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Title: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: rustydoglim on 8 Nov 2009, 03:52 pm
Check out http://www.nuforce.com/hi/products/oppo_bdp83se/index.php (http://www.nuforce.com/hi/products/oppo_bdp83se/index.php)

You can also order the BDP-83SE and then upgrade later. If you have the BDP-83 and want to upgrade, submit the upgrade form on the upgrade web page.

We should be able to ship within 1+ weeks. 
Pre-order for 10% discount (30 day money back guarantee) at store.nuforce.com (http://store.nuforce.com)
Your credit card will be authorized for the amount but not charged until ship date.
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: srb on 8 Nov 2009, 04:05 pm
Jason,
 
I see several links on your website to > Visit OPPO BDP-83SE product page. (http://www.oppodigital.com/blu-ray-bdp-83/) but that just takes me to the Oppo BD-83 page.  I can't find reference to an SE edition on their website.
 
Steve
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: CG on 8 Nov 2009, 04:16 pm
Jason,

Are there any more details available on what goes into the Nu-Force Edition?

Clarke
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: ted_b on 8 Nov 2009, 04:43 pm
Jason,
So, as I read this, and the upgrade page (and your comments above) there are three offerings via Oppo and/or NuForce:

1) the standard BDP-83 sold by Oppo and Amazon,etc. that can be upgraded.  This upgrade costs $796 to get to the NuFOrce SE, or $396 to get to the stock SE?

2) the "stock" SE version ($895), available from ??  In which case, what does this stock SE include, other than the well-advertised Sabre DACs?  And you can go from standard to stock SE for $396?

3)  the SE Nuforce edition ($1295), described in your link, and sold by NuForce exclusively?  As per your link:
The Nuforce Edition elevates performance yet further by replacing critical analog components with the high-grade equivalents NuForce uses in its high-end audio components. The result is a better power supply and optimized analog signal paths. As always, the proof is in the listening. The improvements in stereo (CD, SACD, DVD-A, BD Audio), and L/R/C movie outputs are clearly audible. 

Does this mean no improvements to the analog surround channels?  Will the improved PS have an indirect improvement on those intent on HDMI connections for their audio (and video, of course)?


A bit confusing.  We need some level setting, thanks.
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: PeteG on 8 Nov 2009, 04:56 pm
I too would like to know the difference between upgrades. I won't be using a HDMI into a processer, all analog.
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: sac8d4 on 8 Nov 2009, 06:41 pm
Jason,

 The BDP-83 upgrade form seems to not be working, I am likely to go this route and take advantage of the trade in program after hearng about the Nuforce upgrades? How will the Nuforce edition SE say compare to your new CD-8 as a redbook player?
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: nuforce-casey on 8 Nov 2009, 09:21 pm
Oppo BDP-83 - Uses Cirrus Logic DAC
Oppo BDP-83 SE - Uses ESS Sabre32 DAC (x2) + different power supply from regular BDP-83.
Oppo BDP-83 Nuforce Edition - Further upgrade on the Sabre32 platform

The improved power supply is on the analog audio supplies, so there should be no impact to the HDMI output.  However, we believe the analog output on both the SE and Nuforce edition could easily better most HDMI processors (unless you are using $7K plus processor that does fancy DSP re-clocking like Lexicon or Meridian).

Nuforce Edition does not add/replace the original SE power supply, we change the regulation and other related circuit as necessary as to power the different analog output stage. 

Since the SE is already very good, easily better or equal to audiophile CD Player up to $2500, and we do have limitation on board space:  50% of the SE board real estate is allocated for the 2-channel stereo, while the other 50% is used by all of the 8-channel (running off a single 8-channel Sabre32), and therefore, we keep the surround channels' analog circuit unchanged.  However, since the power supply regulation has been changed, the surround channels benefits from better/stiffer regulation.

To upgrade a regular BDP-83 to SE or Nuforce Edition, both the analog DAC board and the original power supply must be replaced.

Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: nuforce-casey on 8 Nov 2009, 09:25 pm
How will the Nuforce edition SE say compare to your new CD-8 as a redbook player?

The Nuforce CDP-08 is extremely good.  It's designed to be one of the best Redbook CD playback device, optimized from the DSP algorithm to the circuit design.  Playing back a CD on CDP-08 will be a revelation.

The concept of CDP08 is that it doesn't do unsampling nor bit-extrapolation - these algorithms are afterthoughts given the fact that conventional Optical drive provides a compromised data retrieval.  With CDP08's new DSP platform, the Redbook data retrieval comes with sophisticated error-corrections, we have the best 16-bit data retrieval, and then it's slaved to the DAC to reduce jitter, and outputs at 384Fs oversampling, at pure 16-bit, to an AKM Hybrid DAC, so we combine the performance of an R2R and a Delta-Sigma DAC.

The BDP-83 has a different set of challenges.  For BD playback, we are looking at 192kHz/24-bit, SACD (DSD), and all formats must be supported.  Sabre32 is such a DAC that can accept all sorts of digital formats.  The analog output stage on the BDP-83 nuforce edition is essentially similar to the one used in CDP-08.

So the sonic differences between the BDP-83 Nuforce Edition and the CDP-08 are mainly the sonic difference in 2 completely different approaches and concepts.


Casey

Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: nuforce-casey on 8 Nov 2009, 09:58 pm
One word about re-clocking for the 'clock obsessed':

There are modifications on the Oppo players that included very expensive 'super clock mods'  Oppo uses 1 master clock reference for everything, putting a more fancy clock is still subject to the jitter performance of the chipset's internal clock generator.

With the Sabre32 DAC, the DAC runs off an independent clock, without going into details, ESS claims they can reduce the incoming jitter by running a separate clock into the Sabre32, and that's how the Oppo SE board is setup.  A separate clock powers both the onboard Sabre32 DAC, with the clock essentially sitting next to the Sabre32 used for the 2-channel stereo.  Operating in this mode, the Sabre32 DACs ignore the incoming MCLK and use their local reference clock.
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: Christof on 8 Nov 2009, 10:36 pm
Sounds like a killer CD player :thumb:  Is the ESS Sabre32 set up to take 24/96?
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: ted_b on 8 Nov 2009, 11:07 pm
Sounds like a killer CD player :thumb:  Is the ESS Sabre32 set up to take 24/96?

Of course, but so was the "old" one.  To decode audio codecs like TrueHD (like any other decoding BD player) and DVD-A, etc the DAC chip needs to be able to do 24/192. 
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: Christof on 9 Nov 2009, 02:24 am
My question pertains to the USB input....assuming there is one and also assuming the Oppo will accept USB input from a pc?  I realize the Sabre32 is 32 bit but is it possible to use this modded player as a USB dac as well?
Thx
c.
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: weewee43 on 9 Nov 2009, 01:24 pm
hello,
i'm a french Nuforce customer and i'm interested in the OPPO/NUFORCE BD player.
in France,the price is outrageously high! :evil: :evil: :evil:
i'll have to pay about 1500 euros=$2250.
can you believe that?
i know the euro is high,but,come on!,surely not this high!
Nuforce can't do something about it? :cry: :evil: :cry:
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: ted_b on 9 Nov 2009, 03:03 pm
My question pertains to the USB input....assuming there is one and also assuming the Oppo will accept USB input from a pc?  I realize the Sabre32 is 32 bit but is it possible to use this modded player as a USB dac as well?
Thx
c.

No, The Oppo 83 is not a USB DAC, per se (i.e it won't take streamed data of a computer's USB output).  It's USB ports are for digital files off a formatted thumb drive (videos, pictures and music files...or firmware updates).
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: John Casler on 9 Nov 2009, 08:47 pm
hello,
i'm a french Nuforce customer and i'm interested in the OPPO/NUFORCE BD player.
in France,the price is outrageously high! :evil: :evil: :evil:
i'll have to pay about 1500 euros=$2250.
can you believe that?
i know the euro is high,but,come on!,surely not this high!
Nuforce can't do something about it? :cry: :evil: :cry:

How much is the OPPO BDP-83 by itself if you purchase it there?  Maybe you could save a bit by sending it in for the upgrade?

I am an OPPO dealer and know there is not much margin in the Player itself.
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: weewee43 on 10 Nov 2009, 02:26 am
hello,
i'm a french Nuforce customer and i'm interested in the OPPO/NUFORCE BD player.
in France,the price is outrageously high! :evil: :evil: :evil:
i'll have to pay about 1500 euros=$2250.
can you believe that?
i know the euro is high,but,come on!,surely not this high!
Nuforce can't do something about it? :cry: :evil: :cry:

How much is the OPPO BDP-83 by itself if you purchase it there?  Maybe you could save a bit by sending it in for the upgrade?

I am an OPPO dealer and know there is not much margin in the Player itself.

unfortunately,there's no european oppo bdp 83,so it would be too expensive to order one from the states,and send it back to nuforce to get the upgrade.

maybe i'll find the oppo/nuforce player cheaper,on the net in another country.
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: sac8d4 on 10 Nov 2009, 05:36 am
Jason or Casey,

You have given a general list of upgrades, but can you be specific with the analog section such as what opamps are be using, or is it a discrete circuit sans opamps. How have you redesigned the anlaog circuit? How has the powersupply been beefed up from the upgraded PS that Oppo is putting in their SE version?
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: rustydoglim on 10 Nov 2009, 05:44 am
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unfortunately,there's no european oppo bdp 83,so it would be too expensive to order one from the states,and send it back to nuforce to get the upgrade.

maybe i'll find the oppo/nuforce player cheaper,on the net in another country.

You just explained part of the reasons your distributor has to charge a high price. We all have slim margin to work with. Import, service & support, shipping cost all add up to the price you pay there.  I guess the consolation is that other high-end Blu-ray players are selling for several thousands Euro there and they might not sound as good.  Some internet sites even reported that a few of these players are "OPPO Inside"   :wink:

We tell it like it is and we justify for the extra cost with our modification and brand on it.
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: nuforce-casey on 10 Nov 2009, 07:32 am
You have given a general list of upgrades, but can you be specific with the analog section such as what opamps are be using, or is it a discrete circuit sans opamps. How have you redesigned the anlaog circuit? How has the powersupply been beefed up from the upgraded PS that Oppo is putting in their SE version?
We provide the general description only.  The specifics are Nuforce proprietary information.

Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: Curly Woods on 10 Nov 2009, 10:14 am
Wow that seems just a little bit paranoid.  Why is asking too much for the basic upgrades that warrant the price increases for your version of this modified unit?  Modwright seems to be more forth coming of their upgrades.  It is just a question to find out what has been changed and why it is worth the cost to a potential buyer don't you think?
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: antr on 10 Nov 2009, 10:57 am
Hi Jason..
I hope no changes are made in term of used power supply, so it can be used with 230V/50Hz with the same result....

Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: srb on 10 Nov 2009, 02:57 pm
When NuForce was asked what DAC chip was used in the upcoming NuForce DAC, the reply was:
 
"We do not disclose anything internal and we wipe off the label on most critical chips. Disclosing what's inside could be misleading and confusing to many users. Two vendors could achieve very different result in audio quality even if they use the same DAC. There are so many other factors involved."
 
It is true that using a particular chip doesn't guarantee performance, and that implementation of the chip itself is just as important, or even more important.  Realizing this, virtually every other DAC manufacturer feels comfortable in specifying which chip is used.
 
Whether it is paranoia, or perhaps previous experience with a competitor trying to "reverse engineer" their product, most consumers will want to know some details of what they are being asked to buy, beyond the manufacturer simply saying that it has an "improved power supply" or that there is a "further upgrade on the Sabre32 platform"
 
Perhaps that is not a consideration for the existing loyal NuForce customer base, but is certainly a huge factor in trying to attract new buyers.
 
Steve
 
 

 
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: cesarad on 10 Nov 2009, 03:58 pm
I'm an European customer (Italian); what about Region & Zone codes? the Oppo is region & zone free or i need a hardware upgrade? Eventually who should upgrade the player, Nuforce or i have to do it from myself?
Thanks
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: TomK1 on 10 Nov 2009, 05:22 pm
Perhaps that is not a consideration for the existing loyal NuForce customer base, but is certainly a huge factor in trying to attract new buyers.
 
Steve

Well, if they want to have "secret sauce" that's fine to a point...  But there has to be at least some kind of general disclosure about what is going on for me to want to step up. 

There are a few ways to mod a player and I wouldn't be interested in paying for "replaced capacitors with better capacitors" type mods but I am very interested in "replaced OPAMPS in I/V stage with passive IV stage or "redesigned power supply" (rather than just adding more capacitance).  (BTW, does anyone know if the ES9016 DAC is current or voltage output?

Those of us with passive preamps would want to know if they are upgrading the output stage opamps (assuming there are opamps in the SE player as oppo ships it) or if they are just bypassed altogether.

There are some general approaches to designing a power supply or an output stage and to the extent that they are altering the player from one approach to another, I'd like to hear about it.  I don't need to see the schematic drawings (and I wouldn't know how to read them anyway).

On another note, what kind of relationship does NuForce have with Oppo anyway?  Are they some kind of "authorized reseller" that has oppo's official support to produce a special edition of their player, or are they "just a regular aftermarket modding outfit"?

Can't wait to get my hands on one version or another of this player...
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: ted_b on 10 Nov 2009, 06:42 pm
I agree that this rollout of the SE has been a mess (at least to the consumers, if you take in all the comments here and on AVS), and clearly rushed.  First it was leaked via several sites, then ESS (chip maker) puts out a large ad in TAS that pre-empts Oppo's press releases, and references an Oppo site that has no new info.  NuForce, up till now never seen as a 3rd party upgrade or mod company, also leaks the SE idea a few days before it is ready.  Then NuForce announces the programs on their website (still no word from Oppo) yet within hours they change the program (rescind all but the NuForce Edition pre-order discounts, etc).   

To further the confusion, Oppo fianally announces, and offers an Oppo-only trade-in/upgrade program that delivers SE internals and a standard faceplate (for $100 less than SE MSRP).  Through all this confusion neither Oppo nor NuForce offer enough technical details (like answers to the above post) that are required when selling to the audiophile (their own words) market.  As both companies have stated in the past, the value to the audiophile is in better analog-like sound, not necessarily the latest chip. 

So, I guess at the end of the day I'm asking these questions:
1)  What in NuForce's short albeit successful direct manufacturing history makes them a choice for 3rd party modifications and upgrades?
2)  Why should we assume that swapping out what has now been a successful value-leader combo of chips and wire for newer chips and wire (no real redesign, at least none documented) will result in a successful recipe that actually tastes (sounds) better than the proven original?  The classic adage "more is not always better" springs to mind.
3)  If the SE version has not yet been delivered how will we know the value of the upgrades (NuForce Edition) product it replaces?
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: CG on 10 Nov 2009, 08:23 pm
I'm not sure that is really fair.  This product release may have been less than perfect (I still haven't gotten any confirmation or reply on my own upgrade order, for example) but the technical information has been available, at least for the Oppo SE version.

Well before TAS hit mailboxes, Music Direct had the BDP-83 SE listed for sale on their web page.  Availability and pricing were right there.  At least until that page was pulled down.  (You can still find it if you look in various web page cache locations.)

Even before that, like months before, someone from NuForce mentioned, on this very online forum, that they were working with Oppo on an improved version of the BDP-83.  Based on that and the associated comments from NuForce representatives, it seems plausible that NuForce helped Oppo with this audio upgrade.

So, none of this is much of a surprise.  Or shouldn't be.

From Oppo's own web page you can look at the replacement audio PC board used in the SE version.  You can see for yourself what DACs are used and so on.  Yeah, you can't read the part numbers on some of the parts, but systems have been reverse engineered with less information.

NuForce has a policy of not telling anybody much of anything regarding circuit details.  So, you have to take the value of their changes on faith.  Do they change out a few parts?  Or is it a different pc board?  Magic incantations?  I guess the first person who takes the lid off will find out.

Oppo supplies this product to several other manufacturers who who use some or all of the innards to build a new product on.  Ayre's Charles Hansen has already told the world what they are doing with the BDP-83 in their new player.  Other companies aren't so forthcoming.  And I'm not talking about NuForce, either.
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: ted_b on 10 Nov 2009, 08:33 pm
No one said it was a surprise; hardly.  And the Music Direct example is but one more example that supports the position that this rollout was clumsy at best.  If you feel the technical info is enough for you to make an informed purchase decision, then fine.  I'm not making a judgment there at all (hell, I've bought big buck speakers without listening to them   :o  :) ).  But I believe that the upgrade/modifications, especially in light of coming the same day as the stock product release (SE), should have more info than (in your own words) .."So, you have to take the value of their changes on faith.  Do they change out a few parts?  Or is it a different pc board?  Magic incantations?  I guess the first person who takes the lid off will find out."
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: CG on 10 Nov 2009, 08:51 pm
I am of the mind that a detailed explanation of the circuitry is of interest, and something to feed my curiosity, but that's it.  Same for a schematic. 

A spectrum analyzer plot of THD only can tell you whether something is really wrong. 

I have spent countless hours in front of the most exotic audio test equipment trying to measure why some circuits sound different than others.  Since any of the circuits I tried were of equal desirability to me, except for the sound, I don't think I was falling prey to some imagined placebo or any of that.  I just learned that while I could spot trends and learned some areas that should be optimized, I couldn't entirely predict how something would sound based on measurements, at least to my taste.  (That is not generally true with video, oddly enough...)

In the end the overall execution is what counts.  And for that you need to listen to it.  These days that's very hard with the moribund state of audio and video stores.  So, you do need to take things on faith to a degree.

Personally, I don't care how the product roll-out was handled.  I'm not a dealer nor do I own stock in any of the companies involved - that is their business.  I can see why some people might be dismayed, but life is too short to worry about a week either way on some audio-video product.  At least to me.
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: plivac on 10 Nov 2009, 10:50 pm
This was a VERY GOOD marketing move by NUForce......  :icon_twisted:

Even if the improvement over SE (or for that matter standard 83) is minimal.....
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: John151 on 10 Nov 2009, 11:15 pm
Doh, wrong thread.  Never mind. 
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: ted_b on 10 Nov 2009, 11:17 pm
I thought digital VC was frowned upon as it reduces resolution.  Is this not true? 

I certainly don't need a VC on a DAC:  SB3 -> EE DAC -> pre-amp gives me 3 VCs!  Seems like overkill for my set up.

What do you mean?  What is VC?  How do you have a Squeezebox 3 talking to this DAC chip in the Oppo??
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: John151 on 10 Nov 2009, 11:28 pm
ted - Sorry, I posted in the wrong thread (intended for the EE DAC thread).  You must have qouted me as I was updating my post to say "nevermid". 
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: sac8d4 on 11 Nov 2009, 12:22 am
You have given a general list of upgrades, but can you be specific with the analog section such as what opamps are be using, or is it a discrete circuit sans opamps. How have you redesigned the anlaog circuit? How has the powersupply been beefed up from the upgraded PS that Oppo is putting in their SE version?
We provide the general description only.  The specifics are Nuforce proprietary information.

As a potential owner of the Nuforce Edition and owner of Nuforce products , I dont think it is too much to ask for what general chnages what Nuforce has changed from the OPPO SE, such as changed opamps, or  changes in caps, etc. Nuforce can't give that general information? I am as well interested in the Nuforce Edition, however I would like to know how it differs from the stardard SE version. I am even considering sending off the SE version to Modwright, however I want to justify my purchase, If I am able to hear a little more about the Nuforce, I think It may be a better bang for the buck assuming you are able to give potential customers a  little more information what has been changed underthe hood of the Nuforce SE vs the Oppo SE.
Also, the link for the upgrade form (on the nuforce website) appears to not be working...
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: nuforce-casey on 11 Nov 2009, 02:02 am
Now that Oppo has provided an official upgrade for BDP83 to SE, Nuforce will refer all upgrade to Oppo.

http://www.oppodigital.com/blu-ray-bdp-83SE/blu-ray-BDP-83SE-UpgradeOption.aspx (http://www.oppodigital.com/blu-ray-bdp-83SE/blu-ray-BDP-83SE-UpgradeOption.aspx)
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: CG on 11 Nov 2009, 02:32 am
Casey,

You do mean upgrading BDP-83's sold prior to Nov 9 to SE status, don't you?  Or do you mean that Oppo will be doing all upgrades, including up to the NuForce edition?
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: ted_b on 11 Nov 2009, 02:35 am
Now that Oppo has provided an official upgrade for BDP83 to SE, Nuforce will refer all upgrade to Oppo.

http://www.oppodigital.com/blu-ray-bdp-83SE/blu-ray-BDP-83SE-UpgradeOption.aspx (http://www.oppodigital.com/blu-ray-bdp-83SE/blu-ray-BDP-83SE-UpgradeOption.aspx)

Casey,
All upgrades to Oppo?  I think you meant to say that any Oppo 83 that is purchased before Nov 9th will be upgraded by Oppo (for $299, without new faceplate).  Any Oppo bought after that date can be sent to NuForce for a $400 upgrade to SE, or a $796 one to the NuForce Edition (according to your latest website change).  Right??

No offense, but it's these kinds of terse announcements that perpetuate the confusion.
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: rustydoglim on 11 Nov 2009, 02:18 pm
Sorry, we were scrambling to provide the information so it is confusing. I think we sort it out now.
We don't do any BDP-83 to SE upgrade. If you purchase the BDP-83 before Nov 9, you can get the upgrade from OPPO at a good price.

If you want to upgrade to Nuforce Edition, you can send the BDP-83 to us and we'll take care of the whole transactions and deal with OPPO, or send to OPPO for upgrade and ask us to pick it up from OPPO. But don't send anything to us until you have been asked to do so. We have no spare boards for upgrade until after mid December.

If you have old BDP-83 and doesn't want to wait for upgrade (you could be waiting until Jan 2010), go with our trade-in offer.

We just publish further information via FAQ.
http://www.nuforce.com/hi/products/oppo_bdp83se/bdp83-upgrade.php (http://www.nuforce.com/hi/products/oppo_bdp83se/bdp83-upgrade.php)
http://www.nuforce.com/hi/products/oppo_bdp83se/bdp83-faq.php (http://www.nuforce.com/hi/products/oppo_bdp83se/bdp83-faq.php)

The upgrade form should be working, I just tried it: http://nuforce.com/tinc?key=480g62Wz&formname=OPPO_upgrade (http://nuforce.com/tinc?key=480g62Wz&formname=OPPO_upgrade)
Jason
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: rustydoglim on 11 Nov 2009, 02:32 pm
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Also, the link for the upgrade form (on the nuforce website) appears to not be working...

Your browser might have a popup blocker that blocked the new window.
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: ted_b on 11 Nov 2009, 02:40 pm
Jason,
Great idea on the FAQ's, thanks.

New question (popped up on AVS too):
As a consumer who has had several pieces modded I can attest for the value of a stronger more stable power supply.  Even things like video become cleaner and more vibrant when the better PS's are designed into an audio mod or upgrade.  Oppo (and NuForce to some extent) has been very careful to say that NO video and/or HDMI processing will be improved one iota with the SE versions (NuForce saying though that the surround channels, although not modded, will improve indirectly due to said PS upgrade).  Sooooooo, my question is this...Music Direct (an Oppo reseller) makes some very specific claims, on their website, about video blackness, color vibrancy, etc as benefits of the SE upgrade.  What have you seen in your testing?
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: CG on 11 Nov 2009, 03:18 pm
OK, just to be entirely clear on this.

NuForce will only upgrade BDP-83 SE players. 

If you purchased your BDP-83 prior to November 9th, it has to go to Oppo for the SE upgrade.  This upgrade option from Oppo expires at the end of this year.

NuForce can do the transaction with Oppo if the customer prefers (part of the $796 upgrade option).

NuForce likely will not have BDP-83 SE to NuForce Edition upgrade capability until perhaps as late as January.  (This suggests a void somewhere in the dates, but I presume that's all worked out.)

This correct??

Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: rustydoglim on 11 Nov 2009, 03:40 pm
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In the end the overall execution is what counts.  And for that you need to listen to it.
We did not want to spell out every change for many reasons and at the end it will invite all sorts of argument. You don't go to a high-end restaurant and demand that the chef tells you exactly what ingredients AND spices are in the food and how he cooks it!  The chef is able to create those wonderful food not simply because of his overnight creation, but years of practice and experimentation. That's what you pay for.
We spent a lot of time on figuring out where and how to improve the sound (we have the advantage of better access to information than other companies who do their independent mod).
We are all about sound quality.  We did made minor improvement on the L,R,C channels of the multi-channel output on the Nuforce Edition (the 2 channel section has the biggest improvement).
Correction: The SE and Nuforce Edition has no improvement over HDMI output.

Bottom line:
If you're a videophile and use HDMI, upgrading to SE gets you NO improvement.
If you're an audiophile and use the 2 channel as well as 7.1 analog out, then either SE or Nuforce Edition will be worth the price. If all you care is the 7.1 analog out, then it might not be worth the price to get the Nuforce Edition, the 83SE suits your need just fine.
If you want both a worldclass CDP and BD player, then run and get the NuForce Edition!
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: rustydoglim on 11 Nov 2009, 03:49 pm
OK, just to be entirely clear on this.

NuForce will only upgrade BDP-83 SE players. 

If you purchased your BDP-83 prior to November 9th, it has to go to Oppo for the SE upgrade.  This upgrade option from Oppo expires at the end of this year.

NuForce can do the transaction with Oppo if the customer prefers (part of the $796 upgrade option).

NuForce likely will not have BDP-83 SE to NuForce Edition upgrade capability until perhaps as late as January.  (This suggests a void somewhere in the dates, but I presume that's all worked out.)

This correct??

Mostly correct. :lol:
The biggest problem we all have right now is due to a big shortage of boards for upgrade.
Many of the BDP-83 requires PSU upgrade to SE so OPPO is the place to go. Then we take over the next step of the upgrade.
At some later point where there is sufficient boards and PSU, we can perhaps do the upgrade from 83 to 83SE Nuforce Edition. 

Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: rustydoglim on 11 Nov 2009, 03:52 pm
BTW, we never meant to make the announcement so soon.  The problem started when the ad that was scheduled came out on TAS. Anyway, things will start to settle down.
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: jopagi on 11 Nov 2009, 10:35 pm
The Oppo BDP-83 SE page indicates that while the stereo processing will be handled by a Sabre32 (ES9016) DAC chip, the 7.1 processing will be handled by a Sabre DAC (ES9006).   This is different from the Nuforce pages that indicate that both 7.1 and stereo processing will be upgraded to a Sabre32 DAC chip.   

Which one is correct?  From what I understand, there isn't any benefit to the ES9016 over the ES9006 for 7.1 use, so use of the less-expensive 9006 makes sense to me.

Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: ted_b on 11 Nov 2009, 10:41 pm
I know that they (NuForce) said Sabre32 for the 8 channels (on their FAQ page) but mark it down as a typo; it's described correctly in most of their descriptions.  The ESS and Oppo press releases are quite specific about the DAC chips:  A Sabre32 9016 for the 2 channel (4 dacs per side) and a Sabre Premium 9006 for the 7.1 channels (certainly an upgraded chip from the non-SE version, but not a Sabre32).  This must be what they call Sabre -rattling. :o
 :)
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: rustydoglim on 12 Nov 2009, 06:25 am
The typo has been corrected.
BTW, we just stopped taking order for Nuforce Edition. Almost all our allocated stocks have sold out. Check the product page and website for update about new stocks next week.
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: Pirius on 12 Nov 2009, 08:36 pm
Will the BDP-83SE upgrade enhance systems that use optical digital output to processor?
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: roscoeiii on 12 Nov 2009, 08:44 pm
According to the Oppo page on the SE, the stock BDP-83 does not seem to. The NuForce folks can speak to any potential improvements that their mod may make to the stock BDP-83 or the SE when the Oppo is used as a transport.
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: ted_b on 12 Nov 2009, 09:35 pm
Will the BDP-83SE upgrade enhance systems that use optical digital output to processor?

No, the improvements of the SE are strictly to the analog outputs.  Any very slight indirect general improvements caused by a better power supply are likely indistinguishable.
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: rustydoglim on 13 Nov 2009, 06:37 am
No digital improvement whatsoever.
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: rustydoglim on 18 Nov 2009, 12:13 pm
Latest shipping status update: BDP-83SE has left the factory and once we receive them either on 11/20 or 11/23, we can install the Nuforce Edition boards for shipping on 11/24 to 11/26.
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: rustydoglim on 20 Nov 2009, 01:47 pm
Ok, we will start to ship a few units on Friday (83SE just arrived last evening and we still need to install and test the NE boards) and then more next week. We will try to ship them out by Priority mail so people can get them before Thanksgiving weekend.
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: nuforce-casey on 21 Nov 2009, 12:14 am
OK, we are playing the 1st NE rolling off our production line now, this is our in-house unit and perhaps for reviewer later.  We have been working with several different R&D units and versions, the R&D units may already show some signs of worn, so this is the first real 'production' unit, with all the components factory soldered, instead of by my unsteady hands.

I must say that the power supply improvements and the circuit changes to the 7.1 makes a significant impact to the L/C/R on the 7.1 output as well, unlike some speculation that NE did not go all out for the 7.1.   I think the only difference is that the 7.1 is a bit mellow and more forgiving, the character of NE5532, and may actually be a very good thing for movie soundtrack playback.

The main stereo that receives the full metal jacket is ...., let's just leave the adjectives (or superlatives) to professional reviewers.  I'll just say that we are very proud of what we are hearing......  The few lucky ones will find out soon as we will ship a few units out today.


 
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: sac8d4 on 21 Nov 2009, 12:58 am
Any idea how many people are in the upgrade que (more specifically the trade in 83 for the Nuforce Edition)? I am supposedly in the que and wondered about how much time I would be looking at
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: sillysally on 21 Nov 2009, 11:13 am

The main stereo that receives the full metal jacket is ...., let's just leave the adjectives (or superlatives) to professional reviewers.  I'll just say that we are very proud of what we are hearing......  The few lucky ones will find out soon as we will ship a few units out today.

I am one of the few, and next Tuesday I will start to understand what you are saying.

Thanks Jason for your help.

ss
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: rustydoglim on 24 Nov 2009, 12:23 pm
There are nearly 70 people (including a few trade-in and upgrade) in the queue now and we are pretty much sold out of 2009 allocations since we have to allocate for distributors and dealers.  As soon as I can confirm with OPPO about the status of new shipment, we will start to contact those on the order queue to place order.

For those of you who are going to receive the OPPO in November, don't be shocked if the Nuforce Edition logo is missing on the top right corner.  We have to ship the logo separately during the first week of December. Gee, for whatever vanity reason, we decided to make it out of aluminum and that takes a long time!!!  A plastic sticker would be easy.

Jason
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: sac8d4 on 24 Nov 2009, 11:25 pm
I have signed up for the trade in que, will there be a limited time to be able to take advantage of the trade in opportunity?
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: sillysally on 25 Nov 2009, 01:07 am
Received my BD-83SE Nuforce Edition today. I will be playing later tonight with it.

I will not say what is shipped with it, because I don't want to spoil anybody's fun.

I will say the "Read Me First" addendum from Nuforce is more detailed about what Nuforce has done with there mods to this player. I think you will like what they say about there mods. :)

ss   
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: rustydoglim on 25 Nov 2009, 08:06 am
We have been nagged by people to provide more information but this is as far as we can go.
Besides competitive reason, there is also confidentiality reason. We have access to the circuit design and there is no easy way to describe what we changed (besides component upgrade).
If you compare the SE versus NE board, you will see a lot of caps upgrade, some parts removed  :scratch:, wires jumping over here and there, etc.

Jason
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: paul canady on 28 Nov 2009, 03:04 am
Nuforce is a very reputable company and only now do they get nagged about what they are doing to a cdp to make it better.
Sounds like the competiton is sending out there squirrels. Reading these posts I come across a guy who is a fanatic about Modwright and is battering Nuforce. It also seems fishy to me that the guy is so technical. Like he can do the mods himself or something. The proof is in the listening and not on paper. By the way this same gentleman slams other modders. Nuforce is :thumb: in my book.
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: tomcrown1 on 30 Nov 2009, 01:40 am
I have a question.  I,am in the que to upgrade by Oppo Se edition.  I live near your office so can I hand deliver the unit once I get the okay to upgrade? :o
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: ted_b on 30 Nov 2009, 01:46 am
Nuforce is a very reputable company and only now do they get nagged about what they are doing to a cdp to make it better.
Sounds like the competiton is sending out there squirrels. Reading these posts I come across a guy who is a fanatic about Modwright and is battering Nuforce. It also seems fishy to me that the guy is so technical. Like he can do the mods himself or something. The proof is in the listening and not on paper. By the way this same gentleman slams other modders. Nuforce is :thumb: in my book.

Paul,
What Modwright fan is slamming NuForce?    :scratch:  I am a longtime Modwright user/owner and know of few, if any, of Dan's customer base that would publicly slam NuForce.  Many of us own NuForce amps, etc.  It's one of the many things I like about the Modwright (and NuForce) community; they are professional.
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: antr on 2 Dec 2009, 06:17 pm
Hi, my first review from Sweden..
Oppo arrived yesterday on schedule, thanks Nuforce  :D
Hooked it up towards DVDO Edge and EPSON EM-TW2000 when it comes to video. Audio connection 7.1 analog against
Lexicon MV-5. Have sold me Krell KAV-3250 waiting for Nuforce MCH-300SEC7 so can at the moment only use LCR hooked up to Denon T3.
Anyway, setup was as easy as expected, however it was not possible to select source direct at the very first time via wizard. But after finish no problem selecting it in the setup menu. This is needed since my DVDO Edge is a little more flexible in settings.
Using default settings in most of the parameters shows a better picture on DVD.s than my standard player Yamaha S2700.
Will make calibration later on, to tune everything to best performence. Will as well make it region free to be able to use bluray dvd.s. Review later on.
When it comes to audio I can only review 2-channel CD at the moment and it performs even better to ESOUND Platinum Reference.  :P
So my expectations have been fulfilled and can't wait until my amp. arrives.
5.1 channel review coming up

//Anders
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: tomcrown1 on 14 Dec 2009, 07:40 pm
Nuforce customer service stinks.  Do not buy anything from them as they do not reply to your inquires.  Oppo always respond no matter how trivial the question may be.  Nuforce on the other hand never respond.!!!
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: andriani on 14 Dec 2009, 08:07 pm
hello, i am french and i have received my oppo nuforce from my french nuforce dealer:
      1 i am very enthusiastic with this machine i think the  sound  is equal an linn unidisk 2.1 in stereo and sacd :P

     2 the  video  is ok with free blue ray and dvd :P

BUT i have a problem with LFE channel (subwoofer) it can be activated ( no sound) :evil: . I have tested the different channels with the BLue ray AIX AUDIO, but the LFE ( subwoofer) does not work ( i have verified  connectics)
is it a problem with sound card or firmware ? We are two with the similar problem ( we bought it in  france )
thanks to help us NUFORCE JASON  :roll:
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: nuforce-casey on 15 Dec 2009, 01:04 am
hello, i am french and i have received my oppo nuforce from my french nuforce dealer:
      1 i am very enthusiastic with this machine i think the  sound  is equal an linn unidisk 2.1 in stereo and sacd :P

     2 the  video  is ok with free blue ray and dvd :P

BUT i have a problem with LFE channel (subwoofer) it can be activated ( no sound) :evil: . I have tested the different channels with the BLue ray AIX AUDIO, but the LFE ( subwoofer) does not work ( i have verified  connectics)
is it a problem with sound card or firmware ? We are two with the similar problem ( we bought it in  france )
thanks to help us NUFORCE JASON  :roll:
Please contact support via 'support@nuforce.com'. 
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: sillysally on 15 Dec 2009, 09:22 am
Don't think your problem has anything to do with your BD-83NE, it has to do with how you have setup your NE and or your AV. This seems to be a question that many BD-83/Se/and now NE owners have asked about. Go to AVS forum, BD-83SE analog audio thread. I am sure you will find out why you are unable to get your LFE working.

ss


hello, i am french and i have received my oppo nuforce from my french nuforce dealer:
      1 i am very enthusiastic with this machine i think the  sound  is equal an linn unidisk 2.1 in stereo and sacd :P

     2 the  video  is ok with free blue ray and dvd :P

BUT i have a problem with LFE channel (subwoofer) it can be activated ( no sound) :evil: . I have tested the different channels with the BLue ray AIX AUDIO, but the LFE ( subwoofer) does not work ( i have verified  connectics)
is it a problem with sound card or firmware ? We are two with the similar problem ( we bought it in  france )
thanks to help us NUFORCE JASON  :roll:
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: sillysally on 15 Dec 2009, 09:26 am
Sorry to read this. But I am sure you will get a reply now.

I have had nothing but great service from Nuforce.

ss


Nuforce customer service stinks.  Do not buy anything from them as they do not reply to your inquires.  Oppo always respond no matter how trivial the question may be.  Nuforce on the other hand never respond.!!!
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: rustydoglim on 15 Dec 2009, 11:37 am
Quote
I have a question.  I,am in the que to upgrade by Oppo Se edition.  I live near your office so can I hand deliver the unit once I get the okay to upgrade?
Nuforce customer service stinks.  Do not buy anything from them as they do not reply to your inquires.  Oppo always respond no matter how trivial the question may be.  Nuforce on the other hand never respond.!!!

We have no Nuforcce Edition for your upgrade at this time! There is a long queue ahead of the upgrade and we made it clear from day one that those new orders get higher priority.
We made it very clear to everyone who inquire about the upgrade to be patient. We explained in clearly that you have to WAIT. So if you keep trying to contact us to ask for upgrade, what do you expect us to do?  We have no answer for you.  We never intentionally ignore any customer.

We have been rushing to get about 100 OPPO Nuforce Edition out the door this week. The Nuforce Edition boards just came in last Friday. Our staff worked during the weekend and two of them are coming in this morning at 5 am!  On top of all the OPPO, this is a peak holiday season and we have record breaking sales for our consumer retail products.

Please be patient and you will have your turn. Judging from your posting, you are never going to buy a Nuforce product anyway. I am sorry this is how it turns out for you. Our conscient is clear  :)

By the way, you must be new to this forum.  This is NOT our support forum. We only visit this forum whenever we have time.  If you have emailed directsales@nuforce.com (or salesteam) for the upgrade, you will get a response for sure.
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: tomcrown1 on 15 Dec 2009, 07:35 pm
Quote
I have a question.  I,am in the que to upgrade by Oppo Se edition.  I live near your office so can I hand deliver the unit once I get the okay to upgrade?
Nuforce customer service stinks.  Do not buy anything from them as they do not reply to your inquires.  Oppo always respond no matter how trivial the question may be.  Nuforce on the other hand never respond.!!!

We have no Nuforcce Edition for your upgrade at this time! There is a long queue ahead of the upgrade and we made it clear from day one that those new orders get higher priority.
We made it very clear to everyone who inquire about the upgrade to be patient. We explained in clearly that you have to WAIT. So if you keep trying to contact us to ask for upgrade, what do you expect us to do?  We have no answer for you.  We never intentionally ignore any customer.

We have been rushing to get about 100 OPPO Nuforce Edition out the door this week. The Nuforce Edition boards just came in last Friday. Our staff worked during the weekend and two of them are coming in this morning at 5 am!  On top of all the OPPO, this is a peak holiday season and we have record breaking sales for our consumer retail products.

Please be patient and you will have your turn. Judging from your posting, you are never going to buy a Nuforce product anyway. I am sorry this is how it turns out for you. Our conscient is clear  :)

By the way, you must be new to this forum.  This is NOT our support forum. We only visit this forum whenever we have time.  If you have emailed directsales@nuforce.com (or salesteam) for the upgrade, you will get a response for sure.

Sorry for the angry post.  I was mad because I tried calling nuforce and got a recording every time I
called.  I have also written 2 E-Mail to customer support with no reply.  I was concerned that Nuforce would not offer the upgrade.  I got an E-Mail telling me that I could buy the nuforce se unit--I wanted the upgrade.  Your posting explained what happen thanks.  I will buy the Nuforce 7 channel amp my believe for you company is back. 
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: rustydoglim on 16 Dec 2009, 03:59 pm
hello, i am french and i have received my oppo nuforce from my french nuforce dealer:
      1 i am very enthusiastic with this machine i think the  sound  is equal an linn unidisk 2.1 in stereo and sacd :P

     2 the  video  is ok with free blue ray and dvd :P

BUT i have a problem with LFE channel (subwoofer) it can be activated ( no sound) :evil: . I have tested the different channels with the BLue ray AIX AUDIO, but the LFE ( subwoofer) does not work ( i have verified  connectics)
is it a problem with sound card or firmware ? We are two with the similar problem ( we bought it in  france )
thanks to help us NUFORCE JASON  :roll:

It is only an incompatibility with the AIX test disc, will not affect normal movies. You can download the latest firmware from OPPO.
Please refer to support note:
Quote
http://www.nuforce.com/hi/support/oppo/bdp83ne-note.html
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: sac8d4 on 24 Dec 2009, 04:25 pm
hello, i am french and i have received my oppo nuforce from my french nuforce dealer:
      1 i am very enthusiastic with this machine i think the  sound  is equal an linn unidisk 2.1 in stereo and sacd :P

     2 the  video  is ok with free blue ray and dvd :P

BUT i have a problem with LFE channel (subwoofer) it can be activated ( no sound) :evil: . I have tested the different channels with the BLue ray AIX AUDIO, but the LFE ( subwoofer) does not work ( i have verified  connectics)
is it a problem with sound card or firmware ? We are two with the similar problem ( we bought it in  france )
thanks to help us NUFORCE JASON  :roll:

It is only an incompatibility with the AIX test disc, will not affect normal movies. You can download the latest firmware from OPPO.
Please refer to support note:
Quote
http://www.nuforce.com/hi/support/oppo/bdp83ne-note.html

Jason, I seem to be having this very problem I have tried to get any sound out of the LFE on blu ray discs through my AVP-17, I can't figure this out, it makes no sense what so ever. My Nuforce Edition is hooked up exactly the same way as my old BDP-83, when watching/listening to 5.1/7.1 material I am not getting anything out of the LFE, I have even compensated for dolby/dts with the 10 db increase to sub volume, my avp-17 is handling all bass management, any ideas? BTW, I running the recommended Oppo firmware available linked from your site
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: rustydoglim on 25 Dec 2009, 10:22 pm
Quote
Jason, I seem to be having this very problem I have tried to get any sound out of the LFE on blu ray discs through my AVP-17, I can't figure this out, it makes no sense what so ever. My Nuforce Edition is hooked up exactly the same way as my old BDP-83, when watching/listening to 5.1/7.1 material I am not getting anything out of the LFE, I have even compensated for dolby/dts with the 10 db increase to sub volume, my avp-17 is handling all bass management, any ideas? BTW, I running the recommended Oppo firmware available linked from your site

Some of the 1st batch (shipped in November) of OPPO Nuforce Edition has the LFE disabled by mistake, we have emailed every end users (who purchased directly) and also all distributors.  Please email directsales@nuforce.com and we will take care of it. If you're in the US, we'll pay for express shipping to have it fixed asap. If you're outside of US, we'll work with your distributor.

Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: sac8d4 on 26 Dec 2009, 05:54 pm
Jason,

Has this same issue been found on the batch that were shipped mid December? This is when I received mine...

Also, is Nuforce not recommending the use of the BETA firmware (for the nuforce edition) that Oppo recently released with the new features such as DLNA and BluTV?
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: nuforce-casey on 26 Dec 2009, 09:36 pm
Jason,

Has this same issue been found on the batch that were shipped mid December? This is when I received mine...

Also, is Nuforce not recommending the use of the BETA firmware (for the nuforce edition) that Oppo recently released with the new features such as DLNA and BluTV?
As a policy, Oppo never recommends installing FW that's not officially released unless experiencing specific difficulties.  The latest FW being a Beta copy, so we follow their recommendation.
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: PeteG on 27 Dec 2009, 02:37 am
Thinking of picking up an Oppo BDP-83SE and later on having it upgraded, will you be offering the upgrade for a while?
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: nuforce-casey on 27 Dec 2009, 06:55 pm
Hi,
We will be providing upgrade in 2010, and yes, we will continue doing this as long as the upgrade business remains viable.
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: westmd on 16 Jan 2010, 11:40 am
I am living in Germany and have a Lexicon MC-1.This one has no native 7.1 analog input but it can be upgraded for one which I am planning to do. I do not listen to music CD's, SACD's or DVD audio at all. Only use is for movies. I am confused now if the Nuforce Edition would be worth getting or if the BD83-SE would be sufficient? What is your opinion?
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: WerTicus on 16 Jan 2010, 01:55 pm
could always spend more on a lexicon!

http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/transports/high-definition-dvd-players-hd-dvd-blu-ray/lexicon-bd-30-blu-ray-oppo-clone/oppo-inside-lexicon-outside-1
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: westmd on 16 Jan 2010, 03:49 pm
Thanks for the information! But I think the MC1 preamp is genuine!  :D
The question was more if there are any audible differences in 7.1 analog output between the 83 SE and the 83SE/NE as some people even claim that between the 83 and 83 SE is no difference to be heard.
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: ted_b on 16 Jan 2010, 03:54 pm
No diff between 83 and SE in multichannel??? Hardly.  Huge differences (especially via DSD)!  Those Sabre DACs are at work.  I document via my reviews on AVS and cut-pasted a synopsis here (another thread).  The NuForce upgrade, although primarily the front three channels, will take it even further.  :)
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: PeteG on 16 Jan 2010, 04:36 pm
At some point I will do the NuForce upgrade but right now my SACD’s (2-ch) don’t sound too bad.
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: rustydoglim on 17 Jan 2010, 05:34 am
Thanks for the information! But I think the MC1 preamp is genuine!  :D
The question was more if there are any audible differences in 7.1 analog output between the 83 SE and the 83SE/NE as some people even claim that between the 83 and 83 SE is no difference to be heard.

if you only watch movies, 83SE is enough, don't get the NE.
We only made a minor improvement on the L,R,C of the 7.1 analog so not worth paying extra for NE if you don't use it for 2 channel listening.
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: sillysally on 17 Jan 2010, 10:16 am
if you only watch movies, 83SE is enough, don't get the NE.
We only made a minor improvement on the L,R,C of the 7.1 analog so not worth paying extra for NE if you don't use it for 2 channel listening.
But if you do have a very good 2ch system. then viewing BD with HD soundtracks is very good.
You are forgetting about the great stereo downmix for BD movies of the Oppo, using the 2ch Dedicated Stereo Output.
If you use a 2ch analog rig as I do the NE is better than the SE for movies.

Also Oppos new firmware Main Version: BDP83-48-1224
Loader Version: BE2650 or BT0350
Sub Version: MCU83-25-0811
is very stable and seems to improve the 2ch analog of the BD-83NE.
http://www.oppodigital.com/blu-ray-bdp-83/blu-ray-BDP-83-Support.aspx

Jason, is the BD-83NE region free?

ss
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: westmd on 17 Jan 2010, 11:18 am
I would go directly with 7.1 into my Lexicon. Why should I use a 2ch downmix?
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: sillysally on 17 Jan 2010, 12:56 pm
I would go directly with 7.1 into my Lexicon. Why should I use a 2ch downmix?

All I am saying is if you have a 2ch system like mine and view BD movies then by all means get the BD-83NE.
I also have a HDMI 7.1 Onkyo and 7.1 speaker system, but I only use it if there are more than 2 people viewing a movie. Why you ask, because that's how good my 2ch analog system is with the BD-83NE for HD soundtracks and of-course CD/SACD/DVD-A, MP3, ect.
If I had a top end HDMI 7.1 system and very good room acoustics then I probably would use it most of the time.
But as Jason said save your money and stay with a BD-83SE for 5.1/7.1 analog only use.

ss
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: rustydoglim on 23 Jan 2010, 01:12 pm
If you don't use the 2 stereo channels on the player, don't go with Nuforce Edition.  The improvement on L,R,C of the 7.1 analog outputs is minor.
But hey, some people would pay $3000 for a Lexicon case, why not $400 for a little L,R,C improvement.  OMG, I just saw the Lexicon review on audioholic.  I am speechless.
They could have approached us for a Nuforce improved Lexicon Edition   :eyebrows:
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: gerald porzio on 23 Jan 2010, 02:15 pm
They could have approached countless other modders too.
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: westmd on 23 Jan 2010, 03:19 pm
Pethaps I should get the Nuforce Edition and ask Lexicon for an empty case  :D
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: rustydoglim on 23 Jan 2010, 07:32 pm
But if you do have a very good 2ch system. then viewing BD with HD soundtracks is very good.
You are forgetting about the great stereo downmix for BD movies of the Oppo, using the 2ch Dedicated Stereo Output.
If you use a 2ch analog rig as I do the NE is better than the SE for movies.

Also Oppos new firmware Main Version: BDP83-48-1224
Loader Version: BE2650 or BT0350
Sub Version: MCU83-25-0811
is very stable and seems to improve the 2ch analog of the BD-83NE.
http://www.oppodigital.com/blu-ray-bdp-83/blu-ray-BDP-83-Support.aspx

Jason, is the BD-83NE region free?

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Oh yes, I mainly use 2.1 in the family room and you are absolutely right, NE version will be awesome. 

I won't say anything about region free stuff. Not in public anyway.
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: beachbum on 23 Jan 2010, 09:18 pm
Hello i see that OPPO is releasing the BDP 80 on Monday. Will it be worthy of SE upgrade?
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: sillysally on 24 Jan 2010, 01:25 pm
If you don't use the 2 stereo channels on the player, don't go with Nuforce Edition.  The improvement on L,R,C of the 7.1 analog outputs is minor.
But hey, some people would pay $3000 for a Lexicon case, why not $400 for a little L,R,C improvement.  OMG, I just saw the Lexicon review on audioholic.  I am speechless.
They could have approached us for a Nuforce improved Lexicon Edition   :eyebrows:

Ya the Lexicon is a joke. Here's the link.
http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/transports/high-definition-dvd-players-hd-dvd-blu-ray/lexicon-bd-30-blu-ray-oppo-clone/oppo-inside-lexicon-outside-1

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Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: sac8d4 on 27 Jan 2010, 02:40 am
I have a dilema with my recently repaired Oppo BDP-83 SE Nuforce Edition. I still seem to be having issues with the LFE, no audio out of the LFE, I have dismantled my system hooked everything back up and still nothing. I know the problem does not lie with the Nuforce AVP17 in which it is connected to, the LFE in fact works. Since the nuforce 2 channel discrete analog outs pass through sub frequencies to the sub, this works excellent. However when I try to play any multichannel audio I get nothing out of the sub. This is all quite aggrevating considering when I had my initial Oppo BDP-83 in my system everything worked flawless. Jason or Casey, any Idea what the heck is wrong? I have now had the Nuforce edition BDP-83SE back from you guys for a week maybe and it does not seem to be working as it should.
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: John Casler on 27 Jan 2010, 03:16 am
I have a dilema with my recently repaired Oppo BDP-83 SE Nuforce Edition. I still seem to be having issues with the LFE, no audio out of the LFE, I have dismantled my system hooked everything back up and still nothing. I know the problem does not lie with the Nuforce AVP17 in which it is connected to, the LFE in fact works. Since the nuforce 2 channel discrete analog outs pass through sub frequencies to the sub, this works excellent. However when I try to play any multichannel audio I get nothing out of the sub. This is all quite aggrevating considering when I had my initial Oppo BDP-83 in my system everything worked flawless. Jason or Casey, any Idea what the heck is wrong? I have now had the Nuforce edition BDP-83SE back from you guys for a week maybe and it does not seem to be working as it should.

You will get far quicker response from filling out a "support ticket".
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: rustydoglim on 27 Jan 2010, 12:17 pm
I have a dilema with my recently repaired Oppo BDP-83 SE Nuforce Edition. I still seem to be having issues with the LFE, no audio out of the LFE, I have dismantled my system hooked everything back up and still nothing. I know the problem does not lie with the Nuforce AVP17 in which it is connected to, the LFE in fact works. Since the nuforce 2 channel discrete analog outs pass through sub frequencies to the sub, this works excellent. However when I try to play any multichannel audio I get nothing out of the sub. This is all quite aggrevating considering when I had my initial Oppo BDP-83 in my system everything worked flawless. Jason or Casey, any Idea what the heck is wrong? I have now had the Nuforce edition BDP-83SE back from you guys for a week maybe and it does not seem to be working as it should.

Log a help desk ticket, call the office and ask Anna to send you a return shipping label. We need to take a look. Casey is out of the country but he will be back on Feb 1.
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: sillysally on 27 Jan 2010, 12:26 pm
I have a dilema with my recently repaired Oppo BDP-83 SE Nuforce Edition. I still seem to be having issues with the LFE, no audio out of the LFE, I have dismantled my system hooked everything back up and still nothing. I know the problem does not lie with the Nuforce AVP17 in which it is connected to, the LFE in fact works. Since the nuforce 2 channel discrete analog outs pass through sub frequencies to the sub, this works excellent. However when I try to play any multichannel audio I get nothing out of the sub. This is all quite aggrevating considering when I had my initial Oppo BDP-83 in my system everything worked flawless. Jason or Casey, any Idea what the heck is wrong? I have now had the Nuforce edition BDP-83SE back from you guys for a week maybe and it does not seem to be working as it should.

I have read many post like yours. Hear is to links that may help you.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=17817364#post17817364

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=18012825#post18012825

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Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: sac8d4 on 28 Jan 2010, 03:35 am
Thx sillysally, however the trim levels dont help anything, the player's mch LFE is not working period. this will be the second time it has been sent to Nuforce. I am not sure what exactly what was fixed last time it was sent back to nuforce, however Jason mentioned a resistor in the LFE. I just can't figure this out :banghead:
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: rustydoglim on 29 Jan 2010, 04:21 pm
Casey will be back at the office on 2/1 and he should be able to figure out.
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: globalkiwi on 18 Mar 2010, 07:18 pm
Can anyone point me to reviews - professional or user - of the BDP-83SE NE?  I'm particularly interested in a comparison of the SE & the NE but a review of the NE alone would be interesting too!
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: ted_b on 18 Mar 2010, 07:21 pm
Can anyone point me to reviews - professional or user - of the BDP-83SE NE?  I'm particularly interested in a comparison of the SE & the NE but a review of the NE alone would be interesting too!

The AVS Forum has plenty of reviews/feedback on all three models (stock, SE and NuForce).
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: globalkiwi on 18 Mar 2010, 07:33 pm
Really, I found only one review of the BDP-83 SE NE - on the analog discussion thread - am I looking in the wrong place?
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: nuforce-casey on 18 Mar 2010, 07:36 pm
How many reviews do you need?

Nuforce review (very well written):  http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=18276672#post18276672 (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=18276672#post18276672)

Comparison between SE and NE: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=17724558#post17724558 (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=17724558#post17724558)
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: globalkiwi on 18 Mar 2010, 07:43 pm
Thanks Casey, I'm specifically interested in the NuForce upgrade of the SE - & if possible comparisons between the two.  I'd read RobJK's comparison (which you linked) but was wondering if there was anything else out there.  I am considering the upgrade for my SE & was just looking for some (quasi) objective input before sending it off!
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: nuforce-casey on 18 Mar 2010, 08:33 pm
We can guarantee you that the improvements are out of proportion to the $400 we charge, and typical customer can easily spend this much or more for a power cord or interconnect to get less changes to their sound.  Plus unlike some of the 'surgery mods', we can reverse back to SE if the NE is not meeting your expectation.
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: globalkiwi on 18 Mar 2010, 09:18 pm
Thanks Casey - that's good to know! 
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: PeteG on 18 Mar 2010, 11:51 pm
My 83SE goes out tomorrow for the NuForce Edition upgrade. I hope for a quick turnaround.
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: talk2me on 3 Apr 2010, 06:23 pm
My 83SE goes out tomorrow for the NuForce Edition upgrade. I hope for a quick turnaround.

Hope for a quick report/review!  :thumb:
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: PeteG on 3 Apr 2010, 06:57 pm
Hope for a quick report/review!  :thumb:

Received it back today, will let it play a burn-in CD and give it a listen sometime tomorrow.
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: tomcrown1 on 5 Apr 2010, 12:02 am
Well, I just upgraded my Se to the Nuforce edition after a week burn in WOW this is the first time I can say my costly CDs $15.00 to $30.00 sound very near to a good vinyl recording.  I have never heard CDs sound this good. :drool:
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: KnowTalent on 19 Apr 2010, 08:24 pm
We can guarantee you that the improvements are out of proportion to the $400 we charge, and typical customer can easily spend this much or more for a power cord or interconnect to get less changes to their sound.  Plus unlike some of the 'surgery mods', we can reverse back to SE if the NE is not meeting your expectation.


Do your mods change output voltage?
Have you run any bench measurements showing reduction in THD+N and/or IMD?



Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: Bear on 19 Apr 2010, 11:17 pm
Is there a way to possibly mod the oppo bdp-83/se to be used as a dac from a computer, for lossless formats?  From my own experience and reading various forums this would be a VERY popular mod.
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: sac8d4 on 20 Apr 2010, 01:38 am
probably not quite the way you are inquiring about, but you could stream FLAC by the means of a DLNA-capable media server (transoded to LCPM) to the OPPO. check out this thread http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1215071&highlight=oppo
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: globalkiwi on 20 Apr 2010, 02:38 am
Does the NuForce mod alter the region-specific feature of the BDP-83SE - i.e make it an all region player?
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: rustydoglim on 21 Apr 2010, 03:37 am
Is there a way to possibly mod the oppo bdp-83/se to be used as a dac from a computer, for lossless formats?  From my own experience and reading various forums this would be a VERY popular mod.

You would be better off using Icon HDP.  Oppo's internal DAC is not designed to work as a general purpose DAC.
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: rustydoglim on 21 Apr 2010, 03:39 am

Do your mods change output voltage?
Have you run any bench measurements showing reduction in THD+N and/or IMD?

No change in output voltage. Didn't do any measurement. What you and hundreds of Oppo NE customers heard is what you will get :). 
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: maligue on 5 May 2010, 10:23 am
To Jason / Casey
I have been able to test-listen to the CDP-8 for some weeks now; my impressions are most positive. The comparison is with the Bryston BCD-1, which is no slouch.
Before taking the leap, however, I would like to return to Casey's post on Nov. 8 2009 regarding similarities and differences between the Oppo NE and the CDP-8.
Is redbook playback on the two units roughly sonically equivalent - warm, harmonically rich, resolving but not overtly analytic, a somewhat forward rather than deep soundstage, 'emotionally' involving? I do not have at present the option of auditioning the Oppo NE.
The reason I ask has to do with added functions on the Oppo NE, that is, SACD playback (I am a 2 channel afficionado). if I knew (for sure) that the two players are intended - by Nuforce - to do Redbook replay in the same way, with the same sonic signatures, I would most likely shell out some more money for the Oppo NE (good for business  :eyebrows:!!) and thus put the not inconsiderable hybrid SACDs in my collection to 'better' use.
Please shed some light on this. Thanks in advance
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: nuforce-casey on 7 May 2010, 06:58 am
We still maintained that on Redbook playback, CDP08 is better than the Oppo NE.  I would say the Oppo NE would be closer to the Byrston.

Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: piercaub on 11 May 2010, 12:31 pm
Hello,

I try to get the most direct stereo signal between the Oppo 83NE and the power amp (an upgraded Quad 405).
I currently use the AVP17 as a preamp but a test with a direct connection between the Oppo and the Amp show me a clearer sound (even using to minimum the volume level on the Oppo) with more bass (around 18hz) and clearer highs.
A very simple but transparent attenuator should be able to preserve the Oppo signal, but in that case impedances matching will be essential.

In order to select the right attenuator, I should know the output impedance on the Oppo NE stereo analog outputs, but I cannot find this information ...

Otherwise, any advice or successful experience with this type of setting?
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: nuforce-casey on 11 May 2010, 07:36 pm
Oppo had a new firmware release that improves the resolution of the volume control, which may be helpful.

The output impedance is 100 ohm.
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: piercaub on 13 May 2010, 05:42 pm
Oppo had a new firmware release that improves the resolution of the volume control, which may be helpful.
The output impedance is 100 ohm.
Thank you, I have installed the new Oppo firmware.
The sound delivered by the Oppo 83NE is very good, open, precise and dynamic!
I will continue to compare different associations in order to get the best from the Oppo, with a coming upgraded Quad 405 and soon new Tannoy speakers (Mini-Authographs to be associated with BW PV1 subwoofers for basses).
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: jakenz on 16 May 2010, 06:42 am
Oppo had a new firmware release that improves the resolution of the volume control, which may be helpful.

I'm interested in this move by Oppo of the volume control from within the DSP to within the DAC - per their firmware update comments on their website.   

Can anyone (Jason?) confirm whether this change implements a move to a true analogue volume control (albeit digitally controlled) with theoretically no resolution loss at lower volumes, or whether it is simply an improved volume control operating in the digital domain so as to fix a few dsp related issues?  My reading of their firmware release comments - particularly their advice it is better to change volume in a receiver etc - is that it is more likely to be the latter...?  Also I'd expect them to more vocally market the added flexibility the former would give consumers...
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: Johnnycat on 31 May 2010, 06:13 am
I've tried using my Oppo NE as a music server and have found it will only play MP3 files from what I can tell. Won't play .WAV or Apple Lossless. I don't want compressed audio ... does anyone know if the Oppo will play any uncompressed audio format. I can't even find anything about music formats in the owners manual.
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: rustydoglim on 31 May 2010, 08:38 am
I've tried using my Oppo NE as a music server and have found it will only play MP3 files from what I can tell. Won't play .WAV or Apple Lossless. I don't want compressed audio ... does anyone know if the Oppo will play any uncompressed audio format. I can't even find anything about music formats in the owners manual.

It won't play uncompressed file. OPPO is primarily a high-end blu-ray and CD player, at least for now.
Stay tune for a Icon music client coming soon ;)
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: rustydoglim on 31 May 2010, 08:39 am
I'm interested in this move by Oppo of the volume control from within the DSP to within the DAC - per their firmware update comments on their website.   

Can anyone (Jason?) confirm whether this change implements a move to a true analogue volume control (albeit digitally controlled) with theoretically no resolution loss at lower volumes, or whether it is simply an improved volume control operating in the digital domain so as to fix a few dsp related issues?  My reading of their firmware release comments - particularly their advice it is better to change volume in a receiver etc - is that it is more likely to be the latter...?  Also I'd expect them to more vocally market the added flexibility the former would give consumers...

What Oppo did was instead of doing digital decimation, the new FW controls the DAC's analog output level, so it's a 'digitally controlled analog volume' and it has no loss of low-level resolutions.
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: nuforce-casey on 6 Jul 2010, 05:59 pm
Another review blog:  http://peteswrite.blogspot.com/2010/07/review-of-oppo-bdp-83-nuforce-edition.html (http://peteswrite.blogspot.com/2010/07/review-of-oppo-bdp-83-nuforce-edition.html)
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: sac8d4 on 6 Jul 2010, 09:09 pm
I've tried using my Oppo NE as a music server and have found it will only play MP3 files from what I can tell. Won't play .WAV or Apple Lossless. I don't want compressed audio ... does anyone know if the Oppo will play any uncompressed audio format. I can't even find anything about music formats in the owners manual.

Johnnycat,

Jason is correct, I want to add one small point, the BDP-83 can play LCPM, so whatever media server you are using (DBpoweramp Aset, etc.) it can transcode FLAC or other various files to a format that the BDP-83 can output (LCPM).This appears to be the next best soultion, I can not tell of any sonic degradation of the original material.
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: Ahmad on 15 Aug 2010, 04:55 am
Hello All-New to the forum.
A little late on this thread; however, I have read almost every post! Excellent back and forth and straightforward answers from Jason and Casey!
Yes, another guy planning on upgrading his BDP-83 to NuForce Ed.  I was in the waiting list way before the unit was released.  Enjoyed the wait as I had just gotten one of the last DV-983H from Oppo.

My Question:I enjoy the 2 channel on the DV-983H; would you say that the BDP-83 NuForce Ed. would be much superior to the  DV-983H audio?
Thanks in advance!
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: rustydoglim on 31 Aug 2010, 03:19 pm
If you don't care about blue-ray, and just want a world class CD player, buy CDP-8. It is shockingly good. It is going to be hard to find anything better at any price.

If you need blu-ray and also want a very good 2 channel player, OPPO Nuforce Edition is the one.
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: Ahmad on 12 Sep 2010, 01:45 am
Thanks for the advice, Jason!
I looked at the CDP-8 (gulp!). Besides the price (I am certain it is worth it); it occurred to me that, if I were to get the CDP-8, wouldn't the quality of the sound be also dependent on the received (Rotel RSP 1570) and the amp (Rotel MKii: I know, very old). And, the cables one is using (Some old monster stuff and old Transparent interconnects)?

I am sure this is discussed somewhere, but wanted to get a general feedback on this.

Now, considering that I care about having an excellent BRay player (and the equipment I have); I think that the 83 NuForce Ed. is probably a more "proportional" of an upgrade. 

Is this a reasonable assumption?
Title: Re: OPPO BDP-83SE NuForce Edition !!!
Post by: rustydoglim on 19 Sep 2010, 03:30 pm
That's correct. CDP-8 exceptional performance needs world class amp and preamp to bring it out.