Searching for Soundstage

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WannaBeHiFi

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Re: Searching for Soundstage
« Reply #60 on: 7 Nov 2024, 01:51 pm »
This video covers how to make some very inexpensive but very effective wall panels.

https://youtu.be/fpiLLqEgX7w?si=FKMEl1HXyV-TEouV

Danny, Thank you for this video link.  I had seen it before but it's been a while and was a needed refresher.  At the end of the video were several pictures of examples of untreated rooms.  Do you, or perhaps other members have pictures of properly treated rooms?



WannaBeHiFi

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Re: Searching for Soundstage
« Reply #61 on: 7 Nov 2024, 03:12 pm »
Some time ago I stumbled across Europa Jazz.  Some of the content is annoying but for the most part I'm really digging 50's acoustic jazz.  I'll hear something that will catch my attention and it's usually someone I've never heard of, and his band. Cudos to Europa Jazz for preserving all that wonderful music and making it available.   

The other night after watching all of Ron's Sound Shed videos.  Europa Jazz was playing very pleasant selections.  I was sipping an IPA trying to process all I had learned. I thought about all the insights y'all have shared.  I watched all those sound waves bouncing around the room, crashing into each other, stacking up in the corners and such. 

I grabbed a thick comforter and flung it out to cover the floor between the speakers and my listening position.  I listened, pulled it back, listened, flung it out, listened.  I did that for several songs.  Couldn't really hear much difference.  I thought at one point that perhaps the cymbals were a bit more clear with blanket down, but then I would bull the blanket back and wonder if I was just imagining an improvement. 

Perhaps covering the floor alone isn't enough.  Perhaps it will take a combination of floor, walls, and ? before I can hear an improvement. 

I've started watching the content on Acoustics Insider.  There's a lot to process there.

After Ron's videos and Danny's stories about expensive equipment sounding horrible at Audio shows I understand the importance of room treatments.  Now I've got to figure out room treatments that I can employ that are practical, fit my room and lifestyle, and at the end of the day, improve sound.

I'm going to ease into that rabbit hole and see where it goes.  As I embark on this journey, the impression I have is this is going to require a lot of time, trial and error, and from where I stand now a lot of guesswork.  Perhaps someday I will get a mic and run that room analysis that Ron used.  I'll have to see where this rabbit hole leads but I'm not going to stress about it.

Over the last few days I've thought a lot about the tendency within this hobby to constantly upgrade equipment in the face of diminishing returns in a quest for perfect sonic reproduction.  One of these days I'd like to hear one of those systems.   But I'm not going to go down that rabbit hole.  I think good enough is within reach. 

The cable I ordered was supposed to be here Monday, I'm an hour from Tulsa.  For reasons unknown Amazon routed the package to Arkansas for a few days, now it's supposed to arrive Friday.  When that arrives I'm going to upgrade 16ga bare end lamp wire and binding cups with 12ga and tube connectors.  Will I hear that, or will it just make me feel better?  Time will tell....

I'm still going to service the vintage Yamaha M-45.  I might end up with a nice amp, I might destroy it.  Either way it will be a challenging learning experience. 

I'd like to thank Danny for sharing your vast knowledge, wonderful products, and this forum.  This is an amazing resource.
I'd like to thank the members who participated in this discussion for sharing your experience and insights. 

This has been a very helpful dialogue.  I'm grateful to all y'all. 

Mariusz Uszynski

Re: Searching for Soundstage
« Reply #62 on: 7 Nov 2024, 03:13 pm »
Hi WannaBeHIFI, here are some pictures of my room, that is treated by VICOUSTIC ACOUSTIC PANELS from Portugal, I added the blueprint as well.If you send them info of your gear, pictures and measurements of your room, they'll come up with best possible treatment plan for your room.I've done my room in 2020,the price for the blueprint and all support via e-mail was €100.I have purchased all the panels in Canada and installed the with my father, who's very good handyman.Also, I have some pictures of the installation.That was really fun project.

















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Re: Searching for Soundstage
« Reply #63 on: 7 Nov 2024, 03:20 pm »
I bought a pair of acoustic panels by ATS Acoustics over a decade ago as my 1st attempt to treat my room.  Using a mirror I located the first reflection points on each side and mounted the panels there.  It immediately made vocals more clear and easier to understand.  Highly recommend!

WannaBeHiFi

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Re: Searching for Soundstage
« Reply #64 on: 7 Nov 2024, 03:23 pm »
Hi WannaBeHIFI, here are some pictures of my room, that is treated by VICOUSTIC ACOUSTIC PANELS from Portugal, I added the blueprint as well.If you send them info of your gear, pictures and measurements of your room, they'll come up with best possible treatment plan for your room.I've done my room in 2020,the price for the blueprint and all support via e-mail was €100.I have purchased all the panels in Canada and installed the with my father, who's very good handyman.Also, I have some pictures of the installation.That was really fun project.


 :scratch: Food for thought.  Thank you

Glady86

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Re: Searching for Soundstage
« Reply #65 on: 7 Nov 2024, 04:13 pm »
I got my speakers to sound better than I thought possible with mostly just some basic first reflection point room treatments. Diffusers and bass traps on the front wall, absorption on first sidewall point and diffusion on second side wall reflection points. Since the ceiling is a drop ceiling, I used insulation and acoustic panels meant for home theater use. But it took lots and lots of positioning tweaks to get to that “holy shit” (for lack of a better description) level of sound quality. I know most people have their systems in their shared space living room, so it’s harder to set up the system only focusing on sound quality, but no reason you can’t get satisfying results anyway.

Glady86

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Re: Searching for Soundstage
« Reply #66 on: 7 Nov 2024, 05:37 pm »
I forgot to mention, buy a wool rug to put in between the speakers and your listening position. They cost more but I found mine on Amazon for fairly cheap considering how much they can cost.

AllanS

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Re: Searching for Soundstage
« Reply #67 on: 8 Nov 2024, 02:21 am »
 
As I embark on this journey, the impression I have is this is going to require a lot of time, trial and error, and from where I stand now a lot of guesswork.  Perhaps someday I will get a mic and run that room analysis that Ron used.  I'll have to see where this rabbit hole leads but I'm not going to stress about it.
You hit on the key vibe, time and patience. But for the price of one panel you can pick up a UMIK1 and donate a couple of bucks to REW and take out a lot of the guesswork.  If I’d done that I’d probably not have a lot of very pretty panels decorating my room that honestly don’t do a whole lot.  I can now measure the difference but I’m not sure I actually hear a difference.  You’re already ahead of the curve if you’re willing say good enough is good.

KTS

Re: Searching for Soundstage
« Reply #68 on: 13 Nov 2024, 12:35 am »






I just treated first reflection points and strategically placed some furniture around the room.






WannaBeHiFi

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Re: Searching for Soundstage
« Reply #69 on: 13 Nov 2024, 02:32 am »

I just treated first reflection points and strategically placed some furniture around the room.


Nice!  Thanks for sharing.   How are those servo subs working for ya?  I've wondered about those as a possible future upgrade/addition.

KTS

Re: Searching for Soundstage
« Reply #70 on: 13 Nov 2024, 02:53 am »
Yes, I have used several subs, the amount of adjustment on the servo subs is excellent, they work well with every speaker I have tried. I also recommend the Schiit Freya+ preamp, very good quality sound especially for the money. I highly recommend living with a change for 50 to 100 hours before you make another change. If you change too much at a time it is hard to tell what is making the difference. Just my experience on the journey.