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« Reply #80 on: 24 Mar 2020, 08:40 pm »
Thanks for the link. It looks like a good site.
Science News is about as good as it gets for the layman. They've been around for decades and mostly summarize important peer reviewed papers that might be of interest or importance to a wide range of readers.  They do their best to interpret professional language into something a literate reader can follow.  I've been taking it since the early 1990's.

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« Reply #81 on: 24 Mar 2020, 09:04 pm »
Science News is about as good as it gets for the layman. They've been around for decades and mostly summarize important peer reviewed papers that might be of interest or importance to a wide range of readers.  They do their best to interpret professional language into something a literate reader can follow.  I've been taking it since the early 1990's.

I like the layout of their site, too. It's always comforting when a site purportedly dealing in rationality is itself rationally organised.

I see they'e been around in one form or another since 1921. That's decades, for sure.

orthobiz

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« Reply #82 on: 25 Mar 2020, 02:34 pm »
"What is different with what they are doing there?"

More testing and contact tracing. The numerator and denominator are important as I see you're dividing and calculating death rates. But unless we have numbers like S Korea it is hard to pinpoint actual numbers.

I'm told Grand Rapids yesterday (second biggest city in MI) had only 400 test kits and are having issues deciding who gets tested. Since asymptomatic people can harbor and transmit the virus the concept that only symptomatic patients need the test does not work well from a purely epidemiological standpoint. But it may be the best we can do right now

Paul

Larry, I know that.  However the overall death rate tells you a lot about a given area’s health service capability.

I do wonder about Germany’s unusually low rate of less then 0.4%.  What is different with what they are doing there?

Frank

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Re: Plaquenil
« Reply #83 on: 25 Mar 2020, 02:57 pm »
For those who understand the medical side more than me does articles like this help or hurt what’s going on?


https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0924857920300662

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« Reply #84 on: 25 Mar 2020, 03:55 pm »
For those who understand the medical side more than me does articles like this help or hurt what’s going on?


https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0924857920300662


   Not a Scientist but it made good sense to me. If the Scientists and Doctors research proves good a wonderful solution.


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Re: Plaquenil
« Reply #85 on: 25 Mar 2020, 04:09 pm »
The article doesn't hurt, it's a news blurb, not a study.
Hopefully no Pharma bro shows up to up the price 18000 percent!

Paul

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« Reply #86 on: 25 Mar 2020, 04:12 pm »
Nevada Governor just banned the use of these drugs for patients with Coronavirus.


https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/mar/24/steve-sisolak-nevada-governor-bans-malaria-drugs-c/

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« Reply #87 on: 25 Mar 2020, 06:02 pm »
Nevada Governor just banned the use of these drugs for patients with Coronavirus.


https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/mar/24/steve-sisolak-nevada-governor-bans-malaria-drugs-c/


That just seems like an overreaction and could be counterproductive.
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« Reply #88 on: 25 Mar 2020, 07:11 pm »
Foolish. I guess the Gov. is a Doctor now. Very misleading article BTW.


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« Reply #89 on: 25 Mar 2020, 07:26 pm »
If we poke our heads outside of the US and look around, other countries like Nigeria have the same problem with chloroquine including 400% price hikes hurting people who actually need it.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/23/africa/chloroquine-trump-nigeria-intl/index.html



"Trump's endorsement of the drug led to a surge of interest among Nigerians keen to stock up on the medication, which has led to inevitable price hikes in the megacity of around 20 million inhabitants.
One man told CNN that in a pharmacy near his home on the Lagos mainland, he witnessed the price rise by more than 400% in a matter of minutes."

"Kayode Fabunmi, a Lagos-based lawyer, said: "The pharmacist knew the market and was saying to every incoming customer, 'You know Donald Trump has said this thing cures coronavirus,' and the price kept changing."

"The original price was 200 naira (around 50 cents), then it became 500 naira ($1.38) then it became 1,000 naira ($2.77) while I was there," he said.
The Lagos State Health Ministry issued a brief statement saying there was no "hard evidence that chloroquine is effective in prevention or management of coronavirus infection."

"Chloroquine is used to treat malaria, lupus and rheumatoid arthritis."

This excellent public service video demonstrates that even Nigeria is taking the pandemic more seriously than the US. Simple, clear announcements like this should be on TV 24/7.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1240665097544105984




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« Reply #90 on: 25 Mar 2020, 07:27 pm »
Foolish. I guess the Gov. is a Doctor now. Very misleading article BTW.


charles

In fact, he is merely announcing new official policies from the Nevada Board of Medical Examiners and the Nevada Board of Pharmacy, echoing and echoed by many other states' medical agencies and boards today.

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« Reply #91 on: 25 Mar 2020, 08:09 pm »

This excellent public service video demonstrates that even Nigeria is taking the pandemic more seriously than the US. Simple, clear announcements like this should be on TV 24/7.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1240665097544105984




That's excellent!

orthobiz

Re: Plaquenil
« Reply #92 on: 26 Mar 2020, 01:33 pm »
Cut and pasted from one of the dozens of e-mails I get in my medical inbox.

Paul

Although President Trump previously touted hydroxychloroquine as a potential “game changer” in the fight against coronavirus, a new study casts doubt on the antimalarial’s effectiveness. According to a pilot study by researchers in China, patients with COVID-19 who were treated with conventional methods—including bed rest and antivirals—saw no further benefit upon the addition of hydroxychloroquine to their treatment regimen.

The study included 30 patients with COVID-19 who were randomized to two groups. Both groups were treated with 5 days of bed rest, oxygen inhalation, and antiviral drugs. But, one group was also given 400 mg of hydroxychloroquine.

After 7 days, there were no statistical differences between the two groups. Interestingly, patient recovery in the hydroxychloroquine group was marginally worse than those in the control group. Specifically, 14 patients in the non-hydroxychloroquine group tested negative for COVID-19 at the end of the experiment, compared with 13 patients in the hydroxychloroquine group.

Ultimately, the authors noted that more research is needed to determine whether hydroxychloroquine can be safely and effectively used to treat COVID-19.

orthobiz

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« Reply #93 on: 26 Mar 2020, 01:35 pm »
More:

Despite hydroxychloroquine’s disappointing results in the previously mentioned small-scale study, the WHO is pushing forward with a much larger, global trial that will examine the antimalarial, along with three other drugs, for the treatment of COVID-19. The trial, called SOLIDARITY, will focus on testing the efficacy of the four most promising therapies for the disease to date: antiviral remdesivir, antimalarials chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine, HIV combo drug lopinavir-ritonavir, and lopinavir-ritonavir plus interferon-beta.

Researchers are aiming to include thousands of patients across several countries. Enrolled participants will include patients with clinically confirmed COVID-19 randomized to one of the treatment options. Physicians will record the day the patient left the hospital or died, the duration of the hospital stay, and whether the patient required oxygen or ventilation. Seems simple enough, but there’s one caveat: The design is not double-blind, meaning that the placebo effect could come into play. The WHO has acknowledged that the speed of the trial will come at the cost of scientific rigor.

“It will be important to get answers quickly, to try to find out what works and what doesn’t work. We think that randomized evidence is the best way to do that,” said Ana Maria Henao Restrepo, MD, MSc, a medical officer in the WHO’s Department of Immunization, Vaccines and Biologicals.

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Re: Plaquenil
« Reply #94 on: 26 Mar 2020, 01:36 pm »
How about Vit C??

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A dose of sunshine for dark times
Although there isn’t any clinical trial evidence supporting the use of vitamin C for COVID-19, that hasn’t stopped doctors from using the antioxidant to treat their critically ill patients. In patients with severe disease, vitamin C levels are often significantly reduced when they suffer sepsis.

“It makes all the sense in the world to try and maintain this level of vitamin C,” Andrew Weber, MD, a New York-based pulmonologist and critical-care specialist, told the New York Post.

To that end, Dr. Weber has been administering 1,500 mg of vitamin C intravenously to ICU patients with COVID-19, with the same massive dose repeated 3-4 times each day. Each dose is over 16 times the daily recommended dietary allowance of vitamin C, which is 90 mg for adult men and 75 mg for adult women.

The treatment regimen is based on positive reports from China, where people in Shanghai received large doses of the vitamin. According to Dr. Weber, “The patients who received vitamin C did significantly better than those who did not get vitamin C.”

A randomized, triple-blind clinical trial on the effectiveness of intravenous vitamin C in patients with COVID-19 is currently underway, and is expected to be complete by September 30, 2020.

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« Reply #95 on: 26 Mar 2020, 02:29 pm »
This is a screen shot of a bit of news in a newsletter I received from ConsumerLab.com, a physician operated review site for nutritional supplements. It's another possible pharmacological tool doctors might use for some severely ill patients. Noting the last hypothetical concern one can't help but think of what that might mean for the many people are taking ACE inhibitors & ARBs.







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« Reply #96 on: 26 Mar 2020, 03:59 pm »
That is a very dangerous article for the public.  You should not take potassium supplements unless you have approval from a doctor who has checked your potassium level.  High potassium levels can and will cause life threatening irregular heart beats and cause sudden death.  It does not treat COVID, only a potential complication of it which is hypokalemia or low potassium.

So please, do not take potassium supplements,  it will not keep you from getting the virus and it will not treat it.

Photon46

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« Reply #97 on: 26 Mar 2020, 04:31 pm »
That is a very dangerous article for the public.  You should not take potassium supplements unless you have approval from a doctor who has checked your potassium level.  High potassium levels can and will cause life threatening irregular heart beats and cause sudden death.  It does not treat COVID, only a potential complication of it which is hypokalemia or low potassium.

So please, do not take potassium supplements,  it will not keep you from getting the virus and it will not treat it.

Hard to believe someone would read that and think it was an endorsement for taking potassium as preventative against Covid-19 but if reading comprehension is lacking, someone could jump to conclusions. The FDA certainly recognizes the potential for abuse because they limit potassium OTC supplements to 99mg. per pill.
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« Reply #98 on: 26 Mar 2020, 04:34 pm »
People’s rational brains have been hijacked by fear. Reading comprehension is absolutely compromised in these times above normal levels, and even in normal times people jump to conclusions quite easily. If lots of people would try taking fish cleaner, you better bet they’d try potassium supplements.

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Re: Plaquenil
« Reply #99 on: 26 Mar 2020, 04:55 pm »
  Stupid is as stupid does. Just listen to your Doctor, not the TV news, Papers, etc. Use good sense by staying home as directed.


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