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Industry Circles => GR Research => Topic started by: Folsom on 28 Jun 2016, 06:32 pm
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I think upgrading makes perfect sense. And Ya, it's sooo much cheaper.
In automotive a factory car with the upgrade for HP say from 400 to 700 will cost you $10-50K, and may be achievable for $1-3K aftermarket (these days). I wish we got that kind of performance grade change in audio so easily! Since it is less measurable and discernible, we certainly are the more obsessed, quality driven, bunch - even on a tight budget.
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...In automotive a factory car with the upgrade for HP say from 400 to 700 will cost you $10-50K, and may be achievable for $1-3K aftermarket (these days)...
I'd like to know more about this.
Thanks,
Hugh
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Corvette 455hp, $56k
Corvette Z06 650hp, $80k
I can't count all the other examples. But point is you can upgrade the Corvette with a supercharger for a lot less than a ZO6 cost. However, I like the look of the Z06, and that you can't get. (I'm brakes and a few other things are probably different, too)
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I'm still saving for a Whipple blower for my Chevy small block. Last time I looked it was around $5k installed. An easy hundred horses!
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I thought this really came down to an "economies of scale" vs. "raw parts markup" tension.
Back in the day, a company like Sony could crank out CD transports for nothing because they built so many. Any bespoke audiophile brand that decided to make its own transport would incur dramatically higher costs to make something only marginally better, if better at all.
But if Sony had to put V-Caps in its CD players, well that's maybe $300 wholesale, mark it up for Sony's profit, distributors' profits, retailer's profits, you're probably looking at $2000 more on the sticker price. Not going to happen.
But if you take advantage of the scale of the $800 Sony player that Sony can make for nothing on a huge scale, then solder in some $600 retail V-Caps (or whatever other audiophile mods make sense), you've built a $1400 machine that would have sold for $2800 if Sony had to make it. Isn't that the economics? The trick is knowing where the shortcomings are that can benefit mods. Guys like Dan Wright built a career out of it.
If you hand built speaker cabinets to build some of Danny's great designs, that's going to cost you compared to the Columbian or Chinese factory that's cranking them out for a major speaker manufacturer. But if Danny can spot a good design, with a good cabinet, with decent drivers, that had to skimp on caps, or cabinet damping, or wiring, or resistors, or inductors (or whatever)... you could end up with speakers that compete with retail speakers at 2 or 3 times the cost.
BRING IT ON DANNY!
I'm dabbling with a similar issue now, getting some tuning done on a BMW 135i.
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As far cars are concerned I like buying the car with as much performance as possible from factory. One the best bargains out there right now is 2016 Mustang GT with the 5.0 engine, 435HP and 400 ft.bs. of torque.
You can probably get off the showroom floor for about $36,000.
Scotty
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Definitely off topic, but I've just never liked the feel of the Mustang. I hated the handling of the older ones, and I find the newer ones better, but still not my thing. I get it if most/all of your driving is highway or straight roads.
The Focus RS is a guilty pleasure for me. Back when I lived in a big city and didn't have a car, only rented on weekends, I was once "stuck" with an ugly Ford Focus. I came home and told my wife, "you won't believe it, but that thing is a dream to drive, tight, nimble, superb".
I prefer the feel of something like the Subaru BRZ that trades horsepower for phenomenal handling and road feel. Although it's admittedly light on horsepower. It's like a SET amp. I used to drive a modded Mini JCW that I absolutely loved. It flew and handled like a go cart, amazing road feel, until someone ran into it... sniff, sniff. So my next car is a modded, tuned up 135i. I'd get an M2, but I can't get past the sticker shock.
Horses for courses, as the English say.
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The Focus RS is one of the cars I would dearly like to test drive as well as the Subaru WRX/ STI.
Scotty
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If you're thinking WRX, and feel you want an STI, wait till the new gen engine comes out. You can exceed the stock STI power with a chip on the WRX that has the new gen motor.
My friend who sells Subaru's and owns one told me about it. He says the power is much friendlier too. Older STI's had massive turbo lag.
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I drove the Forester turbo and found the turbo lag intolerable, but I like the standard Forester for what it is. I find that unpredictability downright dangerous. You're trying to pass a car and you're just hanging in the passing lane, then it suddenly takes off just before you need to slam the brakes to go back into your lane to avoid oncoming traffic because it took too long for the turbo to kick in. Unsettling. A good 0-60 is fine if you're going 0-60 and everything along the way doesn't matter.
You gotta give it to the BMWs for nailing turbo. Audi's are hit and miss.
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The problem is Subaru and other companies are competing for cheaper prices than ever so a proper twin turbo or one that has a high performance waste gate, ability for constant operation, and blow off are out of the question. If they did have them there would be no more lag than the sluggish kickdown modern cars already use.
I hope we aren't really disturbing the topic. I don't think it had a big future. Some small decent bookshelves sound better, and if you've got some speakers of any type you can have big Danny G improve them.
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You guys now have your own thread for the hot rod stuff.
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Danny, you're the one with a hot rod! I'd love a Corvette, but a drumset won't fit inside ;-). So I had suspension specialist Jim Sleeper drop my Tahoe 4", and put a set of Budnik billet wheels wrapped in BFGoodrich rubber all around. The 350 small block puts out only around 250hp, so it really needs that Whipple blower for another hundred. As soon as my hi-fi is done!
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The 350 small block puts out only around 250hp, so it really needs that Whipple blower for another hundred.
350bhp on a 5,000 lb. vehicle should make it go almost as fast a 6-cylinder Toyota Camry! ;)
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If you're thinking WRX, and feel you want an STI, wait till the new gen engine comes out. You can exceed the stock STI power with a chip on the WRX that has the new gen motor.
My friend who sells Subaru's and owns one told me about it. He says the power is much friendlier too. Older STI's had massive turbo lag.
No... the Subaru 2.5 has a problem with the stock turbo spooling up way too fast and can have boost creep issues as a result. In those cars once you free up the intake and exhaust the turbo starts spooling up like a turbo diesel, the car is always spooling the turbo when it's accelerating. In fact, I'd say the stock turbo is FAR too small on the 2.5 motors once the intake and exhaust are upgraded.
That said, I'd trade my '14 WRX 2.5L hatch for a new WRX with the direct injected 2.0 motor IF Subaru would make them in a hatchback. In the meantime, hopefully I can get a few grand extra to upgrade to a larger turbo so the turbo won't spool up as fast, I want to be able to drive around town at low RPMs without the turbo spooling up.
One of my friends with a '16 WRX had it tuned for E85, leaving the car entirely stock, and with a very conservative tune put out 295Hp at the wheels at 5000 ft elevation... and he gets about 30 mpg too. Previously he had a 2.5 WRX with intake and exhaust mods that putout about 315 HP, but as I said the stock turbo handicaps the 2.5 pretty badly. It can make 375 HP at the wheels easily and with very little turbo lag.
Also, imo STi is a questionable upgrade over the WRX unless you'll be taking it to the track.
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The problem is Subaru and other companies are competing for cheaper prices than ever so a proper twin turbo or one that has a high performance waste gate, ability for constant operation, and blow off are out of the question. If they did have them there would be no more lag than the sluggish kickdown modern cars already use.
That's really not true either, the new WRX uses a dual scroll Garrett turbo and develops maximum torque around 2k RPM.
It is possible the CVT transmission is the issue, because it's definitely not the motor. But you shouldn't be buying a performance car with a CVT anyways and imo Subaru shouldn't even offer it on the WRX or Forester XT.
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Yeah, I can't leave a car alone either. Why not crank the power up a little? More power is more better.
(http://gr-research.com/ps/newpic3.jpg)
The one visual thing that gives away a hint of some modifications are the Hoosier drag radials on the back.
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This is me in a grudge race with a buddy of mine. His GTO is a back halfed car with huge slicks. He is running a 496 cubic inch BBC. His trany is a turbo 400 with a 3800 stall converter. And he was running a 4.56 gear at the time.
He was a little nervous and forgot to turn off his two step. The two step device sets a low rpm rev limiter for the burn out. His was set at 5,000 rmps. So soon after launch he hit the 5000 rpm limiter and it fell on its face. I was already out on him anyway. I plastered him on the tree. :green:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zan-jHVGZ1o
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Went test driving this week with a friend who is looking to add another car to his garage and we twice drove a 2016 Dodge Challenger R/T with Scat Pack.
I had my preconceived notions of American muscle, but I was pleasantly surprised by how nice a ride it produced and how much better the interior has become.
While nobody will confuse the interior with the German cars I enjoy, it definitely has come a long way!
The car had roughly 500hp and could be tame or a beast depending on how you drove it. It also had a very nice sounding exhaust.
He really wanted to drive the Challenger Hellcat, but the couple of dealers we visited weren't allowing test drives.
Below are a couple of pics.
It sure looks nice in the Plum Crazy color - too bad it was only an option for a few months.
George
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Dave, I've driven a hatchback STI and the turbo lag was stupid IMO; it did have some sort of upgrade too. The new Forester's with a turbo have huge turbo lag as well. You're idea of turbo lag may be different from mine. I enjoy vehicles that have instant throttle response; you tap, it leaps.
Who buys a WRX with an auto?
Dual scroll helps the new one, as you said, at 2k it's developing well (forester does not). But it's limited in overall volume compared to running two; which would make the new WRX engine a real nut house.
BTW I can't quiet decide whether I'm really enjoying that there's no hatchback WRX anymore because the bitching is funny, or if I'm tired of hearing it so I want them to release one. The one thing I'm sure of is I'm sick of the extremely identifiable sound of the older WRX/STI. Gag.
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I also drive this little S-10 pick up. This is me taking the win in the first round.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hue1-BDTQKA
And it is now 100% street legal and driven on the street.
To say that it has had a few upgrades is an understatement.
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Dave, I've driven a hatchback STI and the turbo lag was stupid IMO; it did have some sort of upgrade too. The new Forester's with a turbo have huge turbo lag as well. You're idea of turbo lag may be different from mine. I enjoy vehicles that have instant throttle response; you tap, it leaps.
Who buys a WRX with an auto?
Dual scroll helps the new one, as you said, at 2k it's developing well (forester does not). But it's limited in overall volume compared to running two; which would make the new WRX engine a real nut house.
BTW I can't quiet decide whether I'm really enjoying that there's no hatchback WRX anymore because the bitching is funny, or if I'm tired of hearing it so I want them to release one. The one thing I'm sure of is I'm sick of the extremely identifiable sound of the older WRX/STI. Gag.
I've actually owned several WRXs and the issue with the 2.5s is the exact opposite of turbo lag, it spools way too fast and can have boost creep in some situations.
I don't know who buys a turbo car with an auto but some do apparently.
The WRX and Forester share the exact same motor, it spools very quickly by any standards.
The issue with turbo lag is you just get used to it and then it's no big deal. Every turbo car has some amount of lag, with experience you forget it's even there.
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Now that is a sling shot ride. What did your Vette do in the 1/4 mile? Looks like you are as serious about racing as you are about audio.
Ron
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This is me in a grudge race with a buddy of mine. His GTO is a back halfed car with huge slicks. He is running a 496 cubic inch BBC. His trany is a turbo 400 with a 3800 stall converter. And he was running a 4.56 gear at the time.
Years ago I rebuilt my '76 3/4 ton Chevy 4x4 with a supercharged 496 BBC (built myself), it would beat almost any car on the road in a straight line, lots of fun! Still the best motor I've ever driven, it had a heavily modified custom machined Holley 850 that flowed well over 1000 with the mods, motor put out around 550 hp/800 ft-lbs. The Z06 engine (2008 or so...) was close but really needed to be driven over 3500 rpm, when it comes on cam it feels like a turbo... the Z06 is probably the most fun-to-drive car I've ever driven... made my WRX feel pretty slow afterward. :green:
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This is me in a grudge race with a buddy of mine. His GTO is a back halfed car with huge slicks. He is running a 496 cubic inch BBC. His trany is a turbo 400 with a 3800 stall converter. And he was running a 4.56 gear at the time.
He was a little nervous and forgot to turn off his two step. The two step device sets a low rpm rev limiter for the burn out. His was set at 5,000 rmps. So soon after launch he hit the 5000 rpm limiter and it fell on its face. I was already out on him anyway. I plastered him on the tree. :green:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zan-jHVGZ1o
Your Vette looks real fast! Your friend must be doing something awfully wrong on top of his rev limiter.
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This is my little "Hot Rod" - not in the classic sense, but a lot of fun.
1995 Nissan 300Z Twin Turbo. Mods include Intake, Exhaust, and Chip. Big Brake kit and oversize tires/wheels.
Very quick, but a bit twitchy if you get a heavy foot.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=146104)
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The WRX and Forester share the exact same motor, it spools very quickly by any standards.
The issue with turbo lag is you just get used to it and then it's no big deal. Every turbo car has some amount of lag, with experience you forget it's even there.
Dave, are you sure the Forester has dual scroll? Maybe it's the tuning, I don't know.
My grandfather had a truck he built up some, wasn't 4x4, but he ran really low rear end gears and big tires. It wasn't something you'd take on the freeway. But around town with the 4 speed, light to light, creamed everyone. It was either a 68 or 69 Chevy, shortbox 3/4 ton with small rear window. Supposedly they don't exist, but I can go poke it with a stick whenever I feel like so I'm fairly sure it does.
I built a 383 that was in a 69 GMC with all drum breaks. It had 2.05 heads with a cam that was just under .5 and duration around 270-280 (can't recall atm), and 1.6 rockers... That was on top of 6" or 6.125" rods, so it revved up pretty high before it would float (blueprint & balanced). It had positrack but it wasn't enough for taking off in a truck. It went through several stall converters, trying to find one worth a damn at even at over 3k. Basically got a few repainted ones w/o b-plates that it was suppose to have. With the 3.73 rear end it would hit the rpm limit in final drive gear, which was just over 140mph I believe. My brother said he took it on this one road that has a corner at the end, he hit the final rev limit in the final gear, and said that the corner at the end was scary as shit since the drum brakes weren't doing a lot! :lol: I'm sure it wasn't nearly as fast as Danny's Vette, but it was pretty fun in high school. None of the Russians with fake Type R Integra's would race after they actually heard it run. And with that MSD ignition it would start year round in one try. Then my brother's friend bought it, put it in his Blazer, and blew it into a million pieces because he wouldn't put oil in it (and it used a super tiny amount with the moly rings, so he went probably at least a year without checking).
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Now that is a sling shot ride. What did your Vette do in the 1/4 mile? Looks like you are as serious about racing as you are about audio.
Ron
Our local track is an 1/8 mile track. I have never ran it for a 1/4.
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Your Vette looks real fast! Your friend must be doing something awfully wrong on top of his rev limiter.
He was a little late on the light, but the 5,000 rpm rev limiter did him in. His car runs a high 6 on motor only. He also has a nitrous system on it that will give him an extra 200 horsepower, but I challenged him to a motor only (no nitrous) race.
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I also drive this little S-10 pick up. This is me taking the win in the first round.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hue1-BDTQKA
And it is now 100% street legal and driven on the street.
To say that it has had a few upgrades is an understatement.
Waitin' for the Street Outlaw episode when we see "Danny's S10 vs Jackie's Sanoma" :thumb:
jay
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Waitin' for the Street Outlaw episode when we see "Danny's S10 vs Jackie's Sanoma" :thumb:
jay
The S-10 that I drive is not that fast. You can see what it just ran in that Youtube video. There is a lot we can do to it still, and it wouldn't be hard to drop it into the mid 5's. But most of the Street Outlaws run mid to low 4's now. Those guys are serious and their cars fly.
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Yup, I know..... even the guys at teh bottom of the list and those tryng to get on are dam quick... those guys are dropping serious amonts of $$
jay
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No... the Subaru 2.5 has a problem with the stock turbo spooling up way too fast and can have boost creep issues as a result. In those cars once you free up the intake and exhaust the turbo starts spooling up like a turbo diesel, the car is always spooling the turbo when it's accelerating. In fact, I'd say the stock turbo is FAR too small on the 2.5 motors once the intake and exhaust are upgraded.
That said, I'd trade my '14 WRX 2.5L hatch for a new WRX with the direct injected 2.0 motor IF Subaru would make them in a hatchback. In the meantime, hopefully I can get a few grand extra to upgrade to a larger turbo so the turbo won't spool up as fast, I want to be able to drive around town at low RPMs without the turbo spooling up.
One of my friends with a '16 WRX had it tuned for E85, leaving the car entirely stock, and with a very conservative tune put out 295Hp at the wheels at 5000 ft elevation... and he gets about 30 mpg too. Previously he had a 2.5 WRX with intake and exhaust mods that putout about 315 HP, but as I said the stock turbo handicaps the 2.5 pretty badly. It can make 375 HP at the wheels easily and with very little turbo lag.
Also, imo STi is a questionable upgrade over the WRX unless you'll be taking it to the track.
I just have to correct one thing in here that I see. I'm pretty sure your friend isn't getting 30mpg on E85. My brother retuned his mostly stock Evo VIII and ended up around 15-16mpg due to the much higher fuel ratio that you need to run for E85.... which is also why E85 builds always need massive fuel injectors. E85 stoichiometric ratio is 9.76, while gasoline is 14.7. Because of that, my aftermarket Evo X tune is on gasoline.
And yes, the STI spools pretty quickly for a single turbo, it's quicker than my Evo with the 2.0L that boost threshholds around 2700rpm, and I've also driven stuff with GT30 sized turbos, and have seen many videos of GT67 turbos which start spooling way up above 5k. But, yea, it's not as instant torque responsive as my V8 4runner. Guess that's why I own both :D
Although once you own a boost laggy car, you get used to it and usually end up liking them. Boost is very predictable once you get used to it.
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I just have to correct one thing in here that I see. I'm pretty sure your friend isn't getting 30mpg on E85. My brother retuned his mostly stock Evo VIII and ended up around 15-16mpg due to the much higher fuel ratio that you need to run for E85.... which is also why E85 builds always need massive fuel injectors. E85 stoichiometric ratio is 9.76, while gasoline is 14.7. Because of that, my aftermarket Evo X tune is on gasoline.
I don't know a lot about those little Subaru's but I know about running E85. Some of the Vette guys run it with high compression or boosted engines. And what you just stated is 100% true. You go through a lot more fuel on that stuff. It's not as bad as the guys running pure alcohol though. Ideal mixture with that stuff is in the 6.4 to 1 range.
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I just have to correct one thing in here that I see. I'm pretty sure your friend isn't getting 30mpg on E85. My brother retuned his mostly stock Evo VIII and ended up around 15-16mpg due to the much higher fuel ratio that you need to run for E85.... which is also why E85 builds always need massive fuel injectors. E85 stoichiometric ratio is 9.76, while gasoline is 14.7. Because of that, my aftermarket Evo X tune is on gasoline.
And yes, the STI spools pretty quickly for a single turbo, it's quicker than my Evo with the 2.0L that boost threshholds around 2700rpm, and I've also driven stuff with GT30 sized turbos, and have seen many videos of GT67 turbos which start spooling way up above 5k. But, yea, it's not as instant torque responsive as my V8 4runner. Guess that's why I own both :D
Although once you own a boost laggy car, you get used to it and usually end up liking them. Boost is very predictable once you get used to it.
Absolutely right about E85 using more gas, I should clarify 30 mpg highway and not average... The Subaru 2.0 turbo has a 10.5:1 compression ration though, so it's more efficient than the non-direct-injected 2.5 motor by quite a bit, with it's 8.5:1 CR. With a Cobb stage 2 tune on my '14 WRX I average 25 mpg, but I'm convinced a larger turbo will actually get me far better fuel economy because the turbo won't spool up so fast. I get 10% better fuel economy without the Cobb intake, it makes a huge difference wrt boost threshold. With a larger turbo I could be averaging near 30 mpg with well over 300 hp at the wheels... as long as I'm not on the turbo all the time! :green:
With E85 being around 104 octane equivalent it sure does allow for much more aggressive tuning, combined with direct injection there's potential for more efficiency as well as long as you account for the difference in energy concentration in the fuels. Also, turbo cars run way under stoch under boost, as I'm sure you know...
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350bhp on a 5,000 lb. vehicle should make it go almost as fast a 6-cylinder Toyota Camry! ;)
It's a 2000 LTD., 4420 lbs. Chevy made a run of special Tahoe's for the California Highway Patrol, with upgraded transmission, suspension, cooling, brakes, interior, etc. They had some left over and offered them to the public for only two years, '99 and '00. I got the last one sold in California, by which time used one's were selling for more than the original sticker price!
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It's a 2000 LTD., 4420 lbs. Chevy made a run of special Tahoe's for the California Highway Patrol, with upgraded transmission, suspension, cooling, brakes, interior, etc. They had some left over and offered them to the public for only two years, '99 and '00. I got the last one sold in California, by which time used one's were selling for more than the original sticker price!
So you have the first Vortec 350 then, that was a great motor... You can get an extra 100 hp just by doing intake, exhaust (w/headers) and chip on that motor, no need for a supercharger...
Many years ago I put a Vortec 350 / NV4500 / custom 4:1 t-case into my '76 Landcruiser FJ55. I was really surprised how fast that truck was... the Vortec heads and fuel injection were a quantum leap over the TBI 350 but the motor is very restricted stock.
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Stock except for the skip shift eliminator.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=146156)
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So you have the first Vortec 350 then, that was a great motor... You can get an extra 100 hp just by doing intake, exhaust (w/headers) and chip on that motor, no need for a supercharger...
Many years ago I put a Vortec 350 / NV4500 / custom 4:1 t-case into my '76 Landcruiser FJ55. I was really surprised how fast that truck was... the Vortec heads and fuel injection were a quantum leap over the TBI 350 but the motor is very restricted stock.
Yup, that's the one. I put in the chip, first because I was changing the tire size (the stock were 30" tall, the 245/45 front and 275/40 rear I put on the 20" Budniks only 28.6". By the way, anyone needing tires for wet---but not snowy---roads, BFGoodrich g-Force COMP-2A/S are great.). I was going to do the intake and exhaust, but there was a house requiring a down payment, so that was the end of that ;-). And now I have prioritized hot-rodding my Hi-Fi, so the Tahoe will have to wait. I'm sure ya'll understand that!
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It's a 2000 LTD., 4420 lbs. Chevy made a run of special Tahoe's for the California Highway Patrol, with upgraded transmission, suspension, cooling, brakes, interior, etc. They had some left over and offered them to the public for only two years, '99 and '00.
Wow, I didn't know there was such a thing made available to the public. Judging by your quoted weight it sounds that along with the other improvements it may have been lightened by a few hundred pounds for "pursuit" duty?
Anyway, definitely sounds like a unique vehicle worthy of upgrading.
Steve
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Stock except for the skip shift eliminator.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=146156)
Sweet!
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Humm'd and ha'd about posting these, old pics, but figured I'd share them anyway as they kind of suit the thread.
No chips, no turbos, no SC'er, just a true, 13.5:1, normally aspirated SBC powered '68 Bird. Buiilt this back in the "the day" myslef, sold it to one of my best buds who has been sitting on it for close to 25 years now.... hopefully we'll resurect it one of these days, Av gas isn't getting any cheaper :o
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=146158)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=146159)
jay
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Damn!
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Wow, I didn't know there was such a thing made available to the public. Judging by your quoted weight it sounds that along with the other improvements it may have been lightened by a few hundred pounds for "pursuit" duty?
Anyway, definitely sounds like a unique vehicle worthy of upgrading.
Steve
Since they were all painted black for the CHP, that's the only color it was offered in, but without the shield on white front doors! Dropping it 4" made a huge difference in the amount of body roll. I put in Koni shocks too.
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Humm'd and ha'd about posting these, old pics, but figured I'd share them anyway as they kind of suit the thread.
No chips, no turbos, no SC'er, just a true, 13.5:1, normally aspirated SBC powered '68 Bird. Buiilt this back in the "the day" myslef, sold it to one of my best buds who has been sitting on it for close to 25 years now.... hopefully we'll resurect it one of these days, Av gas isn't getting any cheaper :o
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=146158)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=146159)
jay
Man, that's great!
Who else has throw back pics?
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Humm'd and ha'd about posting these, old pics, but figured I'd share them anyway as they kind of suit the thread.
No chips, no turbos, no SC'er, just a true, 13.5:1, normally aspirated SBC powered '68 Bird. Buiilt this back in the "the day" myslef, sold it to one of my best buds who has been sitting on it for close to 25 years now.... hopefully we'll resurect it one of these days, Av gas isn't getting any cheaper :o
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=146158)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=146159)
jay
I assume both of you are still in cherry condition?
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Audio is the indoor hobby..... Here is the outdoor fun..
Driveway shot...
(http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc184/nascarmonte/Corvette%202003/IMG_00001129_zps2a6bfaa0.jpg) (http://s216.photobucket.com/user/nascarmonte/media/Corvette%202003/IMG_00001129_zps2a6bfaa0.jpg.html)
1975 coupe & 2003 convert... 400HP each. Fun to drive.
We've owned the '75 for 34 years..
Graham
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So you like black huh?
We like Yellow....
(http://gr-research.com/other/hisandhers4.jpg)
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So you like black huh?
We like Yellow....
(http://gr-research.com/other/hisandhers4.jpg)
Obviously to match those Super Vs you had at one point :wink:
jay
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Obviously to match those Super Vs you had at one point :wink:
jay
I think I had those Super-V's before both of these cars.
That aside, the near one is my wife's car. It is a rare Indy 500 festival car. It was issued to the track. Only 75 were made. This is number 75 of 75.
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A nice pair Danny...
My sister's ride is yellow.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=147835)
Graham
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Graham, those look great.
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Some 2-wheel love. Even purdier nakid.
BK
(http://i65.tinypic.com/21ci9ep.jpg)
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BK...
That bike is where Art meets Engineering!!
Gorgeous!
Graham
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Some 2-wheel love. Even purdier nakid.
BK
(http://i65.tinypic.com/21ci9ep.jpg)
Cool BK !!
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How about a three wheeler I built.
(https://c5.staticflickr.com/2/1614/26018971284_eef47cd4a2_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/FDd2Fb)20160424_160939 (https://flic.kr/p/FDd2Fb) by evanbelkom (https://www.flickr.com/photos/18457639@N04/), on Flickr
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You built that? That looks awesome.
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man, that's cool too .
I can see this turning into a pretty awsome picture thread :green:
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What's that 3 wheeler powered by? It looks good!
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Thanks Danny. It took about a year to build and have about 5000 trouble free miles on it now.
It is powered by a Suzuki Burgman 400.
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Hi Ed,
nice set of wheel you got there.
You must be proud...
The Suzuki Burgman 400 motor I supposed it a 400cc ?
Is it air cooled ?
What about the transmission, how many gears ?
Have you calculated your MPG ?
How did it go to get the registration and plates ?
Is it consider as a motorcycle or car ?
Guy 13
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Thanks Danny. It took about a year to build and have about 5000 trouble free miles on it now.
It is powered by a Suzuki Burgman 400.
What's the rear look like? Does the next version have an R1 engine waiting to be put in? :green: That thing looks silly fun so long as you watch out for cars!
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Hi Guy 13
Thanks for the complement
400CC water cooled Radiator in front.
CV auto transmission
56-65 MPG
Type 1 motorcycle plates
Motorcycle
It feels like a F1 car and has plenty of power for the wet weight of 572 LBS with full fuel 4.73 gallons.
Folsom
It will do about 90MPH and cruise at 65-75 mph all day long. That is good enough for me.
BrightAssLights brake, running in center.
And Custom Dynamics turn, brake signals. Very bright and clean!
Custom Dynamics black LED license frame with lighting on top.
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8609/28470491400_73e4ab9b87_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/KnQHco)ar2 (https://flic.kr/p/KnQHco) by evanbelkom (https://www.flickr.com/photos/18457639@N04/), on Flickr
(https://c3.staticflickr.com/2/1526/26531689162_546c10e769_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/GqvQQA)20160424_151127 (https://flic.kr/p/GqvQQA) by evanbelkom (https://www.flickr.com/photos/18457639@N04/), on Flickr
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I'm pushing my luck here !
How about a picture of the cockpit,
especially all the dials,
which I'm sure look like an airplane cockpit !
By the way, red is my favorite color.
If you had to sell it, which I don't think will happen,
how much would you ask ?
(I know, that's pushing my luck and
curiosity too far, but it cost nothing to ask other than maybe
loosing my reputation, if not already done. :lol:
Guy 13
The more pictures you post the more I see how much you are tallented,
that's a really nice built you did. :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
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Guy 13
Many thanks! I just wanted a retirement vehicle and with a basic frame from the UK I built this. I did so many modifications to the frame that it became mine at the end.
I had a homebuilt airplane that I put 2150 hours on it in ten years before selling it. Red was the color for night vision so I was able to incorporate that in the build. I also have a Ipod, stereo amp, subwoofer and GPS to round it out 8)
(https://c4.staticflickr.com/1/301/18971183483_6143a04045_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/uUqgUp)IMG_3144 (https://flic.kr/p/uUqgUp) by evanbelkom (https://www.flickr.com/photos/18457639@N04/), on Flickr
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/462/19404104288_bef8b33f56_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/vyF7bd)IMG_3147 (https://flic.kr/p/vyF7bd) by evanbelkom (https://www.flickr.com/photos/18457639@N04/), on Flickr
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Now that's my idea of a retirement vehicle! Looks like silly fun galore. Outstanding work you've done there and quite a hot rod indeed.
BK
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Thanks Ed.
I went on Flickr
and saw some really nice pictures.
Thanks.
Guy 13
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I'm certain people would buy that! Damn it's cool.
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Thanks everyone for your compliments. It is a blast to drive and I rarely go less than 120 miles whenever I take it out!
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My 3 Beauties.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=148832)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=148833)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=148834)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=148835)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=148836)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=148837)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=148838)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=148839)
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Hesster,
about 25 years ago I drove my partner's IROC Z.
WOW !!! A real bomb, so powerful that it's almost scary... :oops:
Guy 13
on planet Vietnam.
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I love cars, and love to wrench/build them even more - just like my custom LS9's.
2010 Camaro is Whipple Blown and dyno'd at 632 RWHP with a full tilt BMR suspension and racing coilovers - it is brutal. The 1973 Camaro is mostly fiberglass and is old school cool, went for that '70's vibe with custom metal flake and pearl paint. The 1977 Bandit is priceless, and as the original owner it is my treasure. Though choice as to which one to drive on any given nice day!
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=148841)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=148842)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=148843)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=148844)
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My grandmother had a TransAm just like that without the upgrades, big block in it. She complained a lot that it didn't run well. My dad took it for a spin to the grocery store or something and gave it some full throttle, it sputtered, spitted, grunted, and then took off real fast and mean. The next time my grandmother drove it she asked what he did to make it run so well, my father told her, "gave it some gas, and if you ever want to sell that car let me know."
The next time he visited her, she had a different car. My father asked what happened to the TransAm, to which she replied, "oh I got rid of it." My father said, "WHAT, I TOLD YOU TO TELL ME IF YOU WANTED TO SELL IT" to which my grandmother said, "oh you don't want that thing, it never ran right, I sold it to the kid that works at the oil change place for $300."..........
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Okay Hesster, more pictures please.
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My grandmother had a TransAm just like that without the upgrades, big block in it. She complained a lot that it didn't run well. My dad took it for a spin to the grocery store or something and gave it some full throttle, it sputtered, spitted, grunted, and then took off real fast and mean. The next time my grandmother drove it she asked what he did to make it run so well, my father told her, "gave it some gas, and if you ever want to sell that car let me know."
The next time he visited her, she had a different car. My father asked what happened to the TransAm, to which she replied, "oh I got rid of it." My father said, "WHAT, I TOLD YOU TO TELL ME IF YOU WANTED TO SELL IT" to which my grandmother said, "oh you don't want that thing, it never ran right, I sold it to the kid that works at the oil change place for $300."..........
Ugh! That just breaks my heart.
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Hesster..
Those cars are amazing...
Nicely done!
Graham
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Ok - more pics
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=149059)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=149060)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=149061)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=149062)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=149063)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=149064)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=149065)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=149066)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=149067)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=149068)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=149069)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=149070)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=149071)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=149072)
AND - NICE POOPERS!
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=149073)
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Great pics man. I loved looking at them.
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Wow, thanks! :thumb:
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A true car nut, at a level where "phile" would apply.
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A little at the track action last night. This is now 100% street legal and we compete with a group of guys for king of the streets.
(http://gr-research.com/other/at%20the%20strip.jpg)
This is me and my Dad. I was just about to get suiting up for a race with Chuck Huff.
(http://gr-research.com/other/me%20and%20dad.jpg)
And I edged out Chuck to take the number 1 spot and get to keep the trophy (for now).
(http://gr-research.com/other/trophy.jpg)
Then Chuck beat me the second race and won it back.
(http://gr-research.com/other/with%20chuck.jpg)
Some of you Facebook guys might be able to see a race here: https://www.facebook.com/Godssondp/videos/10154345190041287/
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Cool man 8)
How often do you guys meet , when's the next opportunity to re-claim that title ?
jay
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Looks like fun!
My muscle truck was a '74 Chevy 3/4 ton, I built it from the ground up with a 396, then added a supercharger, after a rod went I built a 496 with the supercharger and a marine cam. Great motor... 9mpg all the time though. :cry:
Just picked up a '16 Subaru WRX STi yesterday after my '14 WRX got totaled by a woman running a red light 10 days ago. The new STi ('15+) is back to it's roots... uncompromising and a blast to drive. :icon_twisted:
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Cool man 8)
How often do you guys meet , when's the next opportunity to re-claim that title ?
jay
Sometime in September.
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Ooooooh, is that the coveted Valve Train Trophy?
On a more serious note, how about a little description of the S-10? Maybe some under hood shots. My guess is while it's street legal, you don't use it to get mulch for the garden or go camping, eh?
Our biggest hurdle for "street legal" around here is mandatory emission testing for registration. I can just barely get my old Blazer to pass, and it usually takes more that one try. It doesn't have to pass visual inspection because of age, but still needs to pass sniff test.
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Ooooooh, is that the coveted Valve Train Trophy?
Can you figure out what the parts are supposed to look like?
(http://gr-research.com/other/trophy2.jpg)
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On a more serious note, how about a little description of the S-10? Maybe some under hood shots. My guess is while it's street legal, you don't use it to get mulch for the garden or go camping, eh?
Just a little 355 small block with a single 750 cfm carburetor. :thumb:
(http://gr-research.com/other/S-10f.jpg)
It is a full tube chassis car though.
(http://gr-research.com/other/S-10.jpg)
And it has a complete roll cage.
(http://gr-research.com/other/S-10e.jpg)
(http://gr-research.com/other/S-10d.jpg)
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Ya but I see a high plenum intake manifold it looks like which would make me guess... Powerglide with what, like a 4k stall and air shifted? Electric pumps and fans only with an alternator reluctantly added back in. Those headers are large, 2.08 valves, bigger?
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Can you figure out what the parts are supposed to look like?
(http://gr-research.com/other/trophy2.jpg)
Uhhhh, cam and valves? Don't recognize the top things...
Christmas tree...got it, roger and out.
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Just a little 355 small block with a single 750 cfm carburetor. :thumb:
What, no gun rack? Where's your dog ride? You're a Texan, right?
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Can you figure out what the parts are supposed to look like?
(http://gr-research.com/other/trophy2.jpg)
http://www.jegs.com/i/Portatree/791/3100/10002/-1?CAWELAID=1710891659&CAGPSPN=pla&CAAGID=15769068431&CATCI=pla-207773114471&gclid=CjwKEAjwuo--BRDDws3x65LL7h8SJABEDuFR9tBGkycqaSqeIbOAofmtWlahPP2Rduj0JnUZkpm2UhoCy6jw_wcB
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Yep, that's it.
(http://cdn.quotesgram.com/img/18/86/1177593095-41l7P1kIBLL__SY300_.jpg)
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Yeah Danny - "Just a little 355 small block with a single 750 cfm carburetor"
With a motor plate, electric water pump, high rise single plane intake manifold, shorty headers, 750 mechanical carb w/o choke, maybe that is a MSD distributor, etc.
Uhhh - and no A/C...
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Yeah Danny - "Just a little 355 small block with a single 750 cfm carburetor"
With a motor plate, electric water pump, high rise single plane intake manifold, shorty headers, 750 mechanical carb w/o choke, maybe that is a MSD distributor, etc.
Uhhh - and no A/C...
LOL, and that's not it, what's inside the engine counts too :beer:
jay
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Well, it does have 12.5 to 1 compression. The cam is in the 700 lift range, and it does have a complete Jesel value train. So for a little small block, it does make some power.
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I would hope so with 700 lift.
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As close as I come to a hot rod these days. In fact I'm getting ready to sell the old friend, hence the photos. It's an '83 and I'm the second owner. Purchased in 1989.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=149395)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=149396)
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Hey my kind of thread!! :D
(http://i643.photobucket.com/albums/uu158/edoggrc51/96DECADD-3948-46EA-8069-F57C8718A3C4.jpg) (http://s643.photobucket.com/user/edoggrc51/media/96DECADD-3948-46EA-8069-F57C8718A3C4.jpg.html)
(http://i643.photobucket.com/albums/uu158/edoggrc51/19627573-3CEC-4108-8022-A2ACA4E00890.jpg) (http://s643.photobucket.com/user/edoggrc51/media/19627573-3CEC-4108-8022-A2ACA4E00890.jpg.html)
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As close as I come to a hot rod these days. In fact I'm getting ready to sell the old friend, hence the photos. It's an '83 and I'm the second owner. Purchased in 1989.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=149395)
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=149396)
Hey Peter,
That brings back memories. I bought a '76 4WD Blazer brand new for $5900. It looked just like your '83, but mine was solid maroon. I drove it 2 years and sold it for $6000.
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More racing tonight. I beat my buddy Chuck again tonight to secure the #1 spot. :thumb:
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while its not mine it is a very good friends, use to spend a lot of time at the track since high school working on his cars over the years.
now runs nostalgic Alcohol Funny Car.
This was taken at the US Nationals at Indy
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=150111)
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More racing tonight. I beat my buddy Chuck again tonight to secure the #1 spot. :thumb:
Congrats :thumb:
while its not mine it is a very good friends, use to spend a lot of time at the track since high school working on his cars over the years.
now runs nostalgic Alcohol Funny Car.
This was taken at the US Nationals at Indy
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=150111)
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jay
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Awesome thread Danny!
I'll throw my hat in too....
I have a 1976 Mustang Cobra II. I purchased it during my assignment to CENTCOM/JSOC at MacDill AFB in 1988. Yeah, 88....
It has undergone a few transformations since that time. It has been in it's current guise since the mid 90's. That would be green with silver stripes. The motor was a N/A 347cid. A few year later I added EFI. A few years after that came a supercharger. My internals were ready to make some serious HP, but the OEM block held me back.
Not anymore! This year I stepped up to a Dart block. At the same time I swapped out my old EFI system with a new Holley EFI with 120lb injectors for the E85. I also moved up to a larger blower. Once I have everything worked out (so many little issues creep up when trying to fit things back together) and get sufficient cycles on the new dual clutch setup, I'll take it in to get a good tune and some dyno numbers. The goal is 750-800 RWHP (equates to ~ 860-920+ flywheel HP).
I had the valve covers and brackets powder coated using a special 3 step process to give the parts an Anodized look. It looks GREAT. The water neck and electric water pump actually are anodized, so you can see that the powder coated parts look very convincing.
(http://i441.photobucket.com/albums/qq137/rms8/2016%20Mustang%20Dart%20build/IMG_0036_zpsa1bmxfvv.jpg)
(http://i441.photobucket.com/albums/qq137/rms8/2016%20Mustang%20Dart%20build/IMG_3628_zpssxjew79b.jpg)
(http://i441.photobucket.com/albums/qq137/rms8/2016%20Mustang%20Dart%20build/IMG_3626_zpsiri6n9j7.jpg)
(http://i441.photobucket.com/albums/qq137/rms8/2016%20Mustang%20Dart%20build/DSCN0502%20--2_zpstytjozge.jpg)
(http://i441.photobucket.com/albums/qq137/rms8/2016%20Mustang%20Dart%20build/DSCN0504_zpstjgfvsul.jpg)
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rms8 that looks great. I love it. And that Pinto/Mustang 2 is the perfect sleeper. Every car made in that area was a dud and no one would ever expect power like that from that car.
The E85 is a good choice for that type of motor too.
Post more on it when you get it up and running and start the tuning process.