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Audio/Video Gear and Systems => Owner's Circles => Digital Amplifier Company Owners => Topic started by: AmpDesigner333 on 12 Jan 2019, 11:27 pm
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The NAD M27 is 7 channels. The Cherry Amps are 2 channels (also offered in higher powered Monoblocks, same specs otherwise). Cherry MEGA specs based on 1800W transformer and double cap upgrades. The Parasound A51 amp is 5 channels.
Just the specs first.... We can compare other factors later, such as subjective sound quality and price.
Power Output, continuous power per channel into 4Ω, all channels driven
Parasound: 400W
NAD: 180W
Cherry Maraschino Stereo: 400W
Cherry Classic ULTRA Stereo: 675W
Cherry MEGA Stereo: 800W
THD+N, 10W into 8Ω
Parasound: unknown (rated < 0.2 % at full power)
NAD: 0.005%
Cherry Maraschino Stereo: 0.02%
Cherry Classic ULTRA Stereo: 0.005%
Cherry MEGA Stereo: 0.001%
SNR, A-weighted
Parasound: 112dB
NAD: 118dB
Cherry Maraschino Stereo: 120dB
Cherry Classic ULTRA Stereo: 116dB
Cherry MEGA Stereo: 120dB
Damping Factor
Parasound: >1100 at 20Hz only
NAD: >750 at 50Hz-1kHz
Cherry Maraschino Stereo: >400 at 0Hz-1kHz, >300 at 10kHz
Cherry Classic ULTRA Stereo: >180 at 20Hz-1KHz
Cherry MEGA Stereo: >400 at 0Hz-1kHz, >300 at 10kHz
Frequency Response
Parasound: 5Hz to 100kHz (AC coupled)
NAD: 3Hz to 100kHz (AC coupled)
Cherry Maraschino Stereo: 0Hz to 100kHz (DC coupled)
Cherry Classic ULTRA Stereo: 1Hz to 60kHz (AC coupled)
Cherry MEGA Stereo: 0Hz to 150kHz (DC coupled)
Input Impedance
Parasound: 94k
NAD: 47k
Cherry Maraschino Stereo: 40k
Cherry Classic ULTRA Stereo: 20k
Cherry MEGA Stereo: 20k
Input Sensitivity
Parasound: 1.4V
NAD: 1.3V
Cherry Maraschino Stereo: 3.2V
Cherry Classic ULTRA Stereo: 2.4V
Cherry MEGA Stereo: 3.2V
Weight
Parasound: 80 lbs
NAD: 31 lbs
Cherry Maraschino Stereo: <3 lbs
Cherry Classic ULTRA Stereo: 42 lbs
Cherry MEGA Stereo: 42 lbs
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Before we get into prices and sound quality....
Looking for suggestions on 2-ch amp comparisons. Is there a model you'd like me to compare against Cherry Amplifiers?
Thanks.
-Tommy O
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Nuprime Evolution One and your Megaschino. I'm very curious.
Thanks Tommy.
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Nuprime Evolution One and your Megaschino. I'm very curious.
Thanks Tommy.
OK, comparing Cherry MEGA MONO to Nuprime Evolution One. Both are monoblocks....
Power Output, continuous into 4Ω load
Nuprime: 330W
Cherry: 900W
THD+N, 10W into 8Ω
Nuprime: 0.01%
Cherry: 0.001%
SNR, A-weighted
Nuprime: 106dB (rated 91dB at 10W)
Cherry: 120dB
Damping Factor
Nuprime: not stated
Cherry: >400 at 0Hz-1kHz, >300 at 10kHz
Frequency Response
Nuprime: 0Hz to 50kHz (DC coupled)
Cherry: 0Hz to 150kHz (DC coupled)
Input Impedance
Nuprime: 1M
Cherry: 20k
Input Sensitivity
Nuprime: 1.5V
Cherry: 3.2V
Weight
Nuprime: 15 lbs
Cherry: 42 lbs
Idle Power Consumption
Nuprime: 17.4W
Cherry: 20W
Sleep Mode Power Consumption:
Nuprime: 1.6W
Cherry: 8W
AC Fuse
Nuprime: Slow blow, 5A, 250VAC
Cherry: none (15A circuit breaker)
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I’m in Seattle. Where could I hear your amps. I’m about to buy the Nuprime Evo.
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Thanks Tommy. Tech details of Megaschino are looking very fine. Next on my list is the sq. But in The Netherlands that will be a dealbreaker. Evo one will not be the problem but the Megaschino will be a challenge.
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I’m in Seattle. Where could I hear your amps. I’m about to buy the Nuprime Evo.
We offer a 30-day in-home trial period. You can compare a Cherry Amp to the Nuprime in your system! Maybe there are Audio Circle members with Cherry Amps in your area. What Cherry model(s) are you interested in? We have some demos available.... Thanks.
-Tommy O
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I have no Idea! My speakers are KEF 900s. What do you suggest comparable to the Evo?
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Thanks Tommy. Tech details of Megaschino are looking very fine. Next on my list is the sq. But in The Netherlands that will be a dealbreaker. Evo one will not be the problem but the Megaschino will be a challenge.
How about a Stereo Maraschino (STM) or Maraschino Monoblocks (ILM, DTM, or GCM)? Plenty of power, performance, and Sound Quality!
There's a KING STM on Amazon Prime, by the way:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07JGQWLBC/ref=cm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_U_WplpCbRFH7Y4M
I'm not sure about Amazon (the USA faction) shipping to the Netherlands, but we sell direct worldwide, and we have a KING STM demo in stock from a recent upgrade.
(https://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=189081)
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Hi Tommy,
ehh...look at my avatar... those are my speaker: Apogee Full Range. They need a lot of current.
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I have no Idea! My speakers are KEF 900s. What do you suggest comparable to the Evo?
Any KING Maraschino since they use our 1kW 60V power supply. Rated power for 60V Maraschinos is conservatively 400Wpc into 4Ω.
Very nice speakers, by the way! Can you post a photo of your system here?
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Where is your web page?
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Where is your web page?
CherryAmp.com
We also have more than 20,000 likes on Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/DigitalAmpCo/
We run the Truth in AUDIO Facebook group (almost 5000 members):
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1423862904335991/
If interested in demos or looking for information on Cherry Amps, please email Support@DigitalAmp.com.
Sign up for our newsletter here:
https://bit.ly/2FdSR7K
We don't send newsletters out very often. We use them to announce special "newsletter members only" deals and Kickstarter programs.
Thanks.
-Tommy O
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https://hometheaterreview.com/nad-m27-seven-channel-amplifier-reviewed/
What is different on this amplifier, compared with previous NAD products, is the implementation of Class D amplifier technology licensed from Hypex of The Netherlands, from its state-of-the-art nCore line. Hypex is one of several companies that develop Class D amplifiers, but its technologies are the only ones found in notable audiophile products like the Rogue Pharaoh, B&W Zeppelin, and $12,000 Theta Prometheus mono block. The distinction here is that NAD does not purchase Hypex amplifier modules, but rather designs a homegrown amplifier that utilizes Hypex nCore technology through a license agreement.
NAD has implemented some of its own design technologies, too--including the input stage and the switching power supply called PowerDrive--but the Hypex self-oscillating output stage, which is a big portion of the nCore advantage, is utilized.
It must be Hypex NC500 with NAD buffer/input stage.
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https://hometheaterreview.com/nad-m27-seven-channel-amplifier-reviewed/
It must be Hypex NC500 with NAD buffer/input stage.
So it's the same circuitry as yet another pre-fab module amp. Guess they're trying to find new and exciting ways to avoid designing their own amplifier circuits. Doesn't anybody actually design their own amps anymore? That was rhetorical since we know Cherry does, ....and Mark Levinson on their $50,000 amp, although they're now owned by Samsung, so that level of design might be going away there (:
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It is a logical decision. The Hi-Fi and High End market is getting smaller and the prices do not stop going up!
Only great Asian cities are interesting markets and not Europe/NA, that is the true.
People have become accustomed to badly recorded music and low/very low dynamic range that does not need a good equipment to reproduce it (it is even counterproductive).
They do not enjoy music, they only consume it as if it were fast food.
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So it's the same circuitry as yet another pre-fab module amp. Guess they're trying to find new and exciting ways to avoid designing their own amplifier circuits. Doesn't anybody actually design their own amps anymore? That was rhetorical since we know Cherry does, ....and Mark Levinson on their $50,000 amp, although they're now owned by Samsung, so that level of design might be going away there (:
You should know that several companies here on AC do so.
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I have no Idea! My speakers are KEF 900s. What do you suggest comparable to the Evo?
I'm in Seattle. I have Maraschinos in 2 systems, King Monos and STM. You're welcome to come by for a listen.
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Thanks. I’ve sent a pm.
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I'm in Seattle. I have Maraschinos in 2 systems, King Monos and STM. You're welcome to come by for a listen.
That’s very nice of you (:
Thanks!
-Tommy O
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Tommy, I sent you an email. His offer is nice, and quite near, but his speakers are so much better than mine I suspect I’d not hear what I need to hear.
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Tommy, did you receive my email? I’m very interested.
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Tommy, did you receive my email? I’m very interested.
Yes. Will reply soon. Thanks.
-Tommy O
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In theory, amplifiers should have no sound of their own…but in reality, we want them to perform magic…deep bass, big soundstage, sweet highs, etc. And, probably because designers know this…and because their hearing is their hearing, amps do sound different.
My question is simple, is there any reason at any given price point, so let’s say $1500 or $5000, why a well-designed class d amp should sound better than a well-designed class a/b amp? Or, is it really about sound preference…meaning in my room, in my system, listening to my music after a couple of weeks of switching between various amps, I conclude that I PREFER amp X…yet someone else may prefer amp Y... and so even if I’m happy with my Halo, PS Audio, Audio Alchemy…I should try a Bryston, Channel Island or Cherry because I might be even happier?
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In theory, amplifiers should have no sound of their own…but in reality, we want them to perform magic…deep bass, big soundstage, sweet highs, etc. And, probably because designers know this…and because their hearing is their hearing, amps do sound different.
My question is simple, is there any reason at any given price point, so let’s say $1500 or $5000, why a well-designed class d amp should sound better than a well-designed class a/b amp? Or, is it really about sound preference…meaning in my room, in my system, listening to my music after a couple of weeks of switching between various amps, I conclude that I PREFER amp X…yet someone else may prefer amp Y... and so even if I’m happy with my Halo, PS Audio, Audio Alchemy…I should try a Bryston, Channel Island or Cherry because I might be even happier?
My first thought is that the post implies that amps should "sound" the same. But in fact we don't listen to amps, but to speakers or headphones. Transducers are very non-linear, electrically and acoustically, so the result of an amp "filtered" through a transducer will vary a lot.
My experience is that modern well designed amps do sound similar on a given transducer, but the transducers have the final say about what the listener gets to hear.
The prices of suitably "well designed" amps also vary greatly by architecture, with tubes being the priciest to built to a given standard, and newer Class D designs are redefining the value end of the scale, with A/B somewhere in between. So, budgetary concerns play into it as well.
So to me, my Maraschinos sound "as good as" but not "the same as" the $10,000 tube amps I hear, but depending on the transducers and personal taste others may well (and do) judge it differently.
Does chocolate taste as good as vanilla?
Only listening yourself can answer the question, but if you are happy with your sound, relax and enjoy the music.
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Most of us here are addicted. We could have the best sounding amp in the world, but we must try another. That is why we are always searching, trading. I am sure the Marachinos are not the best in the world in amps, but n the Class D realm, they are the best I have ever heard after trying so many.
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In theory, amplifiers should have no sound of their own…but in reality, we want them to perform magic…deep bass, big soundstage, sweet highs, etc. And, probably because designers know this…and because their hearing is their hearing, amps do sound different.
My question is simple, is there any reason at any given price point, so let’s say $1500 or $5000, why a well-designed class d amp should sound better than a well-designed class a/b amp? Or, is it really about sound preference…meaning in my room, in my system, listening to my music after a couple of weeks of switching between various amps, I conclude that I PREFER amp X…yet someone else may prefer amp Y... and so even if I’m happy with my Halo, PS Audio, Audio Alchemy…I should try a Bryston, Channel Island or Cherry because I might be even happier?
Exactly, regarding "amplifiers should have no sound of their own". Steven Stone called the Cherry MEGA "the embodiment of the longstanding audiophile ideal of a straight wire with gain":
https://hometheaterreview.com/digital-amplifier-company-megaschino-power-amplifier-reviewed/
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And yet many would say that after auditioning several well thought of…well spec’s amplifiers in their home systems…there are sonic differences…a little more forward…a little more open…etc., so generally speaking, is this more likely to be the “sound of the amplifier” or the way the amplifier itself is reacting to the preamp and speakers and so we hear those interactions?
I guess the reality is you can’t really know how you will hear/relate to a particular piece of equipment until you live with it at home for a while. One thing I’ve noticed about the Cherry family of amplifiers…unlike most other “brands”, you almost never see the Cherries on the resale market…meaning their owners must love them.
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After having a boutique audio store and being an enthusiast
for over 40 years, I have never heard an amp offer so
much! or better said- so little. Gone are my fav. Class A SS or fine custom
tube SET amps. To boot, the price is extremely reasonable.
Tommy is such a fine person to deal with as well.
Thank you Wind Chaser for your recommendation.
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Most of us here are addicted. We could have the best sounding amp in the world, but we must try another. That is why we are always searching, trading. I am sure the Marachinos are not the best in the world in amps, but n the Class D realm, they are the best I have ever heard after trying so many.
This is so true. I love my Butler amp that I've had for over a decade, but every I love class D tech, and every time I see the specs on these cherry amps I get the urge to spend money. Maggies love power, and they sing even with the 125wpc ICE modules in my Peachtree Nova integrated...I can only imagine how they'd sound with the Cherry products.
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When I consider my system in terms of what I plan to keep and what is slated for an upgrade, everything is on the table except for the Maraschino amps. The purity of these little wonders is astonishing. Unlike all my previous amps including many tube amps, these leave nothing to be desired.
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When I consider my system in terms of what I plan to keep and what is slated for an upgrade, everything is on the table except for the Maraschino amps. The purity of these little wonders is astonishing. Unlike all my previous amps including many tube amps, these leave nothing to be desired.
i kinda have to agree with wind chaser - its challenging to trust your ears - when there is so much noise of naysayers - purity of sound is strictly an ear thing - its like a muscle that has to be developed
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Any other amps worth comparing against Cherry?
Here's a comparison against Parasound Halo JC-1 (now discontinued):
https://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=155295.0
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Any suggestions on amps to compare against the new x-CHerry?
The x-CHerry is a 2-5 channel Maraschino monoblock based amp, 400Wpc into 4Ω.
Here’s our web page for x-CHerry:
https://www.cherryamp.com/5-channel-amp
Maybe the Parasound A51 to start??