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Industry Circles => GR Research => Topic started by: HAL on 7 Oct 2019, 11:56 am
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Since we are interested in the BG NEO10 planars status from Parts-Express, just checked and latest update is now 10/30/19. At first it was 9/26/19, so indeterminant as to when they will get stock from Christie Digital.
Danny has mentioned that he is working on a possible replacement, so figured I would start a thread for any updates along the way.
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Actually I think this is at least the third time the date has been moved. I distinctly remember seeing an early-August date while browsing the parts-express site in late July. It seems like if the estimated date is reached without receiving new stock, parts express just haphazardly pushes the expected availability date back 20-30 days and then crosses their fingers. Might not see any Neo 10s until next year or they might be in stock tomorrow.
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watching
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At $370 each, I'd be surprised if there is a high demand. :o
I'll be watching to see what Danny can do with his version.
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At $370 each, I'd be surprised if there is a high demand. :o
I'll be watching to see what Danny can do with his version.
It would be nice to know a little more about time frame on GR version. I am getting really impatient with Neo 10 speaker designs. Looking at other options.
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It would be nice to know a little more about time frame on GR version. I am getting really impatient with Neo 10 speaker designs. Looking at other options.
Call Danny and ask where he's at in the process. I've talked to him about some of his other drivers, and bringing them to market has taken lots of trial prototypes before he's been satisfied.
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Call Danny and ask where he's at in the process. I've talked to him about some of his other drivers, and bringing them to market has taken lots of trial prototypes before he's been satisfied.
Yes thanks, I know these things can take a year.
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There are OEM alternative planars, but they are more expensive than the NEO10's at PE.
Hope Danny's version works out.
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The company that I am working with made a change to their samples (they sent me a pair of them) as per my request and they said it didn't resolve what I was hoping it would. So they have their engineers working on it now.
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The company that I am working with made a change to their samples (they sent me a pair of them) as per my request and they said it didn't resolve what I was hoping it would. So they have their engineers working on it now.
Thanks Danny, would you say looking like 2020 for stock?
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Danny -- can you speak to the estimated price? If the price of your design is equivalent to the current Neo10's pricing, it's a non-starter. Needs to be at least half the cost.
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I don't know if they will solve the issue that I had with the samples. If they do then I should be able to have good stock by the end of the year. I will order enough of them at once to keep the price down, and I should be able to offer them close to the old Neo 10 pricing.
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I don't know if they will solve the issue that I had with the samples. If they do then I should be able to have good stock by the end of the year. I will order enough of them at once to keep the price down, and I should be able to offer them close to the old Neo 10 pricing.
That's great news!!
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Patiently waiting to fill the holes in our baffles.
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I have a never used pair of Neo 10s for sale (bought from Danny). I use a pair on my own beloved open baffle speaker (essentially a super mini with two M165X in a box underneath). $500 the pair including shipping.
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I have a never used pair of Neo 10s for sale (bought from Danny). I use a pair on my own beloved open baffle speaker (essentially a super mini with two M165X in a box underneath). $500 the pair including shipping.
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A pair 's not much help when you need eight.
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FWIW, the Sounderlink AMT-2560 Chinese knockoffs are [$160 - $200].
http://sounderlink.com/product/sounderlink-amt-2560-neo-10-ribbon-tweeter-planar-transducer/ (http://sounderlink.com/product/sounderlink-amt-2560-neo-10-ribbon-tweeter-planar-transducer/)
https://www.aliexpress.com/i/32777177367.html (https://www.aliexpress.com/i/32777177367.html)
(http://sounderlink.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/SounderLink-AMT-2560-Neo-10-ribbon-tweeter-Planar-Transducer.jpg)
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I saw those too and asked Danny about them. He said he tried some samples and they had some quality issues??? :popcorn:
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I saw those too and asked Danny about them. He said he tried some samples and had some quality issues??? :popcorn:
From what threads I have read, so have the PE BG. It appears matched (SPL) pairs are hard to come by after they were bought out. The Chinese knockoffs use Kapton material. The BG use some other material.
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For all the work with BG NEO3 and NEO10 drivers, I have tested them along the way. There have been poorly performing or bad units that were returned for replacement.
All the units I have are tested before use to make sure they are correctly working.
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Just spotted that PE has updated the delivery date to 12/18/19 for the BG NEO10's. :|
Hope Danny gets good news on his side.
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I didn't know PS Audio is using Neo3s and Neo 10 in their new speakers. This might at least partially explain the shortages.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ijScMk9A6M
https://parttimeaudiophile.com/2019/04/11/ps-audio-an-3-sneak-peek-axpona-2019/
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I didn't know PS Audio is using Neo3s and Neo 10 in their new speakers. This might at least partially explain the shortages.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ijScMk9A6M
https://parttimeaudiophile.com/2019/04/11/ps-audio-an-3-sneak-peek-axpona-2019/
No, they haven't ordered enough to amount to anything. They are also buying them from Parts Express.
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PE just updated the BG NEO10 availability to Feb 12, 2020. :o
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PE just updated the BG NEO10 availability to Feb 12, 2020. :o
Too bad for them.
I just got another set of measurements on the latest Neo 10 version, and it looked good. Samples will now be made and sent to me.
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I just got another set of measurements on the latest Neo 10 version, and it looked good. Samples will now be made and sent to me.
How long does that process take?
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How long does that process take?
It varies from company to company on how fast they can produce a production run of drivers once a PO has been submitted. I'll keep you guys up to date.
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It varies from company to company on how fast they can produce a production run of drivers once a PO has been submitted. I'll keep you guys up to date.
:thumb:
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Danny -- one more question --
Will your NEO10 version be swappable for the original NEO10? Stated another way, will you need to modify the Super 7 crossover to accommodate your NEO10 version?
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Danny -- one more question --
Will your NEO10 version be swappable for the original NEO10? Stated another way, will you need to modify the Super 7 crossover to accommodate your NEO10 version?
Physically they are the same frames. But whether or not they can be swapped with no crossover adjustment needed is not something I can answer yet.
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For anybody shopping for these, if you're quick on the trigger, Parts Express is showing 3 in stock right now.
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Hello Danny,
Are you continuing to develop your own version of the B&G Neo 10?
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Hello Danny,
Are you continuing to develop your own version of the B&G Neo 10?
I have some plans in the works and in development.
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Good news, can you give us some details?
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Parts-Express has BG NEO10 planars in stock when I just checked.
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FWIW, the Sounderlink AMT-2560 Chinese knockoffs are [$160 - $200].
http://sounderlink.com/product/sounderlink-amt-2560-neo-10-ribbon-tweeter-planar-transducer/ (http://sounderlink.com/product/sounderlink-amt-2560-neo-10-ribbon-tweeter-planar-transducer/)
https://www.aliexpress.com/i/32777177367.html (https://www.aliexpress.com/i/32777177367.html)
(http://sounderlink.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/SounderLink-AMT-2560-Neo-10-ribbon-tweeter-Planar-Transducer.jpg)
Boy, I hope all the new Neo10 variants have better frequency response than this Sounderlink, which seems to have like a 13dB rise toward 10kHz?! :duh:
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=207604)
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It would be interesting to know if the rumors are true that the new BG drivers are improved??
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Boy, I hope all the new Neo10 variants have better frequency response than this Sounderlink, which seems to have like a 13dB rise toward 10kHz?! :duh:
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=207604)
Quality control and Chinese knockoff are oxymorons.
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Shoot! I may have spoken too soon since I just looked up the B&G Neo10 FR graph from Parts Express. I suppose one can cross off the lowpass and highpass at strategic places to avoid the worst frequency response ranges, but still...
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=207606)
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Boy, I hope all the new Neo10 variants have better frequency response than this Sounderlink, which seems to have like a 13dB rise toward 10kHz?! :duh:
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=207604)
wait what... I actually impressed that it is flat down to 100Hz! I don't think the BG goes that low. the 10kHz rise can be EQ'ed out.
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Actually, that graph looks pretty easy to work with. The rise is constant and gradual... easy to deal with in the crossover. You are probably going to hand off to a tweeter between 1000-2000 depending on the tweeter and horn loading.
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Actually, that graph looks pretty easy to work with. The rise is constant and gradual... easy to deal with in the crossover. You are probably going to hand off to a tweeter between 1000-2000 depending on the tweeter and horn loading.
Now that I have looked at B&G Neo10 FR graph, which looks much rougher than the Sounderlink, I doubt I can believe that Sounderlink graph :|
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On the diyaudio forum the amt2560 has been measured and a resonance at 235 Hz appears on the measurement.
https://www.diyaudio.com/forums/planars-and-exotics/335731-sounderlink-planar-tweeters-2.html
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Guys, Sounderlink hasn't posted one measurement that they took. All of those measurements are copies of graphs that were provided by BG on the Neo 10.
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Too bad about the 235 resonance. I can tell you the BG Neo 10 sounds mighty fine all the way up to 10 khz if you e.q. the rise out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqzB6JkDBA8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocJnvay2c7Y&feature=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70OdxoCCY4w&feature=youtu.be
Rocket Ronny
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Bump
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I don't know if they will solve the issue that I had with the samples. If they do then I should be able to have good stock by the end of the year. I will order enough of them at once to keep the price down, and I should be able to offer them close to the old Neo 10 pricing.
Danny - I know I’m bumping a super- old thread, but I’m curious if anything ever will come of your attempts to improve upon the BG Neo10 design. Is this idea dead, or will you ever consider focusing on it in the future?
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We're honestly so swamped with emails, and orders to fill that Danny hasn't had an opportunity to work on a replacement neo10.
We do have a bunch of the "GRS" Neo10 clones in-house to be used as a possible line force for a customer. We just need a frame to test and design a custom crossover. For now, all we've had time to do is run impedance sweeps on them to check for any bad units. So far their measurements have been super consistent, apparently more so than the original BG models. But we wont know how viable they are until we have a frame to test them.
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Any update on the Line Force with the GRS Neo 10 clones? Sure would be great if they work.
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We're still waiting on the custom composite frames to be made before we can assemble and test them.
Shortages and delayes have slowed every step of the process down.
So no updates as of yet.
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I'll get Jay to follow up on that material, it should arrive soon!!
Don