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Community => Non-audio hobbies and interests => Spectator Sports => Topic started by: jimdgoulding on 14 Jan 2015, 04:01 am
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and just can't get excited and don't think you should be much either :roll:.
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Nothing on any of the boxing pages I frequent, with the following exception, including ESPN. Here was the closest thing I could find to a confirmation:
http://www.boxingscene.com/arum-pacquiao-waiting-on-mayweathers-approval--86294
I feel like Charlie Brown with the football every time I read a story such as this. Not gonna get excited, or even interested, until a formal announcement.
Hope it's true, but I will always wish they had fought in their primes instead of now.
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For one that doesn't follow boxing closely, how far over the hill are these guys?
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They can still fight, and well, but both have "lost a step". Mayweather gets hit more than he used to and Pacquiao's work rate has dropped off somewhat.
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Looks like the guy running the jumbotron is tired of the BS too:
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=113958)
I'm feeling a little more optimistic although like all boxing fans I've been burned too many times to get excited. The reports do say that they spent an hour talking in Manny's hotel room with Pacquiao's main adviser present and Floyd's adviser on the phone.
For those who haven't seen the video from the Heat game:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-2929269/Coming-2015-Floyd-Mayweather-Manny-Pacquiao-attend-NBA-match-Miami-fueling-speculation-mega-fight.html
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Yes, and this weekend Manny's camp stirred-up the hype by releasing this training video of him in fighting trim and taking on a larger, stronger opponent :
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=868048836568855&fref=nf
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The Fight of the Grandfathers. Who cares? I wouldn't PPV this if it cost a dime.
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Yes, and this weekend Manny's camp stirred-up the hype by releasing this training video of him in fighting trim and taking on a larger, stronger opponent :
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=868048836568855&fref=nf
Floyd's not that much bigger than Manny, just 1.5" taller by the tape. The fact that the fighters have met- and negotiated- face to face is promising.
There's been more than enough "hype". Sign a GD contract already guys, or I'm going over to Jerry's camp.
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I think this one is 97% sure to happen. I would have been really excited about it five years ago. Now I'm just meh. I will still be interested in the outcome but both fighters are in decline (if only vs their younger selves- both are still among the best out there in a fairly weak pool of fighters). This will probably be one of the biggest money fights in the history of boxing which is sad statement on the condition of boxing right now.
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you guys are too late :D they actually fought in Miami... somehow this video leaked :lol:
http://youtu.be/2OyhXtoGu3w (http://youtu.be/2OyhXtoGu3w)
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That may be as close as we ever get. Hope not. Rob Babcock is right though; it will probably be a real good fight but not the classic it could have been five years ago when both were peaking. It would be virtually impossible for anything to live up to the wait. And Floyd seems content with a legacy that includes every article that will be written about him including the phrase "but he never fought Pacquiao." The
assholes advisers that he is listening to seem hell-bent on "negotiating" him out of the biggest payday in boxing history. And this after Floyd called out Manny for May 2. I think it is crystal clear at this point who really wants to make the fight- and who doesn't.
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so it's going to happen after all :thumb:
http://www.cbssports.com/general/eye-on-sports/25075656/official-floyd-mayweather-manny-pacquiao-to-fight-this-may (http://www.cbssports.com/general/eye-on-sports/25075656/official-floyd-mayweather-manny-pacquiao-to-fight-this-may)
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Well, like the rest of you, I'm ready, but I would only pay to see the third one if I'm still interested.
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Well, about f***ing time.
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Waaaaaaay too late....doubt it will be a good fight.
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I think it will be a good, if not great, fight. They are not what they were, but both still have skills. Mayweather was always going to duck and hide the whole fight and Manny was always going to try and make it a brawl, so i don't see their strategies changing. They can both still make it through a fight without taking too many rounds off. What is lacking is Mayweather doesn't have the same speed and Manny doesn't have the same level of production, which may cancel out making for, as I said, a good if not great fight. I think I'd pay just for the historic value.
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PPV may be a record setting $89.95 and possibly another ten for HD, according to news stories. I'm gonna kick in on a fight party.
I think it will be just as competitive as it would have been in 2010, only fought at a somewhat slower pace... and I think Pacquiao benefits more from that.
Mayweather starts out as a 2-1 favorite, which is reasonable considering he's undefeated. In my mind though, it's a pick 'em fight. If Manny can stick to Roach's plan, he can definitely win.
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Anybody care to make a prediction and why? I love the Pacmeister but . .
a) Mayweather is taller/more muscular
b) very, very hard to hit
c) a skilled counter puncher and very fast
Manny will outwork Floyd but will his punches be as meaningful physically or in the eyes of the judges. Floyd is not only skilled but can LOOK skilled. He looks like he's practicing generalship and that might weigh some with the judges.
So, I'm pickin Mayweather. However, if Manny wins, there will be a re-match more certainly I should think and you know what they say about money. This could be three fights before its over. We could just be unwitting wall flowers at the richest dance in history.
I'd much rather there wasn't a re-match clause unless it were for a cut.
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Repeating myself here but...
Manny can win if he fights the right fight. This consists of- first and foremost- working the body and not falling into Floyd's trap of tricking guys into headhunting. He shows opponents enough openings so they think, "I can box with this guy!" Once you do that, he's got you. Most fighters take the bait. Pacman may be disciplined enough not to. Floyd gets hit more now. Castillo, Ortiz (until he f***ed up), Mosley (OK, for one round, but he almost KO'd him in that one round), Cotto, a used-up Oscar, and even the totally unskilled Maidana were all able to put varying degrees of pressure on him. Manny is a better pressure fighter than any of those guys. He can do it if he sticks to Roach's fight plan.
Hard to pick against an undefeated, future first-ballot hall of famer, but as I told my nephew, do you know how many "unbeatable" fighters I've seen get beat?
ps- jimdgoulding, there is no rematch clause in the contract.
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dB- love your take. I'm amazed, however, there isn't a rematch clause (???) which would mean that it's all on the line and fans will see the best fight these guys can produce. I'll be interested to see if Manny uses your strategy. I like it. Manny is my sentimental favorite. Mayweather my practical one and he will have to fight now if what you say is true.
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Repeating myself here but...
Manny can win if he fights the right fight. This consists of- first and foremost- working the body and not falling into Floyd's trap of tricking guys into headhunting. He shows opponents enough openings so they think, "I can box with this guy!" Once you do that, he's got you. Most fighters take the bait. Pacman may be disciplined enough not to. Floyd gets hit more now. Castillo, Ortiz (until he f***ed up), Mosley (OK, for one round, but he almost KO'd him in that one round), Cotto, a used-up Oscar, and even the totally unskilled Maidana were all able to put varying degrees of pressure on him. Manny is a better pressure fighter than any of those guys. He can do it if he sticks to Roach's fight plan.
Hard to pick against an undefeated, future first-ballot hall of famer, but as I told my nephew, do you know how many "unbeatable" fighters I've seen get beat?
Sounds good but flawed against Mayweather, Manny is very susceptible to straight rights, focus on Mayweathers body and he will roll with the body shots. Focusing on the body sounds good but it opens Manny up to his weakness the straight right. Mayweather has a stronger chin then many people realize, review the shot Mosely hit him with, a straight right flush from a pretty good puncher, he was shaken but did not go down and recovered quickly. Manny has to use the tactic Duran used against Leonard in the first fight sucker him in to a brawl, which Maiden tried unsuccessfully or hope to catch him early. What worries me about Manny is his fights against Marquez, which I thought he lost all but one, Marquez is smart and can box just like May. Mayweather is practicing that straight right so much I am afraid his brittle hands may cause a delay in this fight...
ps- jimdgoulding, there is no rematch clause in the contract.
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dB- love your take. I'm amazed, however, there isn't a rematch clause (???)
Hell, it took almost six years to get him to agree to fight him once. If Mayweather loses, bet your ass he'll be howling for a rematch, especially if there is the slightest controversy.
Yeah, good points, but I disagree that Marquez can box "just like May". He can box but not "like Mayweather". He also hits harder I think. Floyd is the odd man out in the family. His father and uncle had good power, not so good chins. Floyd has good chin, not so good power. I don't think a kayo is likely. Straight right needs room to work. Manny needs to walk through Floyd's counterpunches, glue himself to FM's chest and wail away, and keep the fight at a faster pace than FM wants. Yeah it carries the risk of the straight right. He has to take the risk. Floyd's strategy is to steal rounds. We'll see whose strategy pays off.
Now we just gotta hope neither of these guys slips in the bathtub over the next couple weeks.
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Tell you something I learned while in the military from modestly educated young black men of meager means and who got emotional when they drank and confided in me . . “Jim, if you’re black, you must never, NEVER lose a fight to a white boy”.
This is one of the reasons Mayweather will be victorious at the curtain of this rivalry. Manny has experienced class oppression, but it wasn’t at the hands of people of a different color. Mayweather MUST win. I think he believes that Manny is the white boy’s champion even if Manny is oblivious. I know, I'm sorta thinking all over the place.
Everything being on the up and up, Mayweather should win on skills and motivation, imo. He's the one with something to prove. But, I love youse guys takes! Manny could out hustle him. He's a worker. One of my friends has ordered this so I get to see it free of charge :D.
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Ali was unbeatable. Then he got beat. Foreman was unbeatable. Then he got beat. Tyson was unbeatable. Then he got beat. Trinidad was unbeatable. Then he got beat.
All it takes is the right guy, on the right night, fighting the right fight. That's all I'm saying.
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dB, make no mistake, me and others respect all you've said to date, I'm pretty sure. I'm damn sure not dissing you. Just taking a little poetic license is all. The Packmeister may win it flat out. I wouldn't bet that he won't. I expect he'll be the busier and doesn't seem that Floyd can knock out anybody, but I think he might can slick out a win. Buy one, too. I don't have a lot of faith in Las Vegas judging of late.
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Didn't feel "dissed". I can understand picking Floyd. Hell, he probably will win. I just dislike the guy- he's a woman batterer- and even if he wins, I hope that after the fight, he looks like he didn't.
My fervent hope is that on May 2, we'll see the reason he's been ducking Pacquiao for almost six years.
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Jiminy H. Christmas, can this get any more ridiculous???
http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id/12736671/floyd-mayweather-manny-pacquiao-contract-not-signed
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Didn't feel "dissed". I can understand picking Floyd. Hell, he probably will win. I just dislike the guy- he's a woman batterer- and even if he wins, I hope that after the fight, he looks like he didn't.
My fervent hope is that on May 2, we'll see the reason he's been ducking Pacquiao for almost six years.
:thumb:
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Ali reportedly picking Manny
http://au.ibtimes.com/boxing-news-2015-greatest-all-time-muhammad-ali-picks-manny-pacquiao-over-floyd-mayweather-jr
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As much as I would like someone/anyone to hand Mayweather a L on his stats, his boxing skills are impressive, and Manny has been in too many tough battles through the years, plus that knockout...there is always the faint possibility that Mayweather 'sheen' will disappear 'overnite' just like Roy Jones' if he sticks around long enough.
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Another thing that gives me pause (well, amongst several) is that Manny is a southpaw. When Floyd rolls that shoulder to avoid being hit, he will be rolling into Manny's left hand zone. We know about Manny's punch production that I don't think Floyd will keep up with, so Floyd must land cleaner punches to get points from the judges. Marquez timed Manny just right. Floyd can time alright, but knocking opponents out he just hasn't shown. I wouldn't be surprised if this doesn't end up a draw. Bodes for another massive payday, too :dunno:. Who, me? Skeptical? Bet yer dang skippy I am.
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If one were to look further for a good fight. Two UFC bouts are coming up. One is Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor (featherweight) and another is Robbie Lawler vs Rory MacDonald.
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Predictions anyone? I'm takin Mayweather cause I think he is the more multi-dimensional fighter and will demonstrate ring generalship*.
On the other hand, as Teddy Atlas pointed out, Manny's foot speed and angles will frustrate Floyd and make him miss. And we know Manny punches in bunches. So, what is hell is Floyd gonna beat him WITH? Counterpunching.
This is one I wouldn't bet on even with your money.
*if he can maintain any breathing room for himself
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I don't think Floyd is going to have big trouble hitting Manny, but he might have trouble hurting him. And you gotta hurt Manny to deter him. This isn't the inexperienced Alvarez, the used-up Oscar/Shane, or the utterly unskilled Maidana. Floyd is in for the fight of his life. Freddie Roach says they have been training for this fight for years. If Manny can successfully stick to the plan (bang the body early, mix in the head shots more and more as he slows down), a late TKO for Manny.
Hey, a guy can dream, can't he? I could use some good news right about now...
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I have three bets on Pacquiao...
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I don't think Floyd is going to have big trouble hitting Manny, but he might have trouble hurting him. And you gotta hurt Manny to deter him. This isn't the inexperienced Alvarez, the used-up Oscar/Shane, or the utterly unskilled Maidana. Floyd is in for the fight of his life. Freddie Roach says they have been training for this fight for years. If Manny can successfully stick to the plan (bang the body early, mix in the head shots more and more as he slows down), a late TKO for Manny.
Hey, a guy can dream, can't he? I could use some good news right about now...
Good take on it, dB. Wouldn't surprise me terribly if you're right. It's the fight of Manny's life. No doubt he's gonna bring it and Floyd is 38 years old.
Mjosef, my Brooklyn man. Good to see something from you. Maria Neckam still playin around town?
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As much as I'd love to see Manny take the fight, the night will belong to Mayweather. Can't stop a train.
Ugh, this just in, this morning's NYT has yet another article of his woman beating past.
"Mayweather, who on Saturday will meet Manny Pacquiao in a money swamp of a championship welterweight bout, has a long and documented history of employing brutality beyond the boxing ring.
http://nyti.ms/1GE03Ug
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As much as I'd love to see Manny take the fight, the night will belong to Mayweather. Can't stop a train.
Just don't see it that way. Floyd doesn't win fights, he wins rounds. He isn't impressive, and doesn't hurt anybody. And go back and watch the Mosely fight, when he gets hurt, his shoulder roll goes away and he forgets his whole defensive posture.
Manny is just as much of a train as Floyd is. Except for 1 blind counter punch, Manny is undefeated too. He whooped Bradley, bad. And was whooping Marquez too, until he got caught.
Manny is on a different skill level than anybody Floyd has ever fought, he can overwhelm defense like nobody Floyd has fought. Floyd's only punch that's worth anything is the straight right counter, and he starts getting that in after opponents get frustrated and start wild headhunting. That won't happen with Manny. And Floyd only has an average chin too.
Manny in 5
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+1 Manny
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Just don't see it that way. Floyd doesn't win fights, he wins rounds. He isn't impressive, and doesn't hurt anybody. And go back and watch the Mosely fight, when he gets hurt, his shoulder roll goes away and he forgets his whole defensive posture.
Manny is just as much of a train as Floyd is. Except for 1 blind counter punch, Manny is undefeated too. He whooped Bradley, bad. And was whooping Marquez too, until he got caught.
Manny is on a different skill level than anybody Floyd has ever fought, he can overwhelm defense like nobody Floyd has fought. Floyd's only punch that's worth anything is the straight right counter, and he starts getting that in after opponents get frustrated and start wild headhunting. That won't happen with Manny. And Floyd only has an average chin too.
Manny in 5
Whew Glad you're a better speaker builder than fight handicapper :lol: Manny's been knocked out three times,
Torrecampo, Singsurat and Marquez, additional losses to Morales and Bradley. Also review the previous fights with Marquez, he may have lost two of those the same way he was jobbed in the Bradley fight Marquez may have been robbed... Also the few knockouts Mayweather has had were with left hooks watch the Hatton fight. A couple additional facts Mayweather fought Mosley in 2010 Pacquiao fought him in 2011. Also Pacquiao fought DeLa Hoya after Mayweather, at a lower catch weight where he was weakened by weight loss. Really look at Mayweathers record while folks keep saying he hand picks opponents, he is always smaller and has fought more world champions than any current fighter. Still doesn't mean he'll win just some facts. It will be interesting, I know most of you guys are rooting for the Pacman I just hope it's a good fight and not a dud with either man walking through the other. No prediction just hope it's good :D
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Manny will need to throw 800 punches to beat Floyd. He hasn't thrown over 780 in recent years. Opponents land only 16% of their punches against Mayweather while he lands at a 46% rate. The fighter who lands the most punches wins at an over 90% clip. Floyd Mayweather in a decision.
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I've said it before, this time I mean it. I will never, ever buy another Mayweather fight. As usual, both guys leave with faces looking just like when they entered. All Floyd's worried about is not getting hit, and he doesn't hit back with any authority. Flat out boring, and a waste of money.
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I was going to a friend's house to see it but passed out after work. Woke up again, too late to go. Have been texting some friends and the consensus was that it was a good, not great, fight. Problem was, after 5 years of boxing-politics bullsh**, it needed to be a great fight to be good for the sport. The hot actress Elizabeth Banks tweeted "Floyd Mayweather is an incredible fighter, but he just bored me out of $100." And Brian Campbell of ESPN said, "We never saw Pacquiao empty the tank and go for broke." Wallace Matthews, also of ESPN: "That was exactly the fight I expected to see but hoped I wouldn't."
Timing was right- for Floyd's business purposes, not for fans.
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You mean it WASN'T "Dancing with the Stars?"
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I was going to a friend's house to see it but passed out after work. Woke up again, too late to go. Have been texting some friends and the consensus was that it was a good, not great, fight. Problem was, after 5 years of boxing-politics bullsh**, it needed to be a great fight to be good for the sport. The hot actress Elizabeth Banks tweeted "Floyd Mayweather is an incredible fighter, but he just bored me out of $100." And Brian Campbell of ESPN said, "We never saw Pacquiao empty the tank and go for broke." Wallace Matthews, also of ESPN: "That was exactly the fight I expected to see but hoped I wouldn't."
Timing was right- for Floyd's business purposes, not for fans.
My goodness, what commentary, dB. You're quite the editor you are. Miss Banks can thank her lucky stars she wasn't paying for ringside. Wallace Matthews took the words right outta my mouth (good quote). Oh well, I got to eat for free and the beer was cold.
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It's plain to me that neither Manny nor Floyd was the loser last night. The people who wasted $100 or more are the ones who register this loss.
What in the name of weird hope and unrealistic optimism ever made you think this so-called fight was anything but a money-making scam?
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Why anyone would spend $100 to watch a fighter against a boxer in the 1st place is beyond me.
The fighter would be better off (or at least more entertaining) if he went into MMA fighting !! At least he'd have a better understanding
of what he was doing
(How much abuse do you think a football player would take if he came out & said he had an "injured shoulder" after a game he'd lost ?;
Everyone made their money, it was time to turn off the lights & just go home) (Well at least I still have the Stanley Cup Playoffs:without
the player the NHL has been try to force down our throats as "The Next One")
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For me it's simple with the introduction of MMA people are no longer looking for the "sweet science" they are looking for "blood sport." If that's the case stop complaining and watch MMA which is brutality in it's best form, somewhat like gladiators. I listened to commentary ad nauseam last night and this morning, it's funny most boxers thought it was a good fight, minus Mike Tyson. People that saw any running were not watching the fight they were waiting for the blood. Mayweather is a master boxer, he used his length, check left hook and straight right to cause Pacquiao to quit. I watched the fight closely and had it 9 - 3, I didn't see a close fight. I'll watch again next weekend. I boxed for many years and there's no getting around it, Mayweather's fights are boring if you're looking for a toe to toe war, something beside the shoulder stopped Pacquiao from charging it was distance, the check left hook and mostly the straight right which doesn't have knockout power, it hurts enough to stop fighters from charging straight forward. Mayweather is so good at what he does he makes the best fighters look like sparing partners
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As compared to the many fights I've seen of Manny I have to wonder . . where was he? He was the least busy I remember ever having seen him. Surely he couldn't have thought he could win on ring generalship. This guy has been successful because of relentless pressure and a multitude of angles and punches. Where was his footwork, his aggressiveness? I'll watch it again when its replayed on the telly- maybe Floyd intimidated or neutralized him somehow- but as of right now, I think Manny just gave Floyd too much time and space. If there is a rematch, think Floyd would go to the Phillipines? Or, China? I don't think they could sell enough tickets in Vegas. It was that unremarkable to me.
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Good fight, and honestly about what I expected. Wanted Pacquaio to win. Mayweather controlled the fight with defense.........which is smart (particularly in this case), but ultimately boring. If he's so dominant, as he boasts, then he wouldn't play defense THE ENTIRE FIGHT. A dominant fighter will use defense as necessary. Mayweather used defense as a way to not fight. Maybe just a few times did I see Mayweather as the aggressor, and it was typically only after one of his zillion defensive jabs. Not the fight anyone likes to see, though I understand the reasons it played out the way it did. It was the top offensive fighter vs the top defensive fighter.
Fighting styles and tactics aside (and all else being close to equal give or take a little in all boxing skill categories), I believe it was Mayweathers's height / size advantage that won the fight ; That long accurate jab that kept Pacquaio from getting inside where he needed to be......in which case I think we would've seen those 700-800 punches thrown from him. Pac can't throw the number of punches needed to win if he can't get close enough to throw them.
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PS to the above- Floyd is sooo much quicker than any of those fighters that made Manny look good.
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To suggest Manny was thrown off by Floyd's speed is ridiculous. To allude that Manny is slow, is absurd.
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To suggest Manny was thrown off by Floyd's speed is ridiculous. To allude that Manny is slow, is absurd.
If that is in reply to my post, never implied Manny is slow and quick well timed jabs (Mayweather) can keep a guy (Manny) off his lead foot and at bay. Think I may have answered my own question.
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I thought you were talking about foot / body speed, not hand speed.
I agree, Mayweather's lead left is not only fast, it is accurate. He controlled the fight with it and won with it. I am willing to bet that 60%-70% of his landed punches came from that left.
But, to my core point, without Mayweather's size advantage (ie if Pacquaio and Mayweather were the same size and frame measurements) those lefts wouldn't have been nearly as effective, as Manny would've been within his effective attack range much more often. I'm not saying Manny would've won in this case. Just pointing out what I see as the main deciding factor in the fight.
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I thought you were talking about foot / body speed, not hand speed.
I agree, Mayweather's lead left is not only fast, it is accurate. He controlled the fight with it and won with it. I am willing to bet that 60%-70% of his landed punches came from that left.
But, to my core point, without Mayweather's size advantage (ie if Pacquaio and Mayweather were the same size and frame measurements) those lefts wouldn't have been nearly as effective, as Manny would've been within his effective attack range much more often. I'm not saying Manny would've won in this case. Just pointing out what I see as the main deciding factor in the fight.
Agree with you on both points. Floyd's ring generalship was commendable. He really dictated the fight, imo, with the help of the advantages you pointed out. Gotta give him his due.
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https://www.facebook.com/TheFightDepot1/videos/549155421906642/
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https://www.facebook.com/TheFightDepot1/videos/549155421906642/
That wasn't what happened in the fight, no matter how humorous the video might be. Floyd out boxed Manny, flat out beat him in the center of the ring and managed him very well on the ropes. He didn't dance away or shoulder roll him at all, except for the last 15 seconds of the fight which doesn't count. He kept Manny off of him with jabs and straight right hands, just like a boxer should do it. I was very impressed with Mayweather's skill and disappointed in Manny's effort.
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Just don't see it that way. Floyd doesn't win fights, he wins rounds. He isn't impressive, and doesn't hurt anybody. And when he gets hurt, his shoulder roll goes away and he forgets his whole defensive posture.
Manny is just as much of a train as Floyd is.
Pardon me dawg, was that the Pacquiano choo choo??
Floyd had his fare
And just a trifle to spare
When you hear the ring bell chimin' eight to the bar
Then you know that Mayweather's not very far
Shovel all the coal in
Gotta keep it rollin'
Woo, woo, Pacquiano where you are?
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Wasn't what happened?
No one said anything about dancing or shoulder rolling.
Mayweather is obviously a great fighter, but it isn't like he dominated his opponent.
Mayweather knew what he needed to do to control the fight against the smaller yet more aggressive opponent, and executed to perfection : jab left, counter right. Plain and simple.
Well......not "simple" against Pacquiao, but Mayweather's size advantage (mated to high skill level) made it look simple.
Indeed, he is an impressive fighter. Wish he was a more impressive character.
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That wasn't what happened in the fight, no matter how humorous the video might be. Floyd out boxed Manny, flat out beat him in the center of the ring and managed him very well on the ropes. He didn't dance away or shoulder roll him at all, except for the last 15 seconds of the fight which doesn't count. He kept Manny off of him with jabs and straight right hands, just like a boxer should do it. I was very impressed with Mayweather's skill and disappointed in Manny's effort.
It was just a joke. From what I hear, I'm glad I didn't spend any money to watch that fight. Floyd is a very skilled boxer but is very boring to watch, IMO.
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For non boxing enthusiasts, I can see how the fight was boring.
But for ME, I was on the edge of my seat the whole night because anything could have happened! Even down to the final minute!
I think it's silly to say "All Floyd is worried about is not getting hit".....think about that statement for a second! If I were a boxer I would expect to get hit some, sure.....but I wouldn't WANT to get hit! Who WANTS that?? (well maybe some twisted folks do). (And yes I'm also aware that some fighters intentionally take abuse for various strategy techniques in a fight). But if I was fast enough to avoid my opponents punches and smart enough to out box them and exploit their weaknesses then uhhh, yeah! I'm gonna do that! Why would you hate on me for that? Cuz I left the fight with an unblemished face? You serious? That's how I'd wanna leave every fight..
Floyd is a technician. He is economical with his punches. Why throw more then you need to?? He lands about 50% of his punches per match....that's damn good!
There are many reasons to hate Mayweather....I won't go into them. But you have to understand that when you watch a fight of his NOWADAYS, the excitement is in how he outsmarts his opponent and how he makes great fighters look mediocre. He made Manny look mediocre! Unbelievable. This is not the Tyson days, the Ali days, the Sugar Ray days where a good amount of fighters took tons of physical abuse (again, sometimes intentionally). Well, at least not when you watch a Mayweather fight. Those days were more exciting in many ways, sure! But TODAY, the top boxer on the planet doesn't fight like that. But that doesn't make him less of a boxer or a "coward" as some review wrote. That's all just people hating on him. If you hate him for his out-of-the-ring "issues" then sure...... But his skill? That's undeniable. Does he punch the hardest? No. Does he throw the fastest punches? No (it's close though). Is he the smartest? Fore sure!
And I think Manny tried to be agressive more than people are acknowledging. But he couldn't "do his thing" against Floyd. Floyd has a history of not letting fighters get in their "pocket".
So.....boring in the sense of not a lot of blood and punches flailing about? Sure. But as Eugene 2 mentioned, we have MMA for that now. Knock yourself out. Watching an undefeated fighter pick his amazing opponents apart and finding a way to win every time?? That is still fascinating to me. So I enjoyed the fight very much. I think that to the casual viewer the fight was boring, but those folks aren't taking into account the work and skill one has to have to make a fight SEEM that way.
Eugene 2's comments are spot on in my book! :)
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I like boxing but IMO boxers, even the best ones, are dumb brutes compared to a great MMA fighter. Let's be honest- even the best technical boxer is pretty one dimensional compared to a fighter that uses her entire body to fight with. There's just so much more to prepare for in MMA; not just simple jabs and hooks, you have to defend against takedowns, kicks and joint locks, too. Floyd wouldn't last three minutes against a great mixed martial artist. :thumb: Unless that fighter wasn't allowed to use all his or her skills. :lol:
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I hate what Floyd has done to boxing, to be honest. His effect is he turns boxing discussions into politics. The two camps are "I don't care how good he is, I just want to see a good fight", and the other camp is "you luddites just don't understand the sweet science". I'm firmly in the first camp, which to my mind is the only one that makes sense. I mean, how many times has anybody watched re-runs of Tampa Bay winning the '02 Super Bowl? Probably not very many, because it was a snooze fest. And just like after their victory, the apologists came out in force. The difference in boxing is someone's reign on top doesn't just last a year, it can last a decade. So the apologists stick around for a long, long time.
I watch every boxing match I can find, no matter who. The only hope is that something memorable will happen, but Floyd simply prevents anything memorable from ever happening. Yes, I understand perfectly well just how good he is at controlling ring action. I get perfectly well that he's the best in the World at winning a boxing match by points, so what, it's completely forgettable. For all Floyd's talk of being an entertainer and giving the fans what they want, you'd think he might at some point try and do exactly that, but it's all just lip service.
The other thing Floyd is the best at, and likely the best ever, is his discipline. He stays so incredibly disciplined no matter what the circumstance, unfortunately his discipline is avoiding exchanges no matter what. At all costs he avoids exchanging and has done so consistently since Oscar. Who seriously wants to pay to watch that? When you hear an athlete in any sport say what Floyd did before this fight, that he had lost his passion and was fighting for money and legacy, they're done. No athlete admits that, especially not the night of the biggest stage of their life. The couple times Floyd got hit you could see on his face just how much he dislikes it. He's able to do enough to win without having to risk getting hit, so that's what he does because his passion is gone.
Floyd has created a huge problem for himself, and for boxing. I've thought about this fight a lot today. The problem is with all the hype for this fight, it brought a lot of new potential fans into the circle. A lot of people gave boxing a chance that hadn't done so before, and after watching this fight most of them never will again ... at least not for a long time. The boxing newbies will watch that fight and think "boxing sucks", and continue on with their life. I have a feeling this fight left such a bad taste I people's mouths, that his next PPV will be lucky to gross 10% of what this one did. For myself, I'm not getting suckered again. Floyd will never see another dollar from me.
I do hope Floyd is true to his word and retires after his next fight, it's time for boxing to move on and give focus to any one of the many fighters out there who DO entertain. Next week will almost certainly be a more entertaining fight, Canelo v Kirkland. I'm ready to somebody step up to the GGG challenge, I'm ready for a Kovalev v Stevenson matchup. The fight they alluded too of Santa Cruz v Abner Mares would be a hum dinger. So many fights and fighters out there guaranteed to entertain more than anything Mayweather has done in the last decade.
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When the history books are written, they'll mention Mayweather in the footnotes.
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The problem with boxing today, as I see it, transcends these two guys. Imagine if, say, the New England Patriots could stay the Super Bowl champs but decide they're just not going to play the Seahawks any more. And imagine if the NFL was fine with that! The Pats could hold the East Lombardy Trophy, Seattle had the West Lombardy and Dallas could claim the South Lombardy without having to beat either of the other two. That's pretty much where boxing is now. It's like a bunch of little fiefdoms, each with its own liege-lord, independent of the rest. There are very few genuinely mandatory defenses of a title; when a champ does defend it it's generally against an opponent of his choosing, at the time of his choosing, under the conditions the champ dictates. By setting so many ridiculous conditions Money May was able to dodge Pacman for half a decade until the fight was irrelevant to most of us. And this isn't an aberration, it's the normal way boxing operates in the 21st century.
Realistically why does a boxer need a year or two to train for an opponent? There's so much less going on in the boxing ring vs another martial art, yet an MMA fighter will only require a few months to prepare. Mostly it's money and a way to drag out the process.
And boxing is killing itself with PPV. It used to be in the TNF days that you could see top drawer fighters on TV all the time. Especially as they're coming up. Now it seems like boxing coverage is pretty poor and you can't see any decent fight without getting PPV. Maybe I just haven't followed closely enough (and I didn't have a TV for a while) but who wants to pay $100 to watch the champ demolish someone you've only read about once or twice?
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Floyd will maybe get the credit he deserves when he's dead and gone. It wouldn't be the first time someone great wasnt appreciated during their life time.
I am also excited about the upcoming Canelo fight! There are a LOT of great boxers out there right now...and also, NBC aired live boxing for the first time in like 30 years or something, not long ago so.....I think that's a sign that boxing is on the rise again. Youtube also makes it easy to catch up on a fighter's past bouts and watch commentary from countless boxing enthusiasts. Again, this is a good time for boxing. You want blood and fighters recklessly trying to tear each others head off? There are plenty of options! I love those kinds of fights as well!
Lastly MMA, and boxing? Two different disciplines. I think maybe it makes you feel good to mention your speculation that Mayweather would fail in an MMA environment (I guess whatever helps you imagine some scenario with him losing haha) but...... Please, its a WHOLE other kind of sport. I'll continue looking at Mayweather as what he is. A BOXER.
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Oh, and boxers train for MONTHS for a fight..... Not YEARS. At least the boxers I follow..
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The only loss by Money May that would satisfy me would be in court. It would be nice to see a serial batterer of woman get more than a slap on the wrist. Of course he's a boxer but you probably know that he also dabbled in or stated that he was training in MMA some time back. He opened that door so I think it's fair to explore it. He's every bit as a great at boxing as he is terrible at being a decent human being, no denying his skill in the former and failings in the latter.
It's nice to see NBC show a fight every 30 years or so though. :lol: I loved TNF but when it went away it left a big hole for many years. I think there's a new boxing show on now but I haven't had a chance to see it yet.
I think until there's a real sanctioning body with some teeth and some balls boxing is going to a series of one-of spectacles. By a "real" sanctioning body I mean one that can force defenses and suspend people when they do the kind of things Mayweather has done. The NFL was very slow to come around and the cynic in my will readily admit they don't really have a conscience- they just realize they need to take some meaning action for PR purposes. But if something positive is done, even for crass and cynical reasons, it still benefits people. Maybe an NFL prospect will think twice before knocking out his wife or GF in an elevator and dragging her unconscious body out by the hair. Maybe insisting on decent human behavior outside of the ring will even trickle down to boxing someday. Hopefully before boxing is banned.
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May weather is a great boxer,but with a thug mentality. Any guy that beats women is no man
In my book. MMA is intertwining but a sport totally with disaster written all over it look at Ken shamrock and many others by the time they are 50 Parkinson's will be in the advanced stages due to the severity
Of the head trauma .boxers have to where 12 oz gloves .used to be 8 oz. maybe 6 oz in MMA.
And ground fighting elbows directly to the brain. My wife works in the ER .concussions are a regular thing.
The commission says it is not dangerous ,even football fully padded and severe brain concussion injuries.
In time The MMA will have protection in place ,or hundreds will suffer permanently.
I like the MMA and talent but any person with a brain knows that if you have to many fights
You will loose your senses. Cap scans don't lie. Guys like Dana white only care about the
Money makers,all others are punching bags gor entertainment watching them get destroyed
Wonder lay silva ,a perfect example a face of scar tissue and little brains.
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Wasn't what happened?
No one said anything about dancing or shoulder rolling.
You have to watch the video to understand the statement. And yes jackman, you're right on both counts. I knew you were linking a joke and the fight wasn't worth the asking price. My statesmen was suppose to be more generally directed at all of us who thought Mayweather would have to run to escape Manny's onslaught, the one that never happened. He never pressed Floyd and it made for a dull fight. The couple of times he did the crowd roared, but those brief moments were far too fleeting to make a fight out of it.
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Yeah. I'll watch the video.
I was in "serious conversation" mode at the time, so Jackman's interjection of sarcasm was lost on me.
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The problem with boxing today, as I see it, transcends these two guys. Imagine if, say, the New England Patriots could stay the Super Bowl champs but decide they're just not going to play the Seahawks any more. And imagine if the NFL was fine with that! The Pats could hold the East Lombardy Trophy, Seattle had the West Lombardy and Dallas could claim the South Lombardy without having to beat either of the other two. That's pretty much where boxing is now. It's like a bunch of little fiefdoms, each with its own liege-lord, independent of the rest. There are very few genuinely mandatory defenses of a title; when a champ does defend it it's generally against an opponent of his choosing, at the time of his choosing, under the conditions the champ dictates. By setting so many ridiculous conditions Money May was able to dodge Pacman for half a decade until the fight was irrelevant to most of us. And this isn't an aberration, it's the normal way boxing operates in the 21st century.
Realistically why does a boxer need a year or two to train for an opponent? There's so much less going on in the boxing ring vs another martial art, yet an MMA fighter will only require a few months to prepare. Mostly it's money and a way to drag out the process.
And boxing is killing itself with PPV. It used to be in the TNF days that you could see top drawer fighters on TV all the time. Especially as they're coming up. Now it seems like boxing coverage is pretty poor and you can't see any decent fight without getting PPV. Maybe I just haven't followed closely enough (and I didn't have a TV for a while) but who wants to pay $100 to watch the champ demolish someone you've only read about once or twice?
Could not disagree more. Why do we feel it's necessary, or even right, to have sanctioning bodies that impose morality on athletes? If Floyd want to be a piece of crap person, more power to him. If he crosses a line, that's why we have a legal system, imperfect as it may be. If Floyd was an entertaining fighter I'd enjoy watching, what he does in his home is his business, and if it was that bad his wife would leave or at least press charges. But it really bothers me when politicians like Goddell suspend players for cases where charges are dropped, that goes against everything American about innocent until proven guilty.
You're wrong about all the sanctioning bodies in boxing too, more is actually a good thing. More champions means more 12 round fights, and they do often impose mandatory #1 challengers or else you lose your belt. There's nothing wrong with the sanctioning bodies, the only issue with boxing is the politics between promoters like Arum and Golden Boy.
And boxers don't train for a year, it's typically 3 months or less. GGG fights every 3 months or even less, the majority of active boxers have 2-3 (sometimes 4) fights a year. So don't try and inject the MMA is better BS, it is and always will be the red-headed step-child.
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Vapor,
Agree with your take on the fight almost entirely but not your take on the multiple sanctioning bodies. When even many fans can't tell you who, say, the super middleweight champion is, that is a problem for the sport. It also makes it possible for "champions" to duck contenders they don't want to fight.
Teddy Atlas was speculating as to what taking "selfies" on his ring walk said about Manny's mindset. I think that's a good point. Surely he could not have thought this fight would be easy. Maidana, who fights like a Rock 'em Sock 'em Robot (remember those?), had more success against Floyd then Manny did. When you have an event of this high a profile, and both fans and boxing journalists are writing about what a bore it was and what a let down it was, that is bad for the sport. $99 for a noncompetitive fight isn't going to do anything except make casual fans who bought into the 'buzz' feel like they were ripped off- and they won't be back. The Alvarez fight next week is probably going to be twice as good as this fight was.
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MMA is almost an entirely different animal. It is not the red headed step-child to boxing, however, even if you aren't into it.
That's almost like saying Crossfit is the red headed step child to Olympic Lifting. Crossfit is very multifaceted and one doesn't need to be an expert in any single area to be competitive. Olympic Lifting is purer and takes MUCH more mastery to be competitive.
But anyway, both boxing and martial arts have their competitive place in the Olympics. Let's just leave it at that, and stick to the topic.
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The equivalent to Saturday night's fight in the UFC is either UFC 187 on May 23rd or UFC 189 on July 11th.
Though Jon Jones and Nurmagomedov are off the 187 fight card there are still a bunch of interesting matchups to draw the casual fan in. My favorite fighted is Donald Cerrone who is fighting that night. He is the coolest cat in the sport, in my opinion, and is all about showing the people a good fight. Case in point, if you don't come to throw down this is how he reacts https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chgydOYL5AY
Then UFC 189 has Conor McGregor. He talks like Mayweather but is more interesting and doesn't have the horrible legal trouble. The UFC has a series about him called "The Notorious" which is an interesting watch if you are a fight fan.
Is anyone going to be watching these? :thumb:
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Most of you guys work so you probably didn't see ESPN's "First Take" this morning. Allow me . . the co-hosts began talking about a rematch today and guess where? You had to see this coming . . Macao, the Las Vegas of the East. Floyd could say no but why would he unless he is just plain tired. I wouldn't hold it against him if he did. In fact, I would like for him to say, "Money isn't all there is and I have plenty. Think I'll take up tennis". What network wouldn't like to have him as an announcer. All that money makes me suspicious. Would Floyd lose so there could be a third fight? I'm gonna say no and hope I'm right.
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In fact, I would like for him to say, "Money isn't all there is and I have plenty. All that money makes me suspicious. Would Floyd lose so there could be a third fight? I'm gonna say no and hope I'm right.
Well to us mere mortals, a $180 million purse sure sounds like a lot of money but let's not forget that after taxes that's only $486.94. Ok, they both got free towels as well and sure that's a real nice perk but I'm guessing that's not enough to disuade them from turning down a rematch.
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Well to us mere mortals, a $180 million purse sure sounds like a lot of money but let's not forget that after taxes that's only $486.94. Ok, they both got free towels as well and sure that's a real nice perk but I'm guessing that's not enough to disuade them from turning down a rematch.
The fight was 100% marketing hype. I can't imagine boxing fans paying money to see a rematch. No one considers making a sequel to a movie that bombed at the box office.
Why did it take 6 years for this fight to happen? Because if the fight occurred in 2010, how much money do you think they would have made compared to last weekend? There's a reason this guy's nickname is, "Money."
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Well to us mere mortals, a $180 million purse sure sounds like a lot of money but let's not forget that after taxes that's only $486.94. Ok, they both got free towels as well and sure that's a real nice perk but I'm guessing that's not enough to disuade them from turning down a rematch.
I wonder if Floyd could get a license to sell cars and take a loss on all the ones he owns. Hey, his gym is in his house, isn't it? Wouldn't that be a deduction? Plus what he pays his dad and uncle? Bet his tax accountant is glad to have him as a client.
Early, bet those Asians would stand in a line as long as The Great Wall to show their support.
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The fight was 100% marketing hype. I can't imagine boxing fans paying money to see a rematch. No one considers making a sequel to a movie that bombed at the box office.
Why did it take 6 years for this fight to happen? Because if the fight occurred in 2010, how much money do you think they would have made compared to last weekend? There's a reason this guy's nickname is, "Money."
Well, this one didn't exactly bomb at the box office, but a rematch surely would. Having seen a DVR of the fight now (a welcome diversion), I can agree with Early B's other points. There was absolutely nothing about it that suggested a rematch would be any different. If Floyd fights Manny 5 times he will beat him 5 times. 118-110 might be a bit over the top (not the first example of such from Moretti) but any rematch would just be more of the same. And I am disappointed in Manny claiming a shoulder injury. To me, his footwork, supposedly one of his best weapons, looked "off". Injury or no, he was straight-up outclassed. He's done enough and should retire but will probably take a fight against a softer opponent in order to finish on a win.
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Well ain't this a kick in the ass
http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id/12821905/manny-pacquiao-surgery-significant-tear-rotator-cuff-right-shoulder
Out as long as a year? Retire. You can't sit out a year at that age and be effective. Just ask Ray Leonard. Not to mention the folks who paid $100 to see you thinking you were OK to fight. Retire.
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Well ain't this a kick in the ass
http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id/12821905/manny-pacquiao-surgery-significant-tear-rotator-cuff-right-shoulder
Out as long as a year? Retire. You can't sit out a year at that age and be effective. Just ask Ray Leonard. Not to mention the folks who paid $100 to see you thinking you were OK to fight. Retire.
I'm no conspiracy theorist, but if Manny wants to get another big payday, that's a great way to do it.
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Hey, his gym is in his house, isn't it?
I understand that he refers to his Home/gym as his 'Hoym'. I think that's where the term 'hoymies' originated, though I'm not sure about that.
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The parties and some promoter may give us another bout. Don't think it will be in Vegas. Might not be as hard to sell as you are expecting. Might even be a better contest. Interest could wane what with Manny's injury and the year it would take to recover. But, if there is money to be made . .
And humans can be sold anything.
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I'm no conspiracy theorist, but if Manny wants to get another big payday, that's a great way to do it.
I'd love to see Manny get more money. He donates a lot to his country, which if you don't know, is one of the poorest in Asia if not the world. The Philippines is still reeling from typhoon Haiyan (which devasted a large part of the country back in November 2013 and claimed 6340 lives.....plus more unaccounted for). The body count was so bad that they could do nothing but leave them practically as they lay, while the living were being tended to.
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Mayweather doesn't need the money and he is the champ. What incentive does he have to fight again?
a) to show that he can beat Pacman if Manny is in the best shape of his life
b) there is no money like mo money
c) IRS troubles
d) more historical limelight
e) who else is he gonna fight
Would he go to China? Probably not his first choice but if the money is right?
Worst case there will be 3 fights and if that happens you gotta suspect that you've been played tho I can't imagine anyone could stay that much interested.
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And humans can be sold anything.
:lol: :lol:
Sometimes we underestimate this basic fact.
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When has Mayweather actually needed more money? :lol: He's greedy- he'll take more.
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Maybe he'll join the fans who filed a class-action suit against Manny Pacquiao and his team for concealing his rotator cuff injury prior to the fight:
http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id/12827249/two-fans-file-class-action-lawsuit-manny-pacquiao-undisclosed-injury
This fight isn't going to be just a "black eye" for boxing. By the time all is said and done, it's going to be two black eyes, a cracked rib... and a torn rotator cuff.
Phooey.
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Boy! Floyd has ruined boxing???? It's time for him to move on??? Crazy, he is merely too good and diminishes good fighters to average Joe's. If any one ruined the fight Saturday it was Manny's lack of effort, driven undoubtedly by those stinging right hands that seem to make every fighter he faces stop fighting after the 8th or 9th round. Watch the Canelo fight and see if he also stopped around the same time. I do believe Pac had a problem with his shoulder, but the few times he mounted an attack he threw punches with velocity, just most of them missed.
This is reminiscent of the days when Ali was fighting and everyone rooted against the un-American draft dodger. May weather is hated for a multitude of reasons some of them fair and some unfair, he has beaten everyone they put in front of him, people are yelling how bad or boring the fight was, I watched it in a huge packed sports bar and the people went crazy screaming for twelve rounds...
I don't mind the cars and the bragging Jay Leno and Senfield have extensive car collections, Mayweather gives a lot of money to charity also, look it up. I dislike the way he treats women so I'll never be a fan of the man. One last thing, you want to know who's ruining boxing, look at Klitchko's last couple of fights, far worse a giant man hugging his opponent for 12 rounds and he's the heavyweight champion, where's the public out cry? Stop with the MMA comparisons it's not more technical it's a different discipline, it's organized street fighting, if you like that sort of thing watch it. You guys have fun...
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:lol: You're beating a dead horse. Almost every point you make, no one has really denied nor made a huge argument for. I agree with most of what you're saying, but your comparison to Ali is a stretch.
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Luv your take, Eugene, on the big Russkie. Who might beat him, tho? And when is Golovkin gonna fight a top ten guy? He's being nursed thru the ranks so far. Hate it when that happens.
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Boy! Floyd has ruined boxing???? It's time for him to move on??? Crazy, he is merely too good and diminishes good fighters to average Joe's. If any one ruined the fight Saturday it was Manny's lack of effort, driven undoubtedly by those stinging right hands that seem to make every fighter he faces stop fighting after the 8th or 9th round. Watch the Canelo fight and see if he also stopped around the same time. I do believe Pac had a problem with his shoulder, but the few times he mounted an attack he threw punches with velocity, just most of them missed.
This is reminiscent of the days when Ali was fighting and everyone rooted against the un-American draft dodger. May weather is hated for a multitude of reasons some of them fair and some unfair, he has beaten everyone they put in front of him, people are yelling how bad or boring the fight was, I watched it in a huge packed sports bar and the people went crazy screaming for twelve rounds...
I don't mind the cars and the bragging Jay Leno and Senfield have extensive car collections, Mayweather gives a lot of money to charity also, look it up. I dislike the way he treats women so I'll never be a fan of the man. One last thing, you want to know who's ruining boxing, look at Klitchko's last couple of fights, far worse a giant man hugging his opponent for 12 rounds and he's the heavyweight champion, where's the public out cry? Stop with the MMA comparisons it's not more technical it's a different discipline, it's organized street fighting, if you like that sort of thing watch it. You guys have fun...
Who said Floyd has ruined boxing??? Not me. I said that the fact that it was a noncompetitive fight after waiting for it for five years , not to mention a record $99 to watch a boring fight on TV,was bad for boxing. They were yelling at the MGM too- yelling "BOOOOOoooo!!!" I have no kind words for Team Pacquiao either. The fans, as usual, got hosed, and that was mostly Team Pac's fault .
And yeah, agree about Klitschko; that's a guy I don't like to watch. He can't help that the heavyweight division he fights in is the worst in history, but he just isn't entertaining, even when he's knocking guys out. I hope Wilder gets a shot at him at some point.
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Who said Floyd has ruined boxing??? Not me.
I did, and I'm holding to it! Well, I didn't say ruined, but is ruining boxing. The effect of this fight will take years for boxing to get over. It was the most hyped fight in decades and was a total dud, just like every Mayweather fight is. The people new to boxing who had that fight as their introduction will likely never give it another chance, that fight will damage boxing for some time.
And yeah, agree about Klitschko; that's a guy I don't like to watch. He can't help that the heavyweight division he fights in is the worst in history, but he just isn't entertaining, even when he's knocking guys out. I hope Wilder gets a shot at him at some point.
I'm not a Klitschko fan either, unfortunately the more exciting of the two retired. Still, I'd rather watch most Klitschko fights than Mayweather fights. The Pulev fight was pretty good, can't say that about any Mayweather fight in the last 5 years.
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It was the most hyped fight in decades and was a total dud, just like every Mayweather fight is. The people new to boxing who had that fight as their introduction will likely never give it another chance, that fight will damage boxing for some time.
Hey, I haven't liked Mayweather either, not since he referred to a contract for more than most people see in a lifetime of hard work as a 'slave contract'. Screw him.
But now it seems that Manny may bear some of the blame for the 'dudness' by fighting as 'damaged goods'. I'm equally disinterested in seeing either at this point. Floyd will take the 'safest' opponent he can find (as he sees it) in his last fight, and I'm not interested in watching a 37-year-old Pacman shake off a year of ring rust against a 'tuneup' opponent. Thank you for the exciting fights you have given us in the past, Manny, but this wasn't one of them.
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Hey, I haven't liked Mayweather either, not since he referred to a contract for more than most people see in a lifetime of hard work as a 'slave contract'. Screw him.
But now it seems that Manny may bear some of the blame for the 'dudness' by fighting as 'damaged goods'. I'm equally disinterested in seeing either at this point. Floyd will take the 'safest' opponent he can find (as he sees it) in his last fight, and I'm not interested in watching a 37-year-old Pacman shake off a year of ring rust against a 'tuneup' opponent. Thank you for the exciting fights you have given us in the past, Manny, but this wasn't one of them.
Manny in my mind gets a pass because this was his one and only dud fight, and the only exciting moments of this fight were provided by Manny.
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"FIGHT OF THE CENTURY" BAD FOR BOXING
I suggest that when the post-fight headlines are as follows, the fight was BAD FOR BOXING:
"Class-action suits pepper Pacquiao, Promoters"
"Mayweather Accuses Pacquiao Of Making Excuses"
"Showtime, HBO Produce Superb Telecast Even if Fight Wasn't So Good"
"Pacquiao Could Face Discipline For Hiding Injury"
Those are just from ESPN's boxing page.
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I love it. High time all these star studded grifters get exposed. Pro sports, movies, music, politics, you name it (because I don't dare to). Oh yeah, religion and banking (very similar).
We the people, because we are gullible and easily lead, have been exploited at an ever accelerating rate for 30 odd years. The internet might just backfire on these capitalist plunderers.
Meanwhile, stop buying everything for 6 months and see how much impact we can really have if we operate collectively. I'm sure we all have experience trying to talk to them as individuals. Lets try it as a group.
Manny could be bankrupted and his co-conspirator Mayfeather could get dragged into it as well. Surely there was a collaboration of some kind.
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I'm not by nature a conspiracy theorist but as deflating as both performances were, perhaps we shouldn't overlook the possibility that Floyd's team might have secretly rigged Manny's locker room thermostat and that the the softness and squishiness in his shoulder was the direct result of the muscles reacting to colder than normal ambient temperatures which led to the rotator cuff injury. It's a scientific fact that cold temperatures cause muscles to deflate and it's more probable than not that without the muscle deflation, the fight might have turned Manny's way. Just sayin'.
And did you know that P.T. Barnum never said "There's a sucker born every minute" but rather it was a criticism by David Hannum about Barnum's slippery salesmanship and his customers.