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Title: Benchmark DAC3 series thread. Official? .... Nah, but goooood!
Post by: pstrisik on 17 Nov 2017, 03:21 am
Benchmark Media’s DAC3 series has gotten quite the buzz lately.  So, I thought I would start a dedicated thread rather than all these snippets in various other DAC threads.  I will forward the link to this thread to Benchmark.  Whether they will participate or not I don’t know, but good chance they are reading, anyway.


I ordered a DAC3-L to replace my Cambridge Audio Azur 851N (combo CXN streamer and 851D DAC) after obtaining a used AURALiC Aries.  The Aries made a marked difference in sound quality.  Now I had a streamer/DAC only being used as a DAC and one that is quite large.  The Aries and DAC3 together aren’t as big as the 851N. 

I also had a good quality (DECWare) passive switch to change between pre/pro for home theater and preamp for stereo.  The DAC3 HT bypass feature lets me eliminate that extra switch completely along with the extra connections and cables involved.  Though I haven't yet done the reworking of the connections.  This weekend for sure.

Initial listening has been positive playing through my preamp with XLR connection and jumpers for padding at -20db.  I’m hoping for more improvement with various trials of different connections, particularly directly to the amp using the DAC3 as preamp.  Benchmark strongly recommends this approach and I’m looking forward to it.  Tonight I'm listening with RCA connection to the preamp.

Next post has product info and links.  I will post more of a review with photos (we gotta have our porn!) after trying the different setups.
Have one yourself?  Post a review and photos.  Questions?  Fire away.  I may not be able to answer everything, but someone will likely have answers.

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                        .....Peter

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Title: Re: Benchmark DAC3 series thread. Official? .... Nah, but goooood!
Post by: pstrisik on 17 Nov 2017, 03:22 am

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A New Reference - Going Beyond the Legendary DAC1 and DAC2

The DAC3 is Benchmark's newest 2-channel D/A converter featuring the new ESS Technologies ES9028PRO converter chip. The DAC3 converter has lower THD and THD+N noise than Benchmark's DAC2 converter.
Benchmark's DAC1 and DAC2 D/A converter families have been the reference to which other converters have been compared. It is rare to find a converter review that does not draw comparisons to the DAC1 or the DAC2. Benchmark converters are in daily use at many of the world's finest recording studios and mastering rooms. Benchmark converters are also enjoyed by thousands of audiophiles. Benchmark has raised the bar again ... the DAC3 defines a new reference.

Reference Performance

The DAC3  delivers outstanding musical detail and precise stereo imaging. It employs an advanced high-headroom digital filter design, and a high-sample-rate Asynchronous USB Audio interface. All inputs are fully isolated from interface jitter by Benchmark's new UltraLock3™ jitter attenuation system.
Internal digital processing and conversion is 32-bits, and this processing includes 3.5 dB of headroom above 0 dBFS. This headroom prevents the DSP overloads that commonly occur in other D/A converters.
Four balanced 32-bit D/A converters are summed together to create each balanced analog output. This 4:1 summation provides a 6 dB noise reduction, and gives the DAC3 industry-leading performance.

DAC3 vs. DAC2

The DAC3 builds upon Benchmark’s highly successful DAC2 product family. The DAC3 maintains the familiar DAC2 form factor and feature set, but adds the higher performance available from the new ES9028PRO D/A converter. The DAC3 offers the following improvements over the DAC2:
•   Active 2nd Harmonic Compensation
•   Active 3rd Harmonic Compensation
•   Lower THD+N
•   Lower passband ripple
•   Improved frequency response
•   Faster PLL lock times
•   Faster switching between input signals

DAC3 vs. DAC1

The DAC3 and DAC2 added these features that were not found on the DAC1:
•   Asynchronous 192kHz USB Audio 2.0
•   32-bit D/A conversion system
•   Word Length Display
•   Sample Rate Display
•   Polarity Control
•   Direct DSD D/A Conversion
•   -20 dB DIM
•   Bi-Directional 12V Trigger
•   Power Switch with Auto-On Function
•   Home Theater Bypass
•   Digital Pass-Through
•   High-Headroom DSP
•   Dual-Domain Hybrid Gain Control
•   Additional I/O

Links

Product Pages:  https://benchmarkmedia.com/collections/digital-to-analog-audio-converter (https://benchmarkmedia.com/collections/digital-to-analog-audio-converter)
Manual:  https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0321/7609/files/DAC3_Series_Manual_Rev_B.pdf
Stereophile Review:  https://www.stereophile.com/content/benchmark-dac3-hgc-da-preamplifier-headphone-amplifier

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Title: Re: Benchmark DAC3 series thread. Official? .... Nah, but goooood!
Post by: pstrisik on 17 Nov 2017, 03:32 am
Miscellaneous info that I'll add to as we go along.........

The DAC3 series has three models.  The DAC3 HGC is the consumer DAC/Headamp.  The DAC3 L is the consumer DAC without the Headamp.  Otherwise the same.  The DAC3 DX is geared towards pros.  It is the DAC/Headamp but with an AES/EBU connection instead of analog inputs.

You can order any of them in black or silver and with or without the remote (very classy remote, BTW).

In order of cost, from most to least is HGC, DX, L.

I think there are four settings done with jumpers (two with the DAC3 L).  One is only if you are using the balanced XLR outputs - gain padding (lowers output).  One is only if you want one input to be digital pass through (rare use, IMO).  Two are for headphones - output level and whether or not the analog outputs are muted when headphones are plugged in.

Title: Re: Benchmark DAC3 series thread. Official? .... Nah, but goooood!
Post by: JLM on 17 Nov 2017, 02:01 pm
Thanks for starting this thread.  Benchmark is a no nonsense American prosumer manufacturer (high praise in my book). 

Seems that Benchmark is focused on low distortion/noise levels (but not at the cost of transparency, dynamics, neutrality, precision, or imaging) with balanced design being an essential part of the design.  In fact they recommend pairing the DAC3 directly with their AHB2 power amp which also has vanishingly low distortion (balance inputs only). 

pstrisik:  What pre/power amp do you use with the DAC3L?  What other DAC/preamps have you compared with?  Have you connected to an analog source (that some reviewers report it's only relatively weak spot)?

Likes:  good preamp performance, balanced design, the ES9028PRO chip, not power fussy/power supply built-in, small size

Quibbles:  no balanced inputs (currently have no need), LED's used vs. digital display, no digital volume display, only goes up to DSD64 (currently have no need), no MQA (currently have no need)

Note:  The Mytek Brooklyn DAC+ has just been released that is very competitive to the DAC3 in sonic terms but adds digital display, higher DSD formats, and MQA for the same price.
Title: Re: Benchmark DAC3 series thread. Official? .... Nah, but goooood!
Post by: pstrisik on 17 Nov 2017, 06:02 pm
Agreed about Benchmark rep. 

So far I've only compared XLR (with -20db padding) to the RCA output, both into my preamp.  Very close but, to my ears, the XLR has a slight advantage in high frequency response.  That may be more related to level matching and/or perception though.  I am able to switch back and forth between the preamp inputs so I don't have to do any connection changes to compare.  The preamp fortunately remembers level setting for each input.

The chain is:  flac files on NAS or Tidal lossless via Roon control => AURALiC Aries => miniDSP DDRC-22D => DAC3-L => Audio-GD HE-1 preamp => DECWare passive/manual switch => First Watt J2.  I am using Omega Super Alnico Monitors (SAMs), single driver, full range, ~93-95db.  But, am tri-amping.  A Marchand active xover splits signal at 190Hz with frequencies above to the First Watt, below to powered stereo Rythmik 8" mid-woofers.  The mid-woofers extend down to 30Hz and a stereo pair of Rythmik F12s do the below 30Hz work.

Today I will eliminate that DECWare switch that has let me choose between my pre/pro for HT and preamp for music, routing through the DAC3's analog input HT bypass.  Then will be to connect DAC3 directly to the First Watt (can try both XLR and RCA there, too), bypassing the preamp.

I've had a bunch of different preamps and DACs over the years though, until I got my Omega/Rythmik speaker system setup, I don't feel like anything before that is comparable.  So main comparison is with Dennis Had Inspire LP-2 preamp and with Cambridge Audio Azur 851N (the network streamer version of their well-regarded 851D - basically a CXN streamer/851D combo in one box (that will be for sale shortly if anyone is interested  :wink:)). 

No analog input.  Sold my turntable and vinyl a couple of years ago.  Since the DAC3 doesn't have a phono input, I would think the phono preamp would be a bigger variable than the DAC3 in analog sound.  Analog would bypass the DAC processing.

The DAC3 seems to offer some improvement over the 851N.  No wine tasting jargon - just sounds more natural, more present, more definition of instruments and voices.  I'm still evaluating whether I am getting a slight edge with the added resolution or whether that is just the unfamiliarity of the new equipment.  If break-in change is real, that will help.  And, I'm hoping that removing the switch and routing directly to the amp will remove all doubt.  Stay tuned!

The Brooklyn looks like a worthy competitor.  It betters the DAC3 with features adding phono input, digital displays, but has no HT bypass function that I can see.  But sound quality would be the determining factor.  Would need to have both to compare.  The Brooklyn manual refers to some kind of volume control bypass - perhaps that could be used as HT bypass if it can be applied to a single analog input.  I don't have any interest in MQA or DSD.  Sound quality determination aside, I think the biggest weakness with the DAC3 is the lack of digital display.  Hard to see what's going on, particularly in dim light, even visually seeing volume level.  But, if it gives the performance I like, this would be lower on my list of criteria.
Title: Re: Benchmark DAC3 series thread. Official? .... Nah, but goooood!
Post by: JLM on 18 Nov 2017, 01:28 pm
I'm very much with you pstrisik.

No vinyl, literally dropped my TT 30+ years ago and never looked back (was just out of college and hadn't built up a big vinyl library in anticipation of digital).

Have also listened to MQA a couple of times and not impressed.  And prefer the original "classic" recordings that I know and love versus the "authenticated" versions.

I listen in my man cave (audio front/office rear) that follows Cardas Golden Cuboid ratios and near-field setup.  I use six GIK 244 panels at front/side wall first reflection points and front corners.  Although effect elsewhere, in this room/setup offer little advantage.

Also run single driver (AlNiCo) speakers, with a Late Ceiling Splash (search AC) tweeter and recently added a nice 10" sealed sub (even though the speakers are rated 25 - 20,000 Hz). 

My source is my laptop, using a 10ft USB cable to a DSPeaker Anti-Mode 2.0 Dual Core DAC/preamp/DSP.  Tried Schiit Gungnir multi-bit DAC and Freya balanced tube preamp last spring but overall (for my ripped CD based library) preferred the DSPeaker.

My very basic (low priority) AV system is in another room, so no need for HT bypass.

Yes, it's all about the sound.

Hope others jump in.   :icon_lol:
Title: Re: Benchmark DAC3 series thread. Official? .... Nah, but goooood!
Post by: pstrisik on 19 Nov 2017, 07:54 pm
I emailed Mytek out of curiousity and said: "My question is regarding the Brooklyn DAC+.  I don’t see any reference to a Home Theater Bypass function.  But I see some reference to volume control bypass ability.  Could the analog line in input only be setup to bypass volume control, either resulting in full output or unity gain (the latter being preferable)?  Is this different than a HT Bypass function?  If not, is there a reason you don’t promote it as such?" 

Meanwhile, I eliminated my passive switch now that I have the HT bypass function in the DAC3.  Works as advertised.  I switch to the Analog1 input, the HT light comes on and the volume knob moves to 2:00.  Very seamless going back and forth between video and music and without having to get up to do it,  :thumb:.

I realized, to my embarassment and chagrin, that I can't utilize the XLR connection with my current setup since I have the Marchand active crossover splitting the signal before going to the amps and that piece is RCA only.

Perhaps XLR would add a bit of quality (or lose a bit of noise) if I could do that, but no matter for now.  My system is at its all time best.  Unfortunately, I don't know what is most responsible for the positive change since eliminating the switch affected the relative levels of the amps and I had to recalibrate with Dirac Live in the miniDSP DDRC-22.  Getting happier and happier!  Next - probably next weekend - will be bypassing the preamp altogether and connecting the RCA output from the DAC3 directly to the Marchand xover which then goes to the amps.  This will be the real test for the possibility of major changes with that approach.  Even if no difference, I'd be happy with the sound now and glad to eliminate a major heat generating large piece like the audio-gd preamp. 

Bottom line for me is that this DAC is helping my system be the best that I've heard yet.   :singing:

           .......Peter
Title: Re: Benchmark DAC3 series thread. Official? .... Nah, but goooood!
Post by: JDoyle on 20 Nov 2017, 12:23 am
I was recently thinking "Brooklyn" until I read this thread and also saw the Benchmark's DAC 2 excellent rating from Stereophile... After snooping some more I saw this review on YouTube which made me wonder about its complexity (?).  Any thoughts on the setup issues mentioned in this review?

JD

https://youtu.be/1uRmEX41q84
Title: Re: Benchmark DAC3 series thread. Official? .... Nah, but goooood!
Post by: JLM on 20 Nov 2017, 11:18 am
If any one thinks Benchmark DAC's are complex, wait until you start to look into servers.

Seems to me that for most users (those with single analog and digital inputs and one pair of headphones) the DAC3 will be a plug and play affair, with no need to pop the top.  It might be another story if you swap gear constantly, but personally would still prefer changing internal jumpers than wade through a myriad of menus.

And love Ron's New Record Day review that follows.
Title: Re: Benchmark DAC3 series thread. Official? .... Nah, but goooood!
Post by: pstrisik on 20 Nov 2017, 03:59 pm
Not complicated, but inconvenient to have to take out 8 screws, remove the cover, in order to change settings.  On the positive side, these would typically be done at setup and rarely changed.  I think there are four settings done with jumpers (two with the DAC3 L).  One is only if you are using the balanced XLR outputs - gain padding (lowers output).  One is only if you want one input to be digital pass through (rare use, IMO).  Two are for headphones - output level and whether or not the analog outputs are muted when headphones are plugged in.

Title: Re: Benchmark DAC3 series thread. Official? .... Nah, but goooood!
Post by: JLM on 20 Nov 2017, 06:13 pm
Not clear exactly what the complexity complaints were from the youtube video reviewer, but this is after all a 3-in-1 piece.
Title: Re: Benchmark DAC3 series thread. Official? .... Nah, but goooood!
Post by: Mike B. on 20 Nov 2017, 06:26 pm
The review in Stereophile was glowing positive. Their test results showed a very well engineered product.
Title: Re: Benchmark DAC3 series thread. Official? .... Nah, but goooood!
Post by: pstrisik on 20 Nov 2017, 06:29 pm
Not clear exactly what the complexity complaints were from the youtube video reviewer, but this is after all a 3-in-1 piece.

I think he overdid it a bit in that regard!
Title: Re: Benchmark DAC3 series thread. Official? .... Nah, but goooood!
Post by: pstrisik on 20 Nov 2017, 06:30 pm
The review in Stereophile was glowing positive. Their test results showed a very well engineered product.

Yes, and a bit geeky. 
Title: Re: Benchmark DAC3 series thread. Official? .... Nah, but goooood!
Post by: pstrisik on 20 Nov 2017, 11:32 pm
I talked to Mytek about HT Bypass in the Brooklyn.  He said they have received more than my inquiry about this.  I may have been the straw; he is seeing if engineering will incorporate this in a firmware release in the next month or two - waiting for their response.  The Manhattan already has this, so I imagine it isn't an exceptionally difficult feature to implement given the similarities and the programmers existing familiarity with implementing it.

Edit:  And the reply from Mytek engineering:

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I've added this feature to the TODO list. We will implement it in the next firmware version.

 :thumb:
Title: Re: Benchmark DAC3 series thread. Official? .... Nah, but goooood!
Post by: pstrisik on 23 Nov 2017, 02:15 am
Now running the DAC3 directly to the First Watt J2 with no preamp.  Sure enough, clearer, fuller, cleaner.  Didn't really lose any gain.  I had my pre volume fixed at 3:00 which must be close to unity gain.  So the pre may have really only been serving as a buffer, but added a fair amount of electronics and connections to the path which are now gone.

I can't believe I'm about to sell my preamp (I still have a Dennis Had Inspire LP-2 tucked away though  :wink:).  It's a big, heavy, hot (Class A) box (Audio-gd HE-1).  That and changing out the Cambridge Audio 851N for the DAC3 and I'm losing quite a bit of cubic inches in equipment (and gaining in space).  Solid state electronics has turned a corner I'm believing! 

......Peter
Title: Re: Benchmark DAC3 series thread. Official? .... Nah, but goooood!
Post by: pstrisik on 23 Nov 2017, 05:22 pm
Got an email with a new "Application Note" from Benchmark.  Very interesting article on THD measurements and converting that .01% or .001% THD figure to something meaningful.

https://benchmarkmedia.com/blogs/application_notes/interpreting-thd-measurements-think-db-not-percent


         .......Peter
Title: Re: Benchmark DAC3 series thread. Official? .... Nah, but goooood!
Post by: JLM on 23 Nov 2017, 06:37 pm
Yes, audiophiles should know that the relationship between distortion (or power) and sound pressure levels (spl) is logarithmic. 

I appreciate their "Application Notes" and that they provide insight into their thinking.

I get frustrated when folks quibble between say 90 and 100 watts when the difference can't be heard (less than 1 dB).
Title: Re: Benchmark DAC3 series thread. Official? .... Nah, but goooood!
Post by: pstrisik on 23 Nov 2017, 07:09 pm
What was useful to me in that article was the sense of what .001% THD means in db and audibility of distortion in relation to the spl output of the system and what is currently playing. 

And...

Happy Thanksgiving to all in this part of the world!

Title: Re: Benchmark DAC3 series thread. Official? .... Nah, but goooood!
Post by: maty on 23 Nov 2017, 07:43 pm
pstrisik

I think you made an excellent purchase with the DAC 3. In Europe it is more complicated to buy Benchmark hard.

In EU, a great option, from world pro: RME ADI-2 Pro. But it is not a preamp.

https://www.rme-audio.de/en/products/adi_2-pro.php
Title: Re: Benchmark DAC3 series thread. Official? .... Nah, but goooood!
Post by: avta on 23 Nov 2017, 09:03 pm
Anyone had a chance to compare the sound of the Benchmark direct to amp with the new Mytek DAC+?
Title: Re: Benchmark DAC3 series thread. Official? .... Nah, but goooood!
Post by: pstrisik on 23 Nov 2017, 10:33 pm
Anyone had a chance to compare the sound of the Benchmark direct to amp with the new Mytek DAC+?

No, but if Mytek follows through with the firmware change for Home Theater Bypass, I will.

I've been reading some reviews and posts.  Most of the Brooklyn material is about the DAC, not the DAC+, so I assume we can notch it up slightly from the opinions read.  Lots of praise for the Brooklyn but I've never seen anyone say they think the Mytek sounds better than the Benchmark.  I have read some reviews/opinions that the Benchmark has an edge in sound.  That's often followed with something like, "But the wide range of features on the Brooklyn make it worth it".

Here are the three new characters in my system that have made a world of difference:  AURALiC Aries, miniDSP22-D, Benchmark DAC3-L.



(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=171762)
Title: Re: Benchmark DAC3 series thread. Official? .... Nah, but goooood!
Post by: JLM on 24 Nov 2017, 11:22 am
I brought up the (original) Brooklyn, not to burst a bubble, but to offer an alternative that AudioStream.com ranks 'Class A' versus Benchmark DAC2 HGC that they rank 'Class B'.  Note that Michael Lavorgna, main reviewer for AudioStream.com, owns the Brooklyn and uses it for his reviews, but the Benchmark was reviewed earlier by Steven Palskin (and as they say, especially in the DAC world, 'the first lair never stands a chance').

Mytek DAC's reportedly have a house sound, while Benchmark DAC's are simply honest and devoid of noise.  OTOH Brooklyn offers phono preamp and MQA features while as you mentioned Benchmark has a HT bypass.

Neither are reported to be the best, but chasing that dream would be a frustrating, time consuming, and quite expensive way to chase your tail, IME.
Title: Re: Benchmark DAC3 series thread. Official? .... Nah, but goooood!for
Post by: Freo-1 on 24 Nov 2017, 03:08 pm
Had A Benchmark DAC2-DX, and really like how it sounded.  I wound up replacing it with a McIntosh D-150 for two major reasons:


1) The D-150 has both fixed and variable XLR outputs, which I need for driving both the power amp and the headphone amp (KGSS-HV).  The Benchmark was not quite as flexible in that regard.


2) The D-150 turned out to be a better match for use with KGSS-HV.  For whatever reason, the headphone setup sounded more neutral with the D-150, with better low level detail. 


Still, my time with the Benchmark was most enjoyable, and I would be keen to audition a DAC-3 with my system.  I'm sure it would be an excellent performer. 
Title: Re: Benchmark DAC3 series thread. Official? .... Nah, but goooood!
Post by: pstrisik on 24 Nov 2017, 04:48 pm
I brought up the (original) Brooklyn, not to burst a bubble, but to offer an alternative that AudioStream.com ranks 'Class A' versus Benchmark DAC2 HGC that they rank 'Class B'.  Note that Michael Lavorgna, main reviewer for AudioStream.com, owns the Brooklyn and uses it for his reviews, but the Benchmark was reviewed earlier by Steven Palskin (and as they say, especially in the DAC world, 'the first lair never stands a chance').

Mytek DAC's reportedly have a house sound, while Benchmark DAC's are simply honest and devoid of noise.  OTOH Brooklyn offers phono preamp and MQA features while as you mentioned Benchmark has a HT bypass.

Neither are reported to be the best, but chasing that dream would be a frustrating, time consuming, and quite expensive way to chase your tail, IME.

After getting caught up in vintage tube rolling, trying a few DACs would be nothing!  And selling off all those tubes is now doing the funding!   :icon_twisted:

My reading on the Mytek is that it follows a similar approach as the Benchmark with both having roots in the pro world.  I am very happy with the sound of the Benchmark.  I am mostly interested in trying the Mytek given its added flexibility and much better display and settings ergonomics.  I am basically flying blind with the volume control on the Benchmark now.  You can see where I added some white electrical tape to the volume knob to try to see it better, but still doesn't work well in a very dim room.  I might have to get a relatively dim LED to illuminate the knob!

The Mytek would be with a trial period, so risk is the shipping cost.  I still have some concern however.  Anyone that has had the Mytek Brooklyn DAC or DAC+ have experience with the visibility of the volume setting at 9-10 feet?  I assume I would use the simpler display layout as the volume setting seems a bit larger in that format.


Had A Benchmark DAC2-DX, and really like how it sounded.  I wound up replacing it with a McIntosh D-150 for two major reasons:

1) The D-150 has both fixed and variable XLR outputs, which I need for driving both the power amp and the headphone amp (KGSS-HV).  The Benchmark was not quite as flexible in that regard.

2) The D-150 turned out to be a better match for use with KGSS-HV.  For whatever reason, the headphone setup sounded more neutral with the D-150, with better low level detail. 

Still, my time with the Benchmark was most enjoyable, and I would be keen to audition a DAC-3 with my system.  I'm sure it would be an excellent performer.

I'm not a headphone user, so less concern for me.  Still, I'd love to hear a McIntosh DAC because.... well, just because!   :)

                     .......Peter
Title: Mytek Brooklyn DAC
Post by: maty on 25 Nov 2017, 10:43 pm
Review and Measurements of Mytek Brooklyn DAC  :?

https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/review-and-measurements-of-mytek-brooklyn-dac.1828/

Again, your Benchmark DAC3 is an excellent purchase.


and very very very interesting index:

**** Master Index for Audio Hardware Reviews ****

https://audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/master-index-for-audio-hardware-reviews.2079/

-> Computer Activity Can Impact DAC Performance (Schiit BiFrost DAC)  :nono:  :nono:  :nono:

https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/computer-activity-can-impact-dac-performance.22/
Title: Re: Mytek Brooklyn DAC
Post by: pstrisik on 25 Nov 2017, 11:10 pm
Review and Measurements of Mytek Brooklyn DAC  :?

https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/review-and-measurements-of-mytek-brooklyn-dac.1828/

Again, your Benchmark DAC3 is an excellent purchase.

Thanks for this link!  Did you follow it to where he posted comments by Michal Jurewicz, the Brooklyn designer?  Evidently the MQA decoding is creating some of the negatives and can be turned off.  The higher 2nd order harmonic (Randy, this may be where the house sound impression comes from) may or may not be a negative.  Would make things a bit warmer.  And, Jurewicz says it is the volume control that adds it.  He doesn't say if the volume control is analog or digital, but the DAC+ has both and you can select.  I don't know if the DAC that was tested has the dual mode volume control.  It's possible that it didn't and Jurewicz added the second volume control mode to give a choice about eliminating this distortion.  And, he mentions the high output that is characteristic of pro gear.  The Benchmark has jumpers to attenuate this output when using XLR analog outs.  Evidently the Brooklyn does too and would benefit from a lower setting in the home environment.  That tester did not want to open the unit to test this.

I don't think there is enough in the article to discourage me from trying it, particularly since it is now a model later than the one tested and uses the next iteration of the Sabre chip.  Mytek lists the following as improvements since the model that was tested in that link:

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Brooklyn DAC+ features the following improvements as compared to Brooklyn DAC:

- Sabre 9028 Pro chipset ( 9018 in older model)
- Higher grade, more transparent and less noisy analog attenuator circuit.
- Improved analog input performance
- Improved Phono Stage transparency
- Improved Headphone Amp sound (more detail, more definition)
- Dual mono analog path

             .......Peter

Title: Re: Benchmark DAC3 series thread. Official? .... Nah, but goooood!
Post by: maty on 26 Nov 2017, 10:17 am
MQA

For months I have been reading Archimago's articles about it.

My conclusion, as with the DSD, is that I do not need it, that is, I am not willing to pay a plus for it.

https://archimago.blogspot.com.es/search?q=mqa


Higher 2nd order harmonic

In Diyaudio forums xrk971 user has some very interesting threads about it, with new preamp and headphones designs. And power amp too.

http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/solid-state/314563-aksas-lender-preamp-40vpp-output.html

http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/group-buys/302859-xrk971-pocket-class-headamp-gb.html

http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/solid-state/295286-virtual-audition-simple-quasi-mosfet-amp.html

Ranchu:

http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/solid-state/255427-simple-quasi-complimentary-mosfet-amplifier.html

Yesterday I decided that I would not change my amplifier after getting an incredible sound. If I had done it, the idea was to build a preamp with that preeminence in the second harmonic and a new DAC (probably the RME).

http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=153802.msg1646510#msg1646510


My opinion: your DAC 3 is not the bottleneck of your system. I think it would be better to identify the bottlenecks you have in your system and try to solve them before changing the DAC. Like me with my VERY BIG problems with noise, RF/EMI interferences, DC at mains and high voltage (almost 240 volts while in the EU is 230 volts).
Title: Re: Benchmark DAC3 series thread. Official? .... Nah, but goooood!
Post by: maty on 26 Nov 2017, 10:29 am
By the way, my opinion after listening to the 14 amplifiers that xrk971 built:

http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/solid-state/295286-virtual-audition-simple-quasi-mosfet-amp-post5243041.html

then I still had not achieved maximum noise attenuation in my system!
Title: Re: Benchmark DAC3 series thread. Official? .... Nah, but goooood!
Post by: pstrisik on 26 Nov 2017, 05:33 pm
My opinion: your DAC 3 is not the bottleneck of your system. I think it would be better to identify the bottlenecks you have in your system and try to solve them before changing the DAC. Like me with my VERY BIG problems with noise, RF/EMI interferences, DC at mains and high voltage (almost 240 volts while in the EU is 230 volts).

Ditto on MQA/DSD.  Not much interested.

You misunderstand me though.  I am not searching to solve a bottleneck.  I am mostly interested in the Mytek as potentially as good (to my ears) as the Benchmark but with better visibility and ergonomics.  I've said it a number of times here, the DAC3 has excellent sound.

Title: Re: Benchmark DAC3 series thread. Official? .... Nah, but goooood!
Post by: maty on 26 Nov 2017, 05:51 pm
It is very difficult to overcome the DAC3 now. Maybe the RME. I really LOVE RME Fireface series when they are used like AD to make vinyl rips. They are ugly (Pro world) but... are the best. Or the cheaper PCI board RME HDSP 9632. Well, Lavry AD11 too.

https://www.thomann.de/gb/rme_usb_audio_interfaces.html?oa=rat

Our philosophies are different. I look for music that excites me without caring too much the hardware. The sound quality is the more important to me.

This week, after the great improvement, I could not sit down many times, I had to get up, emulating directing the orchestra or playing the piano. Emotion is everything.
Title: Re: Benchmark DAC3 series thread. Official? .... Nah, but goooood!
Post by: Blu99Zoomer on 26 Nov 2017, 08:19 pm
Hi All,

I have had a DAC 3 HGC for several months now.  I upgraded from a DAC 2 HGC which I had owned for a couple of years.  The DAC 3 is definitely my preferred of the two in this system though the DAC 2 is a very nice unit.  I have a Vinnie Rossi Signature 15 amp following and feeding Tekton Design Enzo speakers.  I am using the Benchmark as my pre and dac both now after comparing the sound with that out of my Primaluna Prologue Premium preamp with the Benchmark used just as a dac feeding the Primaluna.  I find the music out of the DAC 3 a little clearer/cleaner and feel I get more music out of whatever source I am using.  I guess that's all the trite things I have to say about that...I am definitely encouraged to try Benchmark's amp next to see how it compares.  I know it has a lot more power.  I want to see if more "veils" can be "lifted" I guess.  I would like to continue using the Primaluna pre for a while more as I do like the music it plays and winter is coming.  So I can warm my hands...

Thanks for starting the thread and comments that have been shared.

Best Regards,

Blu99Zoomer
Title: Re: Benchmark DAC3 series thread. Official? .... Nah, but goooood!
Post by: maty on 26 Nov 2017, 08:44 pm
..I find the music out of the DAC 3 a little clearer/cleaner and feel I get more music out of whatever source I am using.  I guess that's all the trite things I have to say about that...I am definitely encouraged to try Benchmark's amp next to see how it compares.  I know it has a lot more power.  I want to see if more "veils" can be "lifted" I guess.

With less noise details and spatiality increases, the music fills the room (at least that is what happens in my two systems, with japanese class AB amps) If in addition we only have second harmonic because the third one is very low the sound is more credible, natural, pleasant...

My advice:

I would not buy the expensive Benchmark power amplifier now. Wait a few months until it is confirmed that the Icepower 1200AS module sounds as amazing as bavmike -an extreme perfectionist- and other says. Meanwhile enjoy the music you like.

Icepower 1200AS amp. Class D like you've never heard before

http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=153645.0
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Post by: maty on 26 Nov 2017, 08:51 pm
Why not?

Benchmark AHB2 Impressions (vs. Vidar)

http://www.superbestaudiofriends.org/index.php?threads/benchmark-ahb2-impressions-vs-vidar.5131/

and Schiit Vidar neither until it is verified that they have solved the problems with some speaker cables.
Title: Re: Benchmark DAC3 series thread. Official? .... Nah, but goooood!
Post by: JLM on 27 Nov 2017, 12:11 pm
Hope it's OK to digress/expand the conversation a bit ...

Had a chance to briefly hear an Oppo Sonica (DAC/preamp) yesterday, very nice for $799.  For some reason Oppo choose to not provide headphone or remote control capabilities.  The owner was very disappointed that it does not have a remote, it does offer apps for smartphone/tablet use but those are slow/clumsy in comparison.  And odd that it lacks headphone capability seeing how it lacks a remote control, Oppo sells headphones, and the company has 'mysteriously' discontinued the HA-1 (DAC/preamp/headphone amp).

We also listened to an $800 BlueSound PowerNode 2 (DAC/60 wpc integrated) that processes MQA and has an optical input for use say with a TV.  The owner uses it that way with Tidal HiFi (doesn't own a CD) via smartphone and also controls from a remote which the PowerNode 2 can learn.  The Sonica/Class D combo out performed the PowerNode at nearly twice the price with much greater flexibility, but wasn't as space/equipment/user interface friendly.
Title: Re: Benchmark DAC3 series thread. Official? .... Nah, but goooood!
Post by: JDoyle on 29 Nov 2017, 04:40 am
Question; does the Benchmark allow output signal routing to both RCA and XLR as the Brooklyn does? I'd like to feed my AVR as well when I want to feed other zones throughout the house. I was trying to find this in the manual (I do agree, it's a bit complicated).

Thx!

JD
Title: Re: Benchmark DAC3 series thread. Official? .... Nah, but goooood!
Post by: JLM on 29 Nov 2017, 10:54 am
Question; does the Benchmark allow output signal routing to both RCA and XLR as the Brooklyn does? I'd like to feed my AVR as well when I want to feed other zones throughout the house. I was trying to find this in the manual (I do agree, it's a bit complicated).

Thx!

JD

I'd hope so.  My $900 (street) DSPeaker Anti-Mode 2.0 Dual Core both did/do (I'm running a sub off the RCA outputs and the mains off the XLR).
Title: Re: Benchmark DAC3 series thread. Official? .... Nah, but goooood!
Post by: David C on 29 Nov 2017, 05:07 pm
Peter, thanks for starting this thread. My latest update....... After enjoying the DAC3 L for several weeks as a DAC only I finally began using it as a DAC/Pre a couple of days ago. I pulled my preamp (Nuforce P9) out of the loop, BTW I have really been pleased with the P 9 over the last 10 yrs and it was still sounding great. But WOW eliminating the preamp and 2 sets of interconnects lifted yet another veil , bringing out even more clarity and layers to the music. The DAC 3 L as a DAC took my system up to an entire new level and using it as a pre/DAC was another significant step up

SB Touch (Bolder digital mods, Bybee power rails) > Benchmark DAC 3L > itube2 > Bryston 14B sst2 > PMC PB1i speakers

BTW I use RCA connections out of the DAC
Title: Re: Benchmark DAC3 series thread. Official? .... Nah, but goooood!
Post by: srb on 29 Nov 2017, 05:21 pm
But WOW eliminating the preamp and 2 sets of interconnects lifted yet another veil , bringing out even more clarity and layers to the music.

It wouldn't surprise me if eliminating the tube buffer and 2 sets of interconnects lifted yet another veil, bringing out even more clarity and layers to the music - unless you have a bad impedance mismatch without it.
Title: Re: Benchmark DAC3 series thread. Official? .... Nah, but goooood!
Post by: pstrisik on 29 Nov 2017, 05:28 pm
Question; does the Benchmark allow output signal routing to both RCA and XLR as the Brooklyn does? I'd like to feed my AVR as well when I want to feed other zones throughout the house. I was trying to find this in the manual (I do agree, it's a bit complicated).

Thx!

JD

I'm almost positive it does.  I have both unbalanced outputs running simultaneously (one pair to an active xover and one pair to stereo subs).  I haven't tried RCA and XLR simultaneously, but would be very surprised if they weren't all active.

Peter, thanks for starting this thread. My latest update....... After enjoying the DAC3 L for several weeks as a DAC only I finally began using it as a DAC/Pre a couple of days ago. I pulled my preamp (Nuforce P9) out of the loop, BTW I have really been pleased with the P 9 over the last 10 yrs and it was still sounding great. But WOW eliminating the preamp and 2 sets of interconnects lifted yet another veil , bringing out even more clarity and layers to the music. The DAC 3 L as a DAC took my system up to an entire new level and using it as a pre/DAC was another significant step up

SB Touch (Bolder digital mods, Bybee power rails) > Benchmark DAC 3L > itube2 > Bryston 14B sst2 > PMC PB1i speakers

BTW I use RCA connections out of the DAC

Yes, amazing isn't it?  All these years with major expense on preamps.  Now in the past!  Less and less does it seem we need big, heavy, hot, iron!

       ......Peter

Title: Re: Benchmark DAC3 series thread. Official? .... Nah, but goooood!
Post by: David C on 29 Nov 2017, 09:32 pm
SRB, I had the same thought. I don't think I have a mismatch on impedance (I'll check the numbers and if I recall one  wants the receiving gear and the sending gear to have a 10 times difference) , but I like the +6db 60Hz and below bass boost which is an option on the itube2. I'll try your suggestion next week and report back
Title: Re: Benchmark DAC3 series thread. Official? .... Nah, but goooood!
Post by: maty on 29 Nov 2017, 10:39 pm
...but I like the +6db 60Hz and below bass boost which is an option on the itube2. I'll try your suggestion next week and report back

With a good equalizer. Equalization affects the phase but the ear only distinguishes the phase variation from 180 - 200 Hz.

Better with good software that minimizes the phase variation if higher frequencies > 200 Hz are equalized.
Title: Re: Benchmark DAC3 series thread. Official? .... Nah, but goooood!
Post by: occamsrazor on 2 Dec 2017, 06:20 am
pstrisik

I think you made an excellent purchase with the DAC 3. In Europe it is more complicated to buy Benchmark hard.

In EU, a great option, from world pro: RME ADI-2 Pro. But it is not a preamp.

https://www.rme-audio.de/en/products/adi_2-pro.php

Indeed, the price differential between North American products such as Benchmark/Mytek for US and EU buyers can be quite significant. I'm currently torn between buying the Mytek and ADI-2. The feature set is a little but different but offer a whole lot of functionality. Have you heard the ADI-2 and/or been able to compare it to anything else? Thanks...
Title: Re: Benchmark DAC3 series thread. Official? .... Nah, but goooood!
Post by: maty on 2 Dec 2017, 08:52 am
No I do not heard the RME ADI-2 Pro, only RME hard when work like AD to make very great vinyl rips.

RME has a GREAT reputation earned over the years in professional recording studios.

I have not found measurements or graphics yet to be able to compare with the DAC3.

In Europe, it is very recent: Benchmark Product Overview

https://www.thomann.de/gb/cat_BF_benchmark.html?oa=rat

The problem, to me, if ALL the chain is very clean. The sound can be great(spectacular (OK with orchestral) but cold, without emotion. That is why I am/was interested in very clean solid state preamp but with the second harmonic preminence and thus be able to get excited with the good recordings / interpretations.
Title: Re: Benchmark DAC3 series thread. Official? .... Nah, but goooood!
Post by: maty on 2 Dec 2017, 09:02 am
OFF TOPIC

http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/solid-state/295286-virtual-audition-simple-quasi-mosfet-amp-post5243041.html

Quote
I heard ALL 14 amps.

F5 Juma. I love the sound.

VHex+ . It seems doped. Much bass, some anecoic sound. Maybe is the ideal with orchestral music.

Quasi. Sweet, warm. It needs more energy and highs. To listen vocal music.

I think that F5 Juma has the best of VHex+ and Quasi. Problem, to me, it has very little power to move my KEF Q100 speakers (86dB and 4.7 Ohms minimum). Am I wrong?

And yes, your speakers sound very bad with orchestral music.

VHex+ is a very clean power, maybe too much -> anecoic sound. Maybe with a preamp with second harmonic preminence...

F5 Juma (or USSA-5) has this second harmonic preminence like the power amps from Nelson Pass but with better transistors. But only 25 watts.

http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/pass-labs/168040-f5-2sk2013-2sj313.html

[French] http://www.quebecdiy.net/t815-amplificateur-ussa-5-evolution-de-la-conception-de-la-version-4

better transisitors and......... capacitance multipler too!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitance_multiplier

Quote
Capacitor multipliers make low-frequency filter and long-duration timing circuits possible that would be impractical with actual capacitors. Another application is in DC power supplies where very low ripple voltage (under load) is of paramount importance, such as in class-A amplifiers.

http://www.startfetch.com/keantoken/content/Kmultiplier.php
Title: Re: Benchmark DAC3 series thread. Official? .... Nah, but goooood!
Post by: Johnny2Bad on 2 Dec 2017, 12:13 pm
My old desktop had an RME digi96/8 sound card (bought in 2004) and it was an outstanding ADC/DAC, either way. It took until the last couple of years before I owned anything that could compare, sonically, for playback (audio-gd, and also TEAC UDH-01). Paid $800 for it, and worth every penny. Also because it was installed in an old IBM PowerPC Mac, could easily do 24/96 live simultaneous (encoding 8 and decoding all 8 channels in real time), never had a single dropout (that's with older ATA drives as well) and I used to continue using the machine while recording (doing spreadsheets, track lists, surfing the web, eMail, writing texts, half a dozen apps open aside from the DAW).

The one thing that shocked me when I bought my first Intel Core Duo Mac 2.0 GHz was the problems Intel chips had keeping up; I had to move away from the machine and not do anything on it while recording, or dropouts ensued (I had always assumed it was Windows that was the problem. Maybe it was, but the Intel CISC instruction set definitely didn't perform like an RISC machine on real-time continuous intensive tasks).

My newer MacBook Pro i7 Quad Core can keep up but there was about ten years there where I had to keep my old 867 G4 PowerPC machine around for recording. I only retired it four years ago, when for the first time I had an Intel architecture box that could do the job ( a circa 2012 MacBook Pro).

It's a shame Motorola killed themselves and IBM's roadmap had no room for low-power chip development (Apple moved to Intel due to the laptop power issue on RISC; the desktops were fine, the latest incarnation (Power5+ scaling to 5 GHz around 2007. Then IBM abandoned the Power Architecture, going CISC like Intel and AMD).

And as an FYI, I'm not anti-Intel or anti-Windows. Every tool for the job. I've been paid to write Linux documentation, way back 15 years ago and since, for the distro, not some end using corporation or public agency, and trust me, getting money from a Linux distro isn't easy. I currently have seven OS's on my laptop (WinXPsp3, 7, 8, Win10, Linux, BSD UNIX, plus I use the underlying BSD UNIX on the MacOS).
Title: Re: Benchmark DAC3 series thread. Official? .... Nah, but goooood!
Post by: maty on 2 Dec 2017, 12:36 pm
Talking about S.O.

Yesterday I have updated my W10 Pro 1511 to 1607 compilation, the last of 10th Anniversay. This morning I have optimized/secureted/... to multimedia and the sound is so good than the old 1511.

Weeks ago I updated to 1709 compilation, the last of Creators. The sound was much worse! After many hours and tests I could not do anything to improve it so I reinstalled the previous image copy of the 1511.

I have read in several places something similar. The problem is with USB 2 and 3.

With Linux Mint 18.2, the new 18.3 and last Lubuntu too the sound is not as good but it is much better than W10 1709! But not as good than my tweaked 1511/1607.

For years it has not made much sense to buy an Apple computer. It is better to make a silent PC with a Gigabyte motherboard (like mine) and install a Hackintosh. Or much better, dual(multi) boot with some Linux.

Title: Re: Benchmark DAC3 series thread. Official? .... Nah, but goooood!
Post by: Johnny2Bad on 2 Dec 2017, 12:44 pm
The Mac Mini is an excellent audio device, not expensive, never had or needed a fan. But whatever works for you; I'm not one to push my choices on others.

But it must be said since I bought my first desktop in 1990, I've never regretted using MacOS, and the machines have always lasted a long time for me (6 years typical, the 867 ran for 9). Every one was still working when I sold them, and amortized over the hours I put on them (my first PowerPC machine ran continuously save for OS updates for seven years 24/7, and did things I can't do today with modern hardware ... it was my telephone management unit, answering machine, logging and recording calls, for example, with SW and hardware that came in the box, bought in 1995. It also had a TV tuner and video in/out. I could loop 9 640x480 videos and play them simultaneously, 24/7 if I wanted (at 10, it would start to drop frames, but would still play 24/7). Those are the kinds of things the Intel boxes couldn't do due to CISC until recently).
Title: Re: Benchmark DAC3 series thread. Official? .... Nah, but goooood!
Post by: maty on 2 Dec 2017, 12:51 pm
The Mac Mini is an excellent audio device, not expensive, never had or needed a fan. But whatever works for you; I'm not one to push my choices on others....

I do not agree: it has a very dirty SMPS!

Those old days of the first Mac, MS-DOS, Windows 3.11 and UNIX...

************ *********** ************

OFF TOPIC again

AKSA's Lender Preamp with 40Vpp Ouput GB

http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/group-buys/315521-aksas-lender-preamp-40vpp-ouput-gb.html

[IMG] http://maty.galeon.com/WP-imagenes/hum/AKSA-Lender-Preamp-SMT-Preamp-20vpp-7kohm-47R-degen-yes-matched-6k8carbon-FB.png
Title: Re: Benchmark DAC3 series thread. Official? .... Nah, but goooood!
Post by: Johnny2Bad on 2 Dec 2017, 12:52 pm
I do not agree: it has a very dirty SMPS!

Those old days of the first Mac, MS-DOS, Windows 3.11 and UNIX...

************ *********** ************

OFF TOPIC again

AKSA's Lender Preamp with 40Vpp Ouput GB

http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/group-buys/315521-aksas-lender-preamp-40vpp-ouput-gb.html

I haven't updated my Insider Preview version to the latest yet, too busy. Who knew retirement would be so much work?

It's not married to the OEM SMPS, which just plugs in after all.

My Lender boards were shipped out probably yesterday, although I've got four projects ahead of that one, so it will be a while yet for me. That's OK though, I learn something every day, that's bound to help when the time comes ;-)

Best part about the DAC-3 (aside from it becoming available) is DAC1s are selling for "start the car, start the car" prices. I'm seeing $C 750 here in classifieds ($US 585) asking.
Title: Re: Benchmark DAC3 series thread. Official? .... Nah, but goooood!
Post by: Johnny2Bad on 2 Dec 2017, 01:17 pm
{snip}
I am basically flying blind with the volume control on the Benchmark now.  You can see where I added some white electrical tape to the volume knob to try to see it better, but still doesn't work well in a very dim room.  I might have to get a relatively dim LED to illuminate the knob!
{snip}
.......Peter

Use a battery powered standalone LED lamp, or good old incandescent small wattage / size unit if AC powered. An AC powered standalone LED lamp introduces noise.
Title: Re: Benchmark DAC3 series thread. Official? .... Nah, but goooood!
Post by: Johnny2Bad on 2 Dec 2017, 01:35 pm
SRB, I had the same thought. I don't think I have a mismatch on impedance (I'll check the numbers and if I recall one  wants the receiving gear and the sending gear to have a 10 times difference) , but I like the +6db 60Hz and below bass boost which is an option on the itube2. I'll try your suggestion next week and report back

I would expect an impedance mismatch is unlikely (it's exactly what a buffer is supposed to eliminate). But the rest of your system is to my mind clearly above the buffer's pay grade.

Okay, I'll shut up now ;-)
Title: Re: Benchmark DAC3 series thread. Official? .... Nah, but goooood!
Post by: maty on 4 Dec 2017, 08:13 pm
Days ago I commented on him, hence a new link:

[Review] RME ADI-2 Pro Has Arrived  December 2 2017

https://audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/rme-adi-2-pro-has-arrived.2107/page-2#post-57048

Review & Measurements

-> http://www.audioxpress.com/files/attachment/2631
Title: Re: Benchmark DAC3 series thread. Official? .... Nah, but goooood!
Post by: maty on 14 Dec 2017, 12:20 pm
New RME ADI-2 DAC

http://www.rme-audio.de/en/products/adi_2-dac.php

[IMG] http://www.rme-audio.de/images/products/products_adi-2_dac_1b.jpg
Title: Re: Benchmark DAC3 series thread. Official? .... Nah, but goooood!
Post by: JLM on 14 Dec 2017, 12:52 pm
Too bad that threads can get so far off topic. 

Why can't folks just start a new thread?
Title: Re: Benchmark DAC3 series thread. Official? .... Nah, but goooood!
Post by: JDoyle on 5 Jan 2018, 02:42 am
 :) any other opinions or observations on the DAC3?

-jd
Title: Re: Benchmark DAC3 series thread. Official? .... Nah, but goooood!
Post by: pstrisik on 5 Jan 2018, 03:22 am
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=173845)


I have nothing but praise for the sound quality from this DAC.  It's one of those components that feels like it's not there, just letting the music through.  Very quiet background. 

I'm not crazy about the ergonomics/visibility, but you can see I've implemented a work around, at least for the volume control which I couldn't see in a darkened room at all.  It's a $10 USB LED with a gooseneck stem (https://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8&Go.x=14&Go.y=10&index=books&keywords=B00R8H6VTM&link_code=qs&tag=strisikcom-20) (that's clickable if you want to see it on Amazon).  I run it to a switched outlet in the power conditioner so it comes on only when the system is on.  I have some tinted film dots and squares that I use on bright LEDs on the front of equipment.  I used one of those to tone down the light so it is just enough. You can hardly see it in the photo.  It comes up from behind and shines down from the top.  I also have white electrical tape in that arrow shape for visibility.  Just like to see where the level is set for my own orientation. 

However, it looks like I may be swapping the DAC3 out after all this.  I added an AURALiC ARIES streamer/bridge/transport that I picked up used and was blown away with the improvement over my Cambridge Audio Azur 851N (now sold).  I had no idea that the streamer would have such an influence.  I was so impressed with Wang Xuanqian's work that I took AURALiC up on their tradeup offer for the ARIES G2.  Another noticible step up over the previous generation ARIES.  So impressed that I am now working on arranging a demo of the VEGA G2 (streamer/DAC combo).  Crazy expensive, but it has been incremental moving up.  I would take the place of the ARIES and DAC3 both.  That will fund most of it.  That is, if I like it enough to keep.  I expect that I will!

..........Peter
Title: Re: Benchmark DAC3 series thread. Official? .... Nah, but goooood!
Post by: maty on 23 Jan 2018, 07:08 pm
Digital Converter Review! Benchmark DAC3-DX Dual-Buss Output DAC: More Output Options, Incredible S/N Performance!

http://everythingaudionetwork.blogspot.com/2018/01/digital-converter-review-benchmark-dac3.html

Inside:

[IMG] https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Qk6AkOJhyZI/WmZYzqucufI/AAAAAAAAFYc/ZDXff9-0pNs1FmMT_gdMyhd9fGmd72ioQCLcBGAs/s1600/DAC3DX%2Binside%2B.jpg
Title: Re: Benchmark DAC3 series thread. Official? .... Nah, but goooood!
Post by: Blu99Zoomer on 23 Jan 2018, 10:19 pm
One thing that I like a lot with the DAC 3 HGC is I don't have to run a preamp with it with all the input options it allows.  I can run my analog line in from the turntable, digital from a NAS/computer/server, digital or analog from a cd player output, an analog input from a HD Radio tuner, and still have a couple more inputs left to add some other stuff.   I got options!  All inputs get the same clean signal treatment.  I might think about adding a streamer option at some point.  But I don't see that versatility with another product in or near its price point that gets out of the way of the sound like this product does.  If I want to add some tube sound, I can do that with an amplifier.  Options.

Best Regards,

Blu99Zoomer
Title: Re: Benchmark DAC3 series thread. Official? .... Nah, but goooood!
Post by: pstrisik on 23 Jan 2018, 11:00 pm
AURALiC ARIES G2 gets way out of the way, but a bit more money.  Pick up the original ARIES with femto clocks, if you find one, for that price range or less used now that G2 is filling the pipeline.  I had no idea how much difference in sound a streamer could make until I got one of the originals and have since traded up to the G2. 

     .....Peter
Title: Re: Benchmark DAC3 series thread. Official? .... Nah, but goooood!
Post by: JLM on 24 Jan 2018, 10:48 am
Thanks for the link Maty.  Didn't realize the AES/EBU input version allowed for separate volume control of RCA/XLR output from headphone outputs.
Title: Re: Benchmark DAC3 series thread. Official? .... Nah, but goooood!
Post by: maty on 1 Feb 2018, 09:42 am
You are welcome.

EAN Bench Test! Doing The Numbers On The Benchmark DAC3-DX DAC

https://everythingaudionetwork.blogspot.com/2018/01/ean-bench-test-doing-numbers-on.html

(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-hniM3CTDmf0/WnJa_W9L5BI/AAAAAAAAFaE/jGyCcVnBXRElJTkIfUKWedBOBUeiXL_RgCLcBGAs/s320/FIG_3-4.jpg)

(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-G7JQkTOTqic/WnJb5LkFmxI/AAAAAAAAFaM/FuRCBIAHIu4Dr7KBGQUlb5xdioMuNBnNgCLcBGAs/s320/FIG._5-4.jpg)
Title: Re: Benchmark DAC3 series thread. Official? .... Nah, but goooood!
Post by: JLM on 1 Feb 2018, 12:36 pm
Slightly off topic, but as per the latest Benchmark newsletter SEAS is now using the AHB2 amp for testing their drivers.
Title: Re: Benchmark DAC3 series thread. Official? .... Nah, but goooood!
Post by: pstrisik on 3 Feb 2018, 05:15 pm
For anyone interested in the Brooklyn DAC+, they just implemented theater bypass mode in v1.11 firmware at my urging. 

(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=175592)


On another note, a demo AURALiC VEGA G2 should be here Monday!

        .........Peter
Title: Re: Benchmark DAC3 series thread. Official? .... Nah, but goooood!
Post by: pstrisik on 14 Feb 2018, 05:14 pm
In the "sometimes you get what you pay for" department, the AURALiC VEGA G2 outshines the Benchmark DAC3 in a not so subtle way.  I don't think this reflects badly on the DAC3.  I've not heard about a DAC under $2000 that can beat it.  The VEGA G2 is almost three times the price.  Nice that it accommodates my streaming needs, has Theater Bypass option for the analog inputs, and has the inputs I need.  So the price blow is softened by no longer needing the ARIES G2, a separate streaming bridge.

I'll be listing the three month old DAC3-L for sale on the Circle and Audiogon this weekend.  PM me if anyone wants a jump on that.

........Peter
Title: Re: Benchmark DAC3 series thread. Official? .... Nah, but goooood!
Post by: JDoyle on 15 Feb 2018, 05:20 pm
In the "sometimes you get what you pay for" department, the AURALiC VEGA G2 outshines the Benchmark DAC3 in a not so subtle way.  I don't think this reflects badly on the DAC3.  I've not heard about a DAC under $2000 that can beat it.  The VEGA G2 is almost three times the price.  Nice that it accommodates my streaming needs, has Theater Bypass option for the analog inputs, and has the inputs I need.  So the price blow is softened by no longer needing the ARIES G2, a separate streaming bridge.

I'll be listing the three month old DAC3-L for sale on the Circle and Audiogon this weekend.  PM me if anyone wants a jump on that.

........Peter

I actually just purchased the DAC3 along with the AHB2 amp and I'm absolutely thrilled with them (I probably wouldn't have purchased yours, but I would have been tempted!   :green: ).

I want to thank you Peter for starting this thread   :thumb: as I probably would have gone with the Brooklyn had you not started it.  I will post my review of it here soon (I need a little more time, since it's not been running long).

I'd also enjoy reading more about your G2 (but please start a NEW thread).

Thanks again!

~jd
Title: Re: Benchmark DAC3 series thread. Official? .... Nah, but goooood!
Post by: pstrisik on 15 Feb 2018, 05:34 pm
Their amps are tempting as well.  I'm sure that combo is impressive.  It does seem that the DAC3 is considered a bit above the Brooklyn, though I bet the latter is no slouch.  I'm so impressed with AURALiC's products, that I could be tempted if he updates his Merak monoblocs.  Very happy with my First Watt J2 though.

I may start an AURALiC thread after a bit.  A lot of dust settling around here!


.......Peter
Title: Re: Benchmark DAC3 series thread. Official? .... Nah, but goooood!
Post by: maty on 15 Feb 2018, 06:27 pm
Talking about Berkeley, yesterday:

Measurement and Review of Berkeley Alpha DAC  ten years DAC, without USB

https://audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/measurement-and-review-of-berkeley-alpha-dac.2355/
Title: Re: Benchmark DAC3 series thread. Official? .... Nah, but goooood!
Post by: JDoyle on 10 Mar 2018, 02:47 am
So here is my promised review of the DAC 3 HGC and the accompanying THX patented AHB2...  :thumb:

I was going to “attempt” to write a review that eloquently explained how nice this set up is, but google it, it’s been done a plenty by many a reviewer more prolific than me.

I’m going to get into the peripherals on why you should consider Benchmark

This was the thread that prompted me to look into this DAC... until I stumbled upon it, I was probably going to go with the mucho popular Brooklyn. I started to look into the Dac, The more I read about Benchmark, the more I was won over... why?

First;  this stuff is “Professional Grade”,  I feel it will outlive me.  Built like the proverbial Brick outhouse.

Second;  while it may not be Glitzy, it just works... actually fairly easy to set up (and I’m not a techie).

Third; when I did have a question, I emailed them to ask a question (more than once too), and was “hoping” they’d reply in a day or two, I saw an email in my box within 20 minutes!  Holy Cow, now that’s customer Service!

Lastly; they also offer cables that I could tell were quality, but not stupidly priced.

This is a company much like Salk, (Who built my speakers too), wonderful people who also make a quality product that shows pride of workmanship. 

I’m very pleased with my set up to say the least  :D

JD
Title: Re: Benchmark DAC3 series thread. Official? .... Nah, but goooood!
Post by: maty on 17 Mar 2018, 05:44 pm
[Review] Benchmark DAC3 HGC Hi-Res Audio DAC, Headphone Amp, And Preamplifier

http://www.enjoythemusic.com/magazine/equipment/0318/Benchmark_DAC3_HGC_Review.htm

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Fantastic

The Benchmark Media DAC3 HGC is a fantastic digital-to-analog converter that comes with a fantastic headphone amplifier with two outputs, and can also double as a fantastic preamplifier. Its asking price is more than reasonable for such a versatile component, with a sound quality that can be compared to units costing much more. Whether or not one likes the sound of the DAC3 depends on the audiophile who auditions it, since those who are hard of hearing might not like it.

Sure, you can find a better DAC if you want to spend much more money, you can find a better headphone amplifier if you want to spend much more money, and you can find a preamplifier with more features and better sound quality if you want to spend much more money. But here it is folks, a digital-to-analog converter, headphone amplifier, and preamplifier all-in-one unit that can be called a bargain, even at a cost of about $2200.