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Industry Circles => GR Research => Topic started by: Cheeseboy on 28 Jun 2017, 04:10 am
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If the stars align in the next few days I might be replacing my LS6 Line Source with a pair of Super V. I'm going from the dynamic wall of sound to an intimate sounding speaker system. Bring it on!
I have a Dodd Audio preamp (not passive) Gen 2 with the 6H30DR tube. I'm wondering what amp would be best to power the Super V following the Dodd. What have people used that they liked? What did they not like? I'm thinking I should replace my 380 watt Digital Amplifier Company, Cherry Plus. It commanded the LS6 with authority. I don't think I need the power.
I'm thinking tubes. The Dodd is not your dad's tubed preamp. It is fast and detailed. It's battery powered and noise free. Any suggestions will be considered. What have you used and why.
Steve
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In the summers, I use Folsom's tda 7297 chip amp with my Dodd pre, powering a pair of X-Statik's (and Danny uses the same chip to power many of his designs). Since the Super V bass is covered by the servo amp, a dozen watts should be way more than you need. I'd also consider a EL84 type amp. It's a sweet tube and can get you a 12-15 watts cleanly.
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In the summers, I use Folsom's tda 7297 chip amp with my Dodd pre, powering a pair of X-Statik's (and Danny uses the same chip to power many of his designs).
Currently powering some Spatials with a TPA 3116, I bet that amp works very well with the X-Stats. I wonder if and how it would handle a 3Ω - 100Ω load? How much power at 4 ohms? Any idea as to how it differs from the TPA 3116, esp in terms of SQ?
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You are thinking right when you say less is more. A high quality tube amp will make the Super V shine. I was using a cj LP66S paired with a Tortuga LDR preamp. Now I am running a Line Magnetic 518ia, which is an integrated SET amp. I am very happy with this combo and I think an SET would work well in your situation too.
Shakey
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I'm currently powering my Vs with a Decware Mini Torii. I have a relatively small room (14' x 16' x 9') and the three watts drive the Vs to satisfying levels. I like the the MT has two inputs, individual volume controls and also line level outs (to go to the sub amps). More importantly it runs very cool compared to what it was replacing (monoblock 300b space heaters!).
Highly recommended. If you are looking for something with more power the Torii Jr. is also quite nice.
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The best amp I have heard the Super V's driven by was a pair of 845 tube monoblocks. DeHavilland was the brand.
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Currently powering some Spatials with a TPA 3116, I bet that amp works very well with the X-Stats. I wonder if and how it would handle a 3Ω - 100Ω load? How much power at 4 ohms? Any idea as to how it differs from the TPA 3116, esp in terms of SQ?
There are 42 pages of discussion about this amp. My review is the first post.
http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=138229.0
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If the stars align in the next few days I might be replacing my LS6 Line Source with a pair of Super V. I'm going from the dynamic wall of sound to an intimate sounding speaker system. Bring it on!
I have a Dodd Audio preamp (not passive) Gen 2 with the 6H30DR tube. I'm wondering what amp would be best to power the Super V following the Dodd. What have people used that they liked? What did they not like? I'm thinking I should replace my 380 watt Digital Amplifier Company, Cherry Plus. It commanded the LS6 with authority. I don't think I need the power.
I'm thinking tubes. The Dodd is not your dad's tubed preamp. It is fast and detailed. It's battery powered and noise free. Any suggestions will be considered. What have you used and why.
Steve
Steve, I can recommend a couple of amps that DO NOT work with the Super V's....... :green:
Really, really, really want to try some SET's at some point.
Hope the speaker swap works out for you!
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The best amp I have heard the Super V's driven by was a pair of 845 tube monoblocks. DeHavilland was the brand.
It's hard to beat a pair of 845 monos.
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Steve, I can recommend a couple of amps that DO NOT work with the Super V's....... :green:
Just out of curiosity, what would those be?
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If the stars align in the next few days I might be replacing my LS6 Line Source with a pair of Super V. I'm going from the dynamic wall of sound to an intimate sounding speaker system. Bring it on!
I have a Dodd Audio preamp (not passive) Gen 2 with the 6H30DR tube. I'm wondering what amp would be best to power the Super V following the Dodd. What have people used that they liked? What did they not like? I'm thinking I should replace my 380 watt Digital Amplifier Company, Cherry Plus. It commanded the LS6 with authority. I don't think I need the power.
I'm thinking tubes. The Dodd is not your dad's tubed preamp. It is fast and detailed. It's battery powered and noise free. Any suggestions will be considered. What have you used and why.
Steve
A Dodd if you can find one. If you were in NY I could bring over a 211 based SET [ my personal amp ] to check out as a learning experience. Hugh can help you out as well.
charles
charles
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I used to have an Eddie Vaughn Carina SET amp powering V2's, stupidly I sold it when I stopped using the V2's and deeply regret it.
I'm now using In Line Maraschino's (Tommy O'Brien DAC), I believe the 36V version, to power my Super V's. The Maraschino's are very neutral, compact, inexpensive and a good combo with the Super V's. I've grown out of the constant AB testing always looking for something better, Super V's taught me to relax and enjoy the music. Maraschino's may or may not be the best amps with the Super V's, but they work pretty good
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I have used the Bottlehead Stereomour (2A3) and Kaiju (300B) to drive my V1s, both sounded great. My room is small, in a larger room I suspect the 2A3 could potentially be under powered, however the 300B should work in all but the largest rooms.
Best,
Ed
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This was one of my favorites. It's a 15 watt battery powered tube amp.
(http://gr-research.com/mis/ampandbuffer.jpg)
I could make someone a real deal on it as I am not using it anymore.
It has a different face plate on it now though. And I think Gary put Sonicap Platinum's in it. It sounds really good for sure.
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The best amp I have heard the Super V's driven by was a pair of 845 tube monoblocks. DeHavilland was the brand.
These amps will make many many speakers sound their "best"! :thumb:
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Just out of curiosity, what would those be?
Emotiva XPA-1, Classe CAV150 (Multi channel HT amp). Both have tons of power, but lack what I would call musical intimacy at low volume. Super Vs are so efficient. You need something that excels in the first few watts IMO.
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Emotiva XPA-1, Classe CAV150 (Multi channel HT amp). Both have tons of power, but lack what I would call musical intimacy at low volume. Super Vs are so efficient. You need something that excels in the first few watts IMO.
Emotiva is good for HT. :)
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Roger Modjeski (Music Reference) is making a few different low-power tube amps these day, with "exotic" tubes. He also still offers the RM-10, either in class A/B (35w/ch from a pair of EL84 tubes) or Class A (10w/ch, I think). Good sounding amp, and very stable/trouble free.
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Emotiva is good for HT. :)
Yep. Still would like to try some of your amps for awhile.
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I did a lot of reading today. The TDA7297 sounds like a true bargain. I may buy one and built it out of curiosity. I also read a lot about the Dehavilland 845 and the Melody small 845. My concern about the Dehavilland is the rolled off high end as per several reviews. The midrange and soundstage make it worthwhile. I have heard the Melody small 845 and it has detail and soundstage for days. The front to back the size of a bowling alley. I have to find some cash. Those reveiws led me to the Cary 805C.
Thank you all for getting me started. I have lots more of your comments to research. I do agree with you John. Emotiva is the wrong brand for this outing. Again thank you all. I'll keep reading and posting as I go
Steve
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I didn't hear it with the super-v, but on very efficient Volti horns a few times - there is a Vinnie Rossi LIO in the trading post right now that is a lot of bang for the buck and sounded very good on the high efficiency setups I heard.
Seeing as you have battery power working for you right now (and the Dodd pre to go with it), if it were me I would at least ping Danny for a price on that 15wpc Dodd amp he threw out there; putting those two pieces together just can't go wrong.
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These amps will make many many speakers sound their "best"! :thumb:
Agreed! I now fully understand the term "liquid" when it comes to tube amplification. :drool:
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This was one of my favorites. It's a 15 watt battery powered tube amp.
(http://gr-research.com/mis/ampandbuffer.jpg)
I could make someone a real deal on it as I am not using it anymore.
It has a different face plate on it now though. And I think Gary put Sonicap Platinum's in it. It sounds really good for sure.
What wood finish is on this amp today? My Dodd pre is in coca bolo. Do you have something a bit more refined than the Sonocap? Does this amp have the crossover built in it? What are you asking for it?
Steve.
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I did a lot of reading today. The TDA7297 sounds like a true bargain. I may buy one and built it out of curiosity. I also read a lot about the Dehavilland 845 and the Melody small 845. My concern about the Dehavilland is the rolled off high end as per several reviews. The midrange and soundstage make it worthwhile. I have heard the Melody small 845 and it has detail and soundstage for days. The front to back the size of a bowling alley. I have to find some cash. Those reveiws led me to the Cary 805C.
Thank you all for getting me started. I have lots more of your comments to research. I do agree with you John. Emotiva is the wrong brand for this outing. Again thank you all. I'll keep reading and posting as I go
Steve
My LM amp uses 845 output tubes for 22 watts/channel and is much less expensive than the deHavilland amps. There is a used one on Agon right now.
Shakey
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My LM amp uses 845 output tubes for 22 watts/channel and is much less expensive than the deHavilland amps. There is a used one on Agon right now.
Shakey
Years ago I had a pair of ASL 845 monos. Loved em, one of the best amps I've owned.
Big window into the heart and soul of the performance. I suspect any decent 845 amp will give this quality. Plenty of options.
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What wood finish is on this amp today? My Dodd pre is in coca bolo. Do you have something a bit more refined than the Sonocap? Does this amp have the crossover built in it? What are you asking for it?
Steve.
It's in Quilted Maple.
And it doesn't have standard Sonicaps. It has the Platinum version (I think), and it doesn't get much better than that.
There is no crossover in it.
I'll take $900 for it.
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What wood finish is on this amp today? My Dodd pre is in coca bolo. Do you have something a bit more refined than the Sonocap? Does this amp have the crossover built in it? What are you asking for it?
Steve.
Danny do you still have the Blue colored amps from Dodd. They sounded great at Rocky Mountain.
charles
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Danny do you still have the Blue colored amps from Dodd. They sounded great at Rocky Mountain.
charles
Oh yeah, I have them, a matching pre-amp, and a matching balanced power supply.
(http://gr-research.com/pics/pic1.jpg)
(http://gr-research.com/pics/pic2.jpg)
I might could be talked into selling that system.
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Well then talk the talk and we may walk into them oh my ! Lucie says 5 cents :lol: :lol: :lol: They are sweet looking and sounding.
charles
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Well then talk the talk and we may walk into them oh my ! Lucie says 5 cents :lol: :lol: :lol: They are sweet looking and sounding.
charles
If you are anyone else is serious then shoot me a PM and we'll talk.
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Oh yeah, I have them, a matching pre-amp, and a matching balanced power supply.
(http://gr-research.com/pics/pic1.jpg)
(http://gr-research.com/pics/pic2.jpg)
I might could be talked into selling that system.
Some of the most beautiful amps I have ever seen. They were making magic with the Mockingbird LS-X's for a short time.
(http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=164662)
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My LM amp uses 845 output tubes for 22 watts/channel and is much less expensive than the deHavilland amps. There is a used one on Agon right now.
Shakey
Last night I did tons of study on the Line Magnetic 518. WOW. I gotta hear that. Thank you Shakey One. On paper it looks like the real deal. As I'm sure that it is. Now to find that inside deal.
Last night the purveyor of my musical dream and I came to terms on his Super Vs. As I sit here listening to Graceland on my line source mind sleds I know my audio future will just as fulfilling however different. Off I go to open baffle dreamland.
Steve
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Congrats, Steve! While I haven't heard but a couple of OB speakers, the Super V's are one of the best speakers I've heard period, regardless of design.
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The best amp I have heard the Super V's driven by was a pair of 845 tube monoblocks. DeHavilland was the brand.
JakeJ is talking about my Super V's and I have to agree. At our first get together we ran a few amps thru my system and to me the 845's just had a special sound that I had not heard on my speakers before, liquid is a good word.
With that said Steve, I have read great things about line magnetic amps and the price I understand is a real bargain.
Let us know what you think, I would really like to hear your impressions...
Greg
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Steve
If you remember at Micheal HiFi house we used to used to
Have people bring amps and dacs and preamps almost weekly
Off the top of my the top of head I'll list a few Ncore NC400
Wells imarota BMC. Decware tori mk lll. Melody. 211 Coincident
Frankenstein 300 B with EML tubes Dodd monos
These are the Amps I remember that performed at a very high level
But when they were put up against the Joule Electra VZN 100 monos
They All bowed there Heads because they new they had been Beat
Yes people do sale these every once in a while i don't remember anyone asking
To find better performance they sold because they couldn't deal with the heat
These do a great job as whole house heaters also
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Last night I did tons of study on the Line Magnetic 518. WOW. I gotta hear that. Thank you Shakey One. On paper it looks like the real deal. As I'm sure that it is. Now to find that inside deal.
Last night the purveyor of my musical dream and I came to terms on his Super Vs. As I sit here listening to Graceland on my line source mind sleds I know my audio future will just as fulfilling however different. Off I go to open baffle dreamland.
Steve
There really is something special about this amp. I am very happy with it driving my Super Vs. It does what you expect from an SET, but has dynamics and balls off the chart.
Shakey
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Two available right now, both local to me. Hmmmmmm...... :eyebrows: :thumb:
https://www.audiogon.com/listings/tube-line-magnetic-518-ia-2017-06-25-integrateds
https://www.audiogon.com/listings/tube-line-magnetic-218ia-lm-218ia-22w-set-tube-integrated-amp-2017-06-28-amplifiers
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Took a look at that A'gon ad for the LM and I really like the orange anodized faceplate! As to a rolled off top end with the DeHavillands, I certainly don't remember that on Greg's pair. I'll have to chase down those reviews for myself.
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The one with the silver hammertone finish is purty too! Very tempting, eh sunnydaze?
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The Joule Electra VZN100's were amazing :thumb:
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The one with the silver hammertone finish is purty too! Very tempting, eh sunnydaze?
Indeed....wish my bank account was healthier!
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The Joule Electra VZN100's were amazing :thumb:
I remember when the Joule was fired up with the Super Vs for the first time. The change from the Decaware was profound. They sang so well. It was a match made in heaven.
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Two available right now, both local to me. Hmmmmmm...... :eyebrows: :thumb:
https://www.audiogon.com/listings/tube-line-magnetic-518-ia-2017-06-25-integrateds
https://www.audiogon.com/listings/tube-line-magnetic-218ia-lm-218ia-22w-set-tube-integrated-amp-2017-06-28-amplifiers
The orange one matches the Super Vs. What can I say. Imma a Giants fan.
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I remember when the Joule was fired up with the Super Vs for the first time. The change from the Decaware was profound. They sang so well. It was a match made in heaven.
As far as liquidity is concerned, I have not heard anything that can better the Joule.
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As far as liquidity is concerned, I have not heard anything that can better the Joule.
I have a Joule Electra LA 150 MkII SE and have been tempted at times to try Judd's amps with it. The two concerns with me after reading about them is reliably and heat.
The other issue is service since Judd retired a couple of years ago. Rich at Signature Sound works on the pre amps but he doesn't work on the amps. He did say someone on the West coast does but I didn't get his name.
I don't know how different 845's can sound from each other but man do they sound good to my ears.
Greg
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I have a Joule Electra LA 150 MkII SE and have been tempted at times to try Judd's amps with it. The two concerns with me after reading about them is reliably and heat.
The other issue is service since Judd retired a couple of years ago. Rich at Signature Sound works on the pre amps but he doesn't work on the amps. He did say someone on the West coast does but I didn't get his name.
I don't know how different 845's can sound from each other but man do they sound good to my ears.
Greg
I think it's not that hard to work on the amp at all, given one's experience with tube amps.
I had personally compared my Joule VZN-100 with the best 845 monos from Melody and I still like the Joule with one exception, the heat. :-)
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Hugh's
Melody Line is without a doubt some of most beautiful
And solidly built Tube Amps on the Market today and the fit and finish
Is as good as it gets
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I'll second the Melody 845 amps. Heard them liked them allot. An audition is in order.
charles
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Hugh's
Melody Line is without a doubt some of most beautiful
And solidly built Tube Amps on the Market today and the fit and finish
Is as good as it gets
Hey Rollo and Racer
I couldn't agree with you more. I'm thinking the Melody M845 would be enough. I've heard them and on the Super V they would be perfect. I'm going to have to put together a crowd funding effort as I'm only halfway there in dollars.
Will work for 845 Class A mono blocks.
Hugh can you work a miracle?
Steve
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Steve
If you remember at Micheal HiFi house we used to used to
Have people bring amps and dacs and preamps almost weekly
Off the top of my the top of head I'll list a few Ncore NC400
Wells imarota BMC. Decware tori mk lll. Melody. 211 Coincident
Frankenstein 300 B with EML tubes Dodd monos
These are the Amps I remember that performed at a very high level
But when they were put up against the Joule Electra VZN 100 monos
They All bowed there Heads because they new they had been Beat
Yes people do sale these every once in a while i don't remember anyone asking
To find better performance they sold because they couldn't deal with the heat
These do a great job as whole house heaters also
Michaels house was a hotbed of audio learning and listening for me. Some really great stuff rolled through his home. And those were just the amps.
We don't have central heating. I wonder if I can get financing from Sonoma County Energy Independence for installing a Joules Heating System.
Steve
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Hey Rollo and Racer
I couldn't agree with you more. I'm thinking the Melody M845 would be enough. I've heard them and on the Super V they would be perfect. I'm going to have to put together a crowd funding effort as I'm only halfway there in dollars.
Will work for 845 Class A mono blocks.
Hugh can you work a miracle?
Steve
I could do that for YOU.
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I was able to get the Super V home and up the stairs. These things weigh a ton. I have a long way to go before I can get the system together. So in the meantime does anyone have a guide to hook up using the Rythmic Sub Amps in the Speaker/High level mode? I'm in need of some music right away. I wanna hear these in my house even if there is great need for improvement.
Cheeseboy
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I was able to get the Super V home and up the stairs. These things weigh a ton. I have a long way to go before I can get the system together. So in the meantime does anyone have a guide to hook up using the Rythmic Sub Amps in the Speaker/High level mode? I'm in need of some music right away. I wanna hear these in my house even if there is great need for improvement.
Cheeseboy
Connect the wires you are runnung to the Rythmki amps to the same binding posts you are running to the Super-V's crossover (like bi-wiring). If you amp has more than one pair if binding posts (A and B speakers), DO NOT connect one pair of speaker wires to the A speakers and the second pair of speaker wires to the B speakers. I blew an amp up doing this.
Mike
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http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=140612.0
Purpose built, no heat, no battery, 1.5w of music
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Connect the wires you are runnung to the Rythmki amps to the same binding posts you are running to the Super-V's crossover (like bi-wiring). If you amp has more than one pair if binding posts (A and B speakers), DO NOT connect one pair of speaker wires to the A speakers and the second pair of speaker wires to the B speakers. I blew an amp up doing this.
Mike
I only have one speaker terminal output per channel on my amplifier. So I am stacking two speaker cables on each speaker output terminal on my amplifier. One will go to the sub amp on the high level input and the other to the crossover speaker inputs. Is this correct?
Steve
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I only have one speaker terminal output per channel on my amplifier. So I am stacking two speaker cables on each speaker output terminal on my amplifier. One will go to the sub amp on the high level input and the other to the crossover speaker inputs. Is this correct?
Steve
Steve,
Yep that's how you do it.
Mike
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Thanks Mike.
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Glad you got them home and up those stairs! What did you decide on for the Amp(s)?
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Still kicking around a lot of options. Pass Xa30.8, Melody integrated or monos, Odyssey, other tubed integrateds. There has to be more solid state class A amps in my budget. I'll have to rewire some cables to accommodate Danny's connectors or replace them. I'll need ACCables for the sub amps. This is a major overhaul of my system. I think I'll dump my DSPeaker room correction system. New DAC. I'll be very busy selling off the gear. I'll want a new furniture system.
I'll need a new printer so I can print all the money I'll need to do all of this.
Cheese
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Glad you got them home and up those stairs! What did you decide on for the Amp(s)?
I stacked on the stairs and the speaker landed on my hand. It wasn't pretty. I cut my face and bent my new glasses as well. No one said these weighed so much.
Cheese
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In the end it's all worth it. But those stairs and the hutch!
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It has always been the hutch. You were right from the beginning. It just shuts down the soundstage. Let's chop it up into firewood and burn it when you come on the 5th. Death to Hutchie.
Cheese
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Shakey
Does the Line Magnetic have a line out?
Hugh
Does your AN300 have a line out for sub?
Cheese
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It does not have a line out. But I have found in most cases, using the high level inputs on a subwoofer works best. I tried both ways with my old amp/preamp combo and high level was the clear winner. Such was the case years ago when using a Martin Logan sub with some Green Mountain Audio monitors.
Shakey
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Shakey
Does the Line Magnetic have a line out?
Hugh
Does your AN300 have a line out for sub?
Cheese
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No, it does not.
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I'm going to run in a high level application for a while to get a feel for it. Thanks guys
Cheese
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Any updates Steve?
I attended a little GTG here over the weekend (non AC) and now I'm getting the itch to switch back to my Super V's - but there's still that whole thing of getting an amp that would work better with them. The System I listened to featured an Audio Research VT50 Amplifier, and I have to admit, it sounded pretty good in his setup.
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I'm going to run in a high level application for a while to get a feel for it. Thanks guys
Cheese
Cheese,
How is this working out for you?
Shakey
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I really like my AR Ref 75 SE. A bit of overkill but Audio Research made me an offer I couldn't refuse. 1-5 watts is what the meters typically show. This are on my V1s. Danny was all sold out of SuperV drivers by the time I got around to building mine. No regrets: these are fantastic speakers!
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The bottom end sounds fantastic. In going speaker level in. I received a great birthday present over the weekend. I was given a new pair of Voodoo Cable Mojo AC Cables. Holy Ampacity Batman. The bass is tighter than a Victoria Secret models backside. The low level detail down there is got me double takin almost every song. My best speaker cables are on the Rythmic amps.
My plan is now to switch out the speaker terminals on the Super V to WBTs. I'll use the Blue Jeans cables on the Rythmics and the Voodoo Renaissance Speaker cables on the tweeter mid combo
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The bottom end sounds fantastic. In going speaker level in. I received a great birthday present over the weekend. I was given a new pair of Voodoo Cable Mojo AC Cables. Holy Ampacity Batman. The bass is tighter than a Victoria Secret models backside. The low level detail down there is got me double takin almost every song. My best speaker cables are on the Rythmic amps.
My plan is now to switch out the speaker terminals on the Super V to WBTs. I'll use the Blue Jeans cables on the Rythmics and the Voodoo Renaissance Speaker cables on the tweeter mid combo
If you are swapping out speaker terminals go to the tube connectors. They are easily better than typical binding posts.
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OK Steve -
Any updates? Have you had the chance to experiment or settle on something? :green:
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OK Steve -
Any updates? Have you had the chance to experiment or settle on something? :green:
Bump.
Steve - any updates?