would be much appreciated

edward

Hi Edvard

2 Volts Max on the RCA out and 4 Volts on the Balanced output.

james
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Barstow on 6 Feb 2017, 05:55 pm
Hi everyone, The BCD 3 is just what I'm looking for , James Tanner I think Bryston made a good decision to cater to people like myself that's not really interested too much with downloading and storing their music .
 I'm really looking forward to the BCD 3 and will have one soon ,
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 5 Apr 2017, 09:44 am
BCD-3 First Impressions

I installed a new BCD-3 into my system today. It's only been running a few hours so if these players need to break-in, mine has not. I have two other CD players in my system that I am comparing it to. One is a Sony 5400ES CD/SACD player and the other is a 20 year old Meridian 508.24. Out of the box this player is impressing me. Compared to the Sony it seems to have a bit more detail and more lively sound. Compared to the Meridian it is a bit more open and less of a lush sound. The most immediately noticeable difference with a couple a familiar "bass reference" recordings is that the Bryston has a leaner bass than both the Sony and the Meridian. It will be interesting to hear if this changes over time. The bass quality of the BCD-3 was welcomed on the opening cut of Melody Gardot's album The Currency of Man. This song has some bass that in parts have sounded overpowering...even with the built in subwoofers on my Vandersteen Quatro CTs. Played on the Bryston the bass was a little less present and without the boom I have experienced with my other players (especially the Meridian).

The bass was solid with the BCD and never obscured the midrange. The quality of the BCD's bass definitely improved the listening experience of the album. The next bass "test" cut is "Hotel California" from the Eagles Hell Freezes over CD. On this cut the leaner nature of the BCD slightly diminished the impact of that deep drum beat on the intro. Again, the bass was there...just a little more subdued. I will be curious to hear this changes at all over the next couple of weeks. Perhaps because of the somewhat leaner bass, the midrange seems to be clearer and more open than on any of the other two players. This lively separation of instruments has added a bit of life to the presentation that I didn't realize I was missing.

I will report again as the unit continues to break-in. A point of reference I find interesting is that my Meridian player is ancient in terms of digital age and my Sony is getting a bit long in the tooth. Both were considered fairly representative of the state of digital technology for their time (Not necessarily State of the Art)...but both were well regarded. I am hearing a engaging quality in the Bryston that I never heard upon first hearing my other players. I am really enjoying the first few hours of this player.

Randyhat 
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 16 May 2017, 10:26 am
Hi Folks,

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=162364)

Sneak Peak:

Terrific review on the Bryston BCD-3 CD player coming in the August issue of Stereophile.

james
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 8 Jun 2017, 05:51 pm
Dear James,

The Bryston BCD-3 CD Player arrived:

I have to add here that, after playing my "test/demo" disc for about 12 minutes, the BCD-3 is impressing me as no other CD player has done, even after hundreds of hours of burn-in.

And among those I've auditioned was one whose list price actually exceeded $20,000.

I can hardly believe what I've been hearing in the last couple of hours.

I haven't begun to list the unexpected benefits.

Cheers,
Richard F.

Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 14 Jun 2017, 03:09 pm
I am very much into file based playback, but because I still borrow CDs and buy them, having a BCD-3 has been a joy.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=163899)

Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: WillyP on 14 Jun 2017, 06:51 pm
Hi all,

Has anyone compared the Bryston BCD-3 with a Moon CD player?

Kind regards,

WillyP
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 23 Jun 2017, 04:23 pm
Hi Folks,

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=162364)

Sneak Peak:

Terrific review on the Bryston BCD-3 CD player coming in the August issue of Stereophile.

Here's my 2 favourite quotes from the review:

"This Bryston CD player’s measured performance reveals superb audio engineering."

"I came to regard it as that rarity of rarities: a high-end CD player without apparent flaw."


james

Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 6 Jul 2017, 02:17 am
I hear the Stereophile August issue is out with the review of the new Bryston CD player.

Will try to get a PDF of the review.

James
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 6 Jul 2017, 07:05 pm
https://www.facebook.com/BrystonLtd/photos/rpp.104243699609054/1577118645654878/?type=3&theater
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: WillyP on 9 Jul 2017, 12:04 pm
I have read the review of the BCD-3 in the August issue of Stereophile and it is very positive indeed. I just keep asking myself, what is the secret of the BCD-3? My current CD player is three times as expensive and four times as heavy and I always have thought not without reason. It would be interesting to compare these two.

BTW, my CD player has (four) digital inputs and it is really nice to have them.

Kind regards,

Willy
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 9 Jul 2017, 03:47 pm
I have read the review of the BCD-3 in the August issue of Stereophile and it is very positive indeed. I just keep asking myself, what is the secret of the BCD-3? My current CD player is three times as expensive and four times as heavy and I always have thought not without reason. It would be interesting to compare these two.

BTW, my CD player has (four) digital inputs and it is really nice to have them.

Kind regards,

Willy

Hi Willy

The reason we do not offer digital inputs is we wanted to optimize CD Redbook playback. The CD is 44.1 / 16Bit and the BDA3 is optimized for that by clocking the DAC directly to the drive.

Once you add digital inputs the circuitry has to change to allow those inputs to recognized what type of bit stream is coming in and reclock it etc. and that compromises the accuracy of the Redbook CD playback.

james



Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 10 Jul 2017, 05:02 pm
Hi Folks,

I have the PDF of the review - email me if you want a copy.

jamestanner@bryston.com

james
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: apoid1 on 11 Jul 2017, 03:56 am

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=165298)
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 11 Jul 2017, 04:06 pm
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston BCD-3 Stereophile Review

July, 2017


HI Folks,

Excellent review on the new Brytson BCD-3 CD Player from the August 2017 Stereophile Magazine.

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=165315)

Here's my 2 favourite   quotes from the review:


•   "This Bryston CD player’s measured performance reveals superb audio engineering."

•   "I came to regard it as that rarity of rarities: a high-end CD player without apparent flaw."


(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=165316)


Full Review Link:

http://www.bryston.com/PDF/reviews/2017_07_Review_Stereophile_BCD-3.pdf
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Mag on 12 Jul 2017, 02:10 am
Good review. IMO I believe that the BCD-3 is the best source on the market. I say that because when I heard the all Bryston Active speaker demo, my all Bryston system still sounds slightly better. The only variable that I can credit this to is the BCD-3 vs BDP-3 & BDA-3 combo, using my own mixed music that I am familiar.

So what I am saying is you can take a wav file played through the BDP-3 & BDA-3 combo and that same track if you transfer it to CD-R will sound better with the BCD-3. :smoke:
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Elizabeth on 12 Jul 2017, 02:36 am
Hi Willy

The reason we do not offer digital inputs is we wanted to optimize CD Redbook playback. The CD is 44.1 / 16Bit and the BDA3 is optimized for that by clocking the DAC directly to the drive.

Once you add digital inputs the circuitry has to change to allow those inputs to recognized what type of bit stream is coming in and reclock it etc. and that compromises the accuracy of the Redbook CD playback.

james

I was going to ask about this also, but you saved me the trouble of asking it.
Thanks.
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 12 Jul 2017, 10:22 am
Apart from the quality aspect of the BCD playback (which is tops imo), having digi inputs on it would likely cut into sales of the excellent BDA-x as a standalone DAC.
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: AndrewA on 12 Jul 2017, 12:44 pm
Hi James: just wondering.  Has Bryston instituted any kind of trade-in/trade-up policy for original owners of the BCD-1?  Thanks.
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 12 Jul 2017, 01:18 pm
Hi James: just wondering.  Has Bryston instituted any kind of trade-in/trade-up policy for original owners of the BCD-1?  Thanks.

Nothing official but if the BCD 1 can not be fixed we will work something out towards a BDC-3.

james
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 28 Aug 2017, 04:41 pm
HI Folks,

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=167683)

Terrific review due out September 15th from Soundstage Magazine on the Bryston BCD-3 CD Player.

Some really nice photos of the BCD-3 - this one of the innerds:

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=167684)

james

Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 15 Sep 2017, 10:04 am
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston Review BCD-3 CD Player

September, 2017

Hi Folks,

Please see link below – Terrific Review on the new Bryston BCD-3 CD Player.
There's life still in the old CD’s!

james

http://www.soundstagehifi.com/index.php/equipment-reviews/1096-bryston-bcd-3-cd-player
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 15 Sep 2017, 12:06 pm
That's a meticulous review by Philip -- congrats to Bryston.

Interestingly, like this BCD-3 review, I've compared my BCD-1 alone with it hooked to my BDA-1, as transport. I have a hell of a time hearing differences on my best CDs in my system. For me, that's good news -- I can use BCD-1 as it was intended -- a stand-alone CDP (and a superb one), and thereby remove an extra conversion step (and cable) in the audio chain.

Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Marius on 15 Sep 2017, 01:48 pm
That's a meticulous review by Philip -- congrats to Bryston.

Interestingly, like this BCD-3 review, I've compared my BCD-1 alone with it hooked to my BDA-1, as transport. I have a hell of a time hearing differences on my best CDs in my system. For me, that's good news -- I can use BCD-1 as it was intended -- a stand-alone CDP (and a superb one), and thereby remove an extra conversion step (and cable) in the audio chain.


+1. Still, if no difference is heard, no issue hooking it up to the BDA and freeing a balanced input on the BP26 ;-)


Do feel the black 'BCD-3 CD Player' logo should have been positioned top left. Seems really naked now, especially compared with the other devices in the setup...


 (http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=168506)
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 15 Sep 2017, 01:59 pm

+1. Still, if no difference is heard, no issue hooking it up to the BDA and freeing a balanced input on the BP26 ;-)


Do feel the black 'BCD-3 CD Player' logo should have been positioned top left. Seems really naked now, especially compared with the other devices in the setup...


Yes, the text should go there, for symmetry with the other Bryston source gear. "Redbook CD Player BCD-3".


How many bal inputs are there in BP26?
My ARC LS27 has loads -- SE too. Plus two pairs bal outputs, soI can easily switch bal cabling at my power amp, for comps.
 :thumb:



Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Marius on 15 Sep 2017, 02:05 pm
Yes, the text should go there, for symmetry with the other Bryston source gear. "Redbook CD Player BCD-3".


How many bal inputs are there in BP26?
My ARC LS27 has loads -- SE too. Plus two pairs bal outputs, soI can easily switch bal cabling at my power amp, for comps.
 :thumb:

2 on the BP26.
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 15 Sep 2017, 02:26 pm
2 on the BP26.

Can it have an AES if DAC option inside?
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 15 Sep 2017, 03:03 pm
Can it have an AES if DAC option inside?

Sorry no way to offer AES on the current DAC in the BP26

james
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 19 Oct 2017, 02:34 pm
Hi Bryston

Just purchased last week. I now have 1200 new CDs to listen too.

Absolutely astounded by this product.

Thank you.
Mike
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 5 Nov 2017, 03:44 pm
Hi James,

The BCD3 sounds stunning...I never knew how good redbood CD actually sounds !

With the BCD, I dont miss SACD or any of the other formats we had along the way...

Cheers
Tom

Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Pundamilia on 5 Dec 2017, 09:43 pm
Does the BCD-3 have the same 37-track limitation on a single CD that the BCD-1 does?
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 5 Dec 2017, 10:50 pm
Does the BCD-3 have the same 37-track limitation on a single CD that the BCD-1 does?

Hi

No problem there - that was a Phillips drive issue.

james
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 17 Jan 2018, 06:21 pm
http://www.hifi-advice.com/blog/review/digital-reviews/cd-player-reviews/bryston-bcd-3-cd-player/
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 12 Apr 2018, 08:59 am
MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Review From Malaysia

April 2018

Bryston BCD-3 – keeping CD alive and relevant

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=178711)

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=178710)


BRYSTON BCD-3 CD player

It’s 2018, and yes, we’re still with the CD format. Just as there are probably trillions of LPs out there waiting/needing to be played (and hence ensuring vinyl’s continued existence despite predictions of its demise as far back as the early 1990s), music lovers and audiophiles have billions of CDs in circulation that will keep the silver disc alive for a while longer. In fact, there is a signification swathe of audiophiles who prefer the completely hassle-free nature of CD playback, shunning vinyl (for its finicky nature) and today’s trend in streamers (for the perceived complexity).

Apart from vinyl, I have music stored in computers, network-attached storage and a hard disk player, yet, a good portion of my listening is reliant on CD playback. It’s convenient and my collection has been built over three decades. While my Sony HAP-Z1ES is increasingly taking up a fair share of my time, I often use the CD player as a reference. And honestly, there’s just more physical involvement than streaming music.

Getting to the point, which is CD playback… the Bryston BCD-3 CD player. We haven’t reviewed a CD player on this website for more than three years. Vinyl and USB DACs have been getting all the attention, but I was curious about the level of progress made in CD playback in recent times. My stalwart Ayon CD-1S a few years old… and something inside was nudging me to browse and hear what today’s technology had to offer.

The BCD-3 caught my attention because, as Bryston states, “universal disc players can play back CDs but certainly won’t resolve the full dynamic range and nuance the medium is capable of; they inherently compromise CD playback to support additional formats.”

The BCD-3, Bryston emphasises, “was engineered explicitly for the purpose of making your Redbook CDs sound amazing.” As you may have guessed, it plays only Redbook CD, and has both XLR and RCA analogue outputs, along with a coaxial (S/PDIF) and AES/EBU XLR output each, should you want to link it to an outboard DAC. The Ethernet and USB-A outputs you see on the rear panel are merely for control purposes.

The Bryston remote handset, the BR2, is an expensive option, but you can use a third-party universal remote. Or hook the player up, via the Ethernet port, to your home network and you can use a smart phone app to control the CD player. The BCD-3, which is available in black or silver faceplates (and with 2U rack-mount option), measures 432 x 85 x 293mm ((w/h/d) with its standard fascia. There’s a longer faceplate available which adds about 50mm to the width.

I took a unit back, ready to be amazed…

SETTING UP
CD players are simply plug-and-play, and this is no different. The decision is whether you want to use the RCA or XLR outputs. I can’t say I found any discernible difference in performance between both, but if you’re using long lengths of interconnects, it is advisable to opt for the balanced outputs.

On powering up, the BCD-3 initialises for a brief second and is ready to accept a disc. The green display is a bit retro and I found it a refreshing visual change.

The sliding tray for the transport is reinforced with slim metal bars at either side, and feels more reassuring than those on cheaper players. The display is a bit bright but can be controlled… but since I operated the player sans remote, I had to make do with the display screen at its brightest always.

LISTENING
Since this was a demo unit, it had already seen some action and didn’t require me to waste too much electricity running it in over weeks. The reference, of course, was my tube-equipped Ayon CD-1s, which has been in my system for more than half-a-dozen years. While I was not expecting to be blown away (let’s not beat around the issue, the Bryston isn’t priced in the stratospheric range, if it were, my expectations would have been sky-high), what quickly drew me to the BCD-3’s performance was its poise and control. If you think CD’s sound is dated and high-res is the way to go, well, the BCD-3 pulls off a few new tricks in the Red Book range.

There’s well defined deep bass (as much as my speakers/room will give me) and there’s the same level of definition and clarity across the reproduced audible frequency spectrum – natural and smooth, and no “warm-ish” glow in the mids or highs, unlike the Ayon. The BCD-3 is clear in its brief of delivering exactly what is on the CD – no additions or omissions, you get the details, warts and roses, ie, whatever has been laid down on the recording.

It had a superior grasp of spatial information, as in the space around each instrument and voices, than the Ayon, and no colouring of timbre or tone. Lest you think it may be leaning towards a sterile or clinical approach, this is not the case – it shows up the nature of the recordings in all its glory (or not), so you can lay the blame on the recording/mastering process if some music reproduced is cooler in energy or vibrancy. If there’s a whole lot of pizzazz in the performance, the BCD-3 lets you hear it.

Among my regular reference CDs for assessing a system are Dire Straits’ eponymous debut album, Diana Krall’s Love Scenes and a test disc called Dynamic Experience containing some challenging bass, drums and blues tracks (Victor Wooten, Jim Keltner and Stevie Ray Vaughan respectively) and on these, I found the BCD-3 pulling ahead in some areas, revealing certain nuances better than the Ayon, while never fazed by hard-hitting kick drums or the biting knife’s edge tonal texture of a Fender Stratocaster electric guitar.

Some CD players can give you all these, but sound a tad too relaxed or laidback… not the BCD-3. It conveys the inherent excitement or aggression without going over the top and risk sounding in-your-face or brash. Listening to jazz recordings was sheer pleasure, the player conveying the ambience and mood with a cool and comfortable ease that made you forget you were sitting in your listening room.

While the Ayon has a more forward and bolder presentation, the BCD-3 is more balanced in the depth of its stage, drawing the listener in especially with the better recordings. It also had a wider stage, and this allowed a smoother fleshing out of detail, with the darker backdrop exposing nuances to a greater degree.

THE LAST WORD
There’s really no reason not to recommend this CD player… if you’re in the market for one at this price. Yes, I do feel Bryston has painted itself into a bit of a corner by delivering a purist player like the BCD-3… at the price, there would be expectations of a digital input – at least a USB one – to allow external media to be played, too. However, this would have meant needing DSD compatibility, at the least. My guess is that since Bryston already has other digital player/DAC options in its range, the company didn’t want to cannibalise that market by making the BCD-3 more versatile and “beyond” Red Book.

That said and done, this is a very fine CD playback machine that will ensure its owner years of fine musical enjoyment, and is an especially great investment of you have a vast collection of CDs and don’t see yourself parting with the format anytime in the near future. The only reason I didn’t put my money down on it was that my current player works just fine. If yours doesn’t and/or you’re looking to upgrade or put together an impressive high-end CD-based system, the Bryston BCD-3 is a great proposition.

PLUS: Sonically captivating, with a detailed and solid presentation; impressive build quality; gets to the heart of the recording in the right system; very honest.

MINUS: Nothing much other than my grouse that the Bryston remote is a costly option (important if you don’t like using apps or independent units).

Performance: 9/10
Value: 8/10


Gear
Sources: Ayon Audio CD-1s CD player, Sony HAP-Z1ES HDD audio player, VPI Classic Signature turntable-3D tonearm/Soundsmith Zephyr MIMC cartridge/VPI ADS power supply / Amplification: Vitus RI-100 integrated, Audio Flight Phono, Crayon Audio CIA-1 / Speakers: Spatial Audio M3 Turbo S / Wires: Paul Speltz Anti-Cables speaker cable, interconnects and power cords, Nordost Red Dawn interconnects and power cords, Purist Audio interconnect s / Supply: AVIA balanced power transformers, Frank Acoustics PB15000 power bank storage.
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: AndrewA on 12 Apr 2018, 04:00 pm
Do the units currently available in the US come with a blue or green display, or can one specify?
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 12 Apr 2018, 04:48 pm
Do the units currently available in the US come with a blue or green display, or can one specify?

Hi Andrew

Stock is Green but you can custom order Blue.

james
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: edlchiang62 on 18 Jun 2018, 08:35 pm
Mr. Tanner, I want to make sure that if I purchase a BCD-3 CD player that I can purchase one or two extra drives and I can purchase the BR2 remote at a discounted price?  I had read that in previous posts
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 18 Jun 2018, 09:46 pm
Hi

Sure,

Just contact us with the serial number of the CD Player you purchase and we can arrange for extra drives.

james

Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 11 Sep 2018, 04:24 pm
Hi Folks,

There will be a review on the Bryston BCD-3 CD Player in the December issue of Absolute Sound Magazine. :thumb:

james
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Joe Frances on 11 Sep 2018, 06:12 pm
Hi Folks,

There will be a review on the Bryston BCD-3 CD Player in the December issue of Absolute Sound Magazine. :thumb:

james

I gather you know it's going to be good; and I am glad about that.  It is a heck of a product.  I am just waiting for my also excellent Copeland CD player from 1997 to "go" to get the BCD 3.   I am not a buy and switch guy; I am sentimental about the equipment that has served me well.  The Cope is starting to make some tick-tick-ticking noises on some discs that worry me. It may be soon.

Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: sweetspot on 28 Sep 2018, 04:41 pm
James, I have heard that the BR-2 remote is not being offered at a discount anymore with the purchase of a BCD-3 cd player. Is this true?
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 28 Sep 2018, 06:18 pm
James, I have heard that the BR-2 remote is not being offered at a discount anymore with the purchase of a BCD-3 cd player. Is this true?

Hi

Yes true - it was a promotion we ran for the first 100 units sold.

The BR2 is a very expensive remote to manufacture so we need a cheaper plastic unit at some point for the CD Player.

james

Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 12 Nov 2018, 12:58 pm
Hi Folks,

Please see the attached PDF on a review of the Bryston BCD-3 CD Player - please make note of the Lab tests!


Favorite Quote:

"I am fairly certain that those are the best results Newport Test Labs has ever recorded for a CD player."


http://www.bryston.com/PDF/reviews/2018_11_Review_AHF_BCD-3.pdf
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 12 Nov 2018, 01:00 pm
How many CD players has Newport tested?
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 12 Nov 2018, 01:07 pm
How many CD players has Newport tested?

Hundreds according to the Australian distributor.

james
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 12 Nov 2018, 01:10 pm
 :thumb: :thumb:

Any plans for another BCD?
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 12 Nov 2018, 01:18 pm
:thumb: :thumb:

Any plans for another BCD?

Hi

I do not think so - the BCD-3 has sold well and I think most people feel it will be the last CD Player they buy -  but time will tell I guess.

james
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 18 Nov 2018, 01:37 pm
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=186969)


MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston BCD-3 CD Player Review - Absolute Sound

November 2018

“I began this review process wondering if a player like the BCD-3 is even relevant in today’s digital world. I discovered, to my surprise, that it is. 

My next discovery was just how good the BCD-3 sounds, and how much of an improvement it represents over even excellent last-generation CD players.

Then, the Bryston went toe-to-toe with one of the best CD players available—without embarrassing itself in the least. Lastly, I discovered that the BCD-3’s upgrade path, which consists of turning itself into a transport to work with future or more expensive DACs, really works.

Put this together and you really do have what could be your last CD player. The BCD-3’s single-minded design and functionality delivers CD performance that doesn’t come along every day. And, as we’ve seen with the BCD-1, there’s no guarantee such a player will be here tomorrow. If I were choosing a CD player that wouldn’t break the bank but was unflinching in its musical and sonic generosity, the BCD-3 would be at the top of my list.”

Alan Taffel,
the absolute sound.
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 11 Dec 2018, 01:05 am
https://www.fidelity-magazin.de/2018/12/10/test-cd-player-bryston-bcd-3/
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 5 Jan 2019, 02:27 pm
http://www.theabsolutesound.com/articles/bryston-bcd-3-cd-player/?page=4&mc_eid=0c8d8bac68&mc_cid=39884aeb6a&fbclid=IwAR0uw9JH_FbyoKziSqBC89V321vd0JChoWCxCEsUN1cnky2Fmlh1P5s3emw
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: TJ-Sully on 6 Jan 2019, 04:57 pm
I generally love reading reviews from Absolute Sound - but honestly, I had to chuckle when Mr Taffel "discovered" the digital outputs on the back of the BCD3, and relates this discovery to a future "upgrade" path for BCD3 users. 

CD players have had digital outs for over 20 years and offer flexibility to the user. For Mr. Taffel to say any CD player with a high quality digital out is "future-proof" is a total stretch.  It's kind of like saying...if you buy a really really nice DAC...sometime in the future...you can make this CD player sound even better!  Wow, thanks for the brilliant tip Absolute Sound.  Maybe folks should start saving up now! 

sorry to rant folks.  :scratch:

T
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 10 Jan 2019, 05:06 pm
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=188861)

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=188860)

https://www.fidelity-magazin.de/2018/12/10/test-cd-player-bryston-bcd-3/
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: pmcd on 28 Jul 2019, 03:21 pm
Question !   Is the silver brushed aluminum faceplate on the BCD3 the same finish as the BP26 as I have the opportunity to purchase a pair of the silver faceplates for my power supply and BP26    All My gear is black and and I already have a silver faceplate for my BDA1     I just don’t want to change the three older separates over to silver and find that the BCD3 has a different finish ( I would be in the market for the BCD3 silver faceplate if it was same as previous brushed aluminum)
     Thanks PMcD
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 28 Jul 2019, 03:34 pm
Question !   Is the silver brushed aluminum faceplate on the BCD3 the same finish as the BP26 as I have the opportunity to purchase a pair of the silver faceplates for my power supply and BP26    All My gear is black and and I already have a silver faceplate for my BDA1     I just don’t want to change the three older separates over to silver and find that the BCD3 has a different finish ( I would be in the market for the BCD3 silver faceplate if it was same as previous brushed aluminum)
     Thanks PMcD

Hi

The new silver faceplates have a soft 'pebbled' finish.

james

Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: pmcd on 28 Jul 2019, 03:46 pm
Thanks James.    I was figuring that from photos I had seen.   Glad I didn’t proceed with the change over
PMcD
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: twitch54 on 28 Jul 2019, 05:41 pm
how about one that's SACD capable ?
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 28 Jul 2019, 06:29 pm
Hi

No because SACD requires a whole different circuit and is not optimized for Redbook CD 44.1/16Bit performance.

james
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: R. Daneel on 23 Aug 2019, 08:26 pm
Hi folks!

I have a question for all you BCD-3 owners out there.

How do you like the functionality of this player?

By functionality, I mean the following:

- quietness during operation
- disc loading time
- responsiveness of the controls; for example, does the player react immediately when you press >>I or <<I several times or does it take it's time?
- are there CDs you are having problems with

Comparisons to other CD players you might have are welcome.

BCD-3 is a good sounding player but I am wondering how good is it mechanically. Online reviews seem to be vague on this particular topic.

Thanks a lot to any and all who decide they have something to contribute.

Cheers!
Antun
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: RandyH on 23 Aug 2019, 09:51 pm
My BCD-3 loads quickly, the door seems substantial and the player is totally silent during play.  The responsiveness to commands is about the same as I have experienced with other players.  The only possible operational quibble I might have is that my player does seem to be a little less tolerant of dirty or smudged CDs than other players I have had.  The instances of this occurring are rare but it does happen more frequently than other players.  I have yet to run across a CD that would not play after a cursory cleaning though.  I don't use the player nearly as regularly as I did before I started streaming but when I do it's operation is near perfect and the sound is great.  I do wish it had a dedicated remote control.  I use a universal remote which is ok but a product like the BCD-3 should have it's own remote control included.  I am sure there are plenty of people like me who use the BCD-3 in a system of mixed components and they shouldn't have to buy the expensive Bryston remote or have to use a universal.  This just seems odd to me.
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: thorman on 24 Aug 2019, 12:23 am
  Totally agree with RandyH.......Great Player  I have owned a few months and working very well, but at the asking price, it should include some sort of Remote ( no excuses ) .
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: R. Daneel on 24 Aug 2019, 04:29 pm
Thanks felas!

Anyone else?
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: gberger on 24 Aug 2019, 04:53 pm
Another general agreement with RandyH.

Left unstated is the effect a single clock has on decreasing jitter.  The DAC uses the same chips (2) and input-output philosophy of the Bryston BDA-3 DAC. The player mechanism, IMO, is excellent, and provides impeccable "audio out" smoothness - -the best I've experienced to date.  (It can be replaced, if necessary, and Bryston has spares in stock.  It's the best CD spinner I've ever tried or owned.

I have an extensive  classical CD collection, and haven't had any trouble with misfeeds. You have to be precise in loading the CD to be certain it's properly seated; however, that quickly becomes second nature. 
 
I'm in total agreement: Bryston should provide a dedicated remote for this CD Player.  I have one if their "One model fits all" metal brick remotes, and I have it set up for my BCD-3; however, it's a royal PITA to use if, like me, you have less-than-perfect eyesight. ( Like other owners, i also use a third-party remote.)

Hope this helps,

George
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: R. Daneel on 25 Aug 2019, 07:48 pm
Another general agreement with RandyH.

Left unstated is the effect a single clock has on decreasing jitter.  The DAC uses the same chips (2) and input-output philosophy of the Bryston BDA-3 DAC. The player mechanism, IMO, is excellent, and provides impeccable " out" smoothness - -the best I've experienced to date.  (It can be replaced, if necessary, and Bryston has spares in stock.  It's the best CD spinner I've ever tried or owned.

I have an extensive  classical CD collection, and haven't had any trouble with misfeeds. You have to be precise in loading the CD to be certain it's properly seated; however, that quickly becomes second nature. 
 
I'm in total agreement: Bryston should provide a dedicated remote for this CD Player.  I have one if their "One model fits all" metal brick remotes, and I have it set up for my BCD-3; however, it's a royal PITA to use if, like me, you have less-than-perfect eyesight. ( Like other owners, i also use a third-party remote.)

Hope this helps,

George

It does help George! Thank you very much!

When you say the mechanism is the best one you've used, to what other players are you comparing it to?

Cheers!
Antun
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: gberger on 25 Aug 2019, 10:11 pm
Anton,

I've either used or owned: SonyDVP 9000ES; NAD 512; Onkyo DX 708; Phillips CD 60;Carver (can't remember the model number.  Plus a Cambridge CD transport-only.
IMO, the transport used by Bryston is excellent. It's metal throughout, rather than having plastic parts. They buy the transport from an Austrian manufacturer:  It's a StreamUnlimited JPL-2800 transport with a very nice and smooth running drawer.

Cheers

George
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: R. Daneel on 26 Aug 2019, 05:52 pm
Anton,

I've either used or owned: SonyDVP 9000ES; NAD 512; Onkyo DX 708; Phillips CD 60;Carver (can't remember the model number.  Plus a Cambridge CD transport-only.
IMO, the transport used by Bryston is excellent. It's metal throughout, rather than having plastic parts. They buy the transport from an Austrian manufacturer:  It's a StreamUnlimited JPL-2800 transport with a very nice and smooth running drawer.

Cheers

George

Hi George!

This is exactly the kind of information I was looking for!

If the BCD-3 mechanism is as good as the Sony and Onkyo you've mentioned, then it is good!

Cheers!
Antun

P.S. Did you like the Cambridge CD transport? Was it the CXC or some other earlier model?
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: gberger on 26 Aug 2019, 06:07 pm
It was the CXC, and I used it with my BDA-3 DAC
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: R. Daneel on 26 Aug 2019, 06:47 pm
It was the CXC, and I used it with my BDA-3 DAC

Was it any good?
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: gberger on 26 Aug 2019, 08:12 pm
It was Ok. I used it with the BDA-3 for several months until my BCD-3 finally arrived. The drawer was slightly noisy, but the transport, per se, worked OK. 

I'd bought the BDA-3 with the idea of using it with transports of CD players, as several CD players offered a transport option, bypassing the player's internal DAC.

The combination of the "BDA-3 Junior." the single master clock for the transport and DAC  and the transport itself is what sold me on the BCD-3.

(For DAC comparison, I fed the transport of the BCD-3 to the BDA-3.  No discernible difference.)
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 26 Aug 2019, 09:55 pm

(For DAC comparison, I fed the transport of the BCD-3 to the BDA-3.  No discernible difference.)

Interesting, but not surprising.

My BCD-1 feeds a BDA-3 as transport (AES) and it sounds more spacious and engrossing than the -1 feeding my preamp directly.

 I believe that the BDA-3 got me two for the price of one, in my system.
 :thumb:
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: gbaby on 27 Aug 2019, 07:50 pm

 I believe that the BDA-3 got me two for the price of one, in my system.
 :thumb:

It did, indeed. Since, I am rediscovering stereo, I've learned to appreciate just how good the BDA3 is in my setup. Wow!
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 27 Aug 2019, 09:49 pm
It did, indeed. Since, I am rediscovering stereo, I've learned to appreciate just how good the BDA3 is in my setup. Wow!

+1
It really surpassed my BDA-1 in ways that surprised me; it took a few weeks to "sink in". Confirmed that old lesson: i gotta live with a new piece for a few wks, to really hear its true attributes, rather than doing quick comparisons over a few hrs.

Not sure why, as I don't believe in "burn in" of DACs. But let's not go there.
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: The Rang on 28 Aug 2019, 01:09 am
Can anyone hear differences between these transports?
I’m using a Cambridge CXU to feed my BDA3 and recently bought a Sony UBP-X800 on clearance as a back up.
I have fears that some day the CXU will crap out and I’ll need something that outputs DSD from HDMI.
But, and maybe it’s just my imagination (and if not perhaps a break in period?) the Sony doesn’t sound as quite as good.
Need to do more critical comparisons, but curious about what others here have experienced
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: gberger on 28 Aug 2019, 01:58 am
Probably a partial answer to your question:

The CXu is a blu ray player, while the CXC is a CD-only transport, with no capabilities for DVD or SACD; however, it has been specifically designed to reproduce RedBook 16/44.1 - - and does it very well, indeed - - especially for its price. 

I have my CXC on the shelf, as a backup to the BCD-3, in the remote event something goes South with the BCD-3.

IMO, a CXC > BDA-3 combination is a very good one.

George
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: kaufman on 28 Aug 2019, 12:39 pm
Great information on this great. Thank you all.
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Silverbullet on 29 Aug 2019, 01:51 am
CanadianMaestro did you keep your BDA1?  I’ve got both a 1 and a 3 and am running out of inputs on the BDA3 and thinking of using the BDA1 with it’s digital output connected to the BDA3. The manual claims the digital input is unaltered to the digital output, have you tried this at all?
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 29 Aug 2019, 06:14 pm
Silverbullet, no I haven't tried it. Not sure what the benefits would be, of cascading digital outputs like that. But try it. Would be interested to know how the SQ is affected.

I still have -1, it is off the rack now.

Edit: I think you're better off connecting directly your primary sources to one or the other DAC, not both cascaded. You may have to trim the herd if you have more sources than input jacks.
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Gumby on 2 Dec 2019, 02:41 am
Probably a partial answer to your question:

The CXu is a blu ray player, while the CXC is a CD-only transport, with no capabilities for DVD or SACD; however, it has been specifically designed to reproduce RedBook 16/44.1 - - and does it very well, indeed - - especially for its price. 

I have my CXC on the shelf, as a backup to the BCD-3, in the remote event something goes South with the BCD-3.

IMO, a CXC > BDA-3 combination is a very good one.

George

George, how does the CXC > BDA-3 sound compared to BCD-3?   

I’m thinking of upgrading CD player to the BCD-3 , or use my CD player as a transport for a BDA-3.   
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: gberger on 2 Dec 2019, 03:21 am
Gumby,

At first, I couldn't detect any differences; however, after listening for some period, I found the transport / Dac combination to be wearing.The female voice is less clear.  Much, much more so than with the BCD-3.  (Same CD selection of symphonies, chorals and operas.)
Why?
I might attribute the effect to the transport /  Dac  combination not having a single dedicated timer, thus increasing jitter.
The BCD-3 uses a single high accuracy clock for the internal transport and the internal Dac. And there could be a difference in the transport mechanisms, per se.
Regardless, 'm still keeping the transport and Dac as backup.

I can say that for a couple of hours, I don't notice it - - but a longer listening session clearly becomes wearing.  (Disclaimer: I only listen to classical music. No jazz, rock, hard rock, metal.  This might make a difference in how listening fatigue sets in.)
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 2 Dec 2019, 12:25 pm
I haven't heard a BCD-3 as a CD player, but I use my BCD-1 as a transport, feeding a BDA-3 (BNC). The combo sounds superb.

I predict that a lesser-calibre CDP, used as a transport to BDA-3, would also reap the sonic benefits of the DAC. YMMV as usual.

Just my 2 cents worth.

cheers



Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 2 Dec 2019, 12:57 pm


This is excerpted from a longer article available here:
https://uk.yamaha.com/en/products/contents/proaudio/docs/audio_quality/05_audio_quality.html


audibility of jitter:

Assuming a 0dBfs sine wave audio signal with a frequency of 10kHz as a worst case scenario, a jitter signal with a peak level of 5ns will generate a combined A/D and D/A jitter noise peak level of:

EA/D+D/A = 20.log(2.5.10-92.π.10.103) = -64dBfs

When exposed to listeners without the audio signal present, this would be clearly audible. However, in real life jitter noise only occurs with the audio signal in place, and in that case masking occurs: the jitter noise close to the audio signal frequency components will be inaudible, so the average audio signal’s spectrum will mask a significant portion of the jitter noise.

Note that the predicted level is the jitter noise peak level generated by 0dBfs audio signals. In real life, the average RMS level of jitter noise will be lowered by many dB’s because of the audio program’s crest factor and the system’s safety level margins used by the sound engineer. Music with a crest factor of 10dB played through a digital audio system with a safety level margin of 10dB will then generate jitter noise below -84dBfs.

The audibility of jitter is a popular topic on internet forums. Often a stand-alone digital mixing console is used in a listening session, toggling between its internal clock and external clock. In these comparisons it is important to know that such comparison sessions only work with a stand-alone device. If any other digital device is connected to the mixer, then clock phase might play a more significant role in the comparison results than jitter.

In uncontrolled tests, many subjective and non-auditory sensations have a significant influence on the result.

In multiple clinical tests, the perception threshold of jitter has been reported to lie between 10 nanoseconds(* 5U) for sinusoidal jitter and 250 nanoseconds(* 5V) for noise shaped jitter - with actual noise shaped jitter levels in popular digital mixing consoles being below 10 nanoseconds.
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: gberger on 2 Dec 2019, 02:14 pm
maestro,

The BCD-3 DAC uses the same chips (2) and input-output of the Bryston BDA-3.  In effect, a  BDA-3 with a single purpose.
 
The transport is excellent. It's metal throughout, rather than having plastic parts. The transport is from an Austrian manufacturer:  It's a StreamUnlimited JPL-2800.

If I had the disposable income, I'd get another one to replace the Cambridge transport as a backup.
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 2 Dec 2019, 02:28 pm
maestro,

The BCD-3 DAC uses the same chips (2) and input-output of the Bryston BDA-3.  In effect, a  BDA-3 with a single purpose.
 
The transport is excellent. It's metal throughout, rather than having plastic parts. The transport is from an Austrian manufacturer:  It's a StreamUnlimited JPL-2800.

If I had the disposable income, I'd get another one to replace the Cambridge transport as a backup.

 :thumb:
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: gberger on 2 Dec 2019, 04:31 pm
Maestro,

https://www.hifi-advice.com/blog/review/digital-reviews/cd-player-reviews/bryston-bcd-3-cd-player/

The Old Fud
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 2 Dec 2019, 04:46 pm
george (old fud),

thanks. Not surprised. I have yet to see a negative review of anything Bryston.
My BCD-1 is 7 yrs old. It will last till a Clinton becomes Prez.   :lol:
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: gberger on 2 Dec 2019, 04:53 pm
Dig It.  :-)  :-)  :-)
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 4 Jan 2020, 03:02 pm
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=202816)

MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston BCD-3 CD Player –Customer Feedback

January 2020

Hi Folks,

“Added the BCD-3 to my main system.

Has been playing/breaking in now for 12 hrs. This CDP is an exceptional no frills red book player. Incredible right out of the box and has started to become more analog-like as each disc is played. No digital glare whatsoever with the first CD played. (Brother Jefferson - Reflections. https://jeffchapmanmusic.com/)

This CDP will be the last I buy and I plan to be around for a while.

I have a BDA-3 on my Audio-dar and may very well be my next purchase. Thank you Ivan for your knowledge and suggestions on what route best fits my budget.”

Miner
Senior Member

Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: rollo on 4 Jan 2020, 04:34 pm
 IMHO there is STILL nothing like 44.1 done right. I will take a CD player done right like Bryston over any streamer. Play those shiny discs.

charles
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: gbaby on 5 Jan 2020, 06:18 pm
IMHO there is STILL nothing like 44.1 done right. I will take a CD player done right like Bryston over any streamer. Play those shiny discs.

charles

I agree with you, but you can still get 44.1 done right with a streamer called the BDP-3. :thumb:
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: gberger on 5 Jan 2020, 06:53 pm
Does the BDP-3 support Idagio?
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 7 Jan 2020, 06:02 pm
Hi James:
 
My Bryston BCD-3 CD player is an indispensable part of my stereo system. Having amassed thousands of CD over the past five decades a CD player with the capabilities of the Bryston unit is a godsent.  Not only does it bring out the best of older recordings, it shines in playing recent CDs.  If the surge in SACD and music Blue Ray discs is any indicator, laser discs are far from becoming history.  Streaming facilities do not hold reservoirs of rare and small label recordings that are only available on vinyl or CD.
 
Sincerely,
 
Rimas

Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: ivanlyf on 22 Jan 2020, 02:51 am
I bought the BCD-3 CDP during my system refresh in 2019 to replace my BDA-2 as the source.

Wow - the difference is amazing. It's more detailed, the instruments in the orchestra are better separated, trebles are more extended than before. All this while still not sounding harsh.

When Bryston releases a BDA-4, can we have an accompanying BCD-4 please???
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 22 Jan 2020, 07:44 pm
Miner
Senior Member

Since adding the BCD-3 to my "analogue system" I have found myself being reintroduced to many CDs from the past that have not spun in years,

I now have approx. 90 hrs on the CDP and the unit is becoming more analogue to my ears.

One particular CD I have enjoyed immensely since adding the BCD-3 into my system has been Dave Brubek's "Time Out"
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: rollo on 22 Jan 2020, 07:59 pm
Miner
Senior Member

Since adding the BCD-3 to my "analogue system" I have found myself being reintroduced to many CDs from the past that have not spun in years,

I now have approx. 90 hrs on the CDP and the unit is becoming more analogue to my ears.

One particular CD I have enjoyed immensely since adding the BCD-3 into my system has been Dave Brubek's "Time Out"


  I could not agree more with a dedicated CDP or transport and DAC. The BCD-3 IS a one box solution to be strongly considered before streaming.


charles
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: gberger on 22 Jan 2020, 08:24 pm
If they do make a BDA-4, but not the BCD-4, you can still take the digital from the BCD-3 to feed the BDA-4.
Not an ideal solution; however, the BCD-3 was engineered so that the digital signal could feed your choice of DAC.
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 15 Mar 2020, 01:00 pm
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=205949)

MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston BCD-3 CD Player – Customer Feedback

March 2010

For any in the market for a Redbook player that will rival a sub- $5000 SACD player, let alone a CDP, do yourself a favor and put the Bryston BCD-3 on your A-list.

I have owned many brands of players, nothing over $8000, and this sheep in lambs clothing is a sleeper.

I am having a Come To JDandy (RIP) moment, but unfortunately I do not have Dan’s descriptive writing capabilities. I was wowed straight out of the box.

Then, Ivan’s experience with his numerous BDA-3’s caused me to wonder what else could be experienced with Bryston products. I had mainly purchased the DAC as a entry into their server world of music.

Using the BCD-3 CD Player with the BDA-3 DAC, with the assist of a Wireworld IC, turned the sheep into a lion.

What I noticed initially was the soundstage extend a bit side to side but was greatly increased front to back.

I cannot thank Ivan enough for suggesting the DAC and even convincing me to tap the CDP into it. I really enjoyed the improvement that was heard on Beth Hart/Joe Bonamassa’s ‘Seesaw’ CD. What a great collaboration between two fantastic artists.

Miner's
Senior Member

Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 15 Mar 2020, 02:04 pm
^ good review. Especially the blued part about using the BCD as transport feeding BDA-3. I've used my BCD-1 feeding BDA for years, and it sounds better than direct to preamp. Better staging and improved imaging in my system.  :thumb:
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 15 Mar 2020, 06:02 pm
Hi james

With over 5,000 classical CDs at my disposal, I rely on my BCD-3CD player. 

Streaming may be convenient but it falls far short of providing the vast array of music that was recorded on CDs.

Sincerely,
Rima
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: gberger on 15 Mar 2020, 07:42 pm
Hi James,

Another serious vote for the BCD-3.

I've either tried, or owned, CD players since the beginning of the CD era - - - looking for a better one to spin
my expanding collection of classical CDs.  When I found the BCD-3, my hunt was over.

IMO, the "Mini BDA-3" and single clock in the BCD-3 have made all the difference.  My Redbook collection has never sounded better.
 
BCD-3 > BP17c > 4B cubed > Thiel 2.7s plus sub.   (Sennheiser 800S cans.)

George
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: linko on 27 Apr 2020, 11:40 pm
Hi, I just received my BCD 3. I have been playing some CDs today, but really not happy with the sound. I am finding it congested and kind of unfocused. I am doing  an A/B comparison with my audio research CD 2.

How long of a break in is required before the sound becomes as wonderful as everyone is saying. I have it running on repeat. I am going to turn off my other gear tonight (all tubes) and just let the Bryston run.

Any advice?

Thanks
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Mag on 28 Apr 2020, 12:46 am
Hi, I just received my BCD 3. I have been playing some CDs today, but really not happy with the sound. I am finding it congested and kind of unfocused. I am doing  an A/B comparison with my audio research CD 2.

How long of a break in is required before the sound becomes as wonderful as everyone is saying. I have it running on repeat. I am going to turn off my other gear tonight (all tubes) and just let the Bryston run.

Any advice?

Thanks

Could you provide a little more info like your pre-amp and how you have it connected and digital or analog input/output?
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 28 Apr 2020, 01:29 am
Hi, I just received my BCD 3. I have been playing some CDs today, but really not happy with the sound. I am finding it congested and kind of unfocused. I am doing  an A/B comparison with my audio research CD 2.

How long of a break in is required before the sound becomes as wonderful as everyone is saying. I have it running on repeat. I am going to turn off my other gear tonight (all tubes) and just let the Bryston run.

Any advice?

Thanks

Hi there,

I think you should just give yourself some time to get aurally "adjusted", or acclimated, to the sound of your new player.

I can't imagine why a Bryston CDP would need more "break-in". It already has 100 hrs of run time at the factory before shipping out.

good luck.

p.s. Curious: what was it about the SQ of your ARC CD2 that made you want to buy a BCD-3?
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: linko on 28 Apr 2020, 10:13 am
I have the Bryston connected by audio quest coax to my Audio Research LS15 tube preamp, the LS15 feeds a pair of VTL225 tube monoblocks connected to a pair of ProAc responses 3 speakers. I am comparing the BCD3 to my Audio Research CD2 CD player.

Weak signal level as the CD2 is 12 o clock on volume and the BCD3 is 3 o clock.

Much less drive and clarity from the BCD3 veiled sound
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: linko on 28 Apr 2020, 10:16 am
I am concerned the ARC CD2 transport will have no repair option as the CD2 has a teacher transport ARC cannot repair or replace. Figured I would get the CD player to last me the next decade.
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 28 Apr 2020, 12:39 pm
I have the Bryston connected by audio quest coax to my Audio Research LS15 tube preamp,
Weak signal level as the CD2 is 12 o clock on volume and the BCD3 is 3 o clock.

Much less drive and clarity from the BCD3 veiled sound

Check that the gains on the two separate channels of your LS15 pre (one receiving BCD3, the other CD2) are the same (I have LS27, and the gains can be set independently on each input).

Odd that BCD3 would need a higher volume dial setting. It has a high V out. You said you are using a coax to connect to LS15 -- is that balanced or SE?

Did you check that SPL is the same for both players when comparing?
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: linko on 28 Apr 2020, 03:14 pm
Appreciate the detailed response. I can't live with the sound so I am not looking further at the levels but very good idea. I am using SE input. I also connected with a pair of Transparent Audio Ultra XLR to the direct input. Sound just doesn't have musical depth, soundstage is flat. Did quite a few a/b comparisons with the ARC.

SPL ? Sound pressure level?
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Mag on 28 Apr 2020, 05:03 pm
I have the Bryston connected by audio quest coax to my Audio Research LS15 tube preamp, the LS15 feeds a pair of VTL225 tube monoblocks connected to a pair of ProAc responses 3 speakers. I am comparing the BCD3 to my Audio Research CD2 CD player.

Weak signal level as the CD2 is 12 o clock on volume and the BCD3 is 3 o clock.

Much less drive and clarity from the BCD3 veiled sound

Well I don't know. With my BCD-3 I have to be careful with the volume as I can easily hit high SPL, and I would not describe the sound as veiled. I find the BCD-3 the most refined sound compared to my other sources, BDP-1, Yamaha BD-a1060 and computer output.

I'm using BCD-3 analog outputs to SP2 inputs, using 2 channel bypass to Yamaha MG-10 mixer to Bryston 3B SST2 amps, Model T passive speakers.

Have you tried a firmware update?
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: CanadianMaestro on 28 Apr 2020, 05:03 pm

SPL ? Sound pressure level?

Yes. You said you were A/B 'ing the two CDPs. So you need to make sure that SPL is exactly the same out of your speakers, for both players.

offline for the next day or so.
cheers
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?--BOT-1 Discontinued
Post by: loujetlag on 30 May 2020, 03:04 pm
Hi foks, noob on this (and all)  forum here, so please pardon ignorance/etiquette gaffes. 

I just acquired a used/IAD upgraded BDP-2.  My plan was to acquire a BOT-1 (used or new) and then pay the factory to upgrade the BDP-2 to a BDP-3.  But now (I believe very recently this month) I see the BOT-1 is discontinued.  And I see it is now out of stock in Sliver (preferred to match my BDP-2) at Moon Audio and in mostly Black elsewhere. 

Wondering if I should rush to find a new Silver one out there, wait for a sale, or...?  But meantime some questions...

Does anyone know if there are plans to make a BOT-2?  Or perhaps Bryston is simplifying production and focusing only on BCD-3 and successors?

Also, has any anyone compared SQ of BDP-X + BOT-1 combo vs. BCD-3?

Thanks to all for the fun and knowledge base / resource!
Cheers,
Lou
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?--BOT-1 Discontinued
Post by: gbaby on 6 Jun 2020, 04:40 pm
Hi foks, noob on this (and all)  forum here, so please pardon ignorance/etiquette gaffes. 

I just acquired a used/IAD upgraded BDP-2.  My plan was to acquire a BOT-1 (used or new) and then pay the factory to upgrade the BDP-2 to a BDP-3.  But now (I believe very recently this month) I see the BOT-1 is discontinued.  And I see it is now out of stock in Sliver (preferred to match my BDP-2) at Moon Audio and in mostly Black elsewhere. 

Wondering if I should rush to find a new Silver one out there, wait for a sale, or...?  But meantime some questions...

Does anyone know if there are plans to make a BOT-2?  Or perhaps Bryston is simplifying production and focusing only on BCD-3 and successors?

Also, has any anyone compared SQ of BDP-X + BOT-1 combo vs. BCD-3?

Thanks to all for the fun and knowledge base / resource!
Cheers,
Lou

Why do you even need a BOT1?
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: noble on 16 Jul 2020, 02:24 pm


   Hi there

  Can someone please explain to me as  to  the difference in sound quality between the BCd1 and Bcd3. Is the improvement night and day or should i stick with the bcd1 until it becomes faulty.

 Is there a possibility of a new  bryston CD player in the future.

 Excuse me for my naivety
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: R. Daneel on 21 Aug 2020, 11:00 am
Hi, I just received my BCD 3. I have been playing some CDs today, but really not happy with the sound. I am finding it congested and kind of unfocused. I am doing  an A/B comparison with my audio research CD 2.

How long of a break in is required before the sound becomes as wonderful as everyone is saying. I have it running on repeat. I am going to turn off my other gear tonight (all tubes) and just let the Bryston run.

Any advice?

Thanks

Hello!

It hardly makes any sense to me to go from AR to Bryston, unless you're wanting to try "something completely different" as they say in Monty Python.

It is quite possible the Bryston "sound" (if it has any) is not to your liking in general and that you simply bought the wrong machine. If you like your AR player, keep it or try something more recent from AR. Break-in rarely sorted anything out for me. If I don't like it on first listen, I will certainly not like it after a year.

Cheers,
Antun
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: mav52 on 21 Aug 2020, 12:11 pm
I picked up a BCD-1 years ago, the sound wasn't to my liking , so I just bypassed the internal dac and just use the BCD-1 as a transport fed either by its AES or SPDIF into one of my dacs. 
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: gberger on 22 Aug 2020, 12:31 am
The BCD-3 has an excellent transport, and its output goes through the integral BDA-3 DAC components for conversion to analog.  Both the transport and BDA-3 are controlled by a single master  clock, avoiding jitter as much as can be achieved by a CD  spinner i n this price range.

My classical Redbook CD collection is reproduced the best I've encountered so far.

George
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: AndrewA on 9 Oct 2020, 06:20 pm
A question.

I remember that the BCD-1 had some special codes that you could type in the remote to reduce the output level a little, to stop it from overloading the preamp, etc.

Does the BCD-3 also have this possible adjustment?  If so, what would the codes be?
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 5 Nov 2020, 01:13 pm
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=216606)

MEMO: To All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Bryston BCD-3 CD Player – Customer Feedback

November 2020
 
Hi James,

I send great opinion from happy customer. He knows what he say about piano because he has been studying piano at University of Music.

Robert Fijałkowski , MJ AUDIO LAB - Poland



"This player is a dream come true for me! I want to hug you and the whole team of Bryston engineers - for the fact that this player was produced and that it sounds the way it does and that I can purchase it.

This device communicates the MUSIC and the emotions associated with it.

I could not ask for anything more. I had high expectations and they came true. A big thank you from me!

From this dat forward, we are changing the Bryston slogan: Bryston is no longer an amplifier specialist; Bryston is a sophisticated music specialist! - This is what Bryston devices sound like, including the BCD-3, which is not an amplifier!  I can attest to the performance because I have already checked it with my own ears. And I know I am right: the BCD-3 player is certainly one of the best players in the world, in an absolute sense.

To say that, I don't need any comparison with other players. I just hear very well; and I know how the different instruments actually sound: and Bryston transmits it. I started with Chopin's Nocturne in C minor (Op. 48) in the recording of my beloved Garrick Ohlsson (Arabesque); and the first two minutes of this recording made me realise what a fantastic player this is.

If the piano sounds like Ohlsson's fingers, the first thing that comes to mind is "yes, no doubt, he's playing the Bosendorfer!" - it cannot be a greater compliment if the device is so accurate in terms of timbre that it differentiates the brand of the piano the artist playing. It calmed me down immediately, because I was sure that since the BCD-3 reproduces the piano sound so phenomenally, other instruments will also sound as they should ... In addition, this sound is already great even when the player is still completely " raw "unplayed ...!" - unbelievable!

To sum up: I bet everything on this player and company. Bryston did not disappoint me. More: they generously endowed me! - And I am grateful to them for that."


Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: ashtarul on 15 Dec 2021, 06:17 am
Hi James,

Would it be possible to order the BCD-3 with the black and white display like the one on the BR-20?

Ash
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 15 Dec 2021, 12:12 pm
Hi James,

Would it be possible to order the BCD-3 with the black and white display like the one on the BR-20?

Ash

Not sure if the display will fit?

I will ask.

james
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 15 Dec 2021, 12:27 pm
Not sure if the display will fit?

I will ask.

james

Hi - yes the same display is used on the BCD and the BR20

james
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: schuesmp on 8 Jan 2022, 09:52 pm
James -

I ordered a new Bryston BCD-3 CD Player in April 2021, which I received in August 2021. It sounds magnificent, but the display has been temperamental. My Bryston dealer has been exceptionally responsive with the RMA process. When the display began having issues, I accessed the Bryston web interface to select and change tracks. I noted that the web interface shows a Build Date of April 25, 2018, so roughly three years ago. I do not claim to know what events determine the Build Date, but it struck me as curious. Perhaps you can provide some insight?

Many thanks.
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Mariusz Uszynski on 9 Jan 2022, 12:24 am
I ordered my BCD-3 June.11.2021 and received it Nov.05.2021.I have the same date online display, Apr.25.2018 14:23:11.
You right, it is magnificent beast.What kind of issues do you have with your BCD-3, could you please describe it?
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: James Tanner on 9 Jan 2022, 01:54 am
That is the software build date.

james
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: schuesmp on 9 Jan 2022, 08:09 am
James - Thank you for clarifying the meaning of Build Date.

Mariusz - My BCD-3 plays discs without issue, and the sound is excellent. The display, however, ultimately went dark for about one week after a period of glitchy behavior, before regaining functionality just this morning before I posted. My player is currently operating properly. I will monitor closely and, if issues return, I will send the unit in for repair. 

I ordered my BCD-3 June.11.2021 and received it Nov.05.2021.I have the same date online display, Apr.25.2018 14:23:11.
You right, it is magnificent beast.What kind of issues do you have with your BCD-3, could you please describe it?
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Mariusz Uszynski on 9 Jan 2022, 12:12 pm
James - Thank you for clarifying the meaning of Build Date.

Mariusz - My BCD-3 plays discs without issue, and the sound is excellent. The display, however, ultimately went dark for about one week after a period of glitchy behavior, before regaining functionality just this morning before I posted. My player is currently operating properly. I will monitor closely and, if issues return, I will send the unit in for repair.
Schuesmp - I don't want to insult your intelligence or sound like a I'm a smartass, but if you press number "0", the display in BCD-3 goes off.It happened to me in the past, I accidentally pressed "0" and display went off.I got so scared, I thought I broke it.Again, I'm just trying to help.
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: trebor2 on 10 Jan 2022, 10:11 am
James -

I ordered a new Bryston BCD-3 CD Player in April 2021, which I received in August 2021. It sounds magnificent, but the display has been temperamental. My Bryston dealer has been exceptionally responsive with the RMA process. When the display began having issues, I accessed the Bryston web interface to select and change tracks. I noted that the web interface shows a Build Date of April 25, 2018, so roughly three years ago. I do not claim to know what events determine the Build Date, but it struck me as curious. Perhaps you can provide some insight?

Many thanks.

I had the BCD-3 in 2018 and I wonder if your display issue was similar to mine?
During playback the next track would start to play but the display didn't change for a few seconds, still showing the previous track information.
I wondered if this was something Bryston were aware of and has since been fixed.
Great player otherwise and I'm considering purchasing again, hoping that the display issue I had is no longer there.
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: schuesmp on 10 Jan 2022, 04:04 pm
I appreciate the effort to help. Unfortunately, the issue with my display has been in the form of flickering, freezing, not displaying correct information, and displaying distorted figures. Interestingly, after disconnecting power from the player for a few days and reconnecting, the previously nonresponsive display regained life and appears to be working properly. I will, of course, monitor for symptoms of the original issue. 

Schuesmp - I don't want to insult your intelligence or sound like a I'm a smartass, but if you press number "0", the display in BCD-3 goes off.It happened to me in the past, I accidentally pressed "0" and display went off.I got so scared, I thought I broke it.Again, I'm just trying to help.
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: schuesmp on 10 Jan 2022, 04:09 pm
See my post immediately above. I agree with you: it is a great CD player when working properly. Hopefully my display issue is behind me.

I had the BCD-3 in 2018 and I wonder if your display issue was similar to mine?
During playback the next track would start to play but the display didn't change for a few seconds, still showing the previous track information.
I wondered if this was something Bryston were aware of and has since been fixed.
Great player otherwise and I'm considering purchasing again, hoping that the display issue I had is no longer there.
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Mariusz Uszynski on 10 Jan 2022, 04:12 pm
I appreciate the effort to help. Unfortunately, the issue with my display has been in the form of flickering, freezing, not displaying correct information, and displaying distorted figures. Interestingly, after disconnecting power from the player for a few days and reconnecting, the previously nonresponsive display regained life and appears to be working properly. I will, of course, monitor for symptoms of the original issue.
Schuesmp, you will have good laugh, but after reading about your BCD-3 issue, I turned off display.I love my new setup so much, I want it to last forever.I believe, we have 5 years warranty?Love the pup on the picture.
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: schuesmp on 10 Jan 2022, 05:01 pm
My first disc into the BCD-3 was Stone Temple Pilots' reissued Tiny Music...Songs from the Vatican Gift Shop. Clear and expansive, yet punchy, from the get-go. This player is a keeper.

Schuesmp, you will have good laugh, but after reading about your BCD-3 issue, I turned off display.I love my new setup so much, I want it to last forever.I believe, we have 5 years warranty?Love the pup on the picture.
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Mariusz Uszynski on 10 Jan 2022, 05:24 pm
My first disc into the BCD-3 was Stone Temple Pilots' reissued Tiny Music...Songs from the Vatican Gift Shop. Clear and expansive, yet punchy, from the get-go. This player is a keeper.
Mine was "Deep Purple In Rock" by Deep Purple, this one I'm taking to the grave with me.I think one of the members loves this player so much, that he decided to purchase extra laser.
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: schuesmp on 11 Jan 2022, 03:06 am
Dang, the issue with the display resurfaced. The player still plays discs wonderfully, but a repair or replacement is needed. Will happily stream and play records during the there-and-back journey.

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=235230)
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Mariusz Uszynski on 11 Jan 2022, 04:03 am
Dang, the issue with the display resurfaced. The player still plays discs wonderfully, but a repair or replacement is needed. Will happily stream and play records during the there-and-back journey.

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=235230)
Brother, I can't even imagine the pain you're in.
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: schuesmp on 11 Jan 2022, 04:16 am
I’ll survive. :wink:  Glad I’m dealing with Bryston under these circumstances.
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: trebor2 on 11 Jan 2022, 09:54 am
Dang, the issue with the display resurfaced. The player still plays discs wonderfully, but a repair or replacement is needed. Will happily stream and play records during the there-and-back journey.

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=235230)

BCD-3 coming next week. Hopefully no display issues!
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: schuesmp on 11 Jun 2022, 09:24 pm
As expected, Bryston remediated the display issue afflicting my BCD-3. I do not know exactly what Bryston repaired or replaced, but the player including display has performed flawlessly since its return to me several months ago. Great company and dealer.

Dang, the issue with the display resurfaced. The player still plays discs wonderfully, but a repair or replacement is needed. Will happily stream and play records during the there-and-back journey.

(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=235230)
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Mariusz Uszynski on 12 Jun 2022, 01:00 am
Damn, it looks exacly as before, what did they fix???I believe, the display is $100...
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: schuesmp on 12 Jun 2022, 01:06 am
Damn, it looks exacly as before, what did they fix???I believe, the display is $100...

That image is from January 2022, before the fix. I included it as context for the update (display fixed and player working properly).
Title: Re: Future Bryston CD Player Still A Go?
Post by: Mariusz Uszynski on 12 Jun 2022, 10:47 am
That image is from January 2022, before the fix. I included it as context for the update (display fixed and player working properly).

Oh shit, I honestly thought it came back to haunt you again, ha ha.Congratulations and I have to pay more attention, to what's people are writing.