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Industry Circles => Bryston Limited => Topic started by: James Tanner on 14 Feb 2019, 04:14 pm
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Hi Folks,
Qobuz launches today in the US.
It's so exciting to stream 192k/24 bit straight to the stereo!
Qobuz integration into our BDP is currently undergoing final check and certification. High res streaming, here we come!
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=190561)
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Sounds great so far to my ears. Certainly more convenient for whole house audio streaming in hirez. :thumb:
Check out The White Album 2018 mix and Chicago II Steve Wilson mix, both in 24/192 I think.
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Hi Folks,
Qobuz launches today in the US.
It's so exciting to stream 192k/24 bit straight to the stereo!
Qobuz integration into our BDP is currently undergoing final check and certification. High res streaming, here we come!
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=190561)
Hi James:
Great news. Thanks for the update. Two questions...
ETA for finalization/certification of BDP integration? Includes all BDP models?
Kindly advise.
Thanks,
Tim
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Qobuz integration into our BDP is currently undergoing final check and certification. High res streaming, here we come!
I look forward to Qobuz. I have a BDP-pi. Does whatever is going on at Bryston WRT Qobuz have any relevance to me? I'm not presuming an answer. I'd really like to know.
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Excellent. Really looking forward to having Qobuz directly available on the BDP. In the UK I have had Qobuz for a while and can have it reach BDP as renderer via Auirvana+ UPnP. I'm ready.
D
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I’ll open this box who’s going to be the first to compare with Tidal.
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I’ll open this box who’s going to be the first to compare with Tidal.
In all fairness this is day one for Quboz so the software and app for the PC is still glitchy.
As far as SQ I prefer redbook on Quboz, bass extends a little more tightly, percusion instuments a little crisper and airy in the mix and vocals a little more natural.
As far as Quboz hirez its amazing, I think the choice of 24/96 hirez vs MQA largely comes down to which service has the albums you want. Tidal has Masters playlists which are excellent, I don't see any type of organized way to sort hirez playlists in Quboz.
As for the convenience factor it is hands down a win for Quboz. You need an MQA streamer/dac to unfold MQA. Fine if you have one system and one room. But what about multiple rooms and multiple systems? I upgraded to a whole house DTS Play-Fi ecosystem. I can play hirez in any room I want with the equipment I already have. To stream hirez via quboz all I needed to do was add a $25 klipsch gate to my HT and it sounds better than the $499 bluesound node with REDBOOK files to my ears. Clear win for Quboz.
As far as 24/96 vs MQA in my system it doesn't matter. I prefer both over redbook. I'll need more time to do an A/B comparison.
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In all fairness this is day one for Quboz so the software and app for the PC is still glitchy.
As far as SQ I prefer redbook on Quboz, bass extends a little more tightly, percusion instuments a little crisper and airy in the mix and vocals a little more natural.
As far as Quboz hirez its amazing, I think the choice of 24/96 hirez vs MQA largely comes down to which service has the albums you want. Tidal has Masters playlists which are excellent, I don't see any type of organized way to sort hirez playlists in Quboz.
As for the convenience factor it is hands down a win for Quboz. You need an MQA streamer/dac to unfold MQA. Fine if you have one system and one room. But what about multiple rooms and multiple systems? I upgraded to a whole house DTS Play-Fi ecosystem. I can play hirez in any room I want with the equipment I already have. To stream hirez via quboz all I needed to do was add a $25 klipsch gate to my HT and it sounds better than the $499 bluesound node with REDBOOK files to my ears. Clear win for Quboz.
As far as 24/96 vs MQA in my system it doesn't matter. I prefer both over redbook. I'll need more time to do an A/B comparison. I agree and honestly I think MQA sounds incredible like 24bit 196 etc
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I went to the Qobuz website to sign on for one of its streaming plans but only found prices listed in British pounds. I think the numerical prices are the same for the US , but is there another portion of the website that is in US dollars?
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https://www.qobuz.com/us-en/discover (https://www.qobuz.com/us-en/discover)
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If anyone is trying to access Quboz from the PC app it is very glitchy, sticks and freezes a lot. The app for mobile is MUCH easier right now.
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Day 2 of Quboz- I found Quboz is a little too bright in my system and listening fatigue set in. I tried redbook and hirez tracks, just too much micro detail and it gets fatiguing. That never happened to me with Tidal or even Spotify. It looks like I am going back to Tidal. After I identified that brightness I just hear it on every track. At first it was a WOW but after a while it just starts to sound kind of gritty to my ears.
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Day 2 of Quboz- I found Quboz is a little too bright in my system and listening fatigue set in. I tried redbook and hirez tracks, just too much micro detail and it gets fatiguing. That never happened to me with Tidal or even Spotify. It looks like I am going back to Tidal. After I identified that brightness I just hear it on every track. At first it was a WOW but after a while it just starts to sound kind of gritty to my ears.
thanks for the input Witchdoctor
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Day 2 of Quboz- I found Quboz is a little too bright in my system and listening fatigue set in. I tried redbook and hirez tracks, just too much micro detail and it gets fatiguing. That never happened to me with Tidal or even Spotify. It looks like I am going back to Tidal. After I identified that brightness I just hear it on every track. At first it was a WOW but after a while it just starts to sound kind of gritty to my ears.
I’ve had Qobuz for a few weeks now and went back to Tidal for a listen after reading your post ... seemed kind of mellow.
Acoustic panels might help. My system was all over the place before I got these. The intent was to hang them and make it pretty but I’m scared to touch them.
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=190854)
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Looks like a nice system - can not make out what speakers they are?
james
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Magico S5
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Magico S5
Nice!
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Chris/James,
With Qobuz integration, will the BDP-3 Buffer the incoming signal as it will require a bit more bandwidth to stream 24b/192k music content.
And does BDP-3 buffer the signal to a DAC like BDA-3. , some music streamers/players buffer the digital signal to improve or maintain a signal to the DAC, thus improving the sound reproduction??? Has Bryston experimented with the use of buffers in the digital path - better or no difference in sound reproduction?
Luigi
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Chris/James,
With Qobuz integration, will the BDP-3 Buffer the incoming signal as it will require a bit more bandwidth to stream 24b/192k music content.
And does BDP-3 buffer the signal to a DAC like BDA-3. , some music streamers/players buffer the digital signal to improve or maintain a signal to the DAC, thus improving the sound reproduction??? Has Bryston experimented with the use of buffers in the digital path - better or no difference in sound reproduction?
Luigi
The buffering is from the source to the BDP3 not the BDA3.
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Hi,
I think you are missing my point around the buffering question, some streamers/players do buffering between the player and DAC and they say that this improves the sound reproduction.
Therefore, I am asking if Bryston if BDP does this in some way and if they have experimented with buffering on both the source and the receiving output device like a DAC -> BDA-3?
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To enjoy Qubuz from Canada...if one logs into Qubuz through a US browser (via Hola in Canada) will it work on the BDP?
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Chris/James,
With Qobuz integration, will the BDP-3 Buffer the incoming signal as it will require a bit more bandwidth to stream 24b/192k music content.
And does BDP-3 buffer the signal to a DAC like BDA-3. , some music streamers/players buffer the digital signal to improve or maintain a signal to the DAC, thus improving the sound reproduction??? Has Bryston experimented with the use of buffers in the digital path - better or no difference in sound reproduction?
Luigi
Hi Luigi,
We are playing around with a couple of techniques to handle playback, however we also have devices with limited amounts of memory that we would also like to support like the BDP-1. Currently we've settled on a system that buffers up to 4MB of data, the BDP-2 & 3 have enough system memory that we thought about buffering the entire track in system memory, but the BDP-1 certain can't handle this a some longer high res tracks made it a no go for the BDP-Pi as well. We still have some more testing to see how resilient the method works but and average internet connection should be fine, by average I mean 40-100Mb/s.
Chris
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To enjoy Qubuz from Canada...if one logs into Qubuz through a US browser (via Hola in Canada) will it work on the BDP?
Not likely, i tried setting up a UK account for testing and i needed a credit card registered to the UK
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Not likely, i tried setting up a UK account for testing and i needed a credit card registered to the UK
If one has that and a US zip code. then it should work. NO?
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Hi,
I think you are missing my point around the buffering question, some streamers/players do buffering between the player and DAC and they say that this improves the sound reproduction.
Therefore, I am asking if Bryston if BDP does this in some way and if they have experimented with buffering on both the source and the receiving output device like a DAC -> BDA-3?
There is no buffering from the BDP-3 to the BDA-3. If you pull out a USB flash drive from the BDP-3, it will play for a while before it stops due to the buffering. If you disconnect the BDA-3, it will just become silent as there is nothing converting the signal to analog.
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Hi Luigi,
We are playing around with a couple of techniques to handle playback, however we also have devices with limited amounts of memory that we would also like to support like the BDP-1. Currently we've settled on a system that buffers up to 4MB of data, the BDP-2 & 3 have enough system memory that we thought about buffering the entire track in system memory, but the BDP-1 certain can't handle this a some longer high res tracks made it a no go for the BDP-Pi as well. We still have some more testing to see how resilient the method works but and average internet connection should be fine, by average I mean 40-100Mb/s.
Chris
Hi Chris,
Interesting response, some challenges for Qobuz integration...
Luigi
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I got a Qobuz trial card at Capital Audiofest and was not impressed enough to drop Tidal. It took no time at all to find a lot of things that Tidal had but Qobuz didn't. Now they say their entire planned library isn't up yet... Well let us know.
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To enjoy Qubuz from Canada...if one logs into Qubuz through a US browser (via Hola in Canada) will it work on the BDP?
I would recommend against using Hola.
See the Conclusions and Recommendations section of TrendMicro's research paper https://documents.trendmicro.com/assets/white_papers/wp-illuminating-holaVPN-and-the-danger-it-poses.pdf (https://documents.trendmicro.com/assets/white_papers/wp-illuminating-holaVPN-and-the-danger-it-poses.pdf) if you want a quick breakdown.
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I would recommend against using Hola.
See the Conclusions and Recommendations section of TrendMicro's research paper https://documents.trendmicro.com/assets/white_papers/wp-illuminating-holaVPN-and-the-danger-it-poses.pdf (https://documents.trendmicro.com/assets/white_papers/wp-illuminating-holaVPN-and-the-danger-it-poses.pdf) if you want a quick breakdown.
Thanks for the tip. I'll select another safer VPN service.
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It's rather nice to see high-res files stream without an issue to the swarm of raspberry PIs I have, can't wait for the BDP to support this.
It's probably too early to judge, but the on the iPhone, there is a difference in sound, mostly noticed Qobuz is louder. Playback on the raspberry pi seems similar though and the app controlling both tidal and qobuz seems snappy on searches and usability, kinda fun to build a playlist between both services and local files.
One huge advantage with Qobuz over Tidal and the other download services, I can actually find high-res music for more current artists.
Jim
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we would also like to support like the BDP-1.
Good to hear that us BDP1 users are not forgotten. I’m impressed that Bryston not only supports kit that’s been out of production for some years, but even offers ongoing development such as this.
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Good to hear that us BDP1 users are not forgotten. I’m impressed that Bryston not only supports kit that’s been out of production for some years, but even offers ongoing development such as this.
+1 on Bryston's continued support for discontinued products.
I've been using both TIDAL and Qobuz for a while now, via Roon and a BDP-1. Works flawlessly over my 150 Mbps internet connection and sounds wonderful. Even works without issue with a Wi-Fi bridge into the BDP-1's 100 Mbps ethernet connection.
Roon is still having some teething issues with Qobuz, but with these two services together, you have on-demand access to just about everything ever published by a major record label.
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After a week or so of using Qobuz, i’m finding several albums missing from their library. I like the iOS app better than Tidal’s, there are more Hirez music I like on Qobuz too. Just not sure HiRez at home trumps the convenience of a larger library. I hope they address this shortfall soon, as i really cant stand Tidals interference.
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Wow! Without a doubt, that is the longest URL I have ever seen! :o
Where does one get the firmware update to support Qobuz? The last firmware version showing in the Update Firmware function is 2018-10-22.
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=193045)
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Wow! Without a doubt, that is the longest URL I have ever seen! :o
Where does one get the firmware update to support Qobuz? The last firmware version showing in the Update Firmware function is 2018-10-22.
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=193045)
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You have to download the BETA version of the software.
james
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Hi
You have to download the BETA version of the software.
james
Oh, dear! I hope it's better than the last version!
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So appreciate the Qobuz capacity. Just got things working.
Took me a bit of digging to find the Beta:
"Once at the Update Firmware page, add "#beta" to the end of the url, push enter, then refresh the page."
http://192.168.1.84/bryston/views/default.php#
**I see tonight the Firmware is in official status on my BDP
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A family member has the Bryston Pi, will qobuz work with this unit?
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A family member has the Bryston Pi, will qobuz work with this unit?
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Yes it will.
james
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I had no problem loading the beta version on Sunday morning in Europe to a BDP-1.
With Qobuz I had a few initial stutters as high resolution files settled into play and then the occasional pause between songs. I listened for hours with the ∞ add a song selected, and files kept playing without fault.
As Gary writes in the mail out, the BDP-1 is nine years old and has a processor to match, so for it to be able to cope with streaming high res files from Qobuz is amazing - thank you Bryston.
I see the official release restricts higher resolution files on the BDP-1 but mine did play in 24/96 without much fault. Chris suggested this may have been because I had recently set a new fresh scratch disc which had plenty of space available. So setting a new scratch disc might be worth a try for BDP-1 owners who want high res files from Qobuz and if you still have the beta version running rather than the official firmware from Monday.
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I had no problem loading the beta version on Sunday morning in Europe to a BDP-1.
With Qobuz I had a few initial stutters as high resolution files settled into play and then the occasional pause between songs. I listened for hours with the ∞ add a song selected, and files kept playing without fault.
As Gary writes in the mail out, the BDP-1 is nine years old and has a processor to match, so for it to be able to cope with streaming high res files from Qobuz is amazing - thank you Bryston.
I see the official release restricts higher resolution files on the BDP-1 but mine did play in 24/96 without much fault. Chris suggested this may have been because I had recently set a new fresh scratch disc which had plenty of space available. So setting a new scratch disc might be worth a try for BDP-1 owners who want high res files from Qobuz and if you still have the beta version running rather than the official firmware from Monday.
Im going to revisit this when I get back from Axpona and maybe put some sort of disclaimer come up for bdp-1's and possible check if a scratch disk with a swap file exists.
Chris
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Hi Chris - a feature request -
I am all for the Qobuz integration into the Bryston MDP. The Qobuz logo looks neat in the Add Files list and access is clean and swift with my new BDP-3, so a really happy user.
Perhaps one thing I am missing, though, is when in the sub-folders under Recommendations, such as New Releases, Press Awards, etc, is to then be able to have a further option to select a particular genre, Classical, Jazz, World, etc., and so refine the browse experience. Would it be possible to add this function at some point? At the moment I am browsing/searching genre with the stand alone Qobuz app and adding to my Favourites there and then returning to Bryston MPD to refresh my Qobuz Favourites, and then play.
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Hi Chris,
I am delving into Qobuz in MPD and my Qobuz Favourites are playing back without fault on BDP-3. I am beginning to look at Playlists in Qobuz and seeing if I can understand how it works.
If I save a MPD playlist of tracks selected from Qobuz it can be saved in MDP and it saves to the Qobuz desktop app, and also appears within Qobuz playlists in other apps, e.g. Audirvana+. But when I select Playlists within Qobuz in MPD a red message appears - Qobuz, no result matching given argument - and no playlists load, neither ones created in MDP or ones created earlier within Q and listed in Q Desktop app.
Hope that makes sense to you.
Are Qobuz playlists activated to appear in MPD yet as favourites do?