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Audio/Video Gear and Systems => Owner's Circles => Digital Amplifier Company Owners => Topic started by: tcsubwoofer on 5 Jan 2011, 08:59 am
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Cherry amps are top of my demo list in the near future. But I gotta say the sluggish rate of reviews and feedback lately has me a bit concerned. Three whole posts for December? Some of the other amp circles seem to be alive and well.
Not trying to be a jerk, but just wondering why such a highly regarded line of amps has had so little audiophile chatter on this forum lately. Why is that? I'm pretty dang excited to demo and hopefully buy one of these puppies and could use some continued thoughts and opinions on these amps.
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This may help:
http://www.stereotimes.com/MW2010.shtml
You’ll be hard pressed to find better bass combined with the stellar clarity & liquidity this amp conveys. If you’re looking for an amp with a prodigious amount of authority, speed inner detail, massive amounts of micro and macro dynamics then look no further: the Cherry Plus is just about the finest Solid State amp I’ve ever had the pleasure to experience. In my opinion this amp could live in the finest consumer and pro audio setups. Just be forewarned that if you have any acoustical issues with bass boom in your room this amp puts out a lot of energy – it’s tight, controlled and plunges to the stygian depths with seemingly endless headroom. (See review here Alvester Garnett, Clement Perry)
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Happy new year all! Well, I've been just enjoying my system, fine tuning and experimenting with some non-invasive tweaks like EVS ground enhancers and an inner tube beneath the Cherry Plus. Both have made positive differences in the system, which I'm really enjoying now: increased liquidity, depth, 3D imaging, and lower apparent noise floor from the preamp.
I have some problems at my house, including a VERY close by light rail system that introduces moderately strong vibrations into everything, as well as ambient noise. So, all good from my end, and quiet cuz I'm grooving to the tunes! :thumb:
Wilson
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I've also tried the EVS Ground Enhancers on my Cherry Jr and posts on my speakers, and they have made a solid improvement. I am loving my Cherry Jr, but hope to be able to gather some funds for the Cherry Monoblocks sometime this year. :D
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Congrats Tommy! Great recommendation. A good way to start a New Year!
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So you evaluate a prospective amp purchase on the amount of forum traffic or frequency of it's product reviews? :scratch:
Other than suggesting you might want to tie in with Mass. Wine Guy who shares your sentiments, all I've got is good luck with that line of thought. :thumb:
Cheers,
Robin
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Happy new year all! Well, I've been just enjoying my system, fine tuning and experimenting with some non-invasive tweaks like EVS ground enhancers and an inner tube beneath the Cherry Plus. Both have made positive differences in the system, which I'm really enjoying now: increased liquidity, depth, 3D imaging, and lower apparent noise floor from the preamp.
I have some problems at my house, including a VERY close by light rail system that introduces moderately strong vibrations into everything, as well as ambient noise. So, all good from my end, and quiet cuz I'm grooving to the tunes! :thumb:
Wilson
Damn Wilson,been a long time.anyway i enjoy my system so much instead of reading other review from another amp company.i just add a cherry amp and a cherry mono block to my home theater and use the adcom for rear.This thing Rock.and my 3 Front is speakercraft starlet 4.
Happy new year :)
lapsan
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Cherry amps are top of my demo list in the near future. But I gotta say the sluggish rate of reviews and feedback lately has me a bit concerned. Three whole posts for December? Some of the other amp circles seem to be alive and well.
Not trying to be a jerk, but just wondering why such a highly regarded line of amps has had so little audiophile chatter on this forum lately. Why is that? I'm pretty dang excited to demo and hopefully buy one of these puppies and could use some continued thoughts and opinions on these amps.
Same here. I'm not making any judgments about the product based on lack of attention, but I like to get a wide assortment of professional and end user feedback, before taking a leap. I know I know, I could just buy one and try it, and return it if not happy, but I don't like wasting time and effort. It takes time to properly break in a new product, and evaluate it. And there are a lot of products out there I'd like to try. So feedback helps to narrow things down a bit. I've really been hoping for some feedback comparing the latest Spectron to a Cherry amp.
Also I've noticed its really hard doing searches for the name "Digital amp company" or "DAC" because its somewhat of a generic term. I can never turn anything up on Audiogon, searching for "Digital amp company" or "DAC" even though there is feedback and products are listed on the site.
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Same here. I'm not making any judgments about the product based on lack of attention, but I like to get a wide assortment of professional and end user feedback, before taking a leap. I know I know, I could just buy one and try it, and return it if not happy, but I don't like wasting time and effort. It takes time to properly break in a new product, and evaluate it. And there are a lot of products out there I'd like to try. So feedback helps to narrow things down a bit. I've really been hoping for some feedback comparing the latest Spectron to a Cherry amp.
Also I've noticed its really hard doing searches for the name "Digital amp company" or "DAC" because its somewhat of a generic term. I can never turn anything up on Audiogon, searching for "Digital amp company" or "DAC" even though there is feedback and products are listed on the site.
i already wrote the comparison with this amp i bought http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=61729.msg554302#msg554302
i end up selling the spectron amp a couple week later.i compare them when i have both amps on hand .i prefer the DAC 4800a.i sold the 4800a when i upgrade to cherry plus,Now i just aquired a cherry stereo and a cherry mono block for my home theater.Love it.:)
lapsan
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i already wrote the comparison with this amp i bought http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=61729.msg554302#msg554302
i end up selling the spectron amp a couple week later.i compare them when i have both amps on hand .i prefer the DAC 4800a.i sold the 4800a when i upgrade to cherry plus,Now i just aquired a cherry stereo and a cherry mono block for my home theater.Love it.:)
lapsan
What did I miss, I saw no comparison? Was that your Spectron that was sold? If so, did you do a write up somewhere, comparing the two?
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What did I miss, I saw no comparison? Was that your Spectron that was sold? If so, did you do a write up somewhere, comparing the two?
here is part of the write up"after some listening with Spectron amp and DAC 4800A amp, I decided to keep DAC amp. I didn't realize how good this amp is until I have both amps to compare. They're both have a lot power, the mid sound about the same, the separation of the instruments give that to DAC, the high is about right with DAC but Spectron seem a little bright for me. The bass on the DAC is fast and tight."from here http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=88275.0
lapsan
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So you evaluate a prospective amp purchase on the amount of forum traffic or frequency of it's product reviews? :scratch:
Cheers,
Robin
As subjective as this hobby is you wouldn't think I might make an impression about the quality of a product based on forum activity? True, it doesn't necessarily follow that low activity = poor quality. But based on personal experience it can also be true that lack of activity means people don't like or are not all that excited about a product. Thus far what I have seen in this forum is quite compelling and I just want to hear more.
As a clarification from my original post I was more concerned about low forum activity versus professional reviews which have been outstanding. My original question was why is activity so slow for such a well reviewed product? I'll chalk it up to DAC amps being a niche product within a niche on-line industry and hasn't really had enough word-of-mouth yet. Would you agree?
Just to clarify - can't wait to hear one of these! :thumb:
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Happy new year all! Well, I've been just enjoying my system, fine tuning and experimenting with some non-invasive tweaks like EVS ground enhancers and an inner tube beneath the Cherry Plus. Both have made positive differences in the system, which I'm really enjoying now: increased liquidity, depth, 3D imaging, and lower apparent noise floor from the preamp.
I have some problems at my house, including a VERY close by light rail system that introduces moderately strong vibrations into everything, as well as ambient noise. So, all good from my end, and quiet cuz I'm grooving to the tunes! :thumb:
Wilson
Hey, hadn't thought about that one too. An amp and system so refined that your groovin instead of searching for a major equipment change! I want to be there too and am climbing up the hill to join ya. Hoping the Cherry amp will be a high peak for me. Only thing holding me back is funding right now.
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tc - hope you get there too! Maybe Uncle Sam will thank us all with a fat refund this year ... yeah, I'm dreaming.
Thanks for getting this thread rolling.
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Hey Lapsan! Happy new year, long time no hang. Did you get new main speakers? Did I read that correctly: 4 Cherry amps???!!!!
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Hey Lapsan! Happy new year, long time no hang. Did you get new main speakers? Did I read that correctly: 4 Cherry amps???!!!!
just 3 cherry amps,same speakers for the 2 channel,love those sp tech revalation.home theater got a make over tho,alot of inwall now.plus a custom subwoofers is being build ,should be ready by tuesday for pickup.How about you,any change to your system?
lapsan
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Lap,
More bass than your SP Techs???!!!! Sounds like a party :D
Last year, Cherry Jr. was upgraded to the Plus and using an Audio Horizons Transparency power cord (excellent), and narrowed down the preamp choices to just the Juicy Music Peach II, which is bone stock (even the tubes), and I really love it. Really musical.
That's all, pretty simple. Sounds like we need to hear your system after all the dust settles.
Wilson
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tcsubwoofer,
I just read that you recently finished your LS-6 kit. I received my LS-6 kit a few weeks ago. However, I have already had my Cherry Jr. amp since June! I can't wait to try it out with the LS-6's. I'm still waiting on NoRez and then I can build them out. I actually have 3 pairs of LS-6 cabinets and I hope to someday to use all of them powered by Cherry amps in a home theater. This amp really is incredible and I am amazed at how well it handles the bass.
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tcsubwoofer,
I just read that you recently finished your LS-6 kit. I received my LS-6 kit a few weeks ago. However, I have already had my Cherry Jr. amp since June! I can't wait to try it out with the LS-6's. I'm still waiting on NoRez and then I can build them out. I actually have 3 pairs of LS-6 cabinets and I hope to someday to use all of them powered by Cherry amps in a home theater. This amp really is incredible and I am amazed at how well it handles the bass.
:drool: Mojave...that sounds really, really great! I would love to hear an all LS-6 HT system with DAC Cherry amps and that would be stunning. If that setup didn't make tears of audiophile joy come to your eyes I'm not sure anything would.
I will be really keen on your impression of mating the LS-6s with the Cherry Junior. It is looking like the Cherry and Jerry Jr will be in my budget and not so sure about the Cherry Plus right now. I am trying to contain my enthusiasm until after my amp hits a bit higher standard. However, I have to say even with subpar amplification they are nice to listen to. I also want to try the Cherry on my current set of Selah RC-5G speakers that sound forward/bright to me right now and I suspect it might be a bit amp related. Right now I am running them with some Outlaw Audio 2200 monoblocks.
BTW, I saw a pair of LS-6 cabinets up for sale a few weeks back in Colorado Springs. My buddy was envious of my project and I called him up and told him he needed to buy the cabinets and build his own so he did buy the LS-6 cabinets. I drove with him and picked them up with him and I am storing them in my basement since he lives in Dallas and he was in Denver for the holiday. Part of me wants him to back out therefore allowing me to keep these and have another set on hand! Really though I don't have the room for 4 or even 6 of these speakers.
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:drool: Mojave...that sounds really, really great! I would love to hear an all LS-6 HT system with DAC Cherry amps and that would be stunning. If that setup didn't make tears of audiophile joy come to your eyes I'm not sure anything would.
I will be really keen on your impression of mating the LS-6s with the Cherry Junior. It is looking like the Cherry and Jerry Jr will be in my budget and not so sure about the Cherry Plus right now. I am trying to contain my enthusiasm until after my amp hits a bit higher standard. However, I have to say even with subpar amplification they are nice to listen to. I also want to try the Cherry on my current set of Selah RC-5G speakers that sound forward/bright to me right now and I suspect it might be a bit amp related. Right now I am running them with some Outlaw Audio 2200 monoblocks.
BTW, I saw a pair of LS-6 cabinets up for sale a few weeks back in Colorado Springs. My buddy was envious of my project and I called him up and told him he needed to buy the cabinets and build his own so he did buy the LS-6 cabinets. I drove with him and picked them up with him and I am storing them in my basement since he lives in Dallas and he was in Denver for the holiday. Part of me wants him to back out therefore allowing me to keep these and have another set on hand! Really though I don't have the room for 4 or even 6 of these speakers.
I've pretty much narrowed things down to two amps. The Spectron Musician III mk.II and a Cherry Plus. I owned a Musican II, which I upgraded to a pair Channel Islands D200's, and now I'm looking for the next greatest thing. They'll be driving a pair of Selah Audio line arrays, which at this point, I can't even imagine sounding any better. I'll be interested in hearing your impressions of the Cherry amp on your Selah Audio RC-5G's.
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Lapsan
Which model spectron specificly did you own.
I also have sp techs, the continuum 2.5s. Love em
thx
Brett
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Lapsan
Which model spectron specificly did you own.
I also have sp techs, the continuum 2.5s. Love em
thx
Brett
i bought this amp http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=61729.msg554302#msg554302 from david
then i sold a couple week later to ironlion.
lapsan
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I find it very odd that the only posts on Audio Asylum pertaining to Digital Amplifier Company, are the two I made recently, asking if anyone was familiar with or has heard any of their amps. I even included a link to the StereoTimes review. And then the only response I got, was someone making a remark on the color of the faceplate. Why are people so uninquisitive? :scratch:
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In my case, it's only because I would be repeating what I've posted previously. That is, in summary, I'm a happy owner of two Cherry Pluses. Replaced highly regarded tube amps, a Music Reference RM9 Mk II, and Wolcott Presence monoblocks. Main speakers are Merlin VSMs, of somewhat recent vintage, used for two channel music and the mains for home theater. Surround speakers are Merlin TSMs. Will eventually add a fifth channel of Cherry for the center channel Merlin TSM, where it will replace a Bryston 300 WPC monoblock. Don't miss the tubes at all. Never heard the Spectrons so have no comment.
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In my case, it's only because I would be repeating what I've posted previously. That is, in summary, I'm a happy owner of two Cherry Pluses. Replaced highly regarded tube amps, a Music Reference RM9 Mk II, and Wolcott Presence monoblocks. Main speakers are Merlin VSMs, of somewhat recent vintage, used for two channel music and the mains for home theater. Surround speakers are Merlin TSMs. Will eventually add a fifth channel of Cherry for the center channel Merlin TSM, where it will replace a Bryston 300 WPC monoblock. Don't miss the tubes at all. Never heard the Spectrons so have no comment.
I'm still having a hard time understanding, why a product this good, has not generated much interest, on forums like Audio Asylum and elsewhere. Is it the economy, or something else?
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I am not so surprised. I think there are a few things at play. One is I believe the market is changing from 2-channel focus to home theater focus. Another is amplifiers aren't sexy and/or aren't seen to be able to make big leaps in performance. My motivation was not a search for the best sounding amps, but a desire to move away from having to deal with the heat and maintenance of tubes. I saw the DAC amps as giving me what I wanted at a price I was willing to pay. I did not do anywhere near an exhaustive search. Finally, HT and passe componentry come together in what it takes to get reviews from publications. There have been threads on this, even specific to DAC amps. Not all, but many expect advertising. With others it becomes priorities in what they are going to review, and in my opinion, again, I think amps are simply not exciting things for reviewers. I think it's very hard for manufacturers do get reviews done.
That leaves users willing to chime in. After you've posted your input once, I think the expectation is for people to find it in a search, and not repeat it every time someone asks, "What do you think?" Especially if you are happy. And with DAC, with no disrespect and without really knowing, I doubt there is a huge installed base of users to even draw on.
End result, no buzz. Didn't stop me from listening and buying.
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After you've posted your input once, I think the expectation is for people to find it in a search, and not repeat it every time someone asks, "What do you think?" Especially if you are happy. And with DAC, with no disrespect and without really knowing, I doubt there is a huge installed base of users to even draw on.
End result, no buzz. Didn't stop me from listening and buying.
Agree 100%. In my case, I was lucky to borrow a 4800a before committing, and it kicked all other Class D amps that I've heard, both in my system and elsewhere, to the curb. The Cherry Jr. was a step up from the 4800a, likely because of component changes since the 4800a was introduced. You can look at my previous thoughts on the subject in this circle if you haven't already done so. The particular 4800a that I borrowed was Lapsan's, so there is some ability to compare how well even the lowest model performed in multiple systems and setups.
I would also say my search was not exhaustive among all available Class D offerings (only those within a limited price range), and that I have not directly compared in my system, for instance, tube amps to the DAC amps. However, I'm also not feeling a strong need to do so as there is a certain synergy that I feel has been attained among the components I now have.
FWIW, I agree 100% with the characterizations of the DAC amps you can find in the latest reviews of the Jr. and PLUS. What the reviewers heard, I also heard.
Hope that helps. Any other specific questions, I'll try to answer if I think I might contribute something to the discussion.
Wilson
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Agree 100%. In my case, I was lucky to borrow a 4800a before committing, and it kicked all other Class D amps that I've heard, both in my system and elsewhere, to the curb. The Cherry Jr. was a step up from the 4800a, likely because of component changes since the 4800a was introduced. You can look at my previous thoughts on the subject in this circle if you haven't already done so. The particular 4800a that I borrowed was Lapsan's, so there is some ability to compare how well even the lowest model performed in multiple systems and setups.
I would also say my search was not exhaustive among all available Class D offerings (only those within a limited price range), and that I have not directly compared in my system, for instance, tube amps to the DAC amps. However, I'm also not feeling a strong need to do so as there is a certain synergy that I feel has been attained among the components I now have.
FWIW, I agree 100% with the characterizations of the DAC amps you can find in the latest reviews of the Jr. and PLUS. What the reviewers heard, I also heard.
Hope that helps. Any other specific questions, I'll try to answer if I think I might contribute something to the discussion.
Wilson
Can you tell me what other Class D amps you compared the DAC amps to?
Thanks
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Bel Canto S300, Red Wine Audio Signature 30, NuForce Ref 9, Rotel RMB-1077.
Edit: Oops, make that a RWA Sig 30.2 power amp. How quickly we forget...
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If I undrstand correctly (DAC's website), the standard (no customer requested upgrades from Tommy) current 4800A and the standard current Cherry Junior are internally identical. Price is the same. The difference is cosmetics. Classic, conservative black front panel in the 4800A with ability to set stand-by mode by pressing button on front panel, as well as front panel LED performance status lights, which is not the case with the Cherry Junior. Furthermore, if I recall correctly the 4800A is Response Audio's preferred amp for demoing their $3000 -8000 Purity tubed line stages ("Preamps for DAC 4800A and Cherry" thread in this Circle, Reply #4):
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I had the DAC4800 for a while and my partner had the Cherry and 4800A side by side. We were using the Purity Statement balanced linestage and while the Cherry sounded very nice, the 4800 was a beautiful mate. I also used the Purity One with the 4800 using XLR-RCA adapters and the amp was still dead quiet. I really miss having this amp on hand.
I will admit that I was never big on not having tube power but this combination has changed me.
I enjoyed the neutral and dynamic presentation of the 4800 so much that I will be bringing another in for use in evaluation, testing and demo'ing the Purity linestages in our showroom.
Very nice work AD333
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And Bill Baker from Response Audio does also build amps, so he knows his stuff.
To clarify, the 4800a that I demoed was very likely different than the current production. I recall Tommy announcing different iterations of transformer, motherboard and output filters that have been built into that amp since the version that I tried. I had never heard of DAC until Lapsan told me about it, and I was impressed enough with the sound that I purchased the very first Cherry Jr.
My time spent with the Cherry Jr. has been extremely positive - it is a very very nice amp. I'm sure that the current 4800a is too, since they should be sonically identical if all their hardware is the same. I wouldn't hesitate to recommend the DAC amps to anyone.
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Man you DAC Lovers! They do sound good as I've heard it both at Wilson's and Lapsan's!
T
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I'd be curious to see how they compare to my EVS amps. :thumb:
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Big T - happy new year man!
I'd be curious what you think too. You've heard it at my place, but we've got very different setups. Your system is pretty dialed in with the multiple amps - would it be easy to swap in a Cherry?
I'm out all next week, so you could borrow my PLUS if you wanted (if Kirsten doesn't already have party plans while the cat's away).
Or we could wait for Lapsan's new system to be put together and listen then (Lapsan, do you like how I volunteered your system?).
Wilson
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Wilson, we can wait....I'd rather have you guys there for extra set of ears....
Lapsan, are you in?
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Okay, where are you guys? I'd like to come listen too if you wouldn't mind.
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Okay, where are you guys? I'd like to come listen too if you wouldn't mind.
We are in the SF Bay Area in California! You are welcome if you can make it.
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I'm in ,let me know when .my home theater is complete :) :icon_lol:
lapsan
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I'm in ,let me know when .my home theater is complete :) :icon_lol:
lapsan
You still planning on coming by this Saturday for me to fix the cable?
T
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You still planning on coming by this Saturday for me to fix the cable?
T
yes,i will pm you later for you address :)
lapsan
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We are in the SF Bay Area in California! You are welcome if you can make it.
Oh! That's a bit far, but BIG thanks for the invite!
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Oh! That's a bit far, but BIG thanks for the invite!
Hop on a plane! :thumb:
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It's for sure warmer here :green:
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Some interesting discussion going on here. Hope you all don't mind if I sit back and watch unless there's a direct question for me...
-Tommy
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Tommy- Did you see the post about maybe making little integrated or small power amp, call it the--"Maraschino"!!!
Thoughts??? Howdy neighbor!!!
Ed
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I saw a Cherry Amp on Audigon ! I wonder how old it is and if its stock. I did send a question but have not got a reply.
Harrison
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I saw a Cherry Amp on Audigon ! I wonder how old it is and if its stock. I did send a question but have not got a reply.
Harrison
Harrison,
Are you referring to the amp with the 1800w transformer mod? If so, it's nearly new, and has never been shipped. We no longer have the amp that was used in the Affordable Audio review. If you have more questions, please email directly to Support@DigitalAmp.com. Thanks.
-Tommy O
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Tommy- Did you see the post about maybe making little integrated or small power amp, call it the--"Maraschino"!!!
Thoughts??? Howdy neighbor!!!
Ed
Ed,
We're working on it. When are you visiting? Send me a PM...
-Tommy
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Hope you all don't mind. I'll be watching in. Hope to hear more.
I too, am building some LS-6's and am looking for amp/amps to power them.
Ran accross Dac Cherry's by accident 15min ago. Think I was looking at ava insight+ reveiws.
Are they all that??
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Hope you all don't mind. I'll be watching in. Hope to hear more.
I too, am building some LS-6's and am looking for amp/amps to power them.
Ran accross Dac Cherry's by accident 15min ago. Think I was looking at ava insight+ reveiws.
Are they all that??
I received my No Rez last week so I hope to start soon on putting together my LS-6's. I'll let you know how they sound with my Cherry Jr. when I'm done. I don't know if you've read it yet, but the September 2010 edition of Affordable Audio (http://www.affordableaudio.org/Review_Index.html) had a review. I went from an Outlaw 7100 to the Cherry Jr. and it was like upgrading the speakers. The bass control and definition is one thing I really like.
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Very good. Have not started my ls-6's yet. Probably in the spring or summer. They are bare. I'll need to do the no-rez too. Looking for a report/tips. Was considering the tiles and foam that Danny had mentioned. Cheaper
I have an emo. xpa-2. Will be looking for more power in the $1500 to $2500 range. Emo has xpa-1 mono blocks around this. Was looking the tube route but, good power seems to cost.
The Cherry's look and reveiw very well. Very interested. Have to study up.
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i already wrote the comparison with this amp i bought http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=61729.msg554302#msg554302
i end up selling the spectron amp a couple week later.i compare them when i have both amps on hand .i prefer the DAC 4800a.i sold the 4800a when i upgrade to cherry plus,Now i just aquired a cherry stereo and a cherry mono block for my home theater.Love it.:)
lapsan
Hey, I bought the DAC 4800a from lapsan and holy smokes, does this thing rock. Effortless power, yet smooth smooth smooth. I can only imagine what improvements the Cherry series brings. Went to a live show last night, rocking the album at home right now...it's not funny how much better my system sounds better than the "live."
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Hey Doug, did you finish your LS-6 speakers? I am interested in your impressions of the LS-6 with the Cherry amp.
FYI, I built out a pair last December and am getting a Cherry Plus amp in a few days. Can't wait!
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Hey Doug, did you finish your LS-6 speakers? I am interested in your impressions of the LS-6 with the Cherry amp.
FYI, I built out a pair last December and am getting a Cherry Plus amp in a few days. Can't wait!
Well? Any time with your Cherry PLUS yet?
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Tommy, so far so good. One reason I bought this amp was to see how much I could improve a speaker that I haven't really been able to dial in (Selah Audio RC-5G). I've been glacial with equipment upgrades and springing for the Cherry Plus was the next step in getting much better gear to feed the RC-5Gs and GR Research LS-6 speakers since I own both. I am operating on the assumption that the Selah's need better/cleaner power and source material to fly.
I haven't been able to do much serious listening or A/B testing yet since I just got this amp about 3 days ago. So for now and of most interest to me is how much can I improve the sound of my Selah RC-5Gs? I can tell you that from what I've heard so far on the Selahs I have heard improved clarity, improved bass control, and a very slightly sweet presentation which may be that tube characteristic that people applaud the Cherry for. The Cherry Plus is definitely more refined although I haven't heard a dramatic change in any one area. More like several small and medium changes that culminate to a much better sound. As I started to listen to music with the Cherry and I started to relax a bit more with the new sound of the amp and liked what I heard.
Keep in mind these are my initial impressions and I'm waiting for my system to settle down and really listen to the Cherry when I know everything is in place. I am concurrently inserting some new power cables, tubes for my TADAC DAC, getting a modified Hi-Face with USB power regenerator, and converting from Windows 7 to Mac for my music server. Not all have been implemented yet. I can tell you that switching to the Mac and adding the Cherry have definitely made for a better listening experience with the RC-5Gs and this is very important. I'll try to give updates after I've spent more time with the amp.
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Tcsub: what preamp are you running in your system?
Rob S.
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Rob S., using a 2009 TADAC with volume control (http://www.angelfire.com/biz/bizzyb/TADAC.html). I bought this because I wanted to bypass a preamp, have a hybrid DAC, and have XLR out. I also just upgraded the stock tubes on this to 5814 RCA blackplate tubes.
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I bought the reveiwers sample of the Cherry Jr. to go with my LS6's. I think it has a few upgrades on board. The amp is mated with the Dodd gen2 battery preamp.
The amp sounds wonderful with the LS6. I have turned it up past 11. Never had a problem at threshold of pain listening levels. There are some incredible ways that the Cherry handles the LS bass. Mids great highs great. I'll need to do somemore room treatments before I give my final report. My forcast is that the LS6 should have got the biggest powersupply that DAC can offer for the very best in performance.
Ultra Monos! I'm not bashing the Cherry. I don't think I could have done better for the money. I just need more money.
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Interesting thread, getting lots of traffic (started last week, getting close to 3000 views):
http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=131727.0
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Please take a look:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/378044010/mint-maraschino-amp-for-use-with-high-res-players
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Please take a look:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/378044010/mint-maraschino-amp-for-use-with-high-res-players
By popular demand.....
We've added two new rewards:
$1300 - 48V In-Line Maraschino PAIR (5 available)
$2200 - KING 60V In-Line Maraschino PAIR (5 available)
These are full production units. Add $100 and get two pair of locking banana speaker wires. These can be used to hang the In-Line Maraschino from your speakers. Output is up to 800Wpc (KING version)!
Some have said the Maraschino is the "best sounding amp in the world". Hopefully, the MINT Maraschino project will get the word out.
As always, THANK YOU, BACKERS!
p.s. We also added a features list in the text.
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New video (of me):
http://kck.st/1EKKHSt
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If you own 48V Maraschinos, check out the DUAL 60V upgrade deal here:
http://kck.st/1EKKHSt
Check out the "rewards" section.
A little more than 3 days left on the project, so get in before it's too late. Orders from the Kickstarter will be shipped before orders outside the program.
By the way, there's a sweet deal on a pair of demo desktop Maraschinos in there. Only one pair available!
Thanks to Seth for adding the cable deal (see http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=133137.msg1418883#msg1418883)!
-Tommy O
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Only 67 hours for our project!
Please PLEDGE and support the truth:
http://kck.st/1EKKHSt
Lots of super deals as rewards for your support. Thank you!
-Tommy O
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Hello, everyone! With less than 70 hours to go, this is getting extra exciting....
We just corrected the reward listing for the KING 60V MINT Maraschino ($1200). It now INCLUDES the DC_SNAKE cable.
The DC_SNAKE is a super-low-impedance 5-way braided black/red cable (see photo in the storyboard) for connecting our 60V 1kW power supply to a Maraschino amplifier (any Maraschino amplifier, actually). These have 0.2 ohm round-trip resistance. To give you an idea of how much this matters, the standard DC cable that comes with the "non-KING" 60V Maraschino is 1.2 ohms round-trip. The normal price on a DC_SNAKE cable is $150, by the way.
Oh, one more thing.... We added Maraschino performance plots in the storyboard. These show Frequency Response, THD+N versus Frequency at that all-important "first watt" (1Wout), and THD+N versus power into 4 and 8 ohms.
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We may have set the record for fasted funded Sound Project to date. Check it out:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/378044010/dac-dac-ultra-high-performance-d-a-converter
We reached our goal less than 9 hours after launch!
Plenty of rewards left. If you'd like Cherry Amps as your reward for supporting this project, just let us know at Support@DigitalAmp.com.
We plan to add amp and DAC/amp combo rewards soon, based on availability. If you already pledged and want to add amps, no problem, we can do that!
Welcoming $1 pledges just to say "I support you". Backers find out first when new rewards are added, regardless of the pledge amount. Thanks.
-Tommy O
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=133711)
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Our new demos page:
http://www.cherryamp.com/#!demos/c18b0
Any thoughts?
Thanks for taking a look!
-Tommy O
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$200 off STM (pre-buy "reviewer special") and 30% off pretty much everything else (Maraschinos, DAC DACs)!
Send a PM if interested.
Hope you're having a great summer.
Thanks.
-Tommy O
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Maraschino Video Series Kickstarter! Only until May 13th morning (Eastern time). A great selection of rewards including:
Stereo Maraschino
Classic Cherry Motherboard Upgrade (Maraschino Sonics with Much Power)
External Linear Toroidal Power Supply for Maraschino
USB to SPDIF converter
DAC DAC (both HS and TL types)
Golden Cherry
"Megaschino" - Classic Cherry on the outside, Maraschino on the inside
Some surprises you can add later!
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/378044010/maraschino-video-series
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To anyone thinking about your next amp or DAC:
When I had been looking for awhile to step up to something better in an amp, the Maraschino Kickstarter went live. I had read and read, like so many of us, about what was already out there and had been considering options for a long time. Why, then, did I jump on something brand new?
Kickstarter can be a gamble and I, like others, have seen a new venture go under, taking my pledge with it. But coming from a company with a successful product line in production for years, a designer with decades of experience, and a well thought out and clearly communicated plan for expanding into the new offerings, the Maraschino campaign had my attention. The information was direct and actually informative. And the price of entry was a fraction of what I had expected to pay to get the results I was after.
With their fourth Kickstarter now live, Digital Audio Company has demonstrated the commitment and ability to deliver. You don't pay for glossy ads or retail markup. You get decades of experience focused on creating the best sounding product that does exactly what it is designed to do. You also get great service that has stood by me and by others who've shared their stories here.
I have communicated with someone who tried the original version of the Maraschino's and found that in his system and for his tastes he preferred to keep his beloved tube amp in which he has put a great deal of personal sweat equity. He kindly shared that this was only when using a pair of driver tubes that alone cost a good deal more than I paid for the pair of Maraschinos. He has a terrific system that I think most anyone would thoroughly enjoy. The joy of it is, so do I. And reading the professional reviews that are catching up with the products, so do others who have experienced way more equipment than have I and have joined the Digital Audio Company fold.
I highly recommend reading the reviews and especially the interview with Tommy for a refreshingly honest and straightforward discussion of the aims and the means of creating the products he has to offer. If you are interested, contact him. There is a full range of options now available and he will share all of that experience in recommending the best fit for what you are after. This campaign means a great price for you and the means by which Digital Audio Company can expand its range and its reach without the markups. And that is what Audio Circle is all about, bringing together the best fit of business model for the designers to deliver the best fit of products for us.
Best wishes for your listening --
John
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To anyone thinking about your next amp or DAC:
When I had been looking for awhile to step up to something better in an amp, the Maraschino Kickstarter went live. I had read and read, like so many of us, about what was already out there and had been considering options for a long time. Why, then, did I jump on something brand new?
Kickstarter can be a gamble and I, like others, have seen a new venture go under, taking my pledge with it. But coming from a company with a successful product line in production for years, a designer with decades of experience, and a well thought out and clearly communicated plan for expanding into the new offerings, the Maraschino campaign had my attention. The information was direct and actually informative. And the price of entry was a fraction of what I had expected to pay to get the results I was after.
With their fourth Kickstarter now live, Digital Audio Company has demonstrated the commitment and ability to deliver. You don't pay for glossy ads or retail markup. You get decades of experience focused on creating the best sounding product that does exactly what it is designed to do. You also get great service that has stood by me and by others who've shared their stories here.
I have communicated with someone who tried the original version of the Maraschino's and found that in his system and for his tastes he preferred to keep his beloved tube amp in which he has put a great deal of personal sweat equity. He kindly shared that this was only when using a pair of driver tubes that alone cost a good deal more than I paid for the pair of Maraschinos. He has a terrific system that I think most anyone would thoroughly enjoy. The joy of it is, so do I. And reading the professional reviews that are catching up with the products, so do others who have experienced way more equipment than have I and have joined the Digital Audio Company fold.
I highly recommend reading the reviews and especially the interview with Tommy for a refreshingly honest and straightforward discussion of the aims and the means of creating the products he has to offer. If you are interested, contact him. There is a full range of options now available and he will share all of that experience in recommending the best fit for what you are after. This campaign means a great price for you and the means by which Digital Audio Company can expand its range and its reach without the markups. And that is what Audio Circle is all about, bringing together the best fit of business model for the designers to deliver the best fit of products for us.
Best wishes for your listening --
John
John,
Can't thank you enough for your kind post! It's support from friends like you that make it all possible (:
-Tommy
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If Tommy could get by with this, he could sell 10x or more amps. Stick a large dummy tube on top of his mono cherry amps and have them glow like those little red lights do. They sound as good as any tube amp I know of. And they would look so cool.
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If Tommy could get by with this, he could sell 10x or more amps. Stick a large dummy tube on top of his mono cherry amps and have them glow like those little red lights do. They sound as good as any tube amp I know of. And they would look so cool.
Good one! Don't know about 10x the amps, though (:
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So, what's REALLY new? The MEGAschino! Here's some info:
http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=149935.0
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We'll soon be down to 24 hours left....
As rewards, we have amazing deals on:
- Linear Power Supplies for Maraschino amps (new product)
- DAC DAC (TL or HS)
- KING Stereo Maraschino
- MEGAschino and Classic-to-MEGAschino upgrades (new product)
- Golden Cherry (top of the line Maraschino) and Golden Cherry Upgrade (for KING Maraschino owners)
- Maraschino Module Development Kit (new product for OEMs and DIY)
- USB to SPDIF Converter (new product)
- Dual 60V 1kW Maraschino power supply upgrade
- INSIDER White Paper (only $4)
- In-Line Maraschino ("hanging" Cherry)
- KING In-Line Maraschino ("hanging" Cherry)
Here's the link again:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/378044010/maraschino-video-series
DON'T MISS THIS OPPORTUNITY ! Thanks for your support.
-Tommy O